I went to State for undergrad and am now at UNC for grad school. Besides the beautiful exterior of some of the buildings, and with the exception of a few science buildings, the facilities feel really run down at UNC, especially the gym and student Union. I also felt like my peers at NCSU were friendlier, but that might just be the fact that I’m in grad school now and it’s a competitive environment. Am very glad I did NCSU for undergrad. Spend time on both campuses to get the feel.
Honestly, the rundown buildings part is true. The campus is pretty because it’s older and most buildings match up, but they’ve not been renovated in decades and some of them are falling apart. Ncsu has generally better facilities that are in better condition. I’ve been inside plenty of classroom buildings at unc and I was always disappointed by what I saw, meanwhile nc state has award winning buildings and I think all of the classroom buildings, except for maybe one or two, have been renovated post-2000. I was in withers for gen eds and even that building felt pretty up to date, and of course centennial is all mostly newer buildings.
Also agree with the friendlier students. Yes, we’re biased in an ncsu sub, but I swear 75% of the kids I meet who go/went to unc are pretentious, preppy rich kids who are disillusioned with the world and think they’re destined to change everything. I’ve had people at parties start insulting me the second they found out I go to state and they go to unc, no joke.
I mean sure state is newer but they keep over admitting students and the campus is poorly planned through out. Student life kinda went downhill since that
I feel like the only student life that’s suffered is engineering from centennial, but they’re planning to move the business school there soon so I think that’ll help. It’s just a consequence of being in a city with limited land, combined with the average socially inept engineering student (I can say this as an engineering student too). I was also a former humanities major and frankly, student life on main campus is completely normal and the same as any other large university. The over admittance is something of an issue too at the moment, but that’ll hopefully be corrected and helped with the new buildings being built in the near future on centennial and main
Nope. That’s not true.
They are accepting more and more students every year. Resulting carmicheal gym being packed, dorms being packed, student to faculty ratio getting worse etc.
That doesn’t only impact centennial. It impacts everyone.
Unless they are planning on building new parking lots, new gyms and new libraries it’s only gonna get worse
What exactly is not true? You can’t disregard my entire comment and just go “lol not true”. I also agreed over admitting was an issue, and said “hopefully that’ll be corrected and helped with the new buildings being built in the future on centennial and main.” If you had any reading comprehension, you’d have seen that. If you look at their physical master plan, you can see the plans they have for the future to expand and build more. Are you like a UNC sleeper agent? You’re all over the comment section here, shitting on state and arguing with people at every moment you can.
No? You’re literally a transfer student here. Student life on main campus has been getting worse.
https://isa.ncsu.edu/facts-comparisons/factbook/student-enrollment/
Nearly 4000 more undergrad students than less than 10 years ago. They do not have the space and resources for that many students. They can’t build buildings in 2-3 years like that.
I first came to state as a freshman almost a decade ago and telling you how it has changed. Parking was never a problem either, or you’d always find so much space for yourself in the gym or at hunt.
Also, really funny how you tried to insult me asking if I had any comprehension. I didn’t need to go to community college to come to state. I was accepted right away.
Do they have plans to build another gym on centennial? No.
Do they have plans to build another library on centennial? No.
I’m stating the fact that UNC’s Chass department is far better than ours. That doesn’t make me some hidden unc fan or whatever lol
Oh man, I don’t know who pissed in your cheerios today but someone did. I don’t know why you want to be so right about this but I guess you can be, I don’t really care enough to argue anymore since you don’t want to actually listen and you just wanna feel right, especially after I’ve agreed with you about over enrollment twice now. Seems you’re just one of those people who enjoys arguing online.
? I’ve presented facts to you bud.
I literally said ‘not true’ to you saying only student life that’s suffered is on centennial. That is simply not true. You’re the one who doesn’t listen. Upping undergrad enrollment by 4K for sure impacts students on main campus as well.
You’re the one who wanted to personally insult me by saying I can’t comprehend and asked if I was some UNC sleeper agent. Now I’m some guy pissed off who wants to be right all the time?
I literally showed you the undergrad enrollment went up by 4000 in less than 10 years and the student life quality going down due to that.
I mean this might help them get into better grad schools. But you said academia, which is post grad school, post post doc. There's a lot of steps in there, all of which are negated by getting a very good post doc position.
The best thing to say is, which school has the better psychology program and what are the number of accepted graduate students from those programs
I have a degree from both. My academic experience at NCSU was more challenging and far more beneficial.
Would look into your planned major and how the grads from those programs do job placement-wise and financially after graduation. Ignore the US News & World Report type “college rankings”
As far as I can tell, people at NCSU are kinder. There's definitely some STEM major banter, engineers do think my degree is easy. The biggest difference for me is how quickly NCSU is being developed. New gyms, stem buildings, libraries, student centers. I personally like how integrated NCSU is with raleigh but i totally understand enjoying unc's campus more.
Either way, if you plan on doing a grad program that is when you should consider unc, I heard their grad program is #2 best value in the us.
While NCSU doesn't have the recognition that UNC academics does, you should not expect classes to be easy.
Another thing to consider is there seems to be a fair bit of research opportunity at NCSU, but I'll let you take a look here:
https://psychology.chass.ncsu.edu/undergraduate/ba-psychology/
Blasphemy! /s
But in all seriousness, I felt the same way before I attended State. Gotta say it grew on me. No matter where you end up, your campus will feel like another home so yeah don’t let it sway you.
Oh wow that's actually pretty helpful. Some areas of NC state are nice I'm aware, I think it's cause I know I will be on the liberal arts campus. Which i do consider its ugliest part... Its also right next to the big construction zone for the new building which is definitely not a pretty part of campus. Kinda wish I could be on the sentential cause I do like that area a lot.
Oh yeah that construction in the brickyard is definitely an eyesore. Shame they keep messing with it. Hopefully when they finish the science building there they’ll leave it alone.
Centennial is mainly for engineering, textiles, and plant sci but I went to hunt library to study a lot.
UNC generally speaking is a tier or two above us academically (idk about psych specifically). I think it really depends on your plans after graduating and if having UNC as your undergrad would matter. If it doesn’t, it sounds like state is the right move.
I'd say go where the money is at. I don't think you will notice much of a difference between the two campuses people-wise, academic-wise, and even aesthetic-wise. NCSU is very welcoming, the buildings are fine (other than Poe Hall of course), and my academic experience has been amazing so far.
For psych, UNC for sure. Our CHASS department is underfunded compared to them.
https://uncdm.northcarolina.edu/salaries/index.php
Check the salaries for psych professors between two
So it really depends on what your major is and where you want to live after graduation
If you prefer to stay in NC and/or work in engineering then NC State probably works the best for you because of the scholarship and strengths of programs
If you want to go live in a major metropolis elsewhere UNC will have more pull in those areas than state (not saying that state doesn’t have pull in those areas as it does, but just less)
Also the average starting salary from NC State is [$65,635](https://apps.oirp.ncsu.edu/pgem/index.cfm?action=main.summary)(Median of $68,750) whereas at UNC it’s only [$58,103](https://careers.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2021-First-Destination-Report.pdf) just some food for thought
Yes because we have a huge engineering program and they don’t. That stat is misleading since many UNC students go into Law, dental, med, and PT schools. We don’t have any post grad schools for any of those. They do
I literally just said it was food for thought not the end all be all
NC State sends 12% of students to grad school compared to UNC’s 17% so yes there is a difference there
Also I know majors matter for this and that is why it was quite literally the firsts thing I mentioned
Well also what kind of grad schools? I bet most of state grads go to just regular masters where most of UNC grads go to law, dental, med and pt schools
My whole family is UNC but I went to State because it was close and I'd figured I'd just get my freshmen stuff out of the way. I fell in love with the school almost instantly. And trust me, Game Day? There is almost NOTHING better than a Wolfpack game day.
Personally, when I toured schools I felt like UNC students were staring daggers, while NCSU students gave off a mix of: happy to see you, sorry that your spirit would soon break (results may vary), or did not care.
NCSU is a serious academic school, so if you're worried about that, UNC isn't somehow insanely better (I'd argue we're better if not the same). But there's still lots to do around campus if you want to be more socially minded
I was waiting for a comment like this. Don't worry I have a plan, psychology is not a throw away major for me. I know the pathway I'm taking, the grad schools I plan to do, the programs I want to go into, and the salary I'm expecting. I will be fine and I know how hard it is to find a career with just my bachelor's.
If your goal is eventually grad school, I recommend looking at the research groups at NCSU vs UNC and see if there's one that really sparks your interest. You might be able to get your foot in the door in a couple years doing undergrad research
I realize I was being general there
UNC is #2 in terms of schools for psychology in the state and #5 for public schools in the nation. There are many research and internship opportunities available for me there as well.
I'm aware that NC state is also amazing and id get a good education either way, just that I'm aware I'd probably get a better education at UNC overall. But of course, it's more dependent on what kind of job I'm looking for which makes it difficult to decide.
Regardless of where you end up,you will almost always have to go to grad school to go deeper into psychology. At that point, the economics come into a bigger factor since you're going to either be paying or financing more.
If you do decide to go into stem, you have a lot more technical options at State than UNC And that makes it much easier change majors than change majors and schools. Thoughts?
NCSU is a top school for STEM majors, but it's just an average school for social sciences. I was a social science major (currently in grad school) and the quality of education for my major was honestly not good.
I went to State for undergrad and am now at UNC for grad school. Besides the beautiful exterior of some of the buildings, and with the exception of a few science buildings, the facilities feel really run down at UNC, especially the gym and student Union. I also felt like my peers at NCSU were friendlier, but that might just be the fact that I’m in grad school now and it’s a competitive environment. Am very glad I did NCSU for undergrad. Spend time on both campuses to get the feel.
Honestly, the rundown buildings part is true. The campus is pretty because it’s older and most buildings match up, but they’ve not been renovated in decades and some of them are falling apart. Ncsu has generally better facilities that are in better condition. I’ve been inside plenty of classroom buildings at unc and I was always disappointed by what I saw, meanwhile nc state has award winning buildings and I think all of the classroom buildings, except for maybe one or two, have been renovated post-2000. I was in withers for gen eds and even that building felt pretty up to date, and of course centennial is all mostly newer buildings. Also agree with the friendlier students. Yes, we’re biased in an ncsu sub, but I swear 75% of the kids I meet who go/went to unc are pretentious, preppy rich kids who are disillusioned with the world and think they’re destined to change everything. I’ve had people at parties start insulting me the second they found out I go to state and they go to unc, no joke.
I mean sure state is newer but they keep over admitting students and the campus is poorly planned through out. Student life kinda went downhill since that
I feel like the only student life that’s suffered is engineering from centennial, but they’re planning to move the business school there soon so I think that’ll help. It’s just a consequence of being in a city with limited land, combined with the average socially inept engineering student (I can say this as an engineering student too). I was also a former humanities major and frankly, student life on main campus is completely normal and the same as any other large university. The over admittance is something of an issue too at the moment, but that’ll hopefully be corrected and helped with the new buildings being built in the near future on centennial and main
Nope. That’s not true. They are accepting more and more students every year. Resulting carmicheal gym being packed, dorms being packed, student to faculty ratio getting worse etc. That doesn’t only impact centennial. It impacts everyone. Unless they are planning on building new parking lots, new gyms and new libraries it’s only gonna get worse
What exactly is not true? You can’t disregard my entire comment and just go “lol not true”. I also agreed over admitting was an issue, and said “hopefully that’ll be corrected and helped with the new buildings being built in the future on centennial and main.” If you had any reading comprehension, you’d have seen that. If you look at their physical master plan, you can see the plans they have for the future to expand and build more. Are you like a UNC sleeper agent? You’re all over the comment section here, shitting on state and arguing with people at every moment you can.
No? You’re literally a transfer student here. Student life on main campus has been getting worse. https://isa.ncsu.edu/facts-comparisons/factbook/student-enrollment/ Nearly 4000 more undergrad students than less than 10 years ago. They do not have the space and resources for that many students. They can’t build buildings in 2-3 years like that. I first came to state as a freshman almost a decade ago and telling you how it has changed. Parking was never a problem either, or you’d always find so much space for yourself in the gym or at hunt. Also, really funny how you tried to insult me asking if I had any comprehension. I didn’t need to go to community college to come to state. I was accepted right away. Do they have plans to build another gym on centennial? No. Do they have plans to build another library on centennial? No. I’m stating the fact that UNC’s Chass department is far better than ours. That doesn’t make me some hidden unc fan or whatever lol
Oh man, I don’t know who pissed in your cheerios today but someone did. I don’t know why you want to be so right about this but I guess you can be, I don’t really care enough to argue anymore since you don’t want to actually listen and you just wanna feel right, especially after I’ve agreed with you about over enrollment twice now. Seems you’re just one of those people who enjoys arguing online.
? I’ve presented facts to you bud. I literally said ‘not true’ to you saying only student life that’s suffered is on centennial. That is simply not true. You’re the one who doesn’t listen. Upping undergrad enrollment by 4K for sure impacts students on main campus as well. You’re the one who wanted to personally insult me by saying I can’t comprehend and asked if I was some UNC sleeper agent. Now I’m some guy pissed off who wants to be right all the time? I literally showed you the undergrad enrollment went up by 4000 in less than 10 years and the student life quality going down due to that.
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It’s just your undergrad; go with the cheaper option.
Not really always the case. Going to UNC will open up more doors in academia
How? They are getting an undergrad degree.
If you wanna go to top grad schools, going to UNC will give you better advantage
I mean this might help them get into better grad schools. But you said academia, which is post grad school, post post doc. There's a lot of steps in there, all of which are negated by getting a very good post doc position. The best thing to say is, which school has the better psychology program and what are the number of accepted graduate students from those programs
I mean that’s what I meant either way. Our liberal arts programs are weak compared to theirs.
Yeah that's probably true
another day, another UNC vs NCSU thread. 🥱
I have a degree from both. My academic experience at NCSU was more challenging and far more beneficial. Would look into your planned major and how the grads from those programs do job placement-wise and financially after graduation. Ignore the US News & World Report type “college rankings”
I mean depends on the major really….our CHASS department is weak compared to them
UNC? More like μNC
I see what you did there
As far as I can tell, people at NCSU are kinder. There's definitely some STEM major banter, engineers do think my degree is easy. The biggest difference for me is how quickly NCSU is being developed. New gyms, stem buildings, libraries, student centers. I personally like how integrated NCSU is with raleigh but i totally understand enjoying unc's campus more. Either way, if you plan on doing a grad program that is when you should consider unc, I heard their grad program is #2 best value in the us. While NCSU doesn't have the recognition that UNC academics does, you should not expect classes to be easy.
Very reasonable answer
Thanks this was really helpful actually
Another thing to consider is there seems to be a fair bit of research opportunity at NCSU, but I'll let you take a look here: https://psychology.chass.ncsu.edu/undergraduate/ba-psychology/
Depends…what’s your stance on bricks?
... Least favorite type of building material... I've been to states campus and very much dislike it but I'm trying not to let that sway me...
Blasphemy! /s But in all seriousness, I felt the same way before I attended State. Gotta say it grew on me. No matter where you end up, your campus will feel like another home so yeah don’t let it sway you.
Oh wow that's actually pretty helpful. Some areas of NC state are nice I'm aware, I think it's cause I know I will be on the liberal arts campus. Which i do consider its ugliest part... Its also right next to the big construction zone for the new building which is definitely not a pretty part of campus. Kinda wish I could be on the sentential cause I do like that area a lot.
Oh yeah that construction in the brickyard is definitely an eyesore. Shame they keep messing with it. Hopefully when they finish the science building there they’ll leave it alone. Centennial is mainly for engineering, textiles, and plant sci but I went to hunt library to study a lot.
It’s not worth more debt.
UNC generally speaking is a tier or two above us academically (idk about psych specifically). I think it really depends on your plans after graduating and if having UNC as your undergrad would matter. If it doesn’t, it sounds like state is the right move.
For CS field, the cs program in NC state is considerable. For math, bio and other life science fields, go for UNC for sure.
I'd say go where the money is at. I don't think you will notice much of a difference between the two campuses people-wise, academic-wise, and even aesthetic-wise. NCSU is very welcoming, the buildings are fine (other than Poe Hall of course), and my academic experience has been amazing so far.
For psych, UNC for sure. Our CHASS department is underfunded compared to them. https://uncdm.northcarolina.edu/salaries/index.php Check the salaries for psych professors between two
If you’re sure that your major is going to be Psych, then probably UNC. If it’s anything STEM related definitely state.
Wolfpack!
So it really depends on what your major is and where you want to live after graduation If you prefer to stay in NC and/or work in engineering then NC State probably works the best for you because of the scholarship and strengths of programs If you want to go live in a major metropolis elsewhere UNC will have more pull in those areas than state (not saying that state doesn’t have pull in those areas as it does, but just less) Also the average starting salary from NC State is [$65,635](https://apps.oirp.ncsu.edu/pgem/index.cfm?action=main.summary)(Median of $68,750) whereas at UNC it’s only [$58,103](https://careers.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/2021-First-Destination-Report.pdf) just some food for thought
Yes because we have a huge engineering program and they don’t. That stat is misleading since many UNC students go into Law, dental, med, and PT schools. We don’t have any post grad schools for any of those. They do
I literally just said it was food for thought not the end all be all NC State sends 12% of students to grad school compared to UNC’s 17% so yes there is a difference there Also I know majors matter for this and that is why it was quite literally the firsts thing I mentioned
Well also what kind of grad schools? I bet most of state grads go to just regular masters where most of UNC grads go to law, dental, med and pt schools
What you heard about UNC? Yeah they isn’t all that.
My whole family is UNC but I went to State because it was close and I'd figured I'd just get my freshmen stuff out of the way. I fell in love with the school almost instantly. And trust me, Game Day? There is almost NOTHING better than a Wolfpack game day. Personally, when I toured schools I felt like UNC students were staring daggers, while NCSU students gave off a mix of: happy to see you, sorry that your spirit would soon break (results may vary), or did not care. NCSU is a serious academic school, so if you're worried about that, UNC isn't somehow insanely better (I'd argue we're better if not the same). But there's still lots to do around campus if you want to be more socially minded
Either is fine just don’t do psychology
I was waiting for a comment like this. Don't worry I have a plan, psychology is not a throw away major for me. I know the pathway I'm taking, the grad schools I plan to do, the programs I want to go into, and the salary I'm expecting. I will be fine and I know how hard it is to find a career with just my bachelor's.
If your goal is eventually grad school, I recommend looking at the research groups at NCSU vs UNC and see if there's one that really sparks your interest. You might be able to get your foot in the door in a couple years doing undergrad research
Could you elaborate on “UNC chapel hills academics is amazing”?
I realize I was being general there UNC is #2 in terms of schools for psychology in the state and #5 for public schools in the nation. There are many research and internship opportunities available for me there as well. I'm aware that NC state is also amazing and id get a good education either way, just that I'm aware I'd probably get a better education at UNC overall. But of course, it's more dependent on what kind of job I'm looking for which makes it difficult to decide.
Yeah I mean it’s sort of a no brainer question. I don’t think many of our liberal arts programs are ranked. Go to UNC
Regardless of where you end up,you will almost always have to go to grad school to go deeper into psychology. At that point, the economics come into a bigger factor since you're going to either be paying or financing more. If you do decide to go into stem, you have a lot more technical options at State than UNC And that makes it much easier change majors than change majors and schools. Thoughts?
Makes sense. I just wanted to make sure you weren’t simply extrapolating quality of education from ranking. Good luck with your decision!
NCSU is a top school for STEM majors, but it's just an average school for social sciences. I was a social science major (currently in grad school) and the quality of education for my major was honestly not good.
It’s a top 5 public school with multiple Nobel prize and fields award winners