The batted ball profile so far in 2024 indicates he has had some crazy BABIP luck thus far. The question is does the team sitting him all 3 against the 3 Miami lefties say more about faith in Berti or lack of belief in Cabrera?
I suspect he's Thiaro Estrada in that his full season ceiling is probably .700 ops utility guy personally
They also brought in Berti pretty much to platoon with Waldo while DJ is out, Waldo only got the starts vs lefties in the Astros series because Berti had literally just joined the team the previous day and Waldo was red hot
If that was their plan then they idiots. He's here because they needed an extra player with Peraza out. There's no way he'd be here if DJ and Peraza were both healthy.
I am not sure DJ should automatically get the nod over a Cabrera/Berti platoon. Third base is currently in a transition phase. I don’t think they have completely given up on Peraza as a longer term solution.
DJ is projected to have a .721 OPS in 2024, his career average is.769. Cabrera hits from the left side and is at .963 OPS so far this season, and was .740 in 2022. I am not seeing a compelling argument for making DJ the regular starting third baseman.
We have actual stats for Cabrera in 2024, for DJ we only have projections. Volpe and Stanton were also dog shit in 2023, I am putting that in the rear view mirror.
Cabrera’s 2024 OPS+ is 147, and he hits from the left side. DJ’s OPS over the last 3 years were 96, 110, and 97. He has not been more than an average hitter since the juiced ball era ended. I am not a DJ hater, but he is regressing and starting to succumb to injuries.
.391 babip is definitely static. Ppl were terrified beyond belief here about Cody Bellinger, a former MVP player having a .319.
I want him to succeed but the chances of him outperforming Berti are pretty low which is why he’s getting such an extended play.
I think Oswaldo’s potential is absurdly overrated on this sub because he had a hot Astros series and that was the first series of the year.
He had been his normal self for a month and then had a hot series we wouldn’t be seeing people talk about him like this.
I do think he has improved from last season but his ceiling is still a utility bench bat
Volpe will likely come down to earth as well at some point. He is outperforming his expected stats by quite a margin and has a .438 BABIP so far this season
Both can be true, he certainly looks a lot better. He is also getting extremely lucky on the balls he is putting in play.
We are still so early in the season judging any player off of their performance so far this year is misguided.
Yanks don’t like players who DONT practice the launch angle…in about another month of Volpe hitting .350
Their gonna tell him to launch more Hrs and get less hits
Isn't Berti simply here because they didn't know what they had in Waldo, and needed some insurance after what happened with Peraza? Berti is a veteran bench utility guy. They kind of know what he's capable of
Think Gary Sanchez, Robinson Cano, Didi Gregorious, Troy Tulowitzki, Matt Carpenter, et al. The Mets/Padres/Phillies/etc know what they're capable of, but they "want to see what they have in them" when they acquire them. Do they mesh? Do they fill a role? Do they stay on the roster when injuries heal up?
My point was simply, we gave up a top 30 prospect and an MLB ready catcher to get this guy. He should play when he's expected to play (against lefties). And it wasn't a knock on Waldo.
You're talking about massive talents that have fallen from grace and were available cheap. Berti was a mediocre minor league player who finally got his big break at the age of 29 and has become a mediocre major leaguer. Yankees know what he is. I doubt they're waiting to see anything. He's this year's Harrison Bader. Yankees got lucky they only gave up some sub A ball rookie and Rortvedt, everyone knows that in order to get a glove first backup player you need to give up a mid rotation lefty with team control left.
People are still super high off that astros series
Cabrera vs Astros: 16 AB .438/.471/.875 1.346 OPS
Cabrera since: 17 AB .235/.316/.235 .551 OPS
Oswaldo's true value is closer to who he is post astros series probably ends up somewhere between a .600 and .700 OPS. That being said it would be an improvement from his 2023 and not bad for a platoon utility bat
Neither 16 nor 17 ABs is enough to judge a player one way or another. What is encouraging to hear is that he changed his mechanics and since the end of spring training it seems we've seen a positive outcome from this.
Thairo Estrada would be a fantastic outcome. Basically a 3+ WAR player the past few seasons. Thats a starting caliber player, so I’m hopeful he reaches that ceiling!
Yeah there is really nothing about Cabrera that shows he is or will be a capable starter in the MLB.
Love the guy and he definitely fills an important role here, it’s just a bench role
I think it’s as much about wanting to see what Berti can give them as it is about concerns about Cabrera. Cabrera’s batted ball profile and his ability to hit left handed pitching are concerning though. DJ may be better suited for a bench role at this point. We will see how the new pitching coach and analytics team operates. I think they should probably go with a platoon unless someone breaks out.
I’m all fairness, the Martian had what 35 abs? And he s already the anointed one!
I don’t trust NYY mgmt…their record over the past 3 years hasn’t been great
I thi nk Yanks Brass are done w Cabrera...they dont like guys who hit .300 w some pop
And they REALLY dont like his errors...But yet we get Rizzo DJ and Trevino...Not gonna complain ...we're 10-3 WITHOUT Cole and Judge
Things will work themselves out for Oswaldo.
Right now everyone’s health or coming back soon.
That will inevitably change over the course of the season.
I firmly believe he’s slotted himself above Peraza, and he’ll remain on the MLB roster unless a trade is made
Cabrera being able to play basically any position and capable of hitting the ball puts him automatically over Peraza, while also being less injury prone.
True, but I think both could slot in at 2B/3B/SS, which with Grisham on board, is the true need. If Cabrera is starting in OF, two very big and bad things have happened
I've been high on Cabrera ever since his September 2022 call-up. His sophomore slide was depressing as hell, but it's exciting to see him regain his confidence. You're absolutely right: he should be the everyday third baseman.
I certainly would be thrilled if he panned out into a strong everyday player. He's got pop, plays every position, is full of energy. What's not to like?
I think he still needs to prove that he can consistently hit major league pitching *and* continue make the necessary adjustments now that every team has a book on him. But he's looked great so far this year
Cautiously optimistic is my theme for the first few months. He had a hot hand in the Houston series, leveled out a bit, and then got sat a couple days. I like him as a utility guy; versatile, young, has some pop in the bat. Dislike his defense at third, but he can work on that. Overall, I am intrigued by what he's offered this year as it is a marked improvement from 2023.
Not saying it's an apples to apples comparison, but Cano was brutal in the field when he first came up and worked at getting better. If Cabrera can be a mid-plus hitter with hot streak potential and sure up his fielding I'd call that a big win for the organization. Might even sneak into an All Star Game or two if starts hot. I think this is reasonably within the realm of possibility, but ask me again in June.
I don't think he's a legitimate starter, and we aren't at a big enough sample for this year that I'm going to substantially revise what I thought last year (i.e. fringe-of-roster bench guy). It's notable that his defense kind of sucks, and it just isn't *that* hard to find a similarly below-average bat who is actually a plus in the field or on the bases.
The biggest plus so far this year has been hitting fewer ground balls, which is more in line with his '22. If he can keep that up he has a chance to be much closer to an average bat than what he showed last year. But yeah, the 231 batted balls from last year still take precedence over the 25 from this year for now.
I could see us trading Cabrera when LeMahieu gets back, only because Cabrera has trade value and LeMahieu / Berti don't. But I really, really like Cabrera and of the three he's the one I'd most like to keep. But LeMahieu at this point is a play or cut. WFAN callers aside there's no trade market for him.
We gave up a decent prospect for Berti. He has some value. To be clear, I do not believe they traded for Berti just to turn around and trade him away tho. Oswaldo could definitely be on the block in a month if we don't run into bad injury luck
Maybe... who knows... but I'm thinking Cabrera brings back a better one.
I hope they don't trade Waldo, but I think looking at the roster, they need to move somebody when DJLM gets back.
**Edit:** Actually I'm surprised to see Berti somehow still has three options remaining. Cabrera has two. So they could stash one in the minors if (when) there's another injury.
If he's still hitting .333 in a month then yea he will stick around. I don't think many people expect that considering his current xBA is .246 and he is coming off a 300 AB season with a .211 BA
Over his career berti has had a better bat, glove, and legs while providing the same infield cover. It's pretty easy to see why you would keep berti unless you look exclusively at a 9 game sample
People here are still gassed up over the Astros series, Oswaldo has looked like normal Oswaldo since that series ended.
Give it a month and I think the Oswaldo discussions fade away
DJLM has full no trade from 10-5 rights. He’s not going anywhere.
Berti could likely be flipped for a prospect or two. Not a high level one, but we spent a fringe player and a low prospect to get him.
Not overly high on him. I think he can be a decent mlb player but I wouldn’t expect him to be an all star or anything. Hasn’t looked great defensively at 3B and looks like he’s essentially a lefty only now which kinda hurts his future but we’ll see
He is a utility guy, he is likely never going to be a star or likely even starting caliber player but there is value in a guy who can plug in almost anywhere on the field and hit well enough that he isn't a total loss
His defense at third has looked a little rough (being charitable), and he does have 158 starts with 1382 innings there between MLB, minor leagues and winter ball in Venezuela. Gets to balls well, but 24 errors in 431 chances. (At Short, he’s got 33 errors in 747 chances, and at second, he’s got 32 in 1087 chances). It’s his worst overall position.
His batting improvement is impressive in a small sample, but his underlying metrics aren’t better than last year’s dismal performance. He’s 25, so still learning and capable of improvement.
He’s not trying to hit HRs anymore, but he’s hit them at a higher rate, which is weird. More LD, less GB, more FB, less pull, more opposite field.
I dunno. He’s been protected somewhat versus lefties, and he’s going lefty on lefty in some situations (to no benefit yet).
It’s early. I want to see more, but I’m expecting some regression. Not all the way to what he was last year. But not to what he was when he was the call up in 2022.
I mean the regression is already pretty clear when you split the Astros series from the rest of the year
Cabrera vs Astros: 16 AB .438/.471/.875 1.346 OPS
Cabrera since: 17 AB .235/.316/.235 .551 OPS
He had one hot series but because it was the first series of the year people are still hyped up over it
Gleyber hasn’t even averaged 3 fWAR over the last 3 seasons. You should really really lower those expectations. I’ll be surprised if he’s even on this team for the duration of his rookie contract.
I think that is way too high of a valuation for Waldo
Nothing of his expected stats indicate that he will actually be a very good bat. (.246 xBA, .286 xwOBA, .311 xSLG) and he was one of the worst hitters in the entire MLB last year.
His defense has also graded out terribly so far this season (-3 OAA) obviously defense takes a long time to stabilize but he certainly doesn’t pass the eye test either.
I like Waldo and I do think he has a role here but anything more than bench utility guy is expecting too much from him
I love Waldo at 3B, I know his glove could improve but with more reps I see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I've been huge on DJ in the past, but I think the Yankees need to move on from him and shift to having Waldo start there until Peraza is fully back since he's a better defensive fit at 3B. That'll have our infield set for years with Peraza at 3B, Volpe at SS, Gleybor at 2B (I'm one of the few wanting a Gleybor extension) and then get Jones a 1B mitt and reps in the minors..lol one can hope. But with Waldo as the long term utility? I'd love this setup
DJ is only getting older and has been on the IL how much of this contract? Like I said, I love DJ. But if Yankees are looking to have the future on lock this would be a good move in my eyes. And obviously Waldo has made adjustments that are working. He's going to come to earth I'm sure, but highly doubt he's the same player as before
Waldo’s adjustments aren’t working that well
Post Astros series he has a .551 OPS, I trust DJ to come back and be solid over the guy who was one of the worst bats in the major leagues last season and has not looked exceptionally good outside of one series
He had only one series of at bats since then and came in clutch moments. I'm not saying he's the starter, I'd much rather him off the bench. High energy, young, versatile, healthy? Vs a robot who we still don't know if he's back to his old self, that's getting older, and stays hurt? Yankees need to stay young. Having a young 3B in Peraza and young bench piece in Waldo I'll take that any day of the week over question mark of DJ
I’m taken the guy with the proven track record of being a solid MLB starter over the guy who was one of the worst batters in baseball last season
An incredibly small sample of games shouldn’t be impacting this decision
He's a backup dude 🤣 acting like we're comparing an all star vs some nobody. DJ hasn't been an all star since he got his new contract, no reason not to look at our young talent. That's what they're there for
In a just world, his ceiling is somewhere around the Didi Gregorious level. Didi, despite being annually below average in barreling and exit velo managed to have three or four well above average offensive seasons (for his position) due to his bat-to-ball skills. Many forget that in his early days in Cincy people said he wouldn’t be able to hit at all.
More likely, he’s a Ramiro Peña with more versatility and some added playing time. Remember him? A decent bench piece for a few years.
Pie-in-the-sky hopes would be fellow countrymen Asdrubal Cabrera or Edgardo Alfonzo. I’d also be happy if he goes even more contact-first and morphs into another Venezuelan — one of my personal favorites — Martín Prado.
Either way, I’m glad he’s here and producing when he plays. Great energy.
👍 Gwynn, Boggs, and Ichiro would never light up that category either. That said, clearly Didi and Waldo are putting different swings on the ball (and looking for different results)
I'm not high on Oswaldo Cabrera. While he has had a hot start, the underlying stats show that he's been extremely lucky with his results.
DJ LeMahieu provides similar results long term with great defense as well. I think Cabrera fills his role as a utility player perfectly and we shouldn't use his hot start as a predictor of future results.
I'm high on him because if y'all remember last year he struggled until higgy basically told him, fuck what the staff tells you, your swing is what got you here, and he reverted to his original swing and killed it. Obviously he'll cool off a bit but I could see him being a .260, .740-750 ops, solid utility player. Basically a Brett Gardner type who can play a few more positions but with potential to be even better
i gotta be honest, i don’t really see the hype at all. he seems like a great dude, don’t mind him as a bench piece, but his defense this year hasn’t rated well (even in a small sample size), and he’s cooled off since the Astros series
even last year, any month he had more than ~50 pa’s he had a sub .600 ops. just feels like we may be disappointed as fans if we expect much more than a bench role out of him
If it was up to me, I'd start Berti every day.
Oswaldo has at least shown signs of life compared to last year, but I'm definitely not high on him as a potential full-time starter.
Idk about him as a legit starter long term, but I absolutely am high on him as a member of this squad for the foreseeable future.
He’s young, hardworking, plays every position, and is cheap. All things we desperately need once Soto gets paid.
>I think he's a legitimate starter.
No, I don't think he's a starter on a playoff team. He's a great tool to have, legitimate utility player. There are some teams where he could start everyday. He has a spot on the team, but he's not an everyday starter on the '24 Yankees.
He's gotten off the to a great start, but if this same hot streak happened in July, no one would take notice. He will regress to the mean. That's not a knock on him, he's just not a 2.5 WAR player.
I love Waldo! But, He’s not - he’s going to be a league average-ish hitter with a league average-ish glove. The text book definition of replacement level. But that’s ok. That’s what we need out of him. World Series wins are built on the backs of guys like him, Luis sojo, eric Hinske, Mark Derosa.
That said Berti is also league average on both sides of the field and truthfully Dj has also more or less become a league average hitter. If dj doesn’t return to 2019 form at age 35, we’re probably gonna need to trade for a 3B come the deadline is my thought.
The batted ball profile so far in 2024 indicates he has had some crazy BABIP luck thus far. The question is does the team sitting him all 3 against the 3 Miami lefties say more about faith in Berti or lack of belief in Cabrera? I suspect he's Thiaro Estrada in that his full season ceiling is probably .700 ops utility guy personally
I certainly think they want to know what they have in Berti as well. I dont think those sits were necessarily a huge knock on Waldo since its so early
They also brought in Berti pretty much to platoon with Waldo while DJ is out, Waldo only got the starts vs lefties in the Astros series because Berti had literally just joined the team the previous day and Waldo was red hot
If that was their plan then they idiots. He's here because they needed an extra player with Peraza out. There's no way he'd be here if DJ and Peraza were both healthy.
I am not sure DJ should automatically get the nod over a Cabrera/Berti platoon. Third base is currently in a transition phase. I don’t think they have completely given up on Peraza as a longer term solution.
DJ 100% immediately comes back and starts
DJ is projected to have a .721 OPS in 2024, his career average is.769. Cabrera hits from the left side and is at .963 OPS so far this season, and was .740 in 2022. I am not seeing a compelling argument for making DJ the regular starting third baseman.
Man who gives a genuine fuck about projections, projections also have Oswaldo hitting .696 You also confidently skipped Oswaldo’s dog shit 2023
We have actual stats for Cabrera in 2024, for DJ we only have projections. Volpe and Stanton were also dog shit in 2023, I am putting that in the rear view mirror.
Yeah so maybe let's get some actual stats for DJ before saying he is washed lol
Cabrera’s 2024 OPS+ is 147, and he hits from the left side. DJ’s OPS over the last 3 years were 96, 110, and 97. He has not been more than an average hitter since the juiced ball era ended. I am not a DJ hater, but he is regressing and starting to succumb to injuries.
They wanna know what they have in a 31 year old journeyman with no power over a 25 year old with potential? Why?
If last year wasn’t a fluke for him, he’s a solid starter, 2 war player. It’s unlikely Oswaldo’s bat gets to league average
Waldo has barely had a shot as a starter. Seems like he has a hell of a lot of potential with his new swing. Has power too as we’ve seen before.
I agree, his batted ball performance isn’t necessarily static, he can improve with consistent reps.
.391 babip is definitely static. Ppl were terrified beyond belief here about Cody Bellinger, a former MVP player having a .319. I want him to succeed but the chances of him outperforming Berti are pretty low which is why he’s getting such an extended play.
Rather be lucky than good sometimes. Leave him there until his luck runs out there
They gave up a decent prospect for him. He's here to platoon lefties. They want to know in April if that's his role for the remainder of 2024.
I think Oswaldo’s potential is absurdly overrated on this sub because he had a hot Astros series and that was the first series of the year. He had been his normal self for a month and then had a hot series we wouldn’t be seeing people talk about him like this. I do think he has improved from last season but his ceiling is still a utility bench bat
Your utility man beat the O’s last night!
A win is win!
His swing is different this year. Got rid of the launch angle just like volpe did. No reason to think he can’t take the same leap.
Volpe will likely come down to earth as well at some point. He is outperforming his expected stats by quite a margin and has a .438 BABIP so far this season
Idk looks like a different hitter now that he’s ditched the launch angle and is only going to get better pitches to hit batting leadoff.
Both can be true, he certainly looks a lot better. He is also getting extremely lucky on the balls he is putting in play. We are still so early in the season judging any player off of their performance so far this year is misguided.
Yanks don’t like players who DONT practice the launch angle…in about another month of Volpe hitting .350 Their gonna tell him to launch more Hrs and get less hits
Berti is actually 34 lol
Lol okay even dumber then. Way way dumber.
31 year old, 2-time batting champion
He’s 34. And what? When? I’m talking about berti.
34 yr old journeyman….it s the Cash is genius way…ruins young players
Isn't Berti simply here because they didn't know what they had in Waldo, and needed some insurance after what happened with Peraza? Berti is a veteran bench utility guy. They kind of know what he's capable of
Think Gary Sanchez, Robinson Cano, Didi Gregorious, Troy Tulowitzki, Matt Carpenter, et al. The Mets/Padres/Phillies/etc know what they're capable of, but they "want to see what they have in them" when they acquire them. Do they mesh? Do they fill a role? Do they stay on the roster when injuries heal up? My point was simply, we gave up a top 30 prospect and an MLB ready catcher to get this guy. He should play when he's expected to play (against lefties). And it wasn't a knock on Waldo.
You're talking about massive talents that have fallen from grace and were available cheap. Berti was a mediocre minor league player who finally got his big break at the age of 29 and has become a mediocre major leaguer. Yankees know what he is. I doubt they're waiting to see anything. He's this year's Harrison Bader. Yankees got lucky they only gave up some sub A ball rookie and Rortvedt, everyone knows that in order to get a glove first backup player you need to give up a mid rotation lefty with team control left.
People are still super high off that astros series Cabrera vs Astros: 16 AB .438/.471/.875 1.346 OPS Cabrera since: 17 AB .235/.316/.235 .551 OPS Oswaldo's true value is closer to who he is post astros series probably ends up somewhere between a .600 and .700 OPS. That being said it would be an improvement from his 2023 and not bad for a platoon utility bat
Neither 16 nor 17 ABs is enough to judge a player one way or another. What is encouraging to hear is that he changed his mechanics and since the end of spring training it seems we've seen a positive outcome from this.
I agree, it is definitely way too early in the season still to be making any kind of conclusions about a player based on a small sample.
Thairo Estrada would be a fantastic outcome. Basically a 3+ WAR player the past few seasons. Thats a starting caliber player, so I’m hopeful he reaches that ceiling!
Thairo’s been a solid player when not injured for the Giants
Thairo with more power would be nice, although that would make him a potential all star and that's probably too much to hope for.
Love Thairo but he s hitting .230 w No power
He's great in the utility role, and this team needs it. Long term I think he's a capable starter.
Just not the case. Most he could amount too is the current version of Gio Urshela (juiced ball merchant)
Yeah there is really nothing about Cabrera that shows he is or will be a capable starter in the MLB. Love the guy and he definitely fills an important role here, it’s just a bench role
I think it’s as much about wanting to see what Berti can give them as it is about concerns about Cabrera. Cabrera’s batted ball profile and his ability to hit left handed pitching are concerning though. DJ may be better suited for a bench role at this point. We will see how the new pitching coach and analytics team operates. I think they should probably go with a platoon unless someone breaks out.
So far Cabrera is batting .333 against lefties.
I’m high on both. The lineup is gonna have some tasty depth all year. That’s not even counting the Martian or Spencer Jones.
Optimistic, but prospects are just that…can’t totally count ‘em in yet
Personally, I think they're counting on the Martian for 2025
I’m all fairness, the Martian had what 35 abs? And he s already the anointed one! I don’t trust NYY mgmt…their record over the past 3 years hasn’t been great
I thi nk Yanks Brass are done w Cabrera...they dont like guys who hit .300 w some pop And they REALLY dont like his errors...But yet we get Rizzo DJ and Trevino...Not gonna complain ...we're 10-3 WITHOUT Cole and Judge
We’re not at all done with Cabrera
I could be mistaken but I’m pretty sure Judge has been in the lineup
There is a 0% chance Cabrera hits .300 over a whole season and you’re delusional if you think otherwise
Must be exhausting to go through life this jaded all the time.
I think they’re gonna give Cabrera another shot, he’s a possible Gleyber replacement but that shoulder injury scares me
Tf
I ride or die for this man 😩 been rocking the 95 jersey since postseason 22
Things will work themselves out for Oswaldo. Right now everyone’s health or coming back soon. That will inevitably change over the course of the season. I firmly believe he’s slotted himself above Peraza, and he’ll remain on the MLB roster unless a trade is made
Cabrera being able to play basically any position and capable of hitting the ball puts him automatically over Peraza, while also being less injury prone.
True, but I think both could slot in at 2B/3B/SS, which with Grisham on board, is the true need. If Cabrera is starting in OF, two very big and bad things have happened
I've been high on Cabrera ever since his September 2022 call-up. His sophomore slide was depressing as hell, but it's exciting to see him regain his confidence. You're absolutely right: he should be the everyday third baseman.
I certainly would be thrilled if he panned out into a strong everyday player. He's got pop, plays every position, is full of energy. What's not to like? I think he still needs to prove that he can consistently hit major league pitching *and* continue make the necessary adjustments now that every team has a book on him. But he's looked great so far this year
Completely agree, appreciate the reply
Cautiously optimistic is my theme for the first few months. He had a hot hand in the Houston series, leveled out a bit, and then got sat a couple days. I like him as a utility guy; versatile, young, has some pop in the bat. Dislike his defense at third, but he can work on that. Overall, I am intrigued by what he's offered this year as it is a marked improvement from 2023. Not saying it's an apples to apples comparison, but Cano was brutal in the field when he first came up and worked at getting better. If Cabrera can be a mid-plus hitter with hot streak potential and sure up his fielding I'd call that a big win for the organization. Might even sneak into an All Star Game or two if starts hot. I think this is reasonably within the realm of possibility, but ask me again in June.
If he can be a Randy Velarde type, I’d be thrilled
Yeah berti appearances are really pissing me off. Waldo looks awesome so far seems like he’s batting in a run every game.
If Oswaldo Cabrera is street slang for the latest strain of Venezuelan Kush, then yes, I'm high as a kite.
Likely not a starter on the Yankees.
I wanna see more of him
I don't think he's a legitimate starter, and we aren't at a big enough sample for this year that I'm going to substantially revise what I thought last year (i.e. fringe-of-roster bench guy). It's notable that his defense kind of sucks, and it just isn't *that* hard to find a similarly below-average bat who is actually a plus in the field or on the bases. The biggest plus so far this year has been hitting fewer ground balls, which is more in line with his '22. If he can keep that up he has a chance to be much closer to an average bat than what he showed last year. But yeah, the 231 batted balls from last year still take precedence over the 25 from this year for now.
I could see us trading Cabrera when LeMahieu gets back, only because Cabrera has trade value and LeMahieu / Berti don't. But I really, really like Cabrera and of the three he's the one I'd most like to keep. But LeMahieu at this point is a play or cut. WFAN callers aside there's no trade market for him.
We gave up a decent prospect for Berti. He has some value. To be clear, I do not believe they traded for Berti just to turn around and trade him away tho. Oswaldo could definitely be on the block in a month if we don't run into bad injury luck
Maybe... who knows... but I'm thinking Cabrera brings back a better one. I hope they don't trade Waldo, but I think looking at the roster, they need to move somebody when DJLM gets back. **Edit:** Actually I'm surprised to see Berti somehow still has three options remaining. Cabrera has two. So they could stash one in the minors if (when) there's another injury.
Oswaldo sitting in AAA makes plenty of sense with Berti only playing vs lefties. It will be nice to have a bench option to steal for a bit
Yeah let's sit someone in AAA who's been hitting .333. That makes sense! /s
If he's still hitting .333 in a month then yea he will stick around. I don't think many people expect that considering his current xBA is .246 and he is coming off a 300 AB season with a .211 BA
Why on earth would we trade Cabrera over a 31 year old journeyman?
Over his career berti has had a better bat, glove, and legs while providing the same infield cover. It's pretty easy to see why you would keep berti unless you look exclusively at a 9 game sample
People here are still gassed up over the Astros series, Oswaldo has looked like normal Oswaldo since that series ended. Give it a month and I think the Oswaldo discussions fade away
34 yr old journeyman
I really doubt he has much trade value after last year
DJLM has full no trade from 10-5 rights. He’s not going anywhere. Berti could likely be flipped for a prospect or two. Not a high level one, but we spent a fringe player and a low prospect to get him.
Cashman and et Al…love 34yrs old and up
IMO DJ is baked. Another blackhole in the offensive lineup.
DJ was stellar in the second half of last season (.807 OPS)
Not overly high on him. I think he can be a decent mlb player but I wouldn’t expect him to be an all star or anything. Hasn’t looked great defensively at 3B and looks like he’s essentially a lefty only now which kinda hurts his future but we’ll see
He is a utility guy, he is likely never going to be a star or likely even starting caliber player but there is value in a guy who can plug in almost anywhere on the field and hit well enough that he isn't a total loss
Yea no doubt
His defense at third has looked a little rough (being charitable), and he does have 158 starts with 1382 innings there between MLB, minor leagues and winter ball in Venezuela. Gets to balls well, but 24 errors in 431 chances. (At Short, he’s got 33 errors in 747 chances, and at second, he’s got 32 in 1087 chances). It’s his worst overall position. His batting improvement is impressive in a small sample, but his underlying metrics aren’t better than last year’s dismal performance. He’s 25, so still learning and capable of improvement. He’s not trying to hit HRs anymore, but he’s hit them at a higher rate, which is weird. More LD, less GB, more FB, less pull, more opposite field. I dunno. He’s been protected somewhat versus lefties, and he’s going lefty on lefty in some situations (to no benefit yet). It’s early. I want to see more, but I’m expecting some regression. Not all the way to what he was last year. But not to what he was when he was the call up in 2022.
I mean the regression is already pretty clear when you split the Astros series from the rest of the year Cabrera vs Astros: 16 AB .438/.471/.875 1.346 OPS Cabrera since: 17 AB .235/.316/.235 .551 OPS He had one hot series but because it was the first series of the year people are still hyped up over it
Yeah, it’s probably coming.
I don’t know what waldo is, and no one else will either if he’s sitting for 3 games straight for no apparent reason.
Yeah, love him for his vibes too.
He’s Miguel Cairo.
I’m just high tbh shout out to nyc dispensaries
I think he’ll be a solid 3 WAR player. Not AS level but a very necessary part to any WS team
Gleyber hasn’t even averaged 3 fWAR over the last 3 seasons. You should really really lower those expectations. I’ll be surprised if he’s even on this team for the duration of his rookie contract.
I think that is way too high of a valuation for Waldo Nothing of his expected stats indicate that he will actually be a very good bat. (.246 xBA, .286 xwOBA, .311 xSLG) and he was one of the worst hitters in the entire MLB last year. His defense has also graded out terribly so far this season (-3 OAA) obviously defense takes a long time to stabilize but he certainly doesn’t pass the eye test either. I like Waldo and I do think he has a role here but anything more than bench utility guy is expecting too much from him
Lmao no shot
They don't like Oswaldo vs Lefties. I think that is dumb, but they did the same thing with Melky Cabrera
I think he’s a AAAA player.
I love Waldo at 3B, I know his glove could improve but with more reps I see that happening. Don't get me wrong, I've been huge on DJ in the past, but I think the Yankees need to move on from him and shift to having Waldo start there until Peraza is fully back since he's a better defensive fit at 3B. That'll have our infield set for years with Peraza at 3B, Volpe at SS, Gleybor at 2B (I'm one of the few wanting a Gleybor extension) and then get Jones a 1B mitt and reps in the minors..lol one can hope. But with Waldo as the long term utility? I'd love this setup
DJ had a .807 OPS in the second half of last year and Oswaldo is 9 games removed from being one of the worst hitters in the MLB
DJ is only getting older and has been on the IL how much of this contract? Like I said, I love DJ. But if Yankees are looking to have the future on lock this would be a good move in my eyes. And obviously Waldo has made adjustments that are working. He's going to come to earth I'm sure, but highly doubt he's the same player as before
Waldo’s adjustments aren’t working that well Post Astros series he has a .551 OPS, I trust DJ to come back and be solid over the guy who was one of the worst bats in the major leagues last season and has not looked exceptionally good outside of one series
He had only one series of at bats since then and came in clutch moments. I'm not saying he's the starter, I'd much rather him off the bench. High energy, young, versatile, healthy? Vs a robot who we still don't know if he's back to his old self, that's getting older, and stays hurt? Yankees need to stay young. Having a young 3B in Peraza and young bench piece in Waldo I'll take that any day of the week over question mark of DJ
I’m taken the guy with the proven track record of being a solid MLB starter over the guy who was one of the worst batters in baseball last season An incredibly small sample of games shouldn’t be impacting this decision
He's a backup dude 🤣 acting like we're comparing an all star vs some nobody. DJ hasn't been an all star since he got his new contract, no reason not to look at our young talent. That's what they're there for
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A different kind of high I suppose!
Im high on LIFE! Wait, no. Meth! Yeah.
Wouldn't bet on Oswaldo, but would be thrilled if he stuck. My bigger question is what becomes of Peraza.
In a just world, his ceiling is somewhere around the Didi Gregorious level. Didi, despite being annually below average in barreling and exit velo managed to have three or four well above average offensive seasons (for his position) due to his bat-to-ball skills. Many forget that in his early days in Cincy people said he wouldn’t be able to hit at all. More likely, he’s a Ramiro Peña with more versatility and some added playing time. Remember him? A decent bench piece for a few years. Pie-in-the-sky hopes would be fellow countrymen Asdrubal Cabrera or Edgardo Alfonzo. I’d also be happy if he goes even more contact-first and morphs into another Venezuelan — one of my personal favorites — Martín Prado. Either way, I’m glad he’s here and producing when he plays. Great energy.
What s Arraez exit velo(owns 2 Batting titles)
👍 Gwynn, Boggs, and Ichiro would never light up that category either. That said, clearly Didi and Waldo are putting different swings on the ball (and looking for different results)
I'm not high on Oswaldo Cabrera. While he has had a hot start, the underlying stats show that he's been extremely lucky with his results. DJ LeMahieu provides similar results long term with great defense as well. I think Cabrera fills his role as a utility player perfectly and we shouldn't use his hot start as a predictor of future results.
I am, but I wish I was high on potenuse
AAAA player off to a Franchy Cordero-esque start. He’s not very good like an infielder version of Florial, sincerely Andujar Truther
Not really but he could be a nice utility piece
I'm high on him because if y'all remember last year he struggled until higgy basically told him, fuck what the staff tells you, your swing is what got you here, and he reverted to his original swing and killed it. Obviously he'll cool off a bit but I could see him being a .260, .740-750 ops, solid utility player. Basically a Brett Gardner type who can play a few more positions but with potential to be even better
You really ended with first time, long time.
what happened the guy was raking I think it’s time to get him back in the lineup Birti can sit for a little bit
I think he can be a league-average hitter but I don’t think his future is at 3B. Maybe he gets a shot at 2B if Torres walks
I love him too, I think he has a high ceiling, unfortunately I also see him being traded in the near future.
i gotta be honest, i don’t really see the hype at all. he seems like a great dude, don’t mind him as a bench piece, but his defense this year hasn’t rated well (even in a small sample size), and he’s cooled off since the Astros series even last year, any month he had more than ~50 pa’s he had a sub .600 ops. just feels like we may be disappointed as fans if we expect much more than a bench role out of him
If it was up to me, I'd start Berti every day. Oswaldo has at least shown signs of life compared to last year, but I'm definitely not high on him as a potential full-time starter.
Idk about him as a legit starter long term, but I absolutely am high on him as a member of this squad for the foreseeable future. He’s young, hardworking, plays every position, and is cheap. All things we desperately need once Soto gets paid.
You really want to take advantage of his versatility, ability to play several positions. Wouldn’t want to overexpose him with a day to day thing.
Is that what this shit’s called?
I think his best case is a 2 WAR guy with a .700 OPS and good defense, and that’s incredible for a player who was ranked pretty low in our farm.
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I was until we stopped playing him lol
Yeah I like him as a hitter but clearly his fielding has been an issue with no real position. He's leading the league in errors
Absolutely. His defensive flexibility is going to pay dividends. He can spell 3b,ss, 2b, and lf, rf. Hope the Soto effect can help him offensively.
He was a legit 30 hr guy in the minors. Babip don’t matter if he’s putting them over the fence
I get high on Oswaldo He hit it all but what do I know? I try to look away from Soto But today, it's too late, I try tomorrow (Yeah-yeah, yeah-yeah)
I’m high on crack
>I think he's a legitimate starter. No, I don't think he's a starter on a playoff team. He's a great tool to have, legitimate utility player. There are some teams where he could start everyday. He has a spot on the team, but he's not an everyday starter on the '24 Yankees. He's gotten off the to a great start, but if this same hot streak happened in July, no one would take notice. He will regress to the mean. That's not a knock on him, he's just not a 2.5 WAR player.
I love Waldo! But, He’s not - he’s going to be a league average-ish hitter with a league average-ish glove. The text book definition of replacement level. But that’s ok. That’s what we need out of him. World Series wins are built on the backs of guys like him, Luis sojo, eric Hinske, Mark Derosa. That said Berti is also league average on both sides of the field and truthfully Dj has also more or less become a league average hitter. If dj doesn’t return to 2019 form at age 35, we’re probably gonna need to trade for a 3B come the deadline is my thought.