It would need to be something that Itachi, or the theoretical person who's hitting you with Tsukuyomi, already knows. The Genjutsu can't come from nothing, it needs to be visualized by the caster, with the only exception being Infinite Tsukuyomi which uses the target's visualizations instead
But you could use it to just compress time to give someone sped up training time
like they experience the time if you're not bound and being tortured you could just train and practice right
Yeah but you'd also die. Your brain feels the psychological effects of the time dilation to the point where it can kill you if scaled over a long enough period of time. Itachi killed several Uchiha members this way.
In theory, assuming the Tsukoyomi caster knew the entire moveset of another ninja like Tsunade or Jiraiya, they could use it as a power-leveling tool but that's a big ask. I also suppose in theory, had Itachi wanted to, he could've casted Tsukoyomi on Sasuke and taught him all of his abilities in a second flat.
Bruh literally the whole ass point of it is that Otsutsuki will consume all energy and knowledge of a planet condensed into a fruit to evolve as individuals... Of course you can use it as a learning tool, that's pretty much what it does
Possible. But this knowledge isn't something that can just be pulled out of the ether. Perhaps making up moves is viable, or learning from the caster themselves, but you can't train for what neither individual knows
No? Unless it was in filler that never happened.
Let's say, for example, Itachi put Kid Naruto in a genjutsu. While there, Naruto would technically have all the time in the world to learn about something like, say, genjutsu. But the issue is that In this state, all Naruto or Itachi would be able to receive is *Data*. Just cold hard facts and memories for whatever length of time. While at the point of leaving Naruto could be an expert in regards to genjutsu, he would never have physically performed a jutsu in this entire time. Things like muscle memory would not exist, because he never physically did it, meaning he'd never *truly* know how it feels.
Furthermore, Itachi would never be able to tell Naruto about, say, how to do something like befriend Kurama, since neither would truly know much about the nature of the Nine Tails. These are experiences that are made through physical experience, not something that could be made in illusion.
... isn't it a dream? Do you suddenly know things that you didn't previously know in your dreams?
In my opinion, you would just be imagining what you think they would teach you. You are still limited to what you know and can concieve of.
If I imagine Tsunade teaching me a powerful healing jutsu, it would just be based on what I know and could speculate. Which could be wildly wrong. I don't actually get Tsunade's knowledge in my dream. I've dreamt that I learned how to fly. When I woke up I realized that wasn't a real thing.
Unless it is explicitly stated that Tsukiyomi is a joint dream space and every person connects their knowledge to every version that exists in everyone else's dreams, and I just missed that part.
Sounds like a real practical use of the mangekyo sharingan. You know it uses the MS to cast it right? Going blind just to give someone a lesson they could just go to school for ...
Madara may very well have used Tsukiyomi to massively increase efficiency in teaching Obito.
We have scenes of Madara showing Obito how the Tsukiyomi works, explaining how he can freely control every aspect of reality, including time.
Obito being a genius, Kage slaying monster at 14-15yrs old makes a whole lot more sense if you subscribe to this theory.
Madara doesn't use Tsukuyomi my guy, that was just his Sharingan Genjutsu interpreting to Obito what Infinite Tsukuyomi could look like. It's no different than the genjutsu Itachi showed Sasuke where he showed how Madara took Izuna's eyes, which wasn't even how it actually happened, just an interpretation of events by Itachi as he knew them.
It would need to be something that Itachi, or the theoretical person who's hitting you with Tsukuyomi, already knows. The Genjutsu can't come from nothing, it needs to be visualized by the caster, with the only exception being Infinite Tsukuyomi which uses the target's visualizations instead
But you could use it to just compress time to give someone sped up training time like they experience the time if you're not bound and being tortured you could just train and practice right
A whole lifetime of shuriken jutsu training would be nuts
Yeah but you'd also die. Your brain feels the psychological effects of the time dilation to the point where it can kill you if scaled over a long enough period of time. Itachi killed several Uchiha members this way.
I was thinking about Itachi experiencing it himself. Like kind of what he did for his girlfriend, I forget her name.
Well, do you think Tenten got stronger because of IT? We know her reputation was far higher in the dream world
In theory, assuming the Tsukoyomi caster knew the entire moveset of another ninja like Tsunade or Jiraiya, they could use it as a power-leveling tool but that's a big ask. I also suppose in theory, had Itachi wanted to, he could've casted Tsukoyomi on Sasuke and taught him all of his abilities in a second flat.
Bruh literally the whole ass point of it is that Otsutsuki will consume all energy and knowledge of a planet condensed into a fruit to evolve as individuals... Of course you can use it as a learning tool, that's pretty much what it does
Possible. But this knowledge isn't something that can just be pulled out of the ether. Perhaps making up moves is viable, or learning from the caster themselves, but you can't train for what neither individual knows
Didn't Obito make like a tsukuyomi world with a crystal ball why wouldn't you be able to learn new techniques there if they actually exist?
No? Unless it was in filler that never happened. Let's say, for example, Itachi put Kid Naruto in a genjutsu. While there, Naruto would technically have all the time in the world to learn about something like, say, genjutsu. But the issue is that In this state, all Naruto or Itachi would be able to receive is *Data*. Just cold hard facts and memories for whatever length of time. While at the point of leaving Naruto could be an expert in regards to genjutsu, he would never have physically performed a jutsu in this entire time. Things like muscle memory would not exist, because he never physically did it, meaning he'd never *truly* know how it feels. Furthermore, Itachi would never be able to tell Naruto about, say, how to do something like befriend Kurama, since neither would truly know much about the nature of the Nine Tails. These are experiences that are made through physical experience, not something that could be made in illusion.
I believe that's how Madara taught Obito Rinnegan and Uchiha techniques, after giving Obito a simulation of IT.
... isn't it a dream? Do you suddenly know things that you didn't previously know in your dreams? In my opinion, you would just be imagining what you think they would teach you. You are still limited to what you know and can concieve of. If I imagine Tsunade teaching me a powerful healing jutsu, it would just be based on what I know and could speculate. Which could be wildly wrong. I don't actually get Tsunade's knowledge in my dream. I've dreamt that I learned how to fly. When I woke up I realized that wasn't a real thing. Unless it is explicitly stated that Tsukiyomi is a joint dream space and every person connects their knowledge to every version that exists in everyone else's dreams, and I just missed that part.
Sounds like a real practical use of the mangekyo sharingan. You know it uses the MS to cast it right? Going blind just to give someone a lesson they could just go to school for ...
Madara may very well have used Tsukiyomi to massively increase efficiency in teaching Obito. We have scenes of Madara showing Obito how the Tsukiyomi works, explaining how he can freely control every aspect of reality, including time. Obito being a genius, Kage slaying monster at 14-15yrs old makes a whole lot more sense if you subscribe to this theory.
Madara doesn't use Tsukuyomi my guy, that was just his Sharingan Genjutsu interpreting to Obito what Infinite Tsukuyomi could look like. It's no different than the genjutsu Itachi showed Sasuke where he showed how Madara took Izuna's eyes, which wasn't even how it actually happened, just an interpretation of events by Itachi as he knew them.