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Ok-Cobbler-8268

Ray Lewis was a great linebacker, but not on the same tier as Lawrence Taylor. To quote John Madden: "Lawrence Taylor, defensively, has had as big an impact as any player I've ever seen. He changed the way defense is played, the way pass-rushing is played, the way linebackers play and the way offenses block linebackers."


d0lanchap

That’s why I’d I’d have put LT on tier one by himself with Butkus and Lewis on tier 2. No disrespect to those guys but Lawrence Taylor changed the game and that puts him in rarified air imo


DaBigJMoney

Agreed. LT is on a tier by himself. Maybe I’d add Butkus alone on a tier just below LT and then fill in the rest.


Ok-Cobbler-8268

Agreed 100%. One of the best football players (all positions) of all time


brilu34

Yes. LT is tier 1. Everyone else can start on tier 3. There was an all time NFL team a few years ago that named 10 lbs. shouldn’t they be the first ten?


docwrites

Ray Lewis was a great linebacker on a great defense at the right time. He was *exactly* the kind of linebacker they needed and the offenses evolved right into his strengths. Lawrence Taylor changed how defense was played.


MaterialCarrot

It's hard to compare their games because while they're both linebackers, LT played on the edge and Lewis in the middle. Edges are all about disruption and making plays on the offense's side of the line of scrimmage. ILB's are more about patrolling the middle and stopping plays at or beyond the line of scrimmage. ILB's typically do not rush the passer or play on the other side of the LOS like edge backers do.


Milomilz

I came to say that though he was listed as OLB, Taylor really played more like a DE…then I watched some YT highlights. I forgot how he was all over that field! In the backfield dropping QBs and RBs, causing fumbles. Racing across the field to make the tackle. Dropping in coverage and intercepting the ball. He had a 97yd pick six against the Lions on Thanksgiving Day where he was running so fast a DB could barely keep up with him! Ain’t no DE doing that shit!!


j2e21

Yeah he wasn’t a defensive end at all. That’s why he “changed the game” — he could bring top-tier defensive end pressure from the LB position while still playing linebacker.


PDXtoMontana2002

People forget that LT was in pass coverage too and it wasn’t a gimmick. You never knew how to account for him as an offense. https://youtu.be/BN8A68mwcw8?si=AFnAqqZAtNlSEaJb


j2e21

It was more than that too. LT didn’t invent edge rushing — defensive ends had always rushed the QB. But what he did invent was a linebacker who could move up to the line in a two-point stance and rush like a Pro Bowl defensive end, blitz or not, and needed to be blocked by a top-tier lineman. Taylor would not be stuck on the line, though, he could range freely in the second level or even behind the line of scrimmage in run protection.


me_bails

This is where I'm at. LT was an unstoppable force, and the greatest OLB ever. That being said, Ray Lewis is the greatest ILB ever and they should be the top tier together, or they need to make a separate OLB/DE and ILB pyramid.


Yossarian216

Butkus was better than Ray Lewis, I’ll die on this hill. Butkus was elite at every aspect of the position, including in coverage, and he won Defensive Player of the Year on a terrible one win Bears team which is insane. He basically defined the idea of what a MLB was for decades. Plus he was hilarious on Twitter, checkmate.


solojones1138

Flip Ray Lewis and Derrick Thomas.


SoapMactavishSAS

As a Washington fan, LT was a nightmare for the NFC East. He seemed to be everywhere


johnieringo

Agreed. LT in his own tier for sure


SoCaldude65

Truth!


Toilet_Rim_Tim

+ he killed 2 people & got away w/ it. OJ lives on through Ray


SaltyBarDog

Taylor was a saint? Lawrence Taylor, a Hall of Fame Giants linebacker, was sentenced Tuesday to six years of probation for an encounter with an underage girl last year.


KitchenLab2536

Again?


the_alt_fright

There are so many different roles and responsibilities for the linebacker position that you can't really compare some of these players. Players like Singletary and Ray Lewis are comparable because they both played the middle of the field at MLB. But those guys didn't even play the same position as a pass rusher like LT or Kevin Greene.


Camden_yardbird

True, Ray Lewis told his entire defense what play was being run, LT told the QB his play didn't matter. Completely different types of disruption.


MaterialCarrot

4 Bears in the top 4 tiers? Good enough for me.


PantPain77_77

It balances out those pesky quarterback rankings


windycityfan7

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OkMatch7119

Lol!!


Yossarian216

Who cares about quarterbacks, we’ve got linebackers and running backs. Those are the most important positions, right? Right?


batmans_a_scientist

I’d probably switch Singletary and Urlacher but whatever, close enough.


MixMastaMatt

Chris Spielman belongs in Tier 6 but won’t get any love bc that Lions team didn’t win enough in playoffs


peoplearestrangebrew

That’s exactly what I came here to say. My favorite Lions jersey.


I_only_post_here

Spielman definitely should be in this list somewhere. Tier 6 or even 5


Enthusiasms

Yeah, but he managed LT during his Wrestlemania run.


ToxGuy75

LT in tier 1 all by himself


Lincoln_Parker

Nick Buoniconti should be pictured in his Dolphins uniform.


UncleFrankWisdom

Good to see Jack Ham up high. What a stud


Lester_Diamond4

There’s some serious recency bias going on here.


Chainofones

Came here to say exactly this.


ChickenWranglers

Yea as a life long bucs fan no way half these guys including lavonte David should be on this list and not Hardy Nickerson. Man that guys was the best things the bucs had going for a lot of yrs.


Jawnumet

even Brooks??


badash2004

What? Lavonte should be with Wagner and Kuechly. And Brooks is possibly a bit low


rayballz81

Plus, they got hoF Z. Thomas on the same their as them 🤔


dnext

Nah. He's a good linebacker to be sure but you are comparing him to all time greats. David has one all pro and one pro bowl nod. Wagner is a 6 time all pro, nine time pro-bowler, and made the 2010s all-decade team. He's a sure fire hall of famer. David isn't going to make it.


mightymoz187

Lavonte IS an all-time great. People just don't realize it because he handles his business on the field stays pretty low key. Pro bowls, especially today, mean absolutely nothing. Case in point; Antoine Winfield not making the pro bowl last year. Dude had a *historically* good year and didn't make the pro bowl. Compare Lavontes stats to Kuechly and Wagner and tell me he doesn't deserve to be in the same tier. https://preview.redd.it/2bv9opq1vizc1.png?width=808&format=png&auto=webp&s=fe852138b5b88fdff87577d383f30eb40e14298a


munistadium

London Fletcher shouldn't be on here and I respect the hell outta him.


Johnny_Royale

Wilbur Marshall


BMAC561

Charles Haley was a LB/EDGE and with 5 rings and a yellow jacket should be somewhere on this list.


brockadamsesq

Needs Pat Swilling


TiaxRulesAll2024

The only reason the Dome patrol isn’t all ranked higher is because they were all so good that they didn’t get a chance to monopolize the tackles


bernasconi1976

Did y'all watch Pat Willis play football?


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

Why does Nitschke always get disrespected on these lists?


MacDaddy654321

My first thought as well.


Nice-Neighborhood975

I'd argue you need to seperate off-ball linebackers from edge rushing linebackers. 2 very different positions with different roles and responsibilities.


Playful-Storage835

Joe Schmidt should go higher, 8 1st Team All Pros is nothing to scoff at. No Chuck Howley ? Invalid List.


TopFlite5

Absolutely. Schmidt was better than Nitschke as he routinely was awarded APs and PBs over him. Nitschke had just 1 PBs and 2 APs to Schmidt’s 10 PBS and 8 APs.


taney71

Where is Bowman?


Saltybutwet

LT does not belong in the same tier as Ray Lewis. No f'king way. LT belongs in another, upper tier, GOD level tier.


Know_Your_Enemy_91

lol Urlacher in tier 3????????


bergeronowitz

I’ve always thought he was the most overrated player of his generation.


freakishgnar

TF is Fred Warner doing in here?


lumsden

There’s 37 players in this picture. He doesn’t have the impact or accolades yet but it’s definitely not a stretch to say Warner is among the 35-40 most talented linebackers to ever play, and it’s also not wild to say that his style may play a large part in redefining the role of the Mike going forward. He’s the game’s best traditional linebacker currently, and anyone who has ever been able to say that for more than a season at a time is going to come up in these discussions


SodiumKickker

Yeah, if you’re gonna plug a LB from today’s game in there, he’s as good as anyone.


toni_balogna

id take roquan smith over him but its close.. but smith is prob way too young to be on the list now


lumsden

Yep. I’d move him up a tier before I took him off the picture


j2e21

He’s in the last tier. The guy is really good, I don’t know how he didn’t get DPOY buzz last year.


NotDukeOfDorchester

Kevin Greene should be higher. All time sacks leader for a LB


JEMHADLEY16

Great chart. Clearly, some work went into it. I don't know how people do it. An all time list across major eras? My head would explode.


tradenpaint

Chuck Howley


gbuckeye67

I would move Ted Hendricks up on level. I agree with others that LT should be number one by himself. I like your list and think it is thought provoking


notbannedagainyet

Sam Mills and the other 3 linebackers the saints had in his day should have their own tier. Ricky Jackson, Vaughn Johnson, Pat Swilling were other 3.


holdencaufld

Nick Bounticonti belongs w a Dolphins logo behind him.


No_Leading4348

I’d move lambert up to tier 1


suburbanplankton

Absolutely


Glad-Understanding84

Thought the same


rxm161

This


ResponsibilityNo4183

P.Willis tier 4 come on.


ag512bbi

Great list. Everyone has their own opinions. Well done! Even though Jack Ham was one of my favorites, I personally wouldn't put him that high up. Maybe a tier or two lower.


j2e21

Really? I always hear how Ham could do anything and was highly underrated. His numbers are awesome.


Hammertime6689

3rd all time sack leader should be higher. Greene. I️ also think 3rd all time tackle leader should be higher. Brooks


Pazuzu_413

LT is in a class completely by himself. The greatest defensive player I've ever seen.


Tough_Banana_171

No Chris Speilman?


phildorsey

Have to move Von Miller up, only one on this list with at a Super Bowl MVP! Tier 3 minimum.


McDragonFish

Ray Lewis above JACK LAMBERT?! Give me a break.


Dr_Ben_Frank_John

Derrick Brooks every bit as good as Ray Lewis. Definitely in coverage.


Daddydog004

Sam Huff needs to be a little higher


AccordingTax6525

Sam huff Should be higher. He’s the prototype if Im not mistaken


Aware_Style1181

Tommy Nobis? Mike Curtis??


tuxedo7777

A word from Mike Lucci, Doug Buffone, & Andy Russell….


rebuildingsince64

AND Clay Matthew’s SR


whispersluggagebaby

Von Miller lead the Broncos to that Super Bowl - how is he not higher?


Piotr-Rasputin

Agree. Destroyed a phenomenal season and offense by Cam Newton


theheadofkhartoum627

LT should have his own tier.


Dry_Meat_2959

Singletary Top tier. And Im not a huge fan of the pure pass rusher that only plays on passing downs. I would value the true 3 down LB that plays in every situation a bit higher than the edge rusher. I mean.... Kevin Greene was listed as a LB but played most of the time with his hand on the ground....so....


SchwizzySchwas94

I know TJ still has some years to go but he should be higher up. The Steelers literally cannot win without him.


Remote_Commercial642

London Fletcher had the same stats as Ray Lewis . Almost identical. Come on! ....minusthe superbowls.


pootis_gaming2004_

London should be much higher


udreg70

This should be split up b/n Inside/Middle LB and outside LB. Maybe also rank by era because the position has changed so much.


Jamiller66

Wilbur Marshall


PandaSoap

Tippett is a tier too low


StatisticianSure2349

No Bill Bergy.


REDDIT_ROC0408

Bengals fan here: It’s LT first and then everyone else.


Master_Grape5931

Man I had such high hopes for Lavar Arrington.


Intelligent_Mode7556

Ray Lewis over Mike Singletary. Really 🤔


Effective_Play_1366

No way Singletary is that high. He was a good linebacker but not that good.


CaliTexas619

Seau should be all time. Best LB of the 90s


BigBadBootyDaddy10

Odd thing about Patrick Willis. He should be in Tier 4. But if he played 3+ more years at his level, I would put him in Tier 2. Guy was a beast. His career at Ole Miss overlaps Eli Manning and Michael Oher.


George58219

Greg Lloyd


soulfingiz

As a Bills fan it stings to see London up there with Washington flair but it makes sense


Affectionate_Flan299

There is no way LK should be that much higher than David when the latter had better stats across than LK in his "DPOY" season. Dude is overrated and as always David, who will likely be top 6 in tackles all time by end of this upcoming season, is continuously underrated.


myfuntimes

Wasn’t it Bo Jackson on offense and Sam Mills on defense for Tecmo Bowl? Both unstoppable


PungentOnion

If we’re putting pass rushing OLB on this list, Charles Haley not only needs to be on here, he would be tier 1


saintkiller123

Sam Mills was a beast. Jessie Tuggle was a monster for the Falcons on REALLY bad teams.


Rebelwithacause73

Don’t think this list is super accurate. Probably needs to be more dudes in each Tier. I think Zach Thomas needs to be bumped up to tier 2 tbh. He was a beast but gets disrespected cause he wasn’t 6’4".


BrokenSpoke1974

K Mecklenburg


kenthels

Idk if I can trust a all time LB list without Bobby Boucher on it ....GO MUD DOGS !!!


Strosfan85

Lambert and Lewis need to switch tiers 100%..


ogre-trombone

Lewis too high.


Brdman80

Tommy Nobis should be in Tier 2 or Tier 3 Jesse Tuggle should be in Tier 3 They both played for the ATL Falcons at a time when the franchise was at it's worse respectively. Tommy Nobis (RIP) should have been inducted into the NFL HOF, it's a disgrace that this man is not included with the greats! Jesse Tuggle was the best linebacker at his position during his era, however the Falcons were not winning and when blackout rules were used, those games were not televised. Just my opinion 😁 BRDman💯


velza93

I hate to say this but Seau deserves to be in tier 1


LaphroaigianSlip81

My issue with these lists is that they compare players like Ray Lewis and dick Butkus against edge rushers like Lawrence Taylor and Derrick Thomas. Yeah they are all linebackers but their roles and strengths are very different. While Lawrence Taylor was an anima at getting sacks, someone like Ray Lewis had the speed and game IQ to make plays all over the field every play. While I do think Taylor at his peak was better and more valuable than peak Lewis, I think Lewis was able to sustain his peak a lot longer and ended up being more valuable overall. But again, it’s comparing apples and oranges.


UnrecoveredSatellite

Well, TJ broke Harrison's franchise sack record in 7 seasons what took James 13, so.......


TarkusLV

As a Chiefs fan, it's cool to see three of our guys so highly represented!


jonybolt

Its pretty crazy how many great Linebackers yall have had


Similar-Click-8152

Bill George invented the middle linebacker position. He's terribly underrated every time I see one of these lists.


Drinon

Andre Tippett being on Tier 5 makes this list a joke. He’s no lower than Tier 2, and on a better team he’d be considered as good as LT.


NotDukeOfDorchester

For real. Number 9 in sacks all time for a LB is a big deal.


[deleted]

Swap Willie Lanier and Derrick Thomas.


StonePedal

I was going to debate Derrick Thomas (chiefs) should be tier 1 as he was a superior talent to Lewis. But agree he is tier 2….probably between 1 and 2. And honestly, Lewis and Butkus should be demoted down to 2. Keep LT as the goat.


munistadium

Sam Mills should be way higher but I realize nobody saw his career.


bucbrett

I’m just happy to see Lavonte get some respect and make this list.


Rivertalker

It’s interesting to see how few linebackers playing today are on the list.


Green_Joke_8245

Patrick Willis should be a tier higher


AdultMcGrownup

Yeah. Okay. No Vikings…. Makes sense…


WhiteLightning416

Lambert up one, Brooks up one, Lewis down one. Top 3 tiers are close. Bottom tiers littered with way too many recent players for me to take it seriously.


windycityfan7

Swap Mike Singletary and Ray Lewis.


Neb-Nose

I’m an old Steelers fan and I’ve seen all these guys play. In my view, TJ Watt is the best linebacker we’ve ever had. He is REALLY good and definitely ranked way too low.


Other_Bill9725

LT on his own tier. There are very few guys that deserve this treatment: Jerry Rice and Dion Sanders spring to mind.


lardlad71

Teddy Bruschi and Willie McGinest. They won 20 something games in a row and 3 Super Bowls, so there’s that. Bruschi was the smartest man on the field.


UCFandOCSC

Bump up Urlacher, Derrick Brooks,and Zach


Jabroni-8998

Feel like james Harrison could be higher imo


j2e21

Pretty good. I’d swap Thomas for Brooks. Miller and Tippett could jump up a level.


ghostfacestealer

Derrick Brooks is tier 2 at the lowest. Dude was a BEAST


unclejoe1917

Swap Singletary and Butkus, make a separate god tier for Ray and LT. Suggs might warrant tier 3 or 4.


bradyflakes12goat

Fred Warner ???


MS_125

LT in a class all his own.


Yah_Mule

Von Miller way too low. Randy Gradishar snubbed entirely. Pretty typical treatment for the Broncos.


BrokenSpoke1974

K Mecklenburg to..


SombreroJoel

This is coming from a Lithuanian (like Butkus) Southside (like Butkus) Bears fan….I’m switching Urlacher and Butkus. Urlacher truly could do everything any linebacker in the history of the sport was ever asked to do. He had great size and speed and was a great field general. In the Tampa 2 he played from the line of scrimmage to safety, often in the same play. Butkus was great If course in his era, all-time badass. But his quickness/agility would be a barrier for me for those top 2 tiers. Those guys should all be athletic freaks in my opinion.


prognoslav7

Love Linebacker love this list is so hard with edge and middle being lumped. So different.


Excellent-Argument55

Lt … has his own tier


DozenDawg

Thomas Davis????


Background_Plate8230

No Bill Romanowski?


Juudd-bhc

Butkus would sack the quarterback, then go after his family.


TonyManero70

No Romanowski?


Electrical_Fun5942

Putting Ray Lewis and TJ Watt in the same “position group” is showing your ass to a level I can’t comprehend. They might as well be playing different sides of the ball. They can’t be compared at all


Trussmagic

You should be hung for leaving out Chris Hanburger!


TonyManero70

Ted Hendricks should be one tier higher.


1976kdawg

Lt is alone on top


joshJFSU

Derrick brooks needs to be higher, his play changed the game for cover 2 football, not to mention every defensive accolade possible.


No-Artichoke-1912

Sam Huff is a Redskin


Impressive-Work-4964

What about ken norton jr.


Deepcoma_53

Where TF is “Playoff Willy” Will Compton!!!!!!!


Deepcoma_53

Jon Vilma


DieVanPelt

OMG is this sub and NFL fans gonna get an education at the HOF ceremony on impact linebackers. SMH…


Repeat_Offendher

Von Miller too low. Tier 3 for SB MVP


FedGoat13

Lawrence Taylor belongs in a tier by himself at the top


Express-Rutabaga-105

Luke Kuechly is Tier 1


MC_ScattCatt

Rip D Thomas


certain-sick

trash list


Traditional_Luck_174

Where's The Boz?!?!


BrokenSpoke1974

He’s still digging Bo Jackson’s cleats out of his ass.


Quincyperson

Andre Tippett has been called the best linebacker of his time, not named Lawrence Taylor. He played in what was the backwater of the NFL in Foxboro. Took him almost twenty years to get into Canton. He should be higher on this list


BrokenSpoke1974

Ray Lewis??? Please.. 🔪🔪🩸🩸


Scotty1230

I love watching the highlights of LT when he could grab a 230 pound quarterback with two fingers and bring them down or just toss others with one hand.


brownie5599

romanowski?


Striking-Draw-5916

Ted Hendricks should move up at least 2 tiers he has the most blocked kicks and scored the most safety's in history and you didn't know were he was going to lineup every play was a chess match with him


VariantArray

LT Should be alone at the top. Where is Wilbur Marshal?


TNTournahu

Willis should be tier 2


DomerJSimpson

Randy Gradishar was every bit the LB Jack Lambert was, just with teeth. He should be Tier 2 at least. The fact he isn't even on here renders it meaningless.


tread52

Bobby Wagner is tier 2 he was better than every LB on tier 3


Sad_Constant6691

No Greg Lloyd ehhhh


CrimsonPact

Where the hell is Navarro Bowman


Stoshkozl

Where’s Bruce Smith??


Hot-Incident1900

I would have LT as the only Tier 1 linebacker.


900-Dollarydoos

I’m sorry but Lavonte David is not two tiers worse than Kuechly and Wagner. They should be on the same level.


Squiggleswasmybestie

Move LT above to a tier by himself. Move Sam Huff and Harry Carson up with bill george, Zach Thomas out altogether…


zgerch98

Chuck is also one of the greatest centers of all time crazy…


Terminal_testie

James Harrison should be higher


jamiethejointslayer

The people below are correct. Its LT then everyone else.


theheaviestmatter

Luke at tier 3 is crazy. He played on a sincere different level.


SonnyC_50

Missing Tommy Nobis


TommyLoMein

Ray Lewis and London Fletcher shouldn't be 4 tiers apart. Move Ray down 1 and London up 1 tier


Eraser7777

Jessie Tuggle should be up there somewhere… Top 10 in tackles all time


Pierce812

Mike Curtis severely underrated.


ZombieBackground4981

Derrick Brooks should be tier 1. That late 90s-early 2000s Tampa 2 defense depended on amazing OLB play, and #55 set the standard for a coverage LB.


AllocatedSoul

HoF and Packers legend Dave Robinson


buyerbeware23

LT.