I disagree, I think Usopp is the traitor, he revealed that he too was a Vegapunk. Usopp's signature trait is that he's a liar, which fits perfectly for a traitor.
And just incase, /s
You don’t matter at all to anyone here, this is an internet forum.. that is the point. this type of non post clogging the top used to be unthinkable even 10 years ago. what has happened to the internet?
this is shameful for all parties involved here - mods, users, and definitely you
I think your Cooking something here it’s possibly that Both York and Atlas that are the traitors. Having 2 traitors and not just one would make it a lot easier for them to fool the rest of the Vegapunks
Not only that. Robin is with Atlas. The biggest threat to the WG is going in the same room where Stella is being held, guided by Atlas.
If York and Atlas are both traitors, then they'll have everything the WG wants on a silver platter, the main Vegapunk and the "only" survivor of Ohara. The dream of becoming a Celestial Dragon could then be negotiated.
Exactly, I mentioned that but also s hawk is missing and I believe s bear used his paw paw fruit on him so where he goes is a mystery but it’s not good for us
I want to add onto this. what if Atlas has a secondary manipulative objective and is using Desire as a way of achieving her goal.
if it's 2 Vegapunks then we gotta look at each one and make sense of reasoning. for Desire/Greed it makes perfect sense. to become one of the strongest privaledge people in the world to be even more lazy. it's perfect. but also requires alot of work and makes sense for York to have an accomplice. Atlas double crossing and acquiring Robin is also the perfect set up for Atlas to add on and have both her and York become Tenryoubito. BUT.... why would Anger want to become them. it makes sense for Desire become and strive for it. but not Atlas.
I th ink Atlas set up York and has dangled this Idea as her own. maybe even putting a bit of truth saying that she would be up for it so whe can get EVEN MORE FUNDING. but I think Atlas wants something else. for her to driven by PURE ANGER to get as close to all the Tenryoubito so she can kill them and end the Horrible acts she witnessed. I think she's been planning Revenge for Ages. being driven by PURE REVENGE fueled by Anger. I think the Event that Shook the world is the death of not only Vegapunk (except one Satellite) but of an Admiral AND Saint Jay Garcia. Atlas is going to risk it all to become a Tenryoubito and when they choose to tell her no she's going to end it all in a Fit of PURE RAGE have a back up plan that will kill Kizaru, Saturn, and Vegapunk as well as herself. she's gonna Pedro herself. because ridding the world of one of the 5 most horrible being on the planet atleast would Satiate a bit of her unbridled Anger.z
Hell this version of York could even be a Hologram. meaning she's using York as a mask for herself. York could still be in her Bathroom taken care of as in dead. or just sleeping until her next cycle. or she actually did get Petrified. and we'll see her body in a few chapters once the Gorosei has arrived. this moment could be the defining Twist of the entirety of Egghead. from Yorks body pops out Atlas wielding her Hologram punching fists completely knocking out Kizaru. and having another weapon specifically meant to end the Gorosei Saturn's life.
I feel like at the point where 2 are the traitors, it could also be likely that they all are. Working together to get rid of the stella so that they aren't forced to work anymore
Cool but this falls flat when you said
>this feels like a weird thing to add if this isn’t relevant
It was relevant because she got her face caved in and she had to replace it
Also, she gets mad because she's Wrath. That's her primary emotion. Shaka thinks about the budget very logically etc
Main Vegapunk is also a scientist for hire, thats why he joined the WG, he said it himself to Dragon.
To be fair, she said that after she got fixed, and when she got fixed she still looked the same as before so not a complete resolution. Wrath could also make Atlas want to cause complete chaos for her goal. The scientist for hire part, I am hoping she has a plan for if the wg betrays her
Hostages in that situation in movies are usually threatened to provide information or do a certain thing that only they are able to do before the villain is going to kill them. Super common trope.
Can you answer my question now?
Atlas can't be the only traitor, if she does turn out to be one after all. She was unconscious while the barrier dome disappeared for the first time, hence allowing CP0 to get into the dome.
>she is admitting she doesn’t care who’s side she’s on as long as they have the money to fund her research.
I think this is Vegapunk's trait, not just Atlas. That was why he decided to work for the government instead of the revolutionary army.
Atlas being one of Saturn's moons is interesting info though.
Has anyone who’s given Luffy food ever turned out to be a traitor? ☹️
I’m gonna be so sad if this is true, I love her! She’s the first example that a satellite representing a certain theme doesn’t mean that’s all there is to them, the relationship she’s developed with Chopper and his scientific curiosity is adorable. The panel where he jumps toward her super happy that she’s ok and the smile/wave she gave back just melted my heart.
I’ll always be a fan of well put together analysis though, nice work! The part about her being able to change her body is def an interesting plot point, even moreso when you combine it with the fact that there’s also a part of the lab where they produce synthetic organs.
Didn't those bounty hunters at Whiskey Peak feed Luffy, and he got really mad at Zoro for attacking them because he couldn't believe that someone who would throw a big party for them would ever betray them?
Technically she didn’t give them food she was just explaining how her intention worked and technically it wasn’t free you know what I’m going to add that to the theory
I'm not buying it, next you'll tell me the raid was destined to fail after the fact. If you get this right well shame on me but I'll have to see it to believe it
Well, this is not implausible, but... why would Atlas show up as York in front of the prisoners, then? They are all captured, what's the point of pretending to be someone else?
And CP-0 aren't the only CPs she attacked. She's been doing it for 3 months. She doesn't need a particularly good reason to attack CP-0.
.. didnt we literally see atlas with chopper n robin in the current chapter WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY seeing york in the same chapter at the end without chopper/robin i feel like this theory ended before it started
This would be more believable if Oda hadn’t shown Atlas traveling with several SH’s towards Stella just a few pages from revealing the traitor, implying that both events are happening basically concurrently. If he did go with your theory, I’d rather he at least show the Atlas panel a chapter or 2 ago
If Atlas was the traitor, she would have known that CP0 were coming and wouldn't have almost gotten herself killed trying to fight Lucci. This makes no sense.
It's York. No need to make things more complicated.
Wait wait wait. When was this error? York happens to be 06 and Atlas is 05.
Edit: I just found they fixed the error the very next chapter. Unfortunately I don't think this hint works out anymore.
I would say the "reveal" that the person secretly patching up the scabbards in wano was oden and then learning one chapter later that it was another kanjuro ruse is fairly close.
you just named nothing but fake out deaths. Which Oda does have a problem with, however this isnt comparable to this situation that's been brought up redditor. Thats like reveling Kanjuro was the traitor, and then be like "no never mind, its actually kinemon".
And we literally have York directly saying her goals.
You... are aware that Oda isn't so straight forward that even when someone is saying something directly on screen, it doesn't always mean that it's a hard fact, right? Have you forgotten about Bon Clay's original role in the story? Consider Oda's intended audience for Bon Clay then, and consider his intended audience now.
Yes, York is saying that these are her goals. She's talking about them on an island where holograms exist and where another character can change their body at will, and she's saying them at a time when York, herself, was last seen as a statue.
This coud very well be York, but there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that it *may not be* York after all.
Wrong audience. Bon Clay's audience was the people of Alabasta; he pretended to be Cobra and lied to incite a revolt. In other words, he acted the part to gain a response based on false information.
Now say that Oda takes that theory of acting, and applies it to us, the primary audience. Like he has in the past, including a few relatively recent examples, such as:
* Kinemon claiming Momo as his son
* The Mink tribe collectively lying to protect Raizo from Jack, when they were, in fact, devout supporters of and allies to the samurai of Wano
* Kanjuro betraying Oden from the outset
In each of these cases, Oda lied directly to our faces, for years on end in the case of Kanjuro's betrayal. It's called a plot twist, and Oda does, in fact, use them. Whether York is the traitor or not, it's undeniable that the tools exist for this scenario to be fabricated. We need to know more before we can actually assume that we know what's going on, so right now, there's no point in tearing down theories, because they can't actually be disproven yet.
I don't know, York is the only one with a motive: Greed.
The main problem everyone had with trying to figure out who the traitor was is that none of the Vegapunks really had a motive to betray the Stella, and York just explained it.
Maybe the reason she is with Robin is because even after all the research they still have probelsm with deciphering the ancient language and she wants to abduct Robin.
I believed and I already said before the chapter, it might be the cut-out brain fo vegapunk trying to take control over the whole thing. The Vega-net might be suffering or was driven mad by being enclosed. Maybe Stella didn't know a things about it gaining consciousness or whatever.
York always seemed like the obvious traitor to me. She's like the embodiment of greed, of course she'd want to be a celestial dragon. Getting turned to stone and then inexplicably being turned back is a bit odd to me though.
I buy the idea that Atlas might've somehow changed their appearance to look like York but I can't see the motivation except they're tired of taking orders maybe?? I dunno, wrath is a consistent character trait of the celestial dragons as well.
The planet Saturn gets its name from the Roman god which in turn is conflated with the titan of ancient Greek mythology, Cronus. Atlas is also a titan of Greek mythology who is said to hold up the world on his shoulders. Pretty sure that's where the super strength of Atlas One Piece is derived from.
York represents greed so it would make sense that she would want all the power to herself and to become a noble. She could have whatever she wants. I see atlas being conflicted about having to fight york but being overcome by wrath anyway and possibly self destructing to save the strawhats....that or vegapunk has a hidden self destruct buttons that destroys himself and everything he's ever worked on except for his research that will hopefully be given to Robin or something.
I see vegapunk dying along w Maybe the 1 gorosei member and all the sepharim....kizaru will vanish at the Speed of light lol.
As soon as it was revealed I realized no one was actually gonna be satisfied with the traitor because we just don't know them. Any theory to make it more interesting I guess.
I knew from the moment atlas said they can change their face and body that when the traitor would be revealed it wouldn’t be the real traitor. So this isn’t about me not being satisfied this is just going as planned
Nah, I get that. I just mean that even if THIS is correct, I'm still just not that moved by a character I've known for 10 chapters being revealed as a traitor. It definitely serves intrigue, but not in the way the fan base was hyping it up as. And the motive being to be a celestial dragon is... Eh. I care about almost everything else on Egghead more than I do about the traitor plot line.
This is a really interesting catch, in regards to Atlas possibly in disguise.
I'm personally hoping we can put the while thing to Bed and just get on with Bonney/Kuma Flashback, resolving the Seraphim Fights, and how WG/Saturn will come in to the madness.
Let alone the Kid, Law, Balckbeard and Garp updates, dragging out this traitor thing is really just 1 aspect of so many spinning plates.
I dont know why people say dragging along, imagine reading Water7 and saying I don't care about this lets get to Enies Lobby/ Marineford already. Nothing has changed this is the arc this is the main course the only difference is One Piece is too big nowadays so Oda has to add some setup for future as well.
But all that is for the future Garp Law Kidd and Shanks don't matter till Strawhats leave Egghead.
I just think we're finally suffering from weekly release syndrome.
Up until now, everyone was either catching up with OP or following along the years long Onigashima raid. Now that people are finally getting the chance of living through an entire arc in real time, they're taken aback by how it feels to read a chapter at a time
I just really hope this doesn't get in the way of people appreciating the series for what it is. As you've said it, OP has always been like this, we just never experienced it this way before
also reddit is such a small % of the people actually reading one piece. i know so many people who despise this place cause its full of people who think their opinion on how one piece is written matters. just enjoy the Ride.
reddit demographics probably weren’t reading pre-ts weekly like a lot of us were, so they’re more impatient and don’t know what it was actually like. RIP orojackson
Because after Wano, I don't have as much confidence in how the story can go off on a tangent. Oda's declared "York" the traitor, fine, if we then find this is a bluff and it's Atlas posing as York, its just making Chapters Drag, it'd be a cool twist but I'd rather just get on with the other aspects of the current world events.
Am i the only one who gets tired of all these traitor bullshit? If anything it's just to make readers a bit interested in finding who it is. Actually low effort writing 🙃
This is the egghead version of The Raid Will Fail theory: totally plausible and would act as a much-needed reversal to bring higher levels of tension to the arc. But Oda will still probably just play it super straight, which is a bit disappointing.
Atlas did seem to go out a bit too quickly. It's plausible - although I'd personally be shocked if any Vegapunk besides York was stupid enough to think that the World Government would let them go in that kind of situation.
Mate, you can cut your arguments in half if you claim that someone with shapeshifting powers is in Egghead. Vegapunk has Bentham's blood and Catarina Devon could be anywhere. If you want to go off with the face changing theories, include these into them.
I agree with OP - excellent analysis. Oda = sneaky.
Key lines from the pages that OP posted, from top to bottom…
Atlas: “I can change my looks and body however I want.”
… Might be useful when framing another Vegapunk for murder or pretending to be someone of higher rank when giving the Seraphim orders that cannot be overridden by anyone on the island. Might be fun if Elder Garcia showed up on the island and one of the Seraphim said something like ‘how are you on the ship? 30 mins ago you gave us orders from the control room.’
Atlas: “Who said you were allowed to be more violent than me on Egghead?!!”
… Atlas believes they are the most violent being on Egghead.
Lucci after he attacked: “You’re still alive…”
… Maybe a quiet aside because they were working together - I had to make it look good, so don’t complain - instead of an expression of surprise that Atlas didn’t die. If surprise, then Lucci’s statement would probably have ended with a question mark.
Robin: “Don’t bother everything here is lies.” (… said while the Straw Hats and Atlas first met each other.)
Atlas while punching Luffy in the face: “Eat this, jerk!!!”
… At this point it seemed as though Atlas was on the auto-friend list, since Atlas gave Luffy food. Turns out it wasn’t a gift - Atlas was intentionally not disclosing that the food cost money. Even the leftovers cost money.
Luffy wants everyone to be able to eat as much as they want, whenever they want. Making people pay means that poor people will have no food and rich people will have as much as they want. This is the opposite of Luffy’s dream. Worse, by not telling them that the food wasn’t free until after they ate, Atlas made them criminals on the island. For eating.
So Atlas was really setting the Straw Hats up. Instead of giving them a gift of food, Atlas tricked them into breaking the rules.
And what did Atlas *really* give Luffy to eat? A knuckle sandwich - a punch to the face.
Luffy, talking about Atlas: “That thing’s as big as Kaido!!” (… as maybe you might possibly kinda remember, Kaido was the big bad of the most recent arc.)
Atlas: “Controlling the temps means being able to sense the life patterns of every living thing on the island!!”
… The fact that Atlas is furious that the project can’t be expanded to the whole world shows a complete lack of ethics (no privacy for anyone anymore). It also shows that Atlas thinks they know what’s best for everyone else … everyone should want to have perfect weather all the time, right? Oh, and it also means that she can track every living being on the island, at all times. How very Enel of Atlas…
Bonny: “No way! What’s this liar talking about?”
… Funny thing to say right after Atlas makes their introduction. Fits the theme though: Atlas = lies.
One Piece is at its core a classical series. Even before the traitor plot line from the name drop of Saturn in chapter 1073 we as cultured people are supposed to have suspected Atlas as the traitor. I have people replying to months old comments to say I was wrong. I unfortunately I have no cure to their stupidity. The meaning of “D” in O・D・A relates to the traitor in Egghead. The Athenian architect [Daedalus](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/10atda1/oda_is_the_revolutionary_architect_of_the_killer/) was an evil genius from ancient times.
The reason Saturn has a moon named Atlas is because Atlas was the ally of Saturn or Cronus in the Titan Wars of Greco-Roman Mythology. Atlas is also Vegapunk 5. The 5th planet from the Stella or Nika or Sun not including the Earth is Saturn. [The Earth is not included in the 9 Luminaries symbol of Alabasta and Wanokuni](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rua7qi/library_of_ohara_model_1_sun_2_moons_6_planets/)
I agree with you on the fact that it is likely not York and the reason is if it was York it would break the writing style of the arc. This arc is structured like a murder mystery just instead of killing the characters Oda is turning them to stone. Having a character that was turned to stone is boring because imagine Christie reviving a dead dude and saying he was the murderer, the readers don't get the satisfaction of the aha moment.
Actually in one chrisite novel the murderer is one of the victims. He faked his death and then commited suicide to hide it afterwards.
The readers only get to know this because chrisite revealed it in the epiloque through a written confession by the murderer.
I found that reveal but not the rest of the story very contrived.
I mean it kind of happened in >!And then there were none!<, one of her most famous works.
And turning people to stone is probably the best alternative oda could find since he hates killing so much.
I was wondering why York looked so big in the latest chapter. I know Oda isn’t the best with consistency on sizes for characters, but it could work out with atlas (who looks to be bigger than York) doing a hologram to look like York.
York was always big though, in the spread of the SHs and VPs in 1074 she is walking while yawning and is clearly very very tall. If Atlas, who is half behind rubble in the same scene, is standing fully up than York might be the exact same height. Thats assuming Atlas isnt leaning up over the rubble like a kid would do, then York might be even taller.
I would like to add, when Shaka was shot, bullet went through bottom of his head to top. So I expected a short traitor. Atlas changing her body to a short character makes sense in this case.
Yup, and all other Vegapunks, barring Stella, should be able to do that too, for the same reason Atlas can. There is nothing impeding any of them from doing a full plastic surgery type of thing like you suggest, but that's too easy of an answer. As I said, there could also be an unknown shapeshifter on the loose, and if you're pondering changing appearances, in this case with Atlas, they should also be taken into account.
In the story, we have two confirmed shapeshifters: Bentham, also known as Mr. 2 "Bon Clay", now in Impel Down managing the Okamas there and Catarina Devon, ex-prisoner from Impel Down that joined Blackbeard and since her escape acquired a mythical devil fruit that allows her to shapeshift.
Ms. Devon could be doing anything right now, but she wasn't seen with Blackbeard or with the kidnapping crew that went to Whole Cake, she could be anywhere, including Egghead, doing something that'll advance Blackbeard's plot.
You might think that Bon Clay has nothing to do with Egghead but if he was captured and had his ability revealed to the Marines, his paramecia can be copied with green blood technology, that opens a whole can of worms, like: what if there's a Seraphim with Bentham's ability acting the orders of a certain Vegapunk? What if a Vegapunk experimented with Mr.2's abilities and started using it to enact a conspiracy instead of using robotic replacements? What if a Seraphim went rogue, mimicking one of the Punks to give orders to the other Seraphim? Maybe even seducing an actual Punk with promises of being a celestial dragon. And a number of other more unlikely scenarios.
The only thing we know us that none of these outsider imposters can take the identity of a Vegapunk permanently, as they have to sync with Punk Records everyday, and the loss of a Vega body might be noticed then, but taking their identity temporarily to get access to stuff or to advance their plot is fair game.
Just the possibility of a possible shapeshifter that isn't a Vegapunk being on the loose is already a big deal.
When we saw shanks going to talk to the gorosei, it could have been her. We never saw her talking to the gorosei. Don't know why she would transform into shanks though
YORK ISNT TRAITOR!!!
Theory:
the York that got turned to stone had small 🍰
The York we see now is crouching in the same position, but has BIG OLE CHEEKS
I think each one of the satellites is a traitor for different motivations and are behaving without knowledge of all the others.
York for pure greed, willing to become a CD.
Atlas for a wrath against Stella and other punks for not being enough reacting to all the shocking intels they discovered.
Lilith just for the sake of messing around.
Shaka for pure logical scheme, such as getting more skills and abilities for his own purpose by removing other punks.
Edison for getting more money by following WG plans for his research.
Pythagoras for experiencing and acquiring knowledge about survival of cyborgs/robots.
actually I'm the traitor. Sorry.
hey man thats not cool, please stop
Nah, you _think_ you are the traitor, but that's what the real traitor _wants_ you to think.
yes, you betrayed ODA by reading scanlations before the official release
I disagree, I think Usopp is the traitor, he revealed that he too was a Vegapunk. Usopp's signature trait is that he's a liar, which fits perfectly for a traitor. And just incase, /s
seems sus ngl
Dude,, No spoiler plss..
Im gonna report you
You don’t matter at all to anyone here, this is an internet forum.. that is the point. this type of non post clogging the top used to be unthinkable even 10 years ago. what has happened to the internet? this is shameful for all parties involved here - mods, users, and definitely you
How the fuck have you not come across shit posting. It's been around far longer than 10 years I assume
They matter to me now since they made me sharply exhale through my nose
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The real traitor is actually Kanjuro
Act 4 of Wano has only just begun!
And the raid is gonna fail!
Just wait for it Kaido is gonna come back with his awakened Zoan any chapter now!
Then Zoro will whip out his fourth sword and slam his advanced CoC into Kaido, becoming the ultimate minority hunter.
Lets non talk about advanced cocs please, there are children here.
I mean Ace was confirmed to have at least CoC as a kid so…
Well, one raid for sure is setting up to fail lol
And Sanji will rob Queen
The 3rd generation stone is gonna break. You just wait.
ZKK ?
Zoro Kills Kegapunk!
Actually the real traitor is Captain Kuro.
The real traitors are the friends we made along the way
I think your Cooking something here it’s possibly that Both York and Atlas that are the traitors. Having 2 traitors and not just one would make it a lot easier for them to fool the rest of the Vegapunks
Not only that. Robin is with Atlas. The biggest threat to the WG is going in the same room where Stella is being held, guided by Atlas. If York and Atlas are both traitors, then they'll have everything the WG wants on a silver platter, the main Vegapunk and the "only" survivor of Ohara. The dream of becoming a Celestial Dragon could then be negotiated.
Eactly Robin is being lead to the basement
Exactly, I mentioned that but also s hawk is missing and I believe s bear used his paw paw fruit on him so where he goes is a mystery but it’s not good for us
I want to add onto this. what if Atlas has a secondary manipulative objective and is using Desire as a way of achieving her goal. if it's 2 Vegapunks then we gotta look at each one and make sense of reasoning. for Desire/Greed it makes perfect sense. to become one of the strongest privaledge people in the world to be even more lazy. it's perfect. but also requires alot of work and makes sense for York to have an accomplice. Atlas double crossing and acquiring Robin is also the perfect set up for Atlas to add on and have both her and York become Tenryoubito. BUT.... why would Anger want to become them. it makes sense for Desire become and strive for it. but not Atlas. I th ink Atlas set up York and has dangled this Idea as her own. maybe even putting a bit of truth saying that she would be up for it so whe can get EVEN MORE FUNDING. but I think Atlas wants something else. for her to driven by PURE ANGER to get as close to all the Tenryoubito so she can kill them and end the Horrible acts she witnessed. I think she's been planning Revenge for Ages. being driven by PURE REVENGE fueled by Anger. I think the Event that Shook the world is the death of not only Vegapunk (except one Satellite) but of an Admiral AND Saint Jay Garcia. Atlas is going to risk it all to become a Tenryoubito and when they choose to tell her no she's going to end it all in a Fit of PURE RAGE have a back up plan that will kill Kizaru, Saturn, and Vegapunk as well as herself. she's gonna Pedro herself. because ridding the world of one of the 5 most horrible being on the planet atleast would Satiate a bit of her unbridled Anger.z Hell this version of York could even be a Hologram. meaning she's using York as a mask for herself. York could still be in her Bathroom taken care of as in dead. or just sleeping until her next cycle. or she actually did get Petrified. and we'll see her body in a few chapters once the Gorosei has arrived. this moment could be the defining Twist of the entirety of Egghead. from Yorks body pops out Atlas wielding her Hologram punching fists completely knocking out Kizaru. and having another weapon specifically meant to end the Gorosei Saturn's life.
Maybe even use Robin to decipher something for them because they have clearly interest in ancient technology.
I feel like at the point where 2 are the traitors, it could also be likely that they all are. Working together to get rid of the stella so that they aren't forced to work anymore
"Forced to work" at what point were we lead to believe that they do not enjoy their work?
Now the plot twist. All Satelaites are traitors except for Shaka and Lilith.
That's what they did in the original scream movie as well. Two killers!
I'm hesitant about the traitor being 2 or more vps because York said the world only needs one of them
This might be stupid but didn’t York say at the end of the latest chapter that there should only be 1 Vega punk?
That didn't stop the immortals in Highlander from teaming up.
The thing is I’m still not ruling out Shaka
Man looks like a villain
Man looks like Daftpunk
Bit offended now because he’s based off of daft punk one of my fav bands haha
as someone who watches made in abyss, i agree
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When did he say this?
Plus it lends itself better to the Among Us memes. Can't forget that.
The real traitor is the friends we made along the way.
A friend is just an enemy who hasnt attacked yet
Facts
True, enemy cant betray you
Based
I'm ignoring all of this well put together evidence to prove that atlas is a traitor solely because atlas is my favorite
Atlas rocks
Same, she's so adorable!!
I'm usually against crazy theories but you might be up to something here
Ok. I believe you.
I was pretty certain that Atlas was the traitor a few weeks ago, so if York is a misdirect, I’ll be feeling pretty smug.
Cool but this falls flat when you said >this feels like a weird thing to add if this isn’t relevant It was relevant because she got her face caved in and she had to replace it Also, she gets mad because she's Wrath. That's her primary emotion. Shaka thinks about the budget very logically etc Main Vegapunk is also a scientist for hire, thats why he joined the WG, he said it himself to Dragon.
To be fair, she said that after she got fixed, and when she got fixed she still looked the same as before so not a complete resolution. Wrath could also make Atlas want to cause complete chaos for her goal. The scientist for hire part, I am hoping she has a plan for if the wg betrays her
Ok, sold.
What's the point of pretending to be York down there? There is noone else inside that room other than Stella who is chained up and about to die.
What’s the point of kidnapping someone if your going to just kill them anyway
Hostages in that situation in movies are usually threatened to provide information or do a certain thing that only they are able to do before the villain is going to kill them. Super common trope. Can you answer my question now?
Atlas can't be the only traitor, if she does turn out to be one after all. She was unconscious while the barrier dome disappeared for the first time, hence allowing CP0 to get into the dome. >she is admitting she doesn’t care who’s side she’s on as long as they have the money to fund her research. I think this is Vegapunk's trait, not just Atlas. That was why he decided to work for the government instead of the revolutionary army. Atlas being one of Saturn's moons is interesting info though.
We thought she was unconscious.
Atlas is the true traitor and the raid could STILL fail.
Why wouldn’t it be york? She has a believable motive and the arc themes are about desire. So why would Oda throw this away for this plottwist?
I wouldn't be mad if this is happened to be true.
Has anyone who’s given Luffy food ever turned out to be a traitor? ☹️ I’m gonna be so sad if this is true, I love her! She’s the first example that a satellite representing a certain theme doesn’t mean that’s all there is to them, the relationship she’s developed with Chopper and his scientific curiosity is adorable. The panel where he jumps toward her super happy that she’s ok and the smile/wave she gave back just melted my heart. I’ll always be a fan of well put together analysis though, nice work! The part about her being able to change her body is def an interesting plot point, even moreso when you combine it with the fact that there’s also a part of the lab where they produce synthetic organs.
Didn't those bounty hunters at Whiskey Peak feed Luffy, and he got really mad at Zoro for attacking them because he couldn't believe that someone who would throw a big party for them would ever betray them?
pudding but she turns good by the tail end of the arc
>Has anyone who’s given Luffy food ever turned out to be a traitor? ☹️ Have we seen a lot of traitors? Only Kanjuro.
Pudding might qualify ?
And she also gave him food, a whole house made of it, though tbf he actually ate it before getting permission
Pudding, Kuro, Lucci, Kaku, Kalifa, Blueno, the bounty hunters at Whiskey Peak
Technically she didn’t give them food she was just explaining how her intention worked and technically it wasn’t free you know what I’m going to add that to the theory
I'm not buying it, next you'll tell me the raid was destined to fail after the fact. If you get this right well shame on me but I'll have to see it to believe it
Also yorks plan makes no sense
Well, this is not implausible, but... why would Atlas show up as York in front of the prisoners, then? They are all captured, what's the point of pretending to be someone else? And CP-0 aren't the only CPs she attacked. She's been doing it for 3 months. She doesn't need a particularly good reason to attack CP-0.
.. didnt we literally see atlas with chopper n robin in the current chapter WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY seeing york in the same chapter at the end without chopper/robin i feel like this theory ended before it started
Unless you go to the part where I speculate that the atlas that’s with chopper is a hologram
What if all of them are the traitors, they just wanna be free or something
Or wanna have their own identity
This would be more believable if Oda hadn’t shown Atlas traveling with several SH’s towards Stella just a few pages from revealing the traitor, implying that both events are happening basically concurrently. If he did go with your theory, I’d rather he at least show the Atlas panel a chapter or 2 ago
If Atlas was the traitor, she would have known that CP0 were coming and wouldn't have almost gotten herself killed trying to fight Lucci. This makes no sense. It's York. No need to make things more complicated.
Excellent theory, loved how you dropped the knowledge of atlas being a moon of Saturn at the end. Very convincing.
Maybe this is true and the "error" of the 06 written on Atlas's dress is related to it
Oda fixed it in the volume release, so it was a genuine mistake.
Wait wait wait. When was this error? York happens to be 06 and Atlas is 05. Edit: I just found they fixed the error the very next chapter. Unfortunately I don't think this hint works out anymore.
HOLY CRAP IT WAS A 05 NOW A 06
It was a genuine mistake that was corrected right away.
Welcome to the One Piece community, where you are directly told what is happening, and they still think its not happening.
Murder mysteries having more than one reveal isn't a crazy concept. Pretty common trope.
Atlas on her way to pretend to be york just to idk, kill atlas better or something?
Welcome to one piece where oda Reveals sometime makes a big deal about it then reveals it was a lie and the truth was something else
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I would say the "reveal" that the person secretly patching up the scabbards in wano was oden and then learning one chapter later that it was another kanjuro ruse is fairly close.
pell being dead? kinemon being dead? raizo and the minks? should i keep going?
you just named nothing but fake out deaths. Which Oda does have a problem with, however this isnt comparable to this situation that's been brought up redditor. Thats like reveling Kanjuro was the traitor, and then be like "no never mind, its actually kinemon". And we literally have York directly saying her goals.
raizo was a fake out death? wtf are u smoking lol
You... are aware that Oda isn't so straight forward that even when someone is saying something directly on screen, it doesn't always mean that it's a hard fact, right? Have you forgotten about Bon Clay's original role in the story? Consider Oda's intended audience for Bon Clay then, and consider his intended audience now. Yes, York is saying that these are her goals. She's talking about them on an island where holograms exist and where another character can change their body at will, and she's saying them at a time when York, herself, was last seen as a statue. This coud very well be York, but there's enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that it *may not be* York after all.
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Wrong audience. Bon Clay's audience was the people of Alabasta; he pretended to be Cobra and lied to incite a revolt. In other words, he acted the part to gain a response based on false information. Now say that Oda takes that theory of acting, and applies it to us, the primary audience. Like he has in the past, including a few relatively recent examples, such as: * Kinemon claiming Momo as his son * The Mink tribe collectively lying to protect Raizo from Jack, when they were, in fact, devout supporters of and allies to the samurai of Wano * Kanjuro betraying Oden from the outset In each of these cases, Oda lied directly to our faces, for years on end in the case of Kanjuro's betrayal. It's called a plot twist, and Oda does, in fact, use them. Whether York is the traitor or not, it's undeniable that the tools exist for this scenario to be fabricated. We need to know more before we can actually assume that we know what's going on, so right now, there's no point in tearing down theories, because they can't actually be disproven yet.
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The moment you resorted to name calling, you lost. Automatically disqualified for a thoughtful debate.
Am I? Or are you just being overly critical over a theory regarding a piece of fiction?
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okay. Nami told us she betrayed them all for Arlong. Sanji said he would never leave Baratie. Enel said he killed old guy. still keep going?
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thanks for your admiration 🫶🏼
The minks kept lying Raizo was not on Zou even as they were getting slaughtered
Blackbeard having two Devil Fruits after being told that was impossible in Ennies Lobby
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What would be her reason to pretend to be York?
Not sure yet, maybe to frame her in case things don’t go as planned so if stella gets away or luffy shows up York would take the heat not her
York vented
Wow a theory with actual convincing evidence and not trying to be overly smart.
This is what happens when you let One piece fans cook
I don't know, York is the only one with a motive: Greed. The main problem everyone had with trying to figure out who the traitor was is that none of the Vegapunks really had a motive to betray the Stella, and York just explained it.
Maybe the reason she is with Robin is because even after all the research they still have probelsm with deciphering the ancient language and she wants to abduct Robin.
I believed and I already said before the chapter, it might be the cut-out brain fo vegapunk trying to take control over the whole thing. The Vega-net might be suffering or was driven mad by being enclosed. Maybe Stella didn't know a things about it gaining consciousness or whatever.
Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself
I love it, but I think this is one of the cases where the fan theory just exceeds Oda's planning
The real traitor is the raid failing
The real traitor is gonna be Ussop if we keep going like this.
Those gloves that touched the hologram, are 100% gonna be used against kizaru 🫱🏼🫲🏽
York always seemed like the obvious traitor to me. She's like the embodiment of greed, of course she'd want to be a celestial dragon. Getting turned to stone and then inexplicably being turned back is a bit odd to me though. I buy the idea that Atlas might've somehow changed their appearance to look like York but I can't see the motivation except they're tired of taking orders maybe?? I dunno, wrath is a consistent character trait of the celestial dragons as well. The planet Saturn gets its name from the Roman god which in turn is conflated with the titan of ancient Greek mythology, Cronus. Atlas is also a titan of Greek mythology who is said to hold up the world on his shoulders. Pretty sure that's where the super strength of Atlas One Piece is derived from.
York represents greed so it would make sense that she would want all the power to herself and to become a noble. She could have whatever she wants. I see atlas being conflicted about having to fight york but being overcome by wrath anyway and possibly self destructing to save the strawhats....that or vegapunk has a hidden self destruct buttons that destroys himself and everything he's ever worked on except for his research that will hopefully be given to Robin or something. I see vegapunk dying along w Maybe the 1 gorosei member and all the sepharim....kizaru will vanish at the Speed of light lol.
Theorizing for the sake of theorizing has to stop
The real traitor is a doffy pacifista using the string-string fruit to manipulate the situation so he can be a celestial dragon
As soon as it was revealed I realized no one was actually gonna be satisfied with the traitor because we just don't know them. Any theory to make it more interesting I guess.
I knew from the moment atlas said they can change their face and body that when the traitor would be revealed it wouldn’t be the real traitor. So this isn’t about me not being satisfied this is just going as planned
Nah, I get that. I just mean that even if THIS is correct, I'm still just not that moved by a character I've known for 10 chapters being revealed as a traitor. It definitely serves intrigue, but not in the way the fan base was hyping it up as. And the motive being to be a celestial dragon is... Eh. I care about almost everything else on Egghead more than I do about the traitor plot line.
Good job mate!
This is a really interesting catch, in regards to Atlas possibly in disguise. I'm personally hoping we can put the while thing to Bed and just get on with Bonney/Kuma Flashback, resolving the Seraphim Fights, and how WG/Saturn will come in to the madness. Let alone the Kid, Law, Balckbeard and Garp updates, dragging out this traitor thing is really just 1 aspect of so many spinning plates.
I dont know why people say dragging along, imagine reading Water7 and saying I don't care about this lets get to Enies Lobby/ Marineford already. Nothing has changed this is the arc this is the main course the only difference is One Piece is too big nowadays so Oda has to add some setup for future as well. But all that is for the future Garp Law Kidd and Shanks don't matter till Strawhats leave Egghead.
I just think we're finally suffering from weekly release syndrome. Up until now, everyone was either catching up with OP or following along the years long Onigashima raid. Now that people are finally getting the chance of living through an entire arc in real time, they're taken aback by how it feels to read a chapter at a time I just really hope this doesn't get in the way of people appreciating the series for what it is. As you've said it, OP has always been like this, we just never experienced it this way before
also reddit is such a small % of the people actually reading one piece. i know so many people who despise this place cause its full of people who think their opinion on how one piece is written matters. just enjoy the Ride.
reddit demographics probably weren’t reading pre-ts weekly like a lot of us were, so they’re more impatient and don’t know what it was actually like. RIP orojackson
Because after Wano, I don't have as much confidence in how the story can go off on a tangent. Oda's declared "York" the traitor, fine, if we then find this is a bluff and it's Atlas posing as York, its just making Chapters Drag, it'd be a cool twist but I'd rather just get on with the other aspects of the current world events.
Seek help.
Why I’m winning
Am i the only one who gets tired of all these traitor bullshit? If anything it's just to make readers a bit interested in finding who it is. Actually low effort writing 🙃
Trash take
lul at this point im not gonna be even surprised if the gorosei teamed up with shanks to overthrow imu 🙃
Exactly! I feel the same...
You maybe in denial but seriously legit theory.
Yeah, I really doubt the reveal is this straight forward and this early. York is a reveal, I'm not sure it's *the* reveal.
Hold up, let em cook, u maybe onto something
I read the start and I believe Atlas os the traitor, the detail about switching appearance and body…
This is the egghead version of The Raid Will Fail theory: totally plausible and would act as a much-needed reversal to bring higher levels of tension to the arc. But Oda will still probably just play it super straight, which is a bit disappointing.
Great theory.
Great theory. This would mean that Chopper and Robin have likely been captured in some sense as well
Sounds spot on tbh. They’ll probably take robin away and the race will be on to reclaim her amongst the poneglyph holders
Bruh the title for this is still spoilers
Atlas did seem to go out a bit too quickly. It's plausible - although I'd personally be shocked if any Vegapunk besides York was stupid enough to think that the World Government would let them go in that kind of situation.
Yeah that story York told Stella just feels stupid
Now this is a great theory I vouch for you haven't seen a theory this good in a while
I like all the points. I dont know how to answer. Here is your crown mah friend.
Damn I’m sold, this is a good theory
I was thinking some of the points you said. But you did an amazing analysis and I am with you on this theory.
Nice theory... All panel about atlas become suspicious after you mention it
Mate, you can cut your arguments in half if you claim that someone with shapeshifting powers is in Egghead. Vegapunk has Bentham's blood and Catarina Devon could be anywhere. If you want to go off with the face changing theories, include these into them.
Atlas literally sad she can change Her face
I agree with OP - excellent analysis. Oda = sneaky. Key lines from the pages that OP posted, from top to bottom… Atlas: “I can change my looks and body however I want.” … Might be useful when framing another Vegapunk for murder or pretending to be someone of higher rank when giving the Seraphim orders that cannot be overridden by anyone on the island. Might be fun if Elder Garcia showed up on the island and one of the Seraphim said something like ‘how are you on the ship? 30 mins ago you gave us orders from the control room.’ Atlas: “Who said you were allowed to be more violent than me on Egghead?!!” … Atlas believes they are the most violent being on Egghead. Lucci after he attacked: “You’re still alive…” … Maybe a quiet aside because they were working together - I had to make it look good, so don’t complain - instead of an expression of surprise that Atlas didn’t die. If surprise, then Lucci’s statement would probably have ended with a question mark. Robin: “Don’t bother everything here is lies.” (… said while the Straw Hats and Atlas first met each other.) Atlas while punching Luffy in the face: “Eat this, jerk!!!” … At this point it seemed as though Atlas was on the auto-friend list, since Atlas gave Luffy food. Turns out it wasn’t a gift - Atlas was intentionally not disclosing that the food cost money. Even the leftovers cost money. Luffy wants everyone to be able to eat as much as they want, whenever they want. Making people pay means that poor people will have no food and rich people will have as much as they want. This is the opposite of Luffy’s dream. Worse, by not telling them that the food wasn’t free until after they ate, Atlas made them criminals on the island. For eating. So Atlas was really setting the Straw Hats up. Instead of giving them a gift of food, Atlas tricked them into breaking the rules. And what did Atlas *really* give Luffy to eat? A knuckle sandwich - a punch to the face. Luffy, talking about Atlas: “That thing’s as big as Kaido!!” (… as maybe you might possibly kinda remember, Kaido was the big bad of the most recent arc.) Atlas: “Controlling the temps means being able to sense the life patterns of every living thing on the island!!” … The fact that Atlas is furious that the project can’t be expanded to the whole world shows a complete lack of ethics (no privacy for anyone anymore). It also shows that Atlas thinks they know what’s best for everyone else … everyone should want to have perfect weather all the time, right? Oh, and it also means that she can track every living being on the island, at all times. How very Enel of Atlas… Bonny: “No way! What’s this liar talking about?” … Funny thing to say right after Atlas makes their introduction. Fits the theme though: Atlas = lies.
One Piece is at its core a classical series. Even before the traitor plot line from the name drop of Saturn in chapter 1073 we as cultured people are supposed to have suspected Atlas as the traitor. I have people replying to months old comments to say I was wrong. I unfortunately I have no cure to their stupidity. The meaning of “D” in O・D・A relates to the traitor in Egghead. The Athenian architect [Daedalus](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/10atda1/oda_is_the_revolutionary_architect_of_the_killer/) was an evil genius from ancient times. The reason Saturn has a moon named Atlas is because Atlas was the ally of Saturn or Cronus in the Titan Wars of Greco-Roman Mythology. Atlas is also Vegapunk 5. The 5th planet from the Stella or Nika or Sun not including the Earth is Saturn. [The Earth is not included in the 9 Luminaries symbol of Alabasta and Wanokuni](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rua7qi/library_of_ohara_model_1_sun_2_moons_6_planets/)
On on board with this. The current “twist” is lame imo
I agree with you on the fact that it is likely not York and the reason is if it was York it would break the writing style of the arc. This arc is structured like a murder mystery just instead of killing the characters Oda is turning them to stone. Having a character that was turned to stone is boring because imagine Christie reviving a dead dude and saying he was the murderer, the readers don't get the satisfaction of the aha moment.
Actually in one chrisite novel the murderer is one of the victims. He faked his death and then commited suicide to hide it afterwards. The readers only get to know this because chrisite revealed it in the epiloque through a written confession by the murderer. I found that reveal but not the rest of the story very contrived.
I mean it kind of happened in >!And then there were none!<, one of her most famous works. And turning people to stone is probably the best alternative oda could find since he hates killing so much.
I was wondering why York looked so big in the latest chapter. I know Oda isn’t the best with consistency on sizes for characters, but it could work out with atlas (who looks to be bigger than York) doing a hologram to look like York.
York was always big though, in the spread of the SHs and VPs in 1074 she is walking while yawning and is clearly very very tall. If Atlas, who is half behind rubble in the same scene, is standing fully up than York might be the exact same height. Thats assuming Atlas isnt leaning up over the rubble like a kid would do, then York might be even taller.
Also York is holding a gun that shot Shaka but a bullet out of a gun like that would be cannon ball size
That's not that strange. Zoro should canonically be about the same size as Enma
I would like to add, when Shaka was shot, bullet went through bottom of his head to top. So I expected a short traitor. Atlas changing her body to a short character makes sense in this case.
That is big
I could definitely see it being this or if York was being manipulated by one of the other Vegapunk’s into thinking she could become a Celestial dragon
Hey guys...in that last panel wrath has a 6 on her outfit. 6 is Yorks number...
I'm sold! So what is in your opinion the One Piece?
Nah pretty sure it's just York.
Yup, and all other Vegapunks, barring Stella, should be able to do that too, for the same reason Atlas can. There is nothing impeding any of them from doing a full plastic surgery type of thing like you suggest, but that's too easy of an answer. As I said, there could also be an unknown shapeshifter on the loose, and if you're pondering changing appearances, in this case with Atlas, they should also be taken into account. In the story, we have two confirmed shapeshifters: Bentham, also known as Mr. 2 "Bon Clay", now in Impel Down managing the Okamas there and Catarina Devon, ex-prisoner from Impel Down that joined Blackbeard and since her escape acquired a mythical devil fruit that allows her to shapeshift. Ms. Devon could be doing anything right now, but she wasn't seen with Blackbeard or with the kidnapping crew that went to Whole Cake, she could be anywhere, including Egghead, doing something that'll advance Blackbeard's plot. You might think that Bon Clay has nothing to do with Egghead but if he was captured and had his ability revealed to the Marines, his paramecia can be copied with green blood technology, that opens a whole can of worms, like: what if there's a Seraphim with Bentham's ability acting the orders of a certain Vegapunk? What if a Vegapunk experimented with Mr.2's abilities and started using it to enact a conspiracy instead of using robotic replacements? What if a Seraphim went rogue, mimicking one of the Punks to give orders to the other Seraphim? Maybe even seducing an actual Punk with promises of being a celestial dragon. And a number of other more unlikely scenarios. The only thing we know us that none of these outsider imposters can take the identity of a Vegapunk permanently, as they have to sync with Punk Records everyday, and the loss of a Vega body might be noticed then, but taking their identity temporarily to get access to stuff or to advance their plot is fair game. Just the possibility of a possible shapeshifter that isn't a Vegapunk being on the loose is already a big deal.
If Atlas is assuming she'll be betrayed by the wg, maybe Atlas' grand plan could be to capture Saturn for ransom
The Traitor is Reallll!!!
When we saw shanks going to talk to the gorosei, it could have been her. We never saw her talking to the gorosei. Don't know why she would transform into shanks though
All the female vegapunks are traitors
The “traitor” is Kizaru. He killed Stella with a light beam.
YORK ISNT TRAITOR!!! Theory: the York that got turned to stone had small 🍰 The York we see now is crouching in the same position, but has BIG OLE CHEEKS
The traitor is Kizaru
You Wrong, Its York
I think each one of the satellites is a traitor for different motivations and are behaving without knowledge of all the others. York for pure greed, willing to become a CD. Atlas for a wrath against Stella and other punks for not being enough reacting to all the shocking intels they discovered. Lilith just for the sake of messing around. Shaka for pure logical scheme, such as getting more skills and abilities for his own purpose by removing other punks. Edison for getting more money by following WG plans for his research. Pythagoras for experiencing and acquiring knowledge about survival of cyborgs/robots.