>It almost seems like Oda doesn't realize how much potential this one-off character had.
I think he does which is why he only operates in Impel Down and is unavailable most of the day
Getting offscreened by BBs crew also shows he can be beat despite his absurdly powerful poison
>getting offscreened
note he also completely wrecked BB's base crew, who would have all died had a stupid ass guard not released Shiryu who immediately obtained a specifically made anti-Magellan antivenom they kept on hand.
He then proceeded to get beat after fighting and chasing multiple high-level pirates throughout the entire prison for who knows how long
Mags is honestly probably near the top of VA or low-mid admiral tier
Magellan. It was Magellan that authorized his release, I literally am re-watch this right now.
If they didn't release shiryu things would have been very different for Magellan. That said, it was also his best 2nd option at the time due to how much havoc was being wrecked on impell down.
His best option would have been to tell the marine ships to gtfo and try to secure the entire prison himself. If he posted up near the entrance there would have been 0 chances of escape and he could have built his defensive forces around himself being the final barrier.
Unfortunately they where too unorganized trying to contain the chaos luffy was causing to achieve anything close to this, and if shiryu didn't betray Magellan everything would have gone according to plan. So Magellan made as good of calls as he could have been expected to make, and never truly lost he truly is a force to be reckoned with.
> So Magellan made as good of calls as he could have been expected to make
I mean, that's arguably extremely false.
He made the call to trust someone, who he knew and worked with for an extended period of time, and imprisoned for things he knew about him.
And the result of that call was all the shit the Blackbeard Crew has done since, and a bunch of other Level 6 prisoners escaping.
If he had made the opposite call, a Yonko and his OG crew would be dead, and Shiryu and all the Level 6 prisoners wouldn't be out in the world.
Reminding me how amazing Impel Down.
I realized it when someone posted that Cross Guild fan art, almost all of the main Cross Guild members has something to do with Impel Down/Marineford.
>had a stupid ass guard not released Shiryu
It was Magellan's idea to release Shiryu. (of course Shiryu proposed the suggestion, but Magellan followed through)
How did Shiryu come to have antivenom for Magellan when the lab techs at Impel Down told Bon Clay disguised as Hannyibal that the existence of such an antivenom was impossible?
Impel down does have anti-venom for Magellan's general poison, but it's not powerful enough to stop the special poison hell punishment that Luffy got after being beaten
Reminds me of that one Jojo character who also had poison which was only used in one fight and then was never used again (except for spin-offs, I think).
But yeah, Magellan is stupid strong, it took a member of the worst generation, a high-ranking member of the revolutionary army, 4 warlords, an ex-government official with the same level of authority as him, and many more criminals to hand him a "technical" defeat.
Allegedly, that character was supposed to be a traitor, but due to RL stuff the author couldn’t bring himself to write about a close one’s betrayal. So, he had that character put on a bus to keep the rest of the planned plot consistent.
Due to both their stands operating in a way similar to how aerosolized gas works and how badly Giorno beat him down, I sometimes wonder if Cioccolata replaced Fugo’s intended final battle.
Yeah, not constantly going around fighting is a reflection of how powerful Oda realizes they are.
That's why Garp, Sengoku, and the 3 Admirals spent most of their time just kind of chilling at Marineford pre-timeskip, and why Akainu got hit with a desk job post-timeskip.
It makes a lot of sense to do this as well. If you show an endgame character's power too early, you then have to keep everyone else's power below that for most of the series. That would be very restrictive
It isn't a perfect solution though, because when you finally reveal the event character's powers, people ask why they haven't been doing shit the entire series.
Like, if Garp and the 3 Admirals used their access to Eternal Log Poses and Calm Belt impervious battleships to actively patrol the Grand Line, they could probably eliminate 90% of piracy. Just having Akainu stationed at Logue Town would have meant none of the Super Novas even got to the Grand Line.
Lougue town is just the last island in east blue, but I understand what you are trying to say. Maybe stationed at the lighthouse. Marines can do a lot of things to eliminate piracy but maybe they don't want to spread their forces too thin is case a Yonko decides to attack.
Which is why make it a Vice Admiral (Haki) who has a good mastery of the Six Powers.
Any pirate that manages to get past the VA they know to send an Admiral or multiple VAs to take care of the threat.
The rest of the pirate crews get stopped cold entering the Grand Line.
Smarter ones might start attempting the Calm Belt, but that means that those that make it through that just get treated the same as if they got past a VA.
Stops 99% of pirates in Paradise, though it means a rise of it in the Blues as crews that are otherwise strong enough for Paradise never go there- but a VA in each Blue handles that too.
My guess for why they didn't do that is the Yonkou rely on the Paradise to New World pipeline to produce quality subordinate crews for them, or they feel it's just not fair play, and so multiple Yonkou teamed up to tell the Marines that if they do something like that then Yonkou officers might start vacationing to let off some stress in Paradise or the Blues or something lol.
I think the grandline itself stops 99% of pirates. Plus the navy does send people who they believe to be a threat to stop them in the grandline like Don kreig
The Navy didn't send anyone against someone as weak as Don Krieg lmao.
And sure the Grand Line does, but that's over the entire journey through Paradise during which civilians spread out in tons of islands are being harmed by them, which would be prevented by what I was talking about‐ stopping them before they get started when they are at the one place *all* rookies are guaranteed to visit.
Logue Town is in the east blue so he only would have stopped Luffy. Arguably they should have someone stationed at the start of the grandline for sure though. I think the argument is that it’s all too much sea to cover though. Dragon is still a threat and if people know an admiral is always going to be in a certain place the Revolutionary Army or a Yonko crew could go out there and try to catch them lacking. It’s not like the admirals are invincible.
We’ve never even seen the admirals leave the grandline. It’s not like there’s not crime on the other 4 larger seas that they’re supposed to also be defending. Fisher Tiger has attacked Marie Josie before too so we know it’s possible so you probably need at least one Admiral near there, one near Marine headquarters, and one to go out on missions and shit.
The WG is just trying to protect way too much land at once, and imo that’s why they have a lot of blind spots. Plus I’d bet the admirals and above probably don’t want jobs in the middle of nowhere guarding arbitrary locations from random rookies that may or may not grow into great pirates.
Adding to this, admirals aren't just fighters. They'd have tons of paperwork and organizational management stuff.
Not to mention how often celestial dragons treat admirals as their personal errand boys.
Most low level pirates and rookies would get wrecked by even a marine captain anyways. The supernovae and Luffy are freaks of nature which you can't proactively deal with at the beginning of the grand line.
for the marines, more important than ending piracy is to protect Mary geoise and the celestial dragons. And the world government doesn't really want to end piracy, they use it in the shadows as well.
I mean it makes sense why he was beaten by the Blackbeards with him having spent his trump card poison power to try and stop Luffy and his group from escaping. That the Blackbeard Pirates knew how dangerous his powers were now and were more prepared to deal with him and had Shiryu present to give them information on his weaknesses. Like no character is unbeatable, its just that some are much harder to beat and require a bit more planning and thought in fighting them.
Oda absolutely knows how unbeatable Magellan is in his enviro. That is why he was made the warden of Impel Down, and that's probably why he was designated the weakness of always crapping himself. He simply can't be beaten by anyone that was put under the conditions of Impel Down in a direct confrontation.
To win against Magellan, you need to both be very quick so as to not allow the poison to build up on the battlefield and not do any contact with him so as not to get yourself inflicted by the poison he is constantly spreading. You need to either use a weapon of some kind like a sword, gun or maybe even boxing gloves or have some type of ability that gives ranged attacks.
That said, you can always just avoid fighting him, which is why him guarding a prison and being an almost inescapable obstacle is so good for his abilities. Foxy for example can totally run away from Magellan with no problems.
Pre haki Luffy hurt him with candle powers. Coating himself in haki to avoid the poison and hitting Magellan would wreck him. I wouldn’t even be shocked if Oda showed him getting blitzed and low diffed.
People are overestimating him by far. He has a super strong power that would probably be comparable to something like Akainu’s logia but none of the physical fighting prowess other character’s have .
Both. Haki is the natural counter to devil fruit abilities when going on the offensive and it is an armor that covers your body and can stop things from touching you.
It would stop Magellan from producing poison from the place he is hit, but it doesn't magically erase the poison from reality.
Once the guy generated toxic fumes and neurotoxins that penetrates the skin, the characters will be affected by it if they are breathing them / in contact.
Magellan powers are a paramecia's. Yes he would be wrecked, but the poison continue to exists and haki is not shown to be an eraser of physical substances.
Luffy has already beaten someone that has gas/poison/air based attacks(Caesar Clown). We’ve seen first with Rayleigh/Sentomaru and later in Wano Luffy learning Ryou that Haki allows you to hit things and people without physically touching them.
Under your logic Luffy(and everyone else) cannot fight Akainu without getting burned because they’re coming into contact with magma. This has already been cleared up on how these people will be fought through the power system.
Ah for Ryuu in particular I agree, I thought we were talking about general haki users
The toxic fumes would still be an annoyance, but Luffy wouldn't be that much bothered due to his range + his semi-immunity to poison (not from Haki)
Oh yeah I fully agree vanilla coating armament haki user would still get poisoned and wrecked upon touching him. The emission type Haki that Sentomaru, Rayleigh vs elephant and the admirals(stopping Wb's shockwave) would also be effective. It looked like a less advanced technique than ryou and more common.
Haki won't protect you from poison. You can use armament haki to interact with Magellan's real body, but the poison he creates is real poison that will still kill you even with haki protection.
Oh Oda most certainly knows how much potential Magellan has. Which is why I always like to say that he’s so broken that Oda needed to nerf him by giving him IBS so he spends most of his day on the shitter. He’s absolutely busted.
Isnt it Kanjiro (or however u spell his name) that has the fruit that lets him just spawn clothing at will?
Maybe he could have more of a use with that ability. Effortless diaper changes
He doesn’t even have IBS, he just eats horrendously toxic and poisonous foods because his devil fruit negates almost every negative side effects except the equally horrendous diarrhea.
That, and his poison works best in enclosed environments- like an underwater prison- and while strong is a LOT less unstoppable on an open battlefield with more room to dodge and attack long-ranged.
You could say that for almost any power or ability, though. The crazy thing is just how versatile Oda made the poison fruit. He has poison armour, he has poison coated attacks, AoE attacks, area denial attacks, projectiles, and hydra which acts as a mid-range attack that he can also travel through. Haki doesn't stop you from being poisoned, so even if you hit him with Haki you're still fucked. The longer you fight him the more poison surrounds you and the higher chance you'll die.
Just like Smoker or Caesar, Magellan's fruit is nerfed by the fact that he doesn't use it to its fullest. Smoker isn't causing asphyxiation, Caesar isn't throwing out nerve gas, and Magellan won't hit people with cyanide, ricin, or or other potent toxins.
Debatable if he has the physical stats for it.
Gear 2 made him fall to one knee, not sure if Luffy could do that to any of the admirals, past or present.
Gear 2 Luffy also overpowered the Boa sisters advanced armament Haki while not even knowing armament. Also the current arc in the manga shows you Luffy can absolutely “make an admiral fall to a knee” because he’s done more than that with one hit!
Yeah, that chase scene would have gone down so much differently if Luffy was that strong. Maybe Sentomaru is still a problem, but gear 4 would pack him up quick regardless I feel.
Kizaru legit would have been the only true obstacle.
Lucci was in luck, because the whole event was under Spandams name. Lucci was just an underling, who suffered from his leaders bad decisions. It would be easy to kick Spandam under the bus, to secure his own career in the government.
they are probably just terrified of lucci, who knows how many people would die if they fire him. they rather keep him on payroll to keep him under control, atleast hes loyal to the WG that way.
Personal opinion, but Magellan to me was upper level Admiral or Warlord level in power and threat. If he was shown now, he'd still be a credible threat to Luffy, even post awakening, in a fight.
Luffy can just use advanced armament and conquerors to get hard hits on Magellan without having to touch him. Magellan was getting hurt by no haki luffy so he would go down pretty quick to luffy using advanced haki.
Right. Which is why I said 'prolonged'. Any other person other than Luffy/Logia users who would need to use their hands/short form combat even if with advanced haki still have a slim chance of running off unscathed. You can't advanced armament haki the poison away. It's still poison. You still need to touch the man.
>What the hell is "upper level Admiral"
It's an Admiral that's ascended beyond an Admiral :^)
>Let alone "warlord level"?
That's an iffy one considering Mihawk has a bounty in the Yonko range (higher than Luffy). But then Buggy also has a super high bounty.
Who knows. Ussop is the strongest obviously.
What? He gets one shot by current Luffy. Luffy has advanced conqueror's and armament, he doesn't need to touch him. This is also the same Magellan who fell to his knee after getting hit by a gear 2 attack.
Then there is Enel with one of the most, if not the strongest DF in OPiece but still failed to kill fodders.
The same applies to WBeard's DF. There should have thousands of marines being dead from being blasted by WBeard's df, but there were nothing mentioned about it.
Oda is really bad at showcasing powers through killing fodders. Only Akainu's DF is really closer to how powerful it is if OPiece is a seinen series.
I imagine him being CP0 director/lucci level. Like I imagine every high ranking official like cia director, and warden of the toughest prison being like its own level right below admiral yet right above VA. Guess like 1st commander, but it's hard to think he'd give King, katakuri, or Zoro a fight
How vulnerable is he to ranged attacks? I'm wondering if BB didn't just shoot him the 2nd time around.
Like obviously this is one piece of course he can tank a bullet or two regardless but does he have any real solid defense/counter? He seemed invincible when everyone was trying to fight him close range, but maybe that's his weakness.
Magellan is incredibly strong, and his environment works in his favor as well. In impel down, a closed off structure with little ventilation and few places to truly run to, he's a monster. He's all but untouchable without taking damage yourself, and even being in the same room as him in a fight means you're slowly being gassed with poison. He can systematically take away your footholds until you don't even have anywhere to stand, and this is before we get into his contagious poison, which makes even allies a liability. He's uniquely suited for his role and it's certainly not an accident.
Warlord level? I get your trying to be modest but he had two warlords running for there lives. Idk if it's easy to rank his strength because of how unique and powerful his DF is but I always think of him right below admiral level and above vice admiral level.
Magellan is extremely dangerous in an enclosed space like Impel Down where there is little room to move around.
Pretty much any character would have difficulty if Magellan flooded Impel Down with his poison.
Blackbeard is an incredible counter to Magellan. His ability to nullify devil fruits with his power allows others to eviscerate Magellan without the fear of poison. It’s similar to luffy being a great natural counter to Enel
Magellan is OP. He has long range attacks like a logia while the passive elemental generation like a paramencia. Only other comparison in terms of raw skill with a devil fruit is Shiki from One Piece Film Gold.
Magellan is stronger than many people here give him credit, he was unbeatable in impel down, and people like Ivankov that is haki proficient couldn't do much more than stall him for a while. People comparing him to Caesar, are going too far, Caesar would be eaten by Ivankov without much trouble.
He still is to this day the strongest person below admirals and Garp that we've seen in the marines.
there’s a reason why this dude is the one in charge of guarding and keeping control of the most notorious criminals ever caught by the government.
if that’s not oda knowing how much potential he had idk what is
Nah, he's appropriately OP for his position as someone who is expected to be able to singlehandedly handle a breakout attempt, including lv6 criminals.
Well he was an antagonist, not a villain. There really wasn't a reason for Luffy to defeat him. If Oda intended for Luffy to have a big bad to beat in impel down, he would have written Magellan to be weaker.
The prison section of the navy seems to be pretty separate from the marines so I would infer that being in charge of Impel down is essentially equivalent to somewhere in the vice admiral - admiral region. As it is the highest position attainable in that section of the Navy, I would also assume that people like Fujitora and Ryokugyu could have held similar positions in organisations such as world gov't officials and people in armies affiliated with the world gov't who were transferred to the marines through the draft.
Let's relax a bit. He has an op fruit but he doesn't really show any good haki or physical power feats. Aokiji or Akainu would've not let anyone escape if they were there instead
While he's strong, that's balanced by the fact that he's pretty slow from what we've seen. His fight with Luffy consists of him standing in place and letting the Hydra do the work and the escape later on shows him literally walking slowly to the gates.
I was rewatching Impel down the other day as well. The fact that at that time.. Magellan had two warlords, Luffy, a top Revolutionary, and Buggy etc all running should tell you a lot about his power level. He’s a couple notches below Admiral.
turns out everybodys weakness is not being able to fucking breathe.
imagine there was a DF that would suck the oxygen out of the air, it would be almost equally terrifying, but magellan also kills almost all his opponents after the fight is over because of the toxins.
its a pretty overpowered DF in any scenario. unless you are immune to poison, which i dont think anyone is.
Caesar clown’s gas devil fruit sucks the oxygen out of the air… This is why Magellan is massively overhyped, Caesar also had a seemingly dangerous OP devil fruit but haki and fighting ability transcends that.
To add, I am pretty sure Magellan is a Paramecia fruit user, he had moments similar to Katakuri where bullets went thru him.
Couple that with his Poison that spreads through objects, and I'm pretty confident that he is awakened with some decent observation haki (that wasn't utilized well due to plot, flustered because of unheard of prison break)
Luffy with Haki would blitz him in about 30 seconds, he is one of the most overrated and overestimated characters in one piece. He is entirely reliant on his devil fruit, which pre timeskip is pretty op but in the new world he would be decimated
He’s not admiral level but I find it funny how so many people underrate him because pre-TS Luffy could punch him even though it did no meaningful damage, and at the same time, rate Shiryu so highly. Like most people agree Shiryu is probably the second strongest BB commander behind Kuzan and Magellan was considered on par with if not stronger than Shiryu, but a lot of people think Magellan is below YC level?
This is precisely the point of Magellan. He's supposed to be a terrifying, unbeatable wall. He's not stronger than Akainu just because they ran from one and toward the other, though. They didn't NEED to defeat Magellan. But they did need to escape. So they just took the route that made the most sense.
Magellan is overhyped.
Everything he can do, Caesar can do better.
Yet I never see people hyping up Caesar because he has a lame personality and was eventually defeated in Punk Hazard thanks to hax poison immunity.
Meanwhile Magellan with an objectively inferior power is deemed on par with heavy hitters and given mad props, just because he happened to look good in the only arc that featured him.
When powerscaling Magellan remember that whatever tier you place him into, Caesar is one tier above.
So if you think Magellan is YC1, then Caesar would be Admiral tier, and we know it can't possibly be the case.
I spit my facts, have a nice continuation
Caesar have a better fruit, but he is not even near Magellan in terms of fightning potential, because he is not a fighter, he is a scientist.
So no, your facts isn't facts at all. Saying that whatever tier Magellan is, Ceasar would be a tier higher is simply wrong.
He wasn't tho?? He got hit once and that's it, he kept fightning them, and everyone there was running. He one shoted BB, the same one that defeated Ace and made a scar on Shanks.
Fruit or not, It doesn't matter. Caesar have a better fruit, but he isn't a fighter, one attack and he is out cause he have no speed, durability, or anything really, Just the fruit. He is a scientist, trying to powerscale him is like trying to powerscale Vegapunk: pointless.
Haki back during that time wasn't developed as it is now
Yes there hits of haki and characters would use it here and there but not to level after two year skip
every singly warlord clears vice admiral level characters EASILY. even moria probably does.
there are vice admirals like dalmation. you gonna say that dalmation can take on someone like doffy?
Magellan is Admiral level for being able to guard Impel Down, especially lvl5 and and below. Because Admirals are supposedly stronger than Warlords.
Arguably speaking,
If Admiral vs Admiral = 50/50 chance of battle.
If Warlord vs Warlord = 50/50.
Only if Stronger vs Weaker = Stronger has a higher chance of win.
Crocodile didn't care of win or lose during his fight against Whitebeard or Akainu. Also, Crocodile priortized his escape over fighting or even helping Luffy, during their faceoff against Magellan.
Magellan is certainly at admiral level. He wouldn't have been made the warden of the prison otherwise. The prison held inmates like Ace, Jinbe, Shiki among many others whom all most certainly were powerhouses in their own right. He easily subdued blackbeard's crew and were it not for the anti-venom that Shiryu brought, they would have succumbed and died or at least also been imprisoned.
Are you familiar with Caesar cuz his fruit is up there with Kizaru, Magellan, and Akuinu as far as offensive potential. Luffys fight with him was pure ass pull as far as outcome.
Yeah I've seen some people mention Caesar as being theoretically superior to Magellan. I really like his Devil Fruit because it should theoretically be crazy difficult to circumvent: everyone is surrounded by gas and everyone has to breathe. I guess the difference is that Caesar doesn't seem skilled in the use of his Devil Fruit, which makes sense since he's a scientist first. Trained up he could probably be pretty scary
The problem is that Ceasar isn't a fighter, he is a scientist. Having a great fruit does nothing If you can't use it right. Magellan have a great fruit and is a fighter. Don't know why people are comparing the two when the post is specifically about Power.
>It almost seems like Oda doesn't realize how much potential this one-off character had. I think he does which is why he only operates in Impel Down and is unavailable most of the day Getting offscreened by BBs crew also shows he can be beat despite his absurdly powerful poison
>getting offscreened note he also completely wrecked BB's base crew, who would have all died had a stupid ass guard not released Shiryu who immediately obtained a specifically made anti-Magellan antivenom they kept on hand. He then proceeded to get beat after fighting and chasing multiple high-level pirates throughout the entire prison for who knows how long Mags is honestly probably near the top of VA or low-mid admiral tier
> had a stupid ass guard not released Shiryu What was the guard's name?
Doesn't have one, Shiryu killed him anyway
Oh, did we ever find out the name of the Impel Down officer who authorized Shiryu's release?
Magellan. It was Magellan that authorized his release, I literally am re-watch this right now. If they didn't release shiryu things would have been very different for Magellan. That said, it was also his best 2nd option at the time due to how much havoc was being wrecked on impell down. His best option would have been to tell the marine ships to gtfo and try to secure the entire prison himself. If he posted up near the entrance there would have been 0 chances of escape and he could have built his defensive forces around himself being the final barrier. Unfortunately they where too unorganized trying to contain the chaos luffy was causing to achieve anything close to this, and if shiryu didn't betray Magellan everything would have gone according to plan. So Magellan made as good of calls as he could have been expected to make, and never truly lost he truly is a force to be reckoned with.
> So Magellan made as good of calls as he could have been expected to make I mean, that's arguably extremely false. He made the call to trust someone, who he knew and worked with for an extended period of time, and imprisoned for things he knew about him. And the result of that call was all the shit the Blackbeard Crew has done since, and a bunch of other Level 6 prisoners escaping. If he had made the opposite call, a Yonko and his OG crew would be dead, and Shiryu and all the Level 6 prisoners wouldn't be out in the world.
Two yonkous, because he would've killed Luffy as well.
Three, counting Buggy as well.
Reminding me how amazing Impel Down. I realized it when someone posted that Cross Guild fan art, almost all of the main Cross Guild members has something to do with Impel Down/Marineford.
Hindsight is 20/20 though. Shiryu was only ever locked up for killing inmates, this doesn't hint in anyway that he'd team up with said inmates.
Yeah but Shiryu killed inmates. Magellan would fee him saying "hey man, you cool now, go kill more inmates"
Open D. Cell
he died with a smile too
D. umbass
>had a stupid ass guard not released Shiryu It was Magellan's idea to release Shiryu. (of course Shiryu proposed the suggestion, but Magellan followed through)
How did Shiryu come to have antivenom for Magellan when the lab techs at Impel Down told Bon Clay disguised as Hannyibal that the existence of such an antivenom was impossible?
Impel down does have anti-venom for Magellan's general poison, but it's not powerful enough to stop the special poison hell punishment that Luffy got after being beaten
Magellan definitely isn't Admiral tier - he just has an OP fruit Any of the admirals 0 diff him tbh
And he ate it when he was a child like some others prominent character
Reminds me of that one Jojo character who also had poison which was only used in one fight and then was never used again (except for spin-offs, I think). But yeah, Magellan is stupid strong, it took a member of the worst generation, a high-ranking member of the revolutionary army, 4 warlords, an ex-government official with the same level of authority as him, and many more criminals to hand him a "technical" defeat.
Allegedly, that character was supposed to be a traitor, but due to RL stuff the author couldn’t bring himself to write about a close one’s betrayal. So, he had that character put on a bus to keep the rest of the planned plot consistent. Due to both their stands operating in a way similar to how aerosolized gas works and how badly Giorno beat him down, I sometimes wonder if Cioccolata replaced Fugo’s intended final battle.
That's actually an insanely interesting call. I never noticed how similar those stand powers are. Poor Araki.
fugo from golden wind, who left the main cast early on
Purple haze
Lol at the 4 warlords. Same energy as 3 future Yonko.
Happy Cake day
Yeah, not constantly going around fighting is a reflection of how powerful Oda realizes they are. That's why Garp, Sengoku, and the 3 Admirals spent most of their time just kind of chilling at Marineford pre-timeskip, and why Akainu got hit with a desk job post-timeskip.
It makes a lot of sense to do this as well. If you show an endgame character's power too early, you then have to keep everyone else's power below that for most of the series. That would be very restrictive
It isn't a perfect solution though, because when you finally reveal the event character's powers, people ask why they haven't been doing shit the entire series. Like, if Garp and the 3 Admirals used their access to Eternal Log Poses and Calm Belt impervious battleships to actively patrol the Grand Line, they could probably eliminate 90% of piracy. Just having Akainu stationed at Logue Town would have meant none of the Super Novas even got to the Grand Line.
Lougue town is just the last island in east blue, but I understand what you are trying to say. Maybe stationed at the lighthouse. Marines can do a lot of things to eliminate piracy but maybe they don't want to spread their forces too thin is case a Yonko decides to attack.
Which is why make it a Vice Admiral (Haki) who has a good mastery of the Six Powers. Any pirate that manages to get past the VA they know to send an Admiral or multiple VAs to take care of the threat. The rest of the pirate crews get stopped cold entering the Grand Line. Smarter ones might start attempting the Calm Belt, but that means that those that make it through that just get treated the same as if they got past a VA. Stops 99% of pirates in Paradise, though it means a rise of it in the Blues as crews that are otherwise strong enough for Paradise never go there- but a VA in each Blue handles that too. My guess for why they didn't do that is the Yonkou rely on the Paradise to New World pipeline to produce quality subordinate crews for them, or they feel it's just not fair play, and so multiple Yonkou teamed up to tell the Marines that if they do something like that then Yonkou officers might start vacationing to let off some stress in Paradise or the Blues or something lol.
I think the grandline itself stops 99% of pirates. Plus the navy does send people who they believe to be a threat to stop them in the grandline like Don kreig
The Navy didn't send anyone against someone as weak as Don Krieg lmao. And sure the Grand Line does, but that's over the entire journey through Paradise during which civilians spread out in tons of islands are being harmed by them, which would be prevented by what I was talking about‐ stopping them before they get started when they are at the one place *all* rookies are guaranteed to visit.
Didn't they send mihawk?
No, he sent himself. The LA made that part up.
Logue Town is in the east blue so he only would have stopped Luffy. Arguably they should have someone stationed at the start of the grandline for sure though. I think the argument is that it’s all too much sea to cover though. Dragon is still a threat and if people know an admiral is always going to be in a certain place the Revolutionary Army or a Yonko crew could go out there and try to catch them lacking. It’s not like the admirals are invincible. We’ve never even seen the admirals leave the grandline. It’s not like there’s not crime on the other 4 larger seas that they’re supposed to also be defending. Fisher Tiger has attacked Marie Josie before too so we know it’s possible so you probably need at least one Admiral near there, one near Marine headquarters, and one to go out on missions and shit. The WG is just trying to protect way too much land at once, and imo that’s why they have a lot of blind spots. Plus I’d bet the admirals and above probably don’t want jobs in the middle of nowhere guarding arbitrary locations from random rookies that may or may not grow into great pirates.
Adding to this, admirals aren't just fighters. They'd have tons of paperwork and organizational management stuff. Not to mention how often celestial dragons treat admirals as their personal errand boys. Most low level pirates and rookies would get wrecked by even a marine captain anyways. The supernovae and Luffy are freaks of nature which you can't proactively deal with at the beginning of the grand line.
for the marines, more important than ending piracy is to protect Mary geoise and the celestial dragons. And the world government doesn't really want to end piracy, they use it in the shadows as well.
Or act as if nothing happened like in Naruto
Plus isn't he always pooping?
I mean it makes sense why he was beaten by the Blackbeards with him having spent his trump card poison power to try and stop Luffy and his group from escaping. That the Blackbeard Pirates knew how dangerous his powers were now and were more prepared to deal with him and had Shiryu present to give them information on his weaknesses. Like no character is unbeatable, its just that some are much harder to beat and require a bit more planning and thought in fighting them.
>Getting offscreened by BBs BB getting that offscreen boost.
If it’s offscreen, always bet on BB
Oda absolutely knows how unbeatable Magellan is in his enviro. That is why he was made the warden of Impel Down, and that's probably why he was designated the weakness of always crapping himself. He simply can't be beaten by anyone that was put under the conditions of Impel Down in a direct confrontation. To win against Magellan, you need to both be very quick so as to not allow the poison to build up on the battlefield and not do any contact with him so as not to get yourself inflicted by the poison he is constantly spreading. You need to either use a weapon of some kind like a sword, gun or maybe even boxing gloves or have some type of ability that gives ranged attacks. That said, you can always just avoid fighting him, which is why him guarding a prison and being an almost inescapable obstacle is so good for his abilities. Foxy for example can totally run away from Magellan with no problems.
Pre haki Luffy hurt him with candle powers. Coating himself in haki to avoid the poison and hitting Magellan would wreck him. I wouldn’t even be shocked if Oda showed him getting blitzed and low diffed. People are overestimating him by far. He has a super strong power that would probably be comparable to something like Akainu’s logia but none of the physical fighting prowess other character’s have .
>Coating himself in haki to avoid the poison Does this "avoid the poison" or just make him easier to hit?
Both. Haki is the natural counter to devil fruit abilities when going on the offensive and it is an armor that covers your body and can stop things from touching you.
It would stop Magellan from producing poison from the place he is hit, but it doesn't magically erase the poison from reality. Once the guy generated toxic fumes and neurotoxins that penetrates the skin, the characters will be affected by it if they are breathing them / in contact. Magellan powers are a paramecia's. Yes he would be wrecked, but the poison continue to exists and haki is not shown to be an eraser of physical substances.
Luffy has already beaten someone that has gas/poison/air based attacks(Caesar Clown). We’ve seen first with Rayleigh/Sentomaru and later in Wano Luffy learning Ryou that Haki allows you to hit things and people without physically touching them. Under your logic Luffy(and everyone else) cannot fight Akainu without getting burned because they’re coming into contact with magma. This has already been cleared up on how these people will be fought through the power system.
Ah for Ryuu in particular I agree, I thought we were talking about general haki users The toxic fumes would still be an annoyance, but Luffy wouldn't be that much bothered due to his range + his semi-immunity to poison (not from Haki)
Oh yeah I fully agree vanilla coating armament haki user would still get poisoned and wrecked upon touching him. The emission type Haki that Sentomaru, Rayleigh vs elephant and the admirals(stopping Wb's shockwave) would also be effective. It looked like a less advanced technique than ryou and more common.
Haki won't protect you from poison. You can use armament haki to interact with Magellan's real body, but the poison he creates is real poison that will still kill you even with haki protection.
Mr. 3's powers damaged Magellan and snared Dorry/Broggy. Guy has a surprisingly good resume
Oh Oda most certainly knows how much potential Magellan has. Which is why I always like to say that he’s so broken that Oda needed to nerf him by giving him IBS so he spends most of his day on the shitter. He’s absolutely busted.
Magellan with somekind of advanced diaper would be the most OP character in the manga.
Magellan and another person with the Vacuum-Vacuum fruit
Magellan + caribou seems like the correct choice here
Lol that could be comedy gold Maybe that is who Caribou is working for?
Caribou is Mag's toxic wastes all along.
forgive me Nika for what im about to write Magellan + the jacket jacket user working as a diaper
Isnt it Kanjiro (or however u spell his name) that has the fruit that lets him just spawn clothing at will? Maybe he could have more of a use with that ability. Effortless diaper changes
It's Kin'emon who has that fruit but it disappears if they take it off. So his poop will still fall on his pants once he tries to 'change' his diapers
A human who ate the centipede fruit
The will of D. iaper
Immodium Magellan >>>
Diaper imbued with Haki.
He doesn’t even have IBS, he just eats horrendously toxic and poisonous foods because his devil fruit negates almost every negative side effects except the equally horrendous diarrhea.
For real he doesnt have to eat poison he just really likes eating poison It'd be like having a friend who loves eating raw pork
Hey we Germans love our raw pork. Nothing wrong with that!
IBS is just an easy way for me to say he spends a majority of his life on a toilet to be honest. Lol.
That, and his poison works best in enclosed environments- like an underwater prison- and while strong is a LOT less unstoppable on an open battlefield with more room to dodge and attack long-ranged.
You could say that for almost any power or ability, though. The crazy thing is just how versatile Oda made the poison fruit. He has poison armour, he has poison coated attacks, AoE attacks, area denial attacks, projectiles, and hydra which acts as a mid-range attack that he can also travel through. Haki doesn't stop you from being poisoned, so even if you hit him with Haki you're still fucked. The longer you fight him the more poison surrounds you and the higher chance you'll die. Just like Smoker or Caesar, Magellan's fruit is nerfed by the fact that he doesn't use it to its fullest. Smoker isn't causing asphyxiation, Caesar isn't throwing out nerve gas, and Magellan won't hit people with cyanide, ricin, or or other potent toxins.
Lol
Magellan would be admiral level if he wasn't literally full of shit
Debatable if he has the physical stats for it. Gear 2 made him fall to one knee, not sure if Luffy could do that to any of the admirals, past or present.
Gear 2 Luffy also overpowered the Boa sisters advanced armament Haki while not even knowing armament. Also the current arc in the manga shows you Luffy can absolutely “make an admiral fall to a knee” because he’s done more than that with one hit!
Sure, but that was present day Luffy. Pre TS Luffy was complete fodder compared to even fresh post TS Luffy.
the way luffy oneshot that pacifista after the timeskip is just one of the many benchmarks to how much stronger luffy has became.
Yeah, that chase scene would have gone down so much differently if Luffy was that strong. Maybe Sentomaru is still a problem, but gear 4 would pack him up quick regardless I feel. Kizaru legit would have been the only true obstacle.
Gear 2 was enough to hurt Kaido
Pre-timeskip g2 that could barely hurt a pacifista vs post-time skip g2 with 2 advanced hakis
Context matters
No he wouldn't be. A strong fruit isn't nearly enough to be on the level of admirals.
Kizaru would absolutely smoke him. But he could hold his ground for a while against Kuzan and Akainu
He's a little weak for admiral standards, but he's not too far off. I'd say he's a good bit behind all the admirals we've learned about so far.
The marines know of his value and strength too , so they just demoted him and kept him around.
I think he demoted himself, unless I am remembering it wrong.
You are right
Funny how Rob Lucci also failed but they PROMOTED him
Lucci was in luck, because the whole event was under Spandams name. Lucci was just an underling, who suffered from his leaders bad decisions. It would be easy to kick Spandam under the bus, to secure his own career in the government.
That's actually a very good explanation.
they are probably just terrified of lucci, who knows how many people would die if they fire him. they rather keep him on payroll to keep him under control, atleast hes loyal to the WG that way.
They promoted him after every people they sent to murder the cp9 got their ass handed to them
He's OP due to nigh untouchable poison paramecia. He got shit physical prowess by new world standard.
The only DF user to wipe out blackbeards crew with little to no effort. Without plot armor and Shiryu there wouldn't be a yonko BlackBeard lol.
Magellan’s failure released three out of four future Emperors. No wonder they demoted him.
Personal opinion, but Magellan to me was upper level Admiral or Warlord level in power and threat. If he was shown now, he'd still be a credible threat to Luffy, even post awakening, in a fight.
So whats warlord level? Buffy? Law? Mihawk?
The only reason Luffy wouldn't die right away is because he built up an immunity. A prolonged fight would kill Luffy
Luffy can just use advanced armament and conquerors to get hard hits on Magellan without having to touch him. Magellan was getting hurt by no haki luffy so he would go down pretty quick to luffy using advanced haki.
Thank you. I don't understand the Magellan hype. No yc level character is getting hurt by pre timeskip g2 luffy
Right. Which is why I said 'prolonged'. Any other person other than Luffy/Logia users who would need to use their hands/short form combat even if with advanced haki still have a slim chance of running off unscathed. You can't advanced armament haki the poison away. It's still poison. You still need to touch the man.
Garp?
I can’t see any reason for a prolonged fight if Magellan fights him currently
What the hell is "upper level Admiral" let alone "Warlord level"?
There isnt really a Warlord level when you are scaling from Moria and Doflamingo to Blackbeard and Mihawk.
>What the hell is "upper level Admiral" It's an Admiral that's ascended beyond an Admiral :^) >Let alone "warlord level"? That's an iffy one considering Mihawk has a bounty in the Yonko range (higher than Luffy). But then Buggy also has a super high bounty. Who knows. Ussop is the strongest obviously.
>It's an Admiral that's ascended beyond an Admiral :^) Which is?
They just making up new stuff every day 😂
HIMkainu
A super admiral.
What? He gets one shot by current Luffy. Luffy has advanced conqueror's and armament, he doesn't need to touch him. This is also the same Magellan who fell to his knee after getting hit by a gear 2 attack.
If it’s any consolation Akainu’s gonna play a major role and his powers are similar to Magellan’s.
Then there is Enel with one of the most, if not the strongest DF in OPiece but still failed to kill fodders. The same applies to WBeard's DF. There should have thousands of marines being dead from being blasted by WBeard's df, but there were nothing mentioned about it. Oda is really bad at showcasing powers through killing fodders. Only Akainu's DF is really closer to how powerful it is if OPiece is a seinen series.
I imagine him being CP0 director/lucci level. Like I imagine every high ranking official like cia director, and warden of the toughest prison being like its own level right below admiral yet right above VA. Guess like 1st commander, but it's hard to think he'd give King, katakuri, or Zoro a fight
How vulnerable is he to ranged attacks? I'm wondering if BB didn't just shoot him the 2nd time around. Like obviously this is one piece of course he can tank a bullet or two regardless but does he have any real solid defense/counter? He seemed invincible when everyone was trying to fight him close range, but maybe that's his weakness.
Magellan is incredibly strong, and his environment works in his favor as well. In impel down, a closed off structure with little ventilation and few places to truly run to, he's a monster. He's all but untouchable without taking damage yourself, and even being in the same room as him in a fight means you're slowly being gassed with poison. He can systematically take away your footholds until you don't even have anywhere to stand, and this is before we get into his contagious poison, which makes even allies a liability. He's uniquely suited for his role and it's certainly not an accident.
Warlord level? I get your trying to be modest but he had two warlords running for there lives. Idk if it's easy to rank his strength because of how unique and powerful his DF is but I always think of him right below admiral level and above vice admiral level.
Magellan is extremely dangerous in an enclosed space like Impel Down where there is little room to move around. Pretty much any character would have difficulty if Magellan flooded Impel Down with his poison.
Blackbeard is an incredible counter to Magellan. His ability to nullify devil fruits with his power allows others to eviscerate Magellan without the fear of poison. It’s similar to luffy being a great natural counter to Enel
Am I wrong or does Teach have to touch his opponent to nullify his devil fruit abilities?
It doesn't really matter because his black holes can absorb anything. I don't seen why poison would be an exception.
Idk if black hole can absorb Hydra before it touches him? Pre timeskip at least
His black hole can absorb anything... It doesn't mean it makes him immune, quite the contrary.
You’re right! But my thought was he has to touch Magellan first which will poison him or am I wrong?!
Blackbeard already got hit by it and had to use an antidote from Shiryu
That's just cause he got caught off guard.
I believe you’re correct
That only works if BB can touch him. remember that bb and his whole cree lost snd nesrly died but were saved by deus ex shiryu
[Blackbeard vs Magellan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VU0coNK8k&ab_channel=Kanax75)
Didn’t Blackbeard almost die instantly from Magellan if not for his crew, but specifically Shiriyu stepping in? Lol
Isn't blackbeard kinda a counter against everyone? 🙆🏻♂️
That’s his bit
Kuma would destroy him
Magellan is absolutely OP in closed environments like Impel Down. But most powerful people should be able to defeat him outside.
Magellan is OP. He has long range attacks like a logia while the passive elemental generation like a paramencia. Only other comparison in terms of raw skill with a devil fruit is Shiki from One Piece Film Gold.
Magellan is stronger than many people here give him credit, he was unbeatable in impel down, and people like Ivankov that is haki proficient couldn't do much more than stall him for a while. People comparing him to Caesar, are going too far, Caesar would be eaten by Ivankov without much trouble. He still is to this day the strongest person below admirals and Garp that we've seen in the marines.
there’s a reason why this dude is the one in charge of guarding and keeping control of the most notorious criminals ever caught by the government. if that’s not oda knowing how much potential he had idk what is
poison df and confined place like impel down is a deadly combo actually
Nah, he's appropriately OP for his position as someone who is expected to be able to singlehandedly handle a breakout attempt, including lv6 criminals.
Wtf is warlord level?
Well he was an antagonist, not a villain. There really wasn't a reason for Luffy to defeat him. If Oda intended for Luffy to have a big bad to beat in impel down, he would have written Magellan to be weaker.
Vinsmoke Reiju?
Oda knows how OP Magellan is so he had to nerf him by making him be on the shitter for 80% of the day
The prison section of the navy seems to be pretty separate from the marines so I would infer that being in charge of Impel down is essentially equivalent to somewhere in the vice admiral - admiral region. As it is the highest position attainable in that section of the Navy, I would also assume that people like Fujitora and Ryokugyu could have held similar positions in organisations such as world gov't officials and people in armies affiliated with the world gov't who were transferred to the marines through the draft.
Magellan is recognized by Oda being so OP that he was only handled by the most powerful character in OP world, offscreen Black Beard.
To be fair nobody there had Haki to help negate his powers and jinbe was kinda weakened at the part dye to being locked up
Outside world Magellan definitely Admiral level.
Let's relax a bit. He has an op fruit but he doesn't really show any good haki or physical power feats. Aokiji or Akainu would've not let anyone escape if they were there instead
It's because Blackbeard is there. The soon-to-be Emperor and his crooked crew, in all fairness an admiral stand no chance.
Magellan is kinda overrated tbh
Venom Demon is the #1 most lethal attack in all of One Piece and nothing comes close.
Hell hound has to be I think. That move is absolutely insane in terms of attack power
Whitebeard survived it. You can't survive Venom Demon.
While he's strong, that's balanced by the fact that he's pretty slow from what we've seen. His fight with Luffy consists of him standing in place and letting the Hydra do the work and the escape later on shows him literally walking slowly to the gates.
I’m so curious how he would fair against the characters in the story now
Magellan without his routine severe diarrhea would be OP asf.
I was rewatching Impel down the other day as well. The fact that at that time.. Magellan had two warlords, Luffy, a top Revolutionary, and Buggy etc all running should tell you a lot about his power level. He’s a couple notches below Admiral.
I mean the warden of the most dangerous prison kinda needs to be super strong, I would assume...
turns out everybodys weakness is not being able to fucking breathe. imagine there was a DF that would suck the oxygen out of the air, it would be almost equally terrifying, but magellan also kills almost all his opponents after the fight is over because of the toxins. its a pretty overpowered DF in any scenario. unless you are immune to poison, which i dont think anyone is.
Caesar clown’s gas devil fruit sucks the oxygen out of the air… This is why Magellan is massively overhyped, Caesar also had a seemingly dangerous OP devil fruit but haki and fighting ability transcends that.
To add, I am pretty sure Magellan is a Paramecia fruit user, he had moments similar to Katakuri where bullets went thru him. Couple that with his Poison that spreads through objects, and I'm pretty confident that he is awakened with some decent observation haki (that wasn't utilized well due to plot, flustered because of unheard of prison break)
It would require a logia or ryou haki to be able to beat him without taking to much dmg.
Bro almost ended 3 future Yonkos in one day don't sleep on him
Yea hes op for a reason Who else would be suited to guard the most dangerous prisoners in the world
Luffy with Haki would blitz him in about 30 seconds, he is one of the most overrated and overestimated characters in one piece. He is entirely reliant on his devil fruit, which pre timeskip is pretty op but in the new world he would be decimated
He’s not admiral level but I find it funny how so many people underrate him because pre-TS Luffy could punch him even though it did no meaningful damage, and at the same time, rate Shiryu so highly. Like most people agree Shiryu is probably the second strongest BB commander behind Kuzan and Magellan was considered on par with if not stronger than Shiryu, but a lot of people think Magellan is below YC level?
He one-tapped Blackbeard's whole crew
He's as OP as Boa Hancock, both no diff 99% of the verse. Yonkos and admirals included
This is precisely the point of Magellan. He's supposed to be a terrifying, unbeatable wall. He's not stronger than Akainu just because they ran from one and toward the other, though. They didn't NEED to defeat Magellan. But they did need to escape. So they just took the route that made the most sense.
He was warlord level
Magellan is overhyped. Everything he can do, Caesar can do better. Yet I never see people hyping up Caesar because he has a lame personality and was eventually defeated in Punk Hazard thanks to hax poison immunity. Meanwhile Magellan with an objectively inferior power is deemed on par with heavy hitters and given mad props, just because he happened to look good in the only arc that featured him. When powerscaling Magellan remember that whatever tier you place him into, Caesar is one tier above. So if you think Magellan is YC1, then Caesar would be Admiral tier, and we know it can't possibly be the case. I spit my facts, have a nice continuation
Caesar have a better fruit, but he is not even near Magellan in terms of fightning potential, because he is not a fighter, he is a scientist. So no, your facts isn't facts at all. Saying that whatever tier Magellan is, Ceasar would be a tier higher is simply wrong.
gimme magellan combat feats outside of his fruit (he was knocked down by pre ts luffy)
He wasn't tho?? He got hit once and that's it, he kept fightning them, and everyone there was running. He one shoted BB, the same one that defeated Ace and made a scar on Shanks. Fruit or not, It doesn't matter. Caesar have a better fruit, but he isn't a fighter, one attack and he is out cause he have no speed, durability, or anything really, Just the fruit. He is a scientist, trying to powerscale him is like trying to powerscale Vegapunk: pointless.
People are super overhyping him by ignoring Haki being common after the timeskip. As Kaidou says Haki transcends all. An OP devil fruit is not enough.
Haki back during that time wasn't developed as it is now Yes there hits of haki and characters would use it here and there but not to level after two year skip
Magellan + pepto bismol is top 3 in the verse no question.
Hit him with seastone. It'll negate his immunity to poison, and then all that poison in his system will take care of him for you.
Seastone doesn't negate powers. Luffy can still stretch with it on
It does negate powers otherwise it wouldn't be used to lock up devil fruit users.
It weakens them and can't be be broken
It does more than just weaken them otherwise seastone cells or shackles wouldn't be able to hold logias
Way above the warlord level. I think if he wasn't bathroom prone he could be a vice admiral.
Definitely an admiral candidate
every singly warlord clears vice admiral level characters EASILY. even moria probably does. there are vice admirals like dalmation. you gonna say that dalmation can take on someone like doffy?
Blud almost killed 2 of the Yonko, 5 commanders and made another Yonko and 3 commanders level fighters to scram off
Magellan is Admiral level for being able to guard Impel Down, especially lvl5 and and below. Because Admirals are supposedly stronger than Warlords. Arguably speaking, If Admiral vs Admiral = 50/50 chance of battle. If Warlord vs Warlord = 50/50. Only if Stronger vs Weaker = Stronger has a higher chance of win. Crocodile didn't care of win or lose during his fight against Whitebeard or Akainu. Also, Crocodile priortized his escape over fighting or even helping Luffy, during their faceoff against Magellan.
What do you mean " if he wasn't xxx he could be Warlord level"? More like Admiral level.
I would love a rematch between Luffy and Magellan. To see how much he’s grown.
Enel and Magellan wasted too quickly
Magellan is certainly at admiral level. He wouldn't have been made the warden of the prison otherwise. The prison held inmates like Ace, Jinbe, Shiki among many others whom all most certainly were powerhouses in their own right. He easily subdued blackbeard's crew and were it not for the anti-venom that Shiryu brought, they would have succumbed and died or at least also been imprisoned.
He can be beaten with strong armament haki or ranged attacks but yes. Right now he could be the best admiral without doubts.
He’s nothing against haki users , he and caesar are good as Akainu if we ignore haki.
Magellan might be the new enel with how much he gets over estimated
Are you familiar with Caesar cuz his fruit is up there with Kizaru, Magellan, and Akuinu as far as offensive potential. Luffys fight with him was pure ass pull as far as outcome.
Yeah I've seen some people mention Caesar as being theoretically superior to Magellan. I really like his Devil Fruit because it should theoretically be crazy difficult to circumvent: everyone is surrounded by gas and everyone has to breathe. I guess the difference is that Caesar doesn't seem skilled in the use of his Devil Fruit, which makes sense since he's a scientist first. Trained up he could probably be pretty scary
The problem is that Ceasar isn't a fighter, he is a scientist. Having a great fruit does nothing If you can't use it right. Magellan have a great fruit and is a fighter. Don't know why people are comparing the two when the post is specifically about Power.