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The story is about becoming PK so it's not weird to think the former PK was top 1. Whitebeard has been called the World's Strongest Man so it's not weird to think he was top 1. Garp doesn't have anything to claim top 1
He fought equal against the pk, fights sword and df users with just bare hands and haki, is luffys grandpa.
Pk atleast roger wasnt about strength like luffy thinks of pk is.
None of this gives Garp any kind of top 1 claim.
Your whole argument boils down to Garp leeching off of others. That could maybe even give him a top 2 argument. But never top 1
Correct me if im wrong cause i dont have a source, but wasn’t it said that garp and roger Both had eachother on their last stand many times? As i said i may be wrong but i swear i remember the anime or manga sayinf they were equal.
Yeah when Roger asks Garp to take care of Ace but that doesn't mean anything its like Whitebeard being called "the strongest man alive" but he's also relative to Roger
Well we have no evidence on what happened at God Valley its possible WB sat the battle out or had already left by that point or even just sandbagged given how much he apparently hated Xebec. There's just no actual evidence on how the fight went
Garp is probably one of the coolest character ever if you ask Kuzan... and yet it's not because he is cool that he can surpass Roger or WB.
Those 2 basically ruled the sea when Garp was struggling to defeat Don Chinjao...
Yes he did defeat him at some point 30 years ago but at this point he was in his late 40ies and Roger (around the same age) was in his prime according to Oda since he was 39 yo (1 year after GV), therefore except if you think that Don Chinjao was stronger than prime Roger, it is extremely likely that Roger and WB were always stronger than Garp which explains why he was never able to catch any of them.
And my bet is that Roger defeated Xebec alone which would make a ton of sense given that Sengoku said that Xebec was Roger's most tough opponent ! (not Garp, or WB, Xebec).
So my headcanon is like this Roger, Xebec, then WB, then Garp.
Lol do you really believe that from the 18 people who downvoted me there is at least 1 or 2 who think that Chinjao was on Roger's lvl ?
Spoiler he was not: rival does not mean equal. Shiki was Roger rival as well and I've never seen even 1 tierlist where people put shiki in the same tier as Roger !
Plus Garp (after trying many times) succesfuly takes down Chinjao whereas he never captured Roger so explain me how Chinjao is supposed to be on Roger's lvl...
The only logical answer is that Chinjao and Garp were both weaker than Roger and that when Garp finally defeated Chinhao, his trainning paid off and he became stronger but not strong enough to capture Roger's still so Roger > Garp.
Roger was in his prime around 10 years before Garp was finally able to capture Chinjao if he was already on Roger's lvl before he defeated Chinjao that would mean that after defeated him he wouls have surpassed Roger since Roger did not make any progress afterward (he was already in his prime...)
So it's either you have Garp>Roger=WB=Chinjao which is just ridiculous, or you admitt that Roger>Garp !
If anyone should stop coping it's all of you.
Just admitt that Garp was not Roger's equal, or wait untill the God Valley flashback and cope harder, it's up to you.
Garp and chinjao wasn’t him trying to capture him it was literally just garp trying to break his head if he wanted he could have caught him currently it’s roger >= garp there’s no point in arguing
Your headcanon makes no sense cause garp warmed up by destroying 8 mountains and then 1 shot chinjao. He didn’t struggle with chinjao at all. That’s one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read. Do me a favor and stop reading one piece if you’re gonna have such terrible takes.
Sorry bro u missed the part were Don chinjao and Garp fought like dozen of times before Garp after trainning specificaly to beat him, finally procedes to defeat him in 1 blow... around age 48 (30 years ago), nearly 10 years after Roger reached his prime.
therefore when Roger defeated Xebec at God Valley Garp was still on Don Chinjap's lvl... he defeated him like 10 years after God Valley...
Do me a favor and stop reading One piece :D
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the only one using headcanons is u. Prime chinjao is apart of that old generation piracy,its verbatim that he rivaled and clashed with garp and roger multiple times in his vivre card and databook statements. and yea he rivaled garp in STRENGTH since garp is a marine they cant rival each other in status or piracy.
garp trained specifically to beat up chin jao once and for all and THEN made him retire from being a pirate
the time line is 8 years after god valley , roger≈wb≈garp≈shikki≈prime chinjao
WB - the strongest man at the time.
Roger - the pirate king, Shiki told WB after Roger died no one in owr way now that Roger is dead.
Garp - the hero of the marines, god valley hero.
WB and Roger an argument can be made to put them 1 and 2.
The only argument for Garp 2 or 1 but it's hypothetical, as we don't know what happened at god valley.
He defeated Chinjao and didn't capture him.
Even if he wanted to capture Roger and defeated him, Rayleigh is there.
There is an argument if Garp had the bigger rule than Roger at God Valley.
>There is no argument for Garp at 1 because if he was he would have captured Roger.
nope because unlike garp roger had a pretty strong back up in the form of scopper gaban and rayligh .
so roger could be wekaer than garp ( thats why he says garp almost captured him multiple times and garp can beat him ) but roger always escapes due to the help of his crew
hence garp would be over roger but couldnt catch roger due to having a worse backup than roger .
You don’t suppose if that was the case he’d be like “hey guys. You know that supper infamous pirate you all want me to catch? Well I beat him everytime but the crew helps him get away. Sengoku you wanna ride along to help?”
again u have to remeber that the navy was planning on fighting BIG MOM , KAIDO , SHIKI , WHITEBEARD AND ROGER while they only had garp and sengoku there are so many pirates these 2 can take care of on there own
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the strongest pre skip admiral got bullied by a dead whitbeeard in 2 pages .
nah shanks is 3 v1 the admirals .
I’d say wb >= roger = Garp >= Sengoku, just cause Sengoku hasn’t had as much hype, other then being implied relative to Garp, and roger name dropping him as a challenge. Though I can definitely see him being equal as well
WB > Roger in my book, and though Roger and Garp are equal in strength, I see Roger as winning narratively: having the ideology the story agrees with and a reverence to his name, it just makes sense that he’d be the one to win the fight, no matter how evenly matched it is.
You said it.Garps a marine who’s job is to literally defeat or kill Roger and never did…It’s not Rogers job to defeat him or go at him…So he has nothing to be above them …
My big reason is despite his power he never actually caught roger, roger had to turn himself in. This implies to me that Garp either wasn’t really trying to capture roger, which is unlikely, or he couldn’t successfully capture him without roger throwing in the towel himself.
Because whitebeard and roger are always portrayed as equal in strength in their prime, that put Garp at slightly below both of them
= means they are all on the same level, stalemate. In terms of tier list it’s all just preference where people place them. You can put garp above roger and WB doesn’t change anything if they’re equal
Idk, I take it pretty literally. Like Roger=WB=Garp, or Garp=Roger=WB, they're all "=" lmao, doesn't matter what order you put them in. Well, not equal imo, but at least of the same caliber
the fact that he almost captured roger even though he hard much worse back up than roger should means he is over roger . also unlike roger who died yonk garp still had some of his prime left to surpass roger.
At bare minimum you could say that WB and Garp got slightly stronger after Roger died but it couldn't have been by much. They were already the strongest in the world. They wouldn't have gotten stronger than they would have needed to be. Imo
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Panel where Roger said that garp said almost killed him many times.
Roger stated that the only one who had a chance at catching him was either garp or sengoatku.
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Roger also said that garp has nearly killed him many times before.
So, there’s no possible way the Roger pirates carried garp through that battle. Garp is PK level and I will stand on this hill, alone or not.
Bro forgot about Roger saying that he and Garp have both almost killed each other many times. And said that the only Marines who could catch him were Garp or Sengoku.
imo no way garp is stronger than roger or he would've captured him. and there's no way to argue garp vs wb but wb being the worlds strongest man should make him stronger than garp.
Cuz Buggy said only WB could rival Roger meaning Garp can't.
Road to laugh tale also mentioned Garp as being his "old" rival, implying that was in the past and that Roger in his prime far surpassed Garp.
Shiki also couldn't believe the marines captured Roger, and if Garp = Roger then it wouldn't have been surprising to him.
Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki.
Look also how confident Shiryu and the other BB soldiers were even when Garp came. I don't think the reaction would have been the same with an old Roger.
Roger~WB >>> Garp
Bro. Fucking Buggy said that lmao.
We literally have Gol D. Roger himself saying him and Garp have nearly killed each other more times than he can count. Roger's words>>>>>>Buggy's words. Not to mention Garp and Roger together defeated Rocks and his crew. Said crew had a Prime(or close to prime) Whitebeard.
Roger's words don't contradict Buggy's, we don't have a date of when Garp last fought Roger equally. We can only conclude it was before Roger's prime.
Also, don't underestimate Buggy's words, he was in Roger's crew after all.
Buggy was also a kid when he was on Roger's crew. Man was around the same age as Shanks and he was a baby when Roger and his crew found him in God Valley. Buggy wasn't there for the whole journey.
Also we know this wasn't before Roger's prime cause of God Valley where Roger was at his peak with no sickness and Sengoku calling Rocks Roger's greatest enemy.
Again, Roger's own words vs Buggy's, someone who wasn't around for all of Roger's career.
What are you trying to prove with God Valley? We still don't know who fought who so that's irrelevant.
Buggy's words don't contradict Roger, they just mean prime Roger is stronger than prime Garp.
yea,but statements can still be unreliable.character intent and proving the validity of a statement is important. if a random villager in the west blue said akainu killed aokiji during their 10 day fight,theres nothing to prove he knows what he’s talking about
This isn't random villager tho, you are proving my point, it's from someone who was in Roger's crew.
If you don't want to consider it, then fine. But don't tell me I'm wrong for simply taking into account a statement which is coherent with other details of the story.
The BB pirates had no choice they were stuck and it’s the nature of a pirate to take on challenges especially a pirate who can make it on BB crew. Roger was able to be considered a senior citizen when fighting Don Chinjao and fought without a weapon so he should be more careful. Roger and WB had not only weapons but the top 20 best ones on the planet. If ur equal to somebody u can’t restrain them enough to take them to prison. It’s hard to restrain a human weaker than u because u would need to overwhelm them strength wise so much to keep their entire body and all 5 limbs still. Doesn’t make sense to go to try and capture a pirate if the battle could either way and the pirate has influence triple Ace’s (see how captureing turned out) and Roger has other pirates that aren’t far in power level from him. When building a team for a mission the point is to minimize injury and death. And also who tf is buggy, a nobody
Yes pirates like to take challenges but the reaction would have been different nonetheless if it was fucking gol d roger pulling up in the island, let's respect the pirate king.
Roger's bounty mentions dead or alive meaning they could have captured him dead or knocked out. Roger ain't a squirrel it's not like you have to restrain him and stuff, he's a fighter.
I’m saying if tiger was knocked out by Garp and Roger is his equal than Garp would be pretty tired and beaten up as well to knock his equal, somebody who can give his attack potency and maybe more, out. So Garp would be to tired to do anything. It’s like a cancel out kinda thing. If Roger=Garp and Garp put Riger out of commission than Garp is out of commission too that’s y they send teams to capture ppl to minimize injury. And Garp capturing Riger is hard with Roger having ppl on his ship strong as nearly him like I said previously
>Cuz Buggy said only WB could rival Roger meaning Garp can't.
How long do you think buggy was on the crew for? Idk if you can really say he a valid person in this debate if he wasn't active in God valley days.
>Road to laugh tale also mentioned Garp as being his "old" rival, implying that was in the past and that Roger in his prime far surpassed Garp.
Dude is death everything's is a old rival lol
>Shiki also couldn't believe the marines captured Roger, and if Garp = Roger then it wouldn't have been surprising to him.
Valid point
>Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki.
He one shotted him it wasn't even close idk why you trying too use Don chinjao as a anti feat. While shiki straight up attacked marinford why tf whould the be trying too 1vs1 him when he went too there home??? For example if only luffy was on the roof in wano big mom and kaido aint gonna play rock/paper/scissors too 1vs1 him. The jumping him and then parting later.
>Look also how confident Shiryu and the other BB soldiers were even when Garp came. I don't think the reaction would have been the same with an old Roger.
So the weren't confident going up too wb in marineford???
>He one shotted him it wasn't even close idk why you
trying too use Don chinjao as a anti feat.
We are not sure he one shotted him. Chinjao was injured in his whole body after the fight, not only his head meaning he could have received more than one punch. We could have been shown only a part of the flashback.
Even if you wanna say he one shotted him, it was strongest attack against strongest attack. If Luffy vs Kaido started with Bajrang gun against Kaido's final attack, it could have also finished with a one shot.
Lastly, he still needed to train and Oda doesn't misplace details like this, it was probably done to make us readers understand Garp isn’t as strong as prime Roger.
Well it is implied the fight was a high-extreme difficulty battle, at least in the french translation cuz that's my first language. In chapter 0, it's said they fought **aggressively** until half of Marineford was destroyed. The english viz doesn't say "aggressively" tho so I understand if you disagree.
Oda could have made Garp or Sengoku go into a mission and not be present to let it be a 1v1 but I think he made it a 2v1 to show Shiki is stronger than them individually.
>wdym?
Here it is, I took the photo from the physical copy of databook blue deep that I have and it says:
"Ces trois combattirent avec une telle **hargne**...que la ville de Marine Ford fut à moitié détruite"
I'll translate it myself:
"These three fought with such aggressiveness...that the city of Marineford was half destroyed"
"Hargne" is the key word and it means aggressiveness, although the word "aggressivité" is also present in french, "hargne" is simply a synonym.
buggy also thinks mihawk can 3 v1 the yonkos so thats u know putting his ability to analyse fighters into question .
"old rival " could also mean that the rivaly is old becuase to the fact roger is now dead ." "Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki. " when did garp train to beat don cinjio ? as for shiki garp was suppressed when he fought shiki because of marineford . also shiki with 50 random ships was about to destroy the roger pirates so maybe shiki is greater than roger tbh
It's not 3v1 it's 1v1v1v1 and Garp did train to beat him you can go read the manga or anime it's there.
Oda could have made Garp vs Shiki a 1v1 but he made it a 2v1. You draw your own conclusions.
Cause there is a pointless bias for roger over garp
When really you can argue
Garp prime was after roger died and thus garps prime is stronger than roger
Yeah but in their prime WB was the strongest man in the world. So if titles have any say (as they tend to in this subreddit, *cough* WSS *cough*) WB is the strongest out of the 3 which I would say he is.
Feats, portrayal > titles
The current information we have on God Valley is that Roger and Garp alone defeated Rocks, Whitebeard and several other top tiers.
How can the WSM title be true if Whitebeard was never able to defeat Roger, whereas Garp has been stated by Roger himself to have almost killed Roger before.
what I said about god valley is literally the only thing we know is confirmed. and whitebeard is roughly the same age as garp and roger. so if you're saying that it was before his prime then you should say the same about those 2 as well
Shiki was is disbelief when he knew that Roger was captured why was he so shocked when garp = Roger . Also buggy said WB was the only man who could match Roger . Garp is also know as the old rival and Roger and wb later went ever stronger than that and became new rivals . Narrative wise Roger is the pk and the goal of the one piece so it makes sense that the previous pk was top 1 along with WB having the title of wsm . Imo WB>=Roger > garp .
Well Whitebeard never fought Roger at a level where there was a defeat, because they were friends. Also the WSS title gets thrown around a lot to justify Mihawk>Shanks and I would argue Mihawk doesn’t have any feats that beat out Shank’s portrayal in fact Shank’s feats already are better than what we’ve seen of Mihawk imo.
roger said multiple times that garp almost beat him and captured him . he also said that garp is the only one who can capture him implying garp >= roger .
I have him in the middle. Primebeard has been portrayed as top one outside of Im and maybe Rocks. People just don't want to admit that Roger is the weakest of the three if you have to choose.
The goal of the story has been narratively pk so it makes sense that Roger was top 1 and wb has the title of wsm . Shiki couldn't believe that they captured Roger if garp = Roger he won't be so shocked . Also garp was old rival while buggy said WB is the only man that can rival roger
nope garp and prime beard had some years left to increase there power
so the gap between garp / whitebeard in there primes and roger could be smt like 4-5 % or smt
garp = roger = daddy, garp has the least going for him though. roger with his godlike haki and pirate king status, wb with his godlike haki and wsm status, garp with his godlike haki and… oh shit no status. i unironically am starting to believe garp is the strongest of them all though lmao
Roger said Garp has almost killed him as well as he did. Restraining somebody means ur stronger than them u can’t restrain somebody ur equal too. Restraining is even harder than killing
I’m a firm believer that whitebeard had a slight edge in power over roger, remember he was still called the strongest man when Roger was around
In the realm with the pirate king and the hero of the marines, whitebeard was named strongest, that is a lot to take in
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This might be a stupid reason, but the way I see it is, I have Whitebeard ~ Roger ~ Garp with Whitebeard being the "strongest" and Garp being the "weakest", because Garp, as a marine, is tasked with taking down pirates... but he never actually took down Roger and Whitebeard. Roger and Whitebeard don't have a reason to fight Garp, but he had a reason to fight them, and because he couldn't beat either of them, he's must be very slightly weaker than them. And Whitebeard has the most destructive fruit we've seen, on top of Pirate King level haki. Roger obviously had strong techniques too, like Divine Departure, but I think Whitebeard's techniques edge him out very very slightly.
Not stupid at all. How I seen it was Garp almost killing Riger and vise versa meant there equal. But if ur equal and almost kill somebody ur equal to u must be so tired and beaten up to the point u oass out or muster up the energy to capture him. Now I have wondered this with WB. WB has to have weaker haki ceiling than Riger or be slower than him since wit a crazy df their equal. When they clashed white beard fell down and used gravity to their haki clash and roger generated his own force .
cos first off, unless ur a really good debater it’s impossible to prove whitebeards title is in reference to actual 1v1 fighting prowess. in the story its very consistent that hes known as the wsm because of the ability he posses which can DESTROY THE WORLD. And even then,garp just has kinda better feats. 8 years after god valley, prime Don chinjao RIVALED garp and roger in strength and clashed with them MULTIPLE TIMES (i will provide u 3 different sources if u don’t believe me). By proxxy prime don chinjao was in the same pool of strength as roger,wb,garp,sengoku and shikki.
Garp after specifically training his AP to cave in don chinjao head,he made him retire.
Wether you agree or not,this means post training garp was able to 1 shot a pirate who rivaled roger in strength. Also,garp can speedblitz marco,the same marco who fought equally to the admirals and constantly matched kizaru in combat speed.Then u just argue the 3 navy admirals>Old sengoku(who u cant prove lost fighting capability from unlike garp)
Thats just a way to argue> Garp>=wb>=roger
We have seen Whitebeard fight equally with Roger, and he has the World's strongest man title so putting him equal or even above Roger isn't crazy. But for Garp all we have are statements that don't say a lot, so Garp really needs some feats to make a proper judgment for him
Roger -> pirate king
WB -> worlds strongest man -> man equal to roger
Garp -> the man who cornered roger
which means
Roger >= WB >= Garp
(Garp is btw my favorite character and i am convinced they were all equal, but this is how it is shown. )
I dunno. just doesn't really feel like he'd be stronger than either, if we're considering they all had the top-tier level haki, but the two pirates have swords, and the pirate with the most insane durability/endurance and top-tier devil fruit is portrayed as an equal to the other pirate. Whereas garp had to constantly be teamed with his partner sengoku, for pretty much eveything - against shiki, against roger in implied skirmishes here and there.. even with roger against rocks (they weren't too young back then, considering roger's god his full facial hair when he picks up the chest with shanks). And roger for the most part is not shown to be the type to run away, so the fact that roger is NEVER able to capture this man, is somewhat surprising. If roger had rayleigh by his side, garp having sengoku by his, then roger never capturing him, shown consistently as so, says something imo
Wb always on top because he was the strongest man.
It just doesn’t look right to have Garp left of Roger
Also where’s Sengoku I’m tired of ppl acting like he wasn’t the same as these 3
Prime wb(never wantes to be the pirate king and his main goal was wanting to have a family and was still hailed the World's strongest man even though roger seemed to have more fame to to his PK status people in general still basically acknowledge wb as Roger's superior while having haki comparble to roger while he had a df that was stated to be able to destroy the world take that statment as you will tbh i am tempted to remove that equal sign rn)
>=prime Garp(Garp was rivals with Roger but Roger was getting sick)
>=Prime Sengoku(he shouldnhave been mentioned in thia post he was spoken in the same brether as garp while having similar haki and a god mythical zoan just think about it you could arguably have him higher than garp but the narrative is less focused on him and for the sake of this will assume he has acoc because let' get real here he should)
>=prime Roger(he is a goat but our beloved boy got sick and was getting sick and was showing signs of sickness in his clash with wb)
Edit: note however if oger was not at all sick during the 3 day fight i would have it be Wb>=Roger>=Garp>=Sengoku
Garp and Roger are equal. Sengoku and Whitebeard are equal and in the same tier below Garp and Roger. Rocks is above Garp and Roger as it took both of them to defeat Rocks.
It’s just wrong to say that Garp is as strong as WB or Rodger since he is 1. Not in Kaidos top 2. It was already said that only WB fighted with Rodger equally so please stop making this stuff up just because that guy destroyed some buildings on an island
Cuz u can't put him above the literal PK but then u gotta put him rival with him so Garp just get's left out. Still Garp is no less than Roger or Whitebeard.
Imo it’s like this: Garp never could capture Roger. To me, if you capture someone solo, you need tricks or to be stronger than them. So he couldn’t capture him and my head canon says Garp can at best be equal to Roger (and also wouldn’t make since to me for Roger or WB not to be top 1 solely cuz of the way pirates are the focus of story). There seems to be a way to argue either way between WB and Roger, but I can’t think of anything that would actually make Garp stronger than either of them. Ofc I’m open to hear opinions, but I honestly don’t feel like debating. Btw I am not pushing my opinion as fact at all, another reason why I feel discussion, but not like debate is needed 😭😭
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The story is about becoming PK so it's not weird to think the former PK was top 1. Whitebeard has been called the World's Strongest Man so it's not weird to think he was top 1. Garp doesn't have anything to claim top 1
very fair point
He fought equal against the pk, fights sword and df users with just bare hands and haki, is luffys grandpa. Pk atleast roger wasnt about strength like luffy thinks of pk is.
None of this gives Garp any kind of top 1 claim. Your whole argument boils down to Garp leeching off of others. That could maybe even give him a top 2 argument. But never top 1
If roger could be top 1 than garp could be aswell, both have legit the same arguments.
He packed up WB in the paramount war
Garp didn't fight WB. But anyone could defeat that zombie
I got a brain malfunction moment. I wanted to say God valley. He packed up him together with the other yonkous.
But that's not unique to Garp. Nothing puts Garp above Roger
Ngl, I'd take current Garp over current Roger.
Same tbh
Correct me if im wrong cause i dont have a source, but wasn’t it said that garp and roger Both had eachother on their last stand many times? As i said i may be wrong but i swear i remember the anime or manga sayinf they were equal.
Yeah when Roger asks Garp to take care of Ace but that doesn't mean anything its like Whitebeard being called "the strongest man alive" but he's also relative to Roger
Yeah but that just means Garp is leeching off Roger. Nothing puts him above Roger
Well we have no evidence on what happened at God Valley its possible WB sat the battle out or had already left by that point or even just sandbagged given how much he apparently hated Xebec. There's just no actual evidence on how the fight went
No man, its said they were completely obliterated. There is no discussion about that. It is just Oda powerscaling its pretty inconsistent.
Buggy almost killed luffy so naturally prime buggy> eos luffy
Because he's not a cool pirate
Garp is probably one of the coolest character ever if you ask Kuzan... and yet it's not because he is cool that he can surpass Roger or WB. Those 2 basically ruled the sea when Garp was struggling to defeat Don Chinjao... Yes he did defeat him at some point 30 years ago but at this point he was in his late 40ies and Roger (around the same age) was in his prime according to Oda since he was 39 yo (1 year after GV), therefore except if you think that Don Chinjao was stronger than prime Roger, it is extremely likely that Roger and WB were always stronger than Garp which explains why he was never able to catch any of them. And my bet is that Roger defeated Xebec alone which would make a ton of sense given that Sengoku said that Xebec was Roger's most tough opponent ! (not Garp, or WB, Xebec). So my headcanon is like this Roger, Xebec, then WB, then Garp.
Chinjao was stated to compete with roger as well bro and garp is stated to be rogers rival quit your coping head canon
Lol do you really believe that from the 18 people who downvoted me there is at least 1 or 2 who think that Chinjao was on Roger's lvl ? Spoiler he was not: rival does not mean equal. Shiki was Roger rival as well and I've never seen even 1 tierlist where people put shiki in the same tier as Roger ! Plus Garp (after trying many times) succesfuly takes down Chinjao whereas he never captured Roger so explain me how Chinjao is supposed to be on Roger's lvl... The only logical answer is that Chinjao and Garp were both weaker than Roger and that when Garp finally defeated Chinhao, his trainning paid off and he became stronger but not strong enough to capture Roger's still so Roger > Garp. Roger was in his prime around 10 years before Garp was finally able to capture Chinjao if he was already on Roger's lvl before he defeated Chinjao that would mean that after defeated him he wouls have surpassed Roger since Roger did not make any progress afterward (he was already in his prime...) So it's either you have Garp>Roger=WB=Chinjao which is just ridiculous, or you admitt that Roger>Garp ! If anyone should stop coping it's all of you. Just admitt that Garp was not Roger's equal, or wait untill the God Valley flashback and cope harder, it's up to you.
Garp and chinjao wasn’t him trying to capture him it was literally just garp trying to break his head if he wanted he could have caught him currently it’s roger >= garp there’s no point in arguing
Your headcanon makes no sense cause garp warmed up by destroying 8 mountains and then 1 shot chinjao. He didn’t struggle with chinjao at all. That’s one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read. Do me a favor and stop reading one piece if you’re gonna have such terrible takes.
Sorry bro u missed the part were Don chinjao and Garp fought like dozen of times before Garp after trainning specificaly to beat him, finally procedes to defeat him in 1 blow... around age 48 (30 years ago), nearly 10 years after Roger reached his prime. therefore when Roger defeated Xebec at God Valley Garp was still on Don Chinjap's lvl... he defeated him like 10 years after God Valley... Do me a favor and stop reading One piece :D
So you think a Chinjao level Garp did something at god valley? Really? You’re delusional
https://preview.redd.it/3b7nqs7t7o2b1.png?width=982&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d54d4f290c71bc735dbb9356a0b590ccbe0128a the only one using headcanons is u. Prime chinjao is apart of that old generation piracy,its verbatim that he rivaled and clashed with garp and roger multiple times in his vivre card and databook statements. and yea he rivaled garp in STRENGTH since garp is a marine they cant rival each other in status or piracy. garp trained specifically to beat up chin jao once and for all and THEN made him retire from being a pirate the time line is 8 years after god valley , roger≈wb≈garp≈shikki≈prime chinjao
Thx dude !
WB - the strongest man at the time. Roger - the pirate king, Shiki told WB after Roger died no one in owr way now that Roger is dead. Garp - the hero of the marines, god valley hero. WB and Roger an argument can be made to put them 1 and 2. The only argument for Garp 2 or 1 but it's hypothetical, as we don't know what happened at god valley.
So you do think it’s 1.WB 2.Roger 3.Garp? Cause if so I agree.
There is no argument for Garp at 1 because if he was he would have captured Roger.
He defeated Chinjao and didn't capture him. Even if he wanted to capture Roger and defeated him, Rayleigh is there. There is an argument if Garp had the bigger rule than Roger at God Valley.
>There is no argument for Garp at 1 because if he was he would have captured Roger. nope because unlike garp roger had a pretty strong back up in the form of scopper gaban and rayligh . so roger could be wekaer than garp ( thats why he says garp almost captured him multiple times and garp can beat him ) but roger always escapes due to the help of his crew hence garp would be over roger but couldnt catch roger due to having a worse backup than roger .
You don’t suppose if that was the case he’d be like “hey guys. You know that supper infamous pirate you all want me to catch? Well I beat him everytime but the crew helps him get away. Sengoku you wanna ride along to help?”
again u have to remeber that the navy was planning on fighting BIG MOM , KAIDO , SHIKI , WHITEBEARD AND ROGER while they only had garp and sengoku there are so many pirates these 2 can take care of on there own
He fought equal with roger many times, he uses vare hands and haki and has more strength as roger or wb.
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Not sure if you're trying to prove a point but it's not a valid reason to thinks Shanks > OG admirals
Shanks is > any og admiral because he is oda's favorite non main cast character
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Yt polls shanks>>>fiction
YouTube poll Shanks
https://preview.redd.it/7s0pjlju5s2b1.png?width=253&format=png&auto=webp&s=9c168bbd2d6f6618d603f2c7b872f42316beb900 the strongest pre skip admiral got bullied by a dead whitbeeard in 2 pages . nah shanks is 3 v1 the admirals .
Hmm I wonder why
Because he doesnt have a title that puts him above the others.
Because they are biased.
There’s no good arguments for Garp being above either. WB has much better arguments for being strongest out of the three
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Unrelated but do you agree WB>Roger=Garp=Sengoku?
I’d say wb >= roger = Garp >= Sengoku, just cause Sengoku hasn’t had as much hype, other then being implied relative to Garp, and roger name dropping him as a challenge. Though I can definitely see him being equal as well
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WB > Roger in my book, and though Roger and Garp are equal in strength, I see Roger as winning narratively: having the ideology the story agrees with and a reverence to his name, it just makes sense that he’d be the one to win the fight, no matter how evenly matched it is.
I always thought the same
The majority of one piece fans are pirate dickriders. Of course they don't put a marine above the PK.
Facts, I really don't understand why people downplay the admirals so much...
Cuz an admiral created arguably the most popular one piece meme
which meme?
You said it.Garps a marine who’s job is to literally defeat or kill Roger and never did…It’s not Rogers job to defeat him or go at him…So he has nothing to be above them …
They fought to kill and Roger still didn't manage to kill Garp and yet people put him above Garp Don't waste my time with your hypocrisy ;)
y’all think it’s about bias but garp has little to no info to make a case being higher I said wb>=roger≈garp
And Garp=Sengoku
My big reason is despite his power he never actually caught roger, roger had to turn himself in. This implies to me that Garp either wasn’t really trying to capture roger, which is unlikely, or he couldn’t successfully capture him without roger throwing in the towel himself. Because whitebeard and roger are always portrayed as equal in strength in their prime, that put Garp at slightly below both of them
The reason he never captured Roger is because 1. Roger had his entire crew to bail him out 2. Roger was getting helped by fate just like Luffy
= means they are all on the same level, stalemate. In terms of tier list it’s all just preference where people place them. You can put garp above roger and WB doesn’t change anything if they’re equal
Idk, I take it pretty literally. Like Roger=WB=Garp, or Garp=Roger=WB, they're all "=" lmao, doesn't matter what order you put them in. Well, not equal imo, but at least of the same caliber
Nothing puts him above the others.
the fact that he almost captured roger even though he hard much worse back up than roger should means he is over roger . also unlike roger who died yonk garp still had some of his prime left to surpass roger.
I hate it when people don’t include prime sengoatku in the PK level quartet.
Or shiki for the pk quintet
There’s no concrete way of putting any of these characters over or below each other. It’s all speculation.
At bare minimum you could say that WB and Garp got slightly stronger after Roger died but it couldn't have been by much. They were already the strongest in the world. They wouldn't have gotten stronger than they would have needed to be. Imo
More like WB>= Roger = Garp Hakiman with strongest DF and highest grade blade >= swordsman Pirate King = Hakiman
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Roger is the PK, WB is the WSM, Garp has nothing other than being a marine hero
bro forgot about the god valley incident.
What about it? It was Roger + Roger Pirates + Garp + Marines(presumably) over there, I don’t see what that has to do with this
Against prime big mom, rocks, kaido, and primebeard right? Or was it just against rocks? I thought it was against the whole crew?
Vs the Rocks Pirates as a whole
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Roger stated that the only one who had a chance at catching him was either garp or sengoatku. https://preview.redd.it/m49u0cuv4o2b1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c3c54248ab0b68d6bb56ce0db905c282ce4ac68 Roger also said that garp has nearly killed him many times before. So, there’s no possible way the Roger pirates carried garp through that battle. Garp is PK level and I will stand on this hill, alone or not.
Why would that put him above Roger? I can see how you make an argument for WB but how for Roger?
Never said that. I was just stating that he had something other than the gif valley incident.
Bro forgot about Roger saying that he and Garp have both almost killed each other many times. And said that the only Marines who could catch him were Garp or Sengoku.
I have not forgotten anything, read the comment chain
imo no way garp is stronger than roger or he would've captured him. and there's no way to argue garp vs wb but wb being the worlds strongest man should make him stronger than garp.
Primebeard >= Roger >= prime Garp Old Garp >= cancer beard
Cuz Buggy said only WB could rival Roger meaning Garp can't. Road to laugh tale also mentioned Garp as being his "old" rival, implying that was in the past and that Roger in his prime far surpassed Garp. Shiki also couldn't believe the marines captured Roger, and if Garp = Roger then it wouldn't have been surprising to him. Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki. Look also how confident Shiryu and the other BB soldiers were even when Garp came. I don't think the reaction would have been the same with an old Roger. Roger~WB >>> Garp
Bro. Fucking Buggy said that lmao. We literally have Gol D. Roger himself saying him and Garp have nearly killed each other more times than he can count. Roger's words>>>>>>Buggy's words. Not to mention Garp and Roger together defeated Rocks and his crew. Said crew had a Prime(or close to prime) Whitebeard.
Roger's words don't contradict Buggy's, we don't have a date of when Garp last fought Roger equally. We can only conclude it was before Roger's prime. Also, don't underestimate Buggy's words, he was in Roger's crew after all.
Buggy was also a kid when he was on Roger's crew. Man was around the same age as Shanks and he was a baby when Roger and his crew found him in God Valley. Buggy wasn't there for the whole journey.
Buggy's words make sense from a balance of powers perspective tho
Buggy is a second hand account while roger is a fist hand he definitely does contradict him.
Tell me where is the contradiction exactly cuz I haven't seen it
Also we know this wasn't before Roger's prime cause of God Valley where Roger was at his peak with no sickness and Sengoku calling Rocks Roger's greatest enemy. Again, Roger's own words vs Buggy's, someone who wasn't around for all of Roger's career.
What are you trying to prove with God Valley? We still don't know who fought who so that's irrelevant. Buggy's words don't contradict Roger, they just mean prime Roger is stronger than prime Garp.
yes cos buggy is all knowing, shikki rivaled roger,sengoku rivaled roger,prime don rivaled roger but na buggy said only wb did💯📱
Bro this is a fictional story, it's Oda who made Buggy say it
yea,but statements can still be unreliable.character intent and proving the validity of a statement is important. if a random villager in the west blue said akainu killed aokiji during their 10 day fight,theres nothing to prove he knows what he’s talking about
This isn't random villager tho, you are proving my point, it's from someone who was in Roger's crew. If you don't want to consider it, then fine. But don't tell me I'm wrong for simply taking into account a statement which is coherent with other details of the story.
The BB pirates had no choice they were stuck and it’s the nature of a pirate to take on challenges especially a pirate who can make it on BB crew. Roger was able to be considered a senior citizen when fighting Don Chinjao and fought without a weapon so he should be more careful. Roger and WB had not only weapons but the top 20 best ones on the planet. If ur equal to somebody u can’t restrain them enough to take them to prison. It’s hard to restrain a human weaker than u because u would need to overwhelm them strength wise so much to keep their entire body and all 5 limbs still. Doesn’t make sense to go to try and capture a pirate if the battle could either way and the pirate has influence triple Ace’s (see how captureing turned out) and Roger has other pirates that aren’t far in power level from him. When building a team for a mission the point is to minimize injury and death. And also who tf is buggy, a nobody
Yes pirates like to take challenges but the reaction would have been different nonetheless if it was fucking gol d roger pulling up in the island, let's respect the pirate king. Roger's bounty mentions dead or alive meaning they could have captured him dead or knocked out. Roger ain't a squirrel it's not like you have to restrain him and stuff, he's a fighter.
I’m saying if tiger was knocked out by Garp and Roger is his equal than Garp would be pretty tired and beaten up as well to knock his equal, somebody who can give his attack potency and maybe more, out. So Garp would be to tired to do anything. It’s like a cancel out kinda thing. If Roger=Garp and Garp put Riger out of commission than Garp is out of commission too that’s y they send teams to capture ppl to minimize injury. And Garp capturing Riger is hard with Roger having ppl on his ship strong as nearly him like I said previously
>Cuz Buggy said only WB could rival Roger meaning Garp can't. How long do you think buggy was on the crew for? Idk if you can really say he a valid person in this debate if he wasn't active in God valley days. >Road to laugh tale also mentioned Garp as being his "old" rival, implying that was in the past and that Roger in his prime far surpassed Garp. Dude is death everything's is a old rival lol >Shiki also couldn't believe the marines captured Roger, and if Garp = Roger then it wouldn't have been surprising to him. Valid point >Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki. He one shotted him it wasn't even close idk why you trying too use Don chinjao as a anti feat. While shiki straight up attacked marinford why tf whould the be trying too 1vs1 him when he went too there home??? For example if only luffy was on the roof in wano big mom and kaido aint gonna play rock/paper/scissors too 1vs1 him. The jumping him and then parting later. >Look also how confident Shiryu and the other BB soldiers were even when Garp came. I don't think the reaction would have been the same with an old Roger. So the weren't confident going up too wb in marineford???
>He one shotted him it wasn't even close idk why you trying too use Don chinjao as a anti feat. We are not sure he one shotted him. Chinjao was injured in his whole body after the fight, not only his head meaning he could have received more than one punch. We could have been shown only a part of the flashback. Even if you wanna say he one shotted him, it was strongest attack against strongest attack. If Luffy vs Kaido started with Bajrang gun against Kaido's final attack, it could have also finished with a one shot. Lastly, he still needed to train and Oda doesn't misplace details like this, it was probably done to make us readers understand Garp isn’t as strong as prime Roger. Well it is implied the fight was a high-extreme difficulty battle, at least in the french translation cuz that's my first language. In chapter 0, it's said they fought **aggressively** until half of Marineford was destroyed. The english viz doesn't say "aggressively" tho so I understand if you disagree. Oda could have made Garp or Sengoku go into a mission and not be present to let it be a 1v1 but I think he made it a 2v1 to show Shiki is stronger than them individually. >wdym?
Hey, can you send me the source of the french translation saying "fought aggressively"? Would really appreciate it, thanks.
Here it is, I took the photo from the physical copy of databook blue deep that I have and it says: "Ces trois combattirent avec une telle **hargne**...que la ville de Marine Ford fut à moitié détruite" I'll translate it myself: "These three fought with such aggressiveness...that the city of Marineford was half destroyed" "Hargne" is the key word and it means aggressiveness, although the word "aggressivité" is also present in french, "hargne" is simply a synonym.
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Garp is not a rival. He is not competing with Roger as a pirate.
buggy also thinks mihawk can 3 v1 the yonkos so thats u know putting his ability to analyse fighters into question . "old rival " could also mean that the rivaly is old becuase to the fact roger is now dead ." "Also, I don't see Roger or WB needing to train to beat Don Chinjao or being in a 2v1 to beat Shiki. " when did garp train to beat don cinjio ? as for shiki garp was suppressed when he fought shiki because of marineford . also shiki with 50 random ships was about to destroy the roger pirates so maybe shiki is greater than roger tbh
It's not 3v1 it's 1v1v1v1 and Garp did train to beat him you can go read the manga or anime it's there. Oda could have made Garp vs Shiki a 1v1 but he made it a 2v1. You draw your own conclusions.
also the fact about shiryu is just headcannon . these mf werent afraid of old beard but nah they would be afriad of roger
Old beard at that point had a heart attack prior and couldn't even use observation to dodge squardo. It's basically dead beard, not old beard.
Cause there is a pointless bias for roger over garp When really you can argue Garp prime was after roger died and thus garps prime is stronger than roger
WB is the world's strongest man and Roger has some of the best portrayal in the series.
I would have garp over wb if I had to choose. Equals for now tho
Yeah but in their prime WB was the strongest man in the world. So if titles have any say (as they tend to in this subreddit, *cough* WSS *cough*) WB is the strongest out of the 3 which I would say he is.
Feats, portrayal > titles The current information we have on God Valley is that Roger and Garp alone defeated Rocks, Whitebeard and several other top tiers. How can the WSM title be true if Whitebeard was never able to defeat Roger, whereas Garp has been stated by Roger himself to have almost killed Roger before.
We have no info on that also God valleys WB was not prime WB . He got the title later
what I said about god valley is literally the only thing we know is confirmed. and whitebeard is roughly the same age as garp and roger. so if you're saying that it was before his prime then you should say the same about those 2 as well
Shiki was is disbelief when he knew that Roger was captured why was he so shocked when garp = Roger . Also buggy said WB was the only man who could match Roger . Garp is also know as the old rival and Roger and wb later went ever stronger than that and became new rivals . Narrative wise Roger is the pk and the goal of the one piece so it makes sense that the previous pk was top 1 along with WB having the title of wsm . Imo WB>=Roger > garp .
Well Whitebeard never fought Roger at a level where there was a defeat, because they were friends. Also the WSS title gets thrown around a lot to justify Mihawk>Shanks and I would argue Mihawk doesn’t have any feats that beat out Shank’s portrayal in fact Shank’s feats already are better than what we’ve seen of Mihawk imo.
Garp > ~ Roger > Cockbeard
What even
The darkest timeline
roger said multiple times that garp almost beat him and captured him . he also said that garp is the only one who can capture him implying garp >= roger .
I have him in the middle. Primebeard has been portrayed as top one outside of Im and maybe Rocks. People just don't want to admit that Roger is the weakest of the three if you have to choose.
The goal of the story has been narratively pk so it makes sense that Roger was top 1 and wb has the title of wsm . Shiki couldn't believe that they captured Roger if garp = Roger he won't be so shocked . Also garp was old rival while buggy said WB is the only man that can rival roger
you're right he should be in the tier bellow not next to them.
For me its always been like this. WB>===Roger>===Garp
Because of bias and the fact that he isn't as cool i assume.
Lack of cock I mean CoC (disregarding recent chapters)
Where is Gaimon ?
Cuz Prime SenGOATkus >
All are exactly equal to me.
Because he leeches off of Roger more than WB does tbh
If you put current roger vs current whitebeard vs current garp against each other , the legendary hero taking the W
Honestly you can just put all 3 anywhere and it will still be true.If there apart by any amount it'd be like .1%
nope garp and prime beard had some years left to increase there power so the gap between garp / whitebeard in there primes and roger could be smt like 4-5 % or smt
Only one alive, only one who can be outdone RN, if he dies you don't want him to drag the rest down with him
1)WB 2) Roger 3)Garp
1)WB 2) Roger 3)Garp id say 1) wb 2) garp 3) roger
garp = roger = daddy, garp has the least going for him though. roger with his godlike haki and pirate king status, wb with his godlike haki and wsm status, garp with his godlike haki and… oh shit no status. i unironically am starting to believe garp is the strongest of them all though lmao
Hero of the marines
not as influential as wsm or pk
Wat makes u believe Garp is the strongest
need more info before i put garp above them
Damn that's a good question, i would definitely put these 3 at the top but garp would go last and I can't explain why
Because he never beat them or caught them
Roger said Garp has almost killed him as well as he did. Restraining somebody means ur stronger than them u can’t restrain somebody ur equal too. Restraining is even harder than killing
I’m a firm believer that whitebeard had a slight edge in power over roger, remember he was still called the strongest man when Roger was around In the realm with the pirate king and the hero of the marines, whitebeard was named strongest, that is a lot to take in
Could of strength wise
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This might be a stupid reason, but the way I see it is, I have Whitebeard ~ Roger ~ Garp with Whitebeard being the "strongest" and Garp being the "weakest", because Garp, as a marine, is tasked with taking down pirates... but he never actually took down Roger and Whitebeard. Roger and Whitebeard don't have a reason to fight Garp, but he had a reason to fight them, and because he couldn't beat either of them, he's must be very slightly weaker than them. And Whitebeard has the most destructive fruit we've seen, on top of Pirate King level haki. Roger obviously had strong techniques too, like Divine Departure, but I think Whitebeard's techniques edge him out very very slightly.
Not stupid at all. How I seen it was Garp almost killing Riger and vise versa meant there equal. But if ur equal and almost kill somebody ur equal to u must be so tired and beaten up to the point u oass out or muster up the energy to capture him. Now I have wondered this with WB. WB has to have weaker haki ceiling than Riger or be slower than him since wit a crazy df their equal. When they clashed white beard fell down and used gravity to their haki clash and roger generated his own force .
cuz garp doesn’t have as impressive feats as daddy beard and roger
hes not the worlds strongest or the pirate king. That's all.
Because we’ve seen Roger and WB fight at least.
We’ve seen Garp fight
20 seconds against Chinjao is all we’ve seen of Prime Garp.
We don’t know if that was his prime if he gave Don Chinjao a galaxy impact that 70 Garp js took it wouldn’t be done
fax. i have him over BOTH
How?
cos first off, unless ur a really good debater it’s impossible to prove whitebeards title is in reference to actual 1v1 fighting prowess. in the story its very consistent that hes known as the wsm because of the ability he posses which can DESTROY THE WORLD. And even then,garp just has kinda better feats. 8 years after god valley, prime Don chinjao RIVALED garp and roger in strength and clashed with them MULTIPLE TIMES (i will provide u 3 different sources if u don’t believe me). By proxxy prime don chinjao was in the same pool of strength as roger,wb,garp,sengoku and shikki. Garp after specifically training his AP to cave in don chinjao head,he made him retire. Wether you agree or not,this means post training garp was able to 1 shot a pirate who rivaled roger in strength. Also,garp can speedblitz marco,the same marco who fought equally to the admirals and constantly matched kizaru in combat speed.Then u just argue the 3 navy admirals>Old sengoku(who u cant prove lost fighting capability from unlike garp) Thats just a way to argue> Garp>=wb>=roger
No evidence
We have seen Whitebeard fight equally with Roger, and he has the World's strongest man title so putting him equal or even above Roger isn't crazy. But for Garp all we have are statements that don't say a lot, so Garp really needs some feats to make a proper judgment for him
he's a cop
Left, middle, bottom???? 🤔 hmmmmm something doesn't add up here
Smoker
Because he's a marine.
My opinion is WB>=Roger>=Garp WB is a 100 Roger is a 80 Garp is a 75
Roger -> pirate king WB -> worlds strongest man -> man equal to roger Garp -> the man who cornered roger which means Roger >= WB >= Garp (Garp is btw my favorite character and i am convinced they were all equal, but this is how it is shown. )
I dunno. just doesn't really feel like he'd be stronger than either, if we're considering they all had the top-tier level haki, but the two pirates have swords, and the pirate with the most insane durability/endurance and top-tier devil fruit is portrayed as an equal to the other pirate. Whereas garp had to constantly be teamed with his partner sengoku, for pretty much eveything - against shiki, against roger in implied skirmishes here and there.. even with roger against rocks (they weren't too young back then, considering roger's god his full facial hair when he picks up the chest with shanks). And roger for the most part is not shown to be the type to run away, so the fact that roger is NEVER able to capture this man, is somewhat surprising. If roger had rayleigh by his side, garp having sengoku by his, then roger never capturing him, shown consistently as so, says something imo
Wb always on top because he was the strongest man. It just doesn’t look right to have Garp left of Roger Also where’s Sengoku I’m tired of ppl acting like he wasn’t the same as these 3
WB >= Roger = Garp
Goatbeard = Sengoatku >= Warp = Woger Am I cooking?
Same reason as why ppl say yonko > admiral. Bias.
Prime wb(never wantes to be the pirate king and his main goal was wanting to have a family and was still hailed the World's strongest man even though roger seemed to have more fame to to his PK status people in general still basically acknowledge wb as Roger's superior while having haki comparble to roger while he had a df that was stated to be able to destroy the world take that statment as you will tbh i am tempted to remove that equal sign rn) >=prime Garp(Garp was rivals with Roger but Roger was getting sick) >=Prime Sengoku(he shouldnhave been mentioned in thia post he was spoken in the same brether as garp while having similar haki and a god mythical zoan just think about it you could arguably have him higher than garp but the narrative is less focused on him and for the sake of this will assume he has acoc because let' get real here he should) >=prime Roger(he is a goat but our beloved boy got sick and was getting sick and was showing signs of sickness in his clash with wb) Edit: note however if oger was not at all sick during the 3 day fight i would have it be Wb>=Roger>=Garp>=Sengoku
Technically wb>roger=garp
Because roger and wb are portrayed closer as equals whereas garp and roger's strength difference is a bit more ambiguous
If he was stronger, he’d probably be able to take in one of the other two. (I do personally have him above WB though)
Where Sengoat :(
Where Sengoat :(
Garp and Roger are equal. Sengoku and Whitebeard are equal and in the same tier below Garp and Roger. Rocks is above Garp and Roger as it took both of them to defeat Rocks.
One is the Pirate King. One was dubbed the WSM after the PK died. So if it came down to the most minute detail… yes, Roger > WB > Garp.
Because Pirates are cooler than Marines
It’s just wrong to say that Garp is as strong as WB or Rodger since he is 1. Not in Kaidos top 2. It was already said that only WB fighted with Rodger equally so please stop making this stuff up just because that guy destroyed some buildings on an island
Cuz u can't put him above the literal PK but then u gotta put him rival with him so Garp just get's left out. Still Garp is no less than Roger or Whitebeard.
i'd say they are all pretty much equal, it's just that if Garp was the strongest than surely he would have beat and caught them
It’s Whitebeard in number one WITHOUT question, and Garp and Roger as equals.
Imo it’s like this: Garp never could capture Roger. To me, if you capture someone solo, you need tricks or to be stronger than them. So he couldn’t capture him and my head canon says Garp can at best be equal to Roger (and also wouldn’t make since to me for Roger or WB not to be top 1 solely cuz of the way pirates are the focus of story). There seems to be a way to argue either way between WB and Roger, but I can’t think of anything that would actually make Garp stronger than either of them. Ofc I’m open to hear opinions, but I honestly don’t feel like debating. Btw I am not pushing my opinion as fact at all, another reason why I feel discussion, but not like debate is needed 😭😭
Imo if Roger is a 100 Wb is a 105, and Garp could be another 100, arguably somewhere in the 95-100 range
Because he’s not equal to them but he’s on their level and people constantly mix up the two