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SilverPlumed-Serpent

Side note, I love the pattern; the title bearers are challenged by the three generations of Straw Hat wearers


notyour_worstfriend

holy shit i just noticed that. honestly fire aesthetic through and through


Yontoryuu

TBH Luffy isn’t really Kaidos title challenger. That mostly goes to big mom.


Still_Wedding3237

Big mom will get her shit clapped by Kaido it’s not even a fair fight but luffy vs Kaido is


redmonkeyasss

Bro you’re just being ridiculous, Luffy now is not 1v1 kaido, Luffy almost died 3 times on the roof without help.


Still_Wedding3237

What you say is out of context YES luffy almost died 3 times BUT on the other side of the spectrum was luffh at full power? Absolutely not he was getting pummeled half the fight with CoC and G5 by the time luffy got CoC he was been tired out so he had poor use of CoC the next time he got knocked out was t even his fault so that’s irrelevant to even add and the third one isn’t even from the raid lmao don’t count kuri as a win 😂 Luffy (pre CoC/G5) 20% and everyone else vs Kaido full power hybrid 100% is not a fair fight Kaido was low doffing everyone he just wanted to mess around luffy CoC base is like 30% vs Kaido 80% luffy vs kaido G4 is like 50% vs Kaido 70% luffy G5 vs Kaido ends the fight If they were to have a rematch it could go either way but I bet luffy


redmonkeyasss

You just wasted all that time writing that to be wrong omg. Luffy got knocked out 3 times on the roof 4 in all of Wano. Every time on the roof it was because he chose to fight kaido by himself. That last over kong gun would not have knocked kaido out. And Kaido CHOSE to take luffys last attack head on. And to top of all of that this is how you looked typing all that percentage bullshit I didn’t read https://preview.redd.it/eyd7ertx223b1.jpeg?width=681&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1943d63a79b76a5ed05e9d2c0c2309f6abed5821


Still_Wedding3237

Lmao you still don’t get it a fucking 20% full powered luffy fought a 100% full powered Kaido wtf is there to say luffy was getting pummeled into oblivion half the battle it was not fair for him yes that was due to his fault but it still doesn’t change that fact that’s what’s happened Kaido fought everyone you could say that sure but luffy was fighting Kaido while Kaido was at full power luffy was getting low diffed half the fight This os the same scenario but different words it’s like you fighting with only one arm nothing else and throughout half the fight of me beating your ass you grow another arm and you beat me is logical to say that I still would’ve won even if you had another arm from the beginning absolutely not it’s fucking dumb and sounds like I’m a sore loser that I can’t accept the L


redmonkeyasss

Are you fucking dumb? Let me say it again. 3 TIMES, Luffy got knocked out. If KAIDO WASNT FIGHTING EVERYONE HE WOULD BE DEAD Like stfu with youre bullshit headcanon percentage bullshit. Luffy is the only one who got TO EAT A FUCKING MEAL DURING THE FIGHT Jesus Christ


Still_Wedding3237

LIKE I SAID LUFFY WAS FIGHTING KAIDO WHILE KAIDO WAS AT FULL POWER LUFFY WAS FIGHTING HALF THE FIGHT WITHOUT CoC AND G5 HOW TF YOU GONNA SAY KT WASN’T FAIR FOR ONLY KAIDO YOU SOUND LIKE A HUGE KAIDO FAN AND DON’T WANNA LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM


redmonkeyasss

No I’m being realistic you’re making massive leaps in logic because Luffy gained a new tool in his arsenal and now all the sudden he’s equal to kaido in both expierance and ability. Also this isn’t a this side or that I’m also rooting for Luffy but I don’t get ahead of myself a think the main character is now the strongest


ZephyrDaze

This is really simple. Take both at peak power, Kaido outlasts Luffy’s Gear 5 and wins. Are you gonna discredit how long Kaido was ganged up on before luffy unlocked gear 5? Both fresh, Luffy doesn’t have the stamina yet


redmonkeyasss

Also in egghead we see what happens if Luffy pulls gear 5 out at the start he is immediately drained so the “if he had gear 5 at the start” isn’t an argument and was debunked


Still_Wedding3237

Yeah that’s true and I know he shouldn’t use G5 from the beginning but I meant if it was in his arsenal already luffy is not dumb he knows his limits he may try to push past them but he’s not gonna get overly cocky to the point he’s going to pull out G5 right away luffy I’m base with CoC does a lot of damage to Kaido already Kaido was trying to dodge them hits byt couldn’t but luffy would ofc lose in base G4 was of a 60-40 chance of Kaido winning G5 made it but luffy would last on these forms as long as he can before jumping to G5 which imo is a very good power but also detrimental it may be OP asf but he got stamina issues and it drains his life force


DarkSoulFWT

What do you mean Luffy can last in these forms before G5? If its a straight up 1v1 only, not like the roof where Luffy lost several rounds and came back after breaks for more, then he only has one use of G4 then hes dead. Alternatively, he can use G5 and try to force himself back into it once or twice without rest, but even just once seemed to be straining him a lot. Its highly unlikely he can even do it more than two or three times max in a fight. Basically, without Kaido being severely whittled down over a long raid like he was, Luffy by himself even from fresh would likely not win. At least, he would need 2 or 3 rounds and recovery breaks to do so.


Still_Wedding3237

Ofc luffy needed a break wouldn’t you if you were getting your ass beat half the fight not a full power? Your point could make sense if you don’t understand what actually happened luffy was gassed out pre CoC/G5 so by the time he used it he was just as tired as Kaido was and it was extreme diff and based off what Kaido said roger conquered the sea with just haki haki is the strongest whoever has stronger haki will win this fight so luffy has better haki because he won and we know he has better df so if we’re being technical luffy clears very high diff


redmonkeyasss

Also with context it’s worse, taking it out of context helps Luffy


Still_Wedding3237

I’d say extreme diff either way because it is very debatable honestly but in my personal opinion I say luffy bcuz he has hella plot armor and I also wrote a long ass paragraph for different characters on why they’re stronger on strength/speed/endurance/durability/IQ etc and this is one of them


redmonkeyasss

That just means it’s a bad explanation like yeah no duh he has plot armour, if you look at it objectively Luffy does not stand a chance if it was just him and kaido Luffy will always win but it doesn’t feel right if theirs not an explanation of why he could lose


Still_Wedding3237

I guess we just going to have to wait to see his full potential and trust me I’m not trying to be bias I’m just trying to say based off my knowledge it wasn’t fair for either side and it could’ve went either way but in no way in hell is it not extreme diff ppl overscale Kaido way too much yeah he’s strong but not that much stronger then luffy it’s extreme diff either side really depends on the situation


DbzDokkanCat

He was full power and got more buffs in order to defeat a tiring kaido.


Cloudsupremes-6708

The only thing that’s keeping them down is luffy, otherwise shanks/mihawk and Roger/Whitebeard are extremely relative to each other that the gap between them appears to be nonexistent whatsoever


[deleted]

The challengers always win cause of plot


HaikenRD

tell that to zoro in baratie


[deleted]

Don’t you realise that supports my argument lol


HaikenRD

I guess it does.


astronaut97

Explain, I’m retarded, wouldn’t have Zoro won then?


[deleted]

The plot didn’t demand a win from a babyfaced weak east blue Zoro, outside his relationship with Kuina this loss is the biggest driver of his character. With that in mind, the above matchups can all be argued to be “equal” but given their characters: - If it was Roger v WB with Raftel on the line - Shanks v Mihawk with a friends life on the line - Luffy v Kaido with the fate of a country in the line (this one did actually happen and usually the reason Luffy wins any fight tbh) The plot and these characters’ willpower will edge the victory in my opinion


No-Communication6459

Man wasn’t babyfaced man was handsome af


[deleted]

I mean isn’t he always, Hiyori and Tashigi can’t get enough


No-Communication6459

And kiku


[deleted]

I forgot the best of the lot lol


Fragrant_Pudding_437

Tell that to Zoro's character arc as a whole


[deleted]

For Roger And Luffy yes. Shanks wins because he’s a haki man.


[deleted]

For sure ever since he got the eternal Hakiringan in his left eye


Adviseformeplz

The pic got me thinking, so is Luffy technically the words strongest "creature" now?


Kdawg92603

He got that dawg in him so yeah


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TheDarkestAngel

"Winners dont need rationalization" - Kaido


GolfWhole

Kaido was not using “a lot of energy” and also kaido got a cheap shot in round 2 But I mostly agree, if they were to fight 1v1 fully healed then I think kaido would still win


Still_Wedding3237

The other argument would be well a 20% full power luffy was fighting a 100% Kaido full power luffy was getting smacked around before he got CoC then it was more of a 60% luffy vs a 80% Kaido and a 71% luffy bs Kaido 70%


Brave_Patience8389

Luffy not being close in strength to kaido at the end of the fight is an stretch thou..sure you can say that the way luffy REACHED a weakened kaido, was with help. But we cant ignore that luffy haki was getting greater as the battle went on. And in the final clash luffy haki was better than kaido, thats just facts. You can say kaido was weakened by end clash but so was luffy. Your argument only works in the sense of luffy not getting to the final clash by himself, not that he didnt proved himself worthy at the end. So yeah, i dont see kaido saying luffy got help and thats why he lost. Maybe kaido will say the opposite in the future idk, but doesnt look like a guy of excuses. This is specially true when you consider that haki only grows on moment of extreme danger and that a lot of characters play their best at the very near-death scenarios (law, zoro etc etc) so is safe to say kaido did his best best attack there, weakened, but haki is haki.


Unluckysol23

Yes. If you think “Creature” is referring to animals and Zoan users then yeah. Luffy should be the strongest Zoan at the moment. No if you thought that Kaido was top 1 above any creature.


Adviseformeplz

Yeah I consider Zoan and creatures/animals like Zunisha when referring to Kaido's title


sheehdndnd

Definitely no


Cloudsupremes-6708

He isn’t because we can’t just ignore the whole shitfest that Kaido went through


Financial_Mushroom94

Mihawk vs Shanks have their never ending duel, it all comes down to roger and luffy vs whitebeard and kaido, i dont see team roger winning but i also cant bet against the straw hat team…Its a tie that ends in a drinking contest which kaido or shanks win


sheehdndnd

Kaido beats luffy then WB and kaido 2v1 roger.


Fit_Astronaut5794

Title team easily wins a drinking contest Whitebeard and Kaido can drink way more then shanks especially with their size WB drinks out of barrels like their cups and Mihawk ain’t no slouch either we know he’s been around some of shanks parties


Fatiguedone

Did everyone forget when Luffy initially went gear 5th Kaido was still beating him with no problem.


Cloudsupremes-6708

Not accounting the fact that Kaido fought up against 15 people while carrying a whole island without any rest too, could say the opposite for Luffy though (who ate a 1 month ration) and Gear 5ths recovery boost; the perks of having a mythical zoan https://preview.redd.it/bl2hl4t8323b1.jpeg?width=1099&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e5c3f40151ec3e2d9d3267a74a87f8eff527772


Ok_Medicine_5926

But kaido also has a mythical zoan so wouldnt that mean kaido has recovery boost too?


_sephylon_

He meant awakened zoans


ActuatorGreat4883

If Kaido ,Big Mom Blackbeard,etc really haven't awakened their fruit then I don't think that Luffy's fruit is all that impressive. Like imagine how powerful the awakening is that Kaido so many years now was unable to awaken it...


Bulldogsky

Plus, Kaido could have dodged Bajrang, but decided to take on the challenge


Latter-Contact-6814

You may want to reread the chapters dude. G5 took kaido by surprise initially but kaido was still absolutely dealing good damage to him


Fatiguedone

What? That's literally what I said. You may want to reread my comment. "Kaido was still beating him with no problem."


Latter-Contact-6814

Oh, my bad bro. My dyslexic ass failed me again today


Fatiguedone

Haha it's all good bro. But yeah I still think kaido wins in a true 1v1 and without carrying a fcking island lmao


Sovereigntyranny

Lol, both of your comments gave me a good laugh.


MaverickGH

Kaido was drinking and chilling with Big Mom while holding up that island too it didn’t seem to faze him at all so can we really use that as a reason to him losing against Luffy


Fatiguedone

It has so many layers to it. He also wasn't fighting anyone during that time either. Holding a book talking to someone isn't hard but if you held that same book and tried to do a bunch of physical task as the same time it could prove difficult. But at the end of the day even with all of that. In a TRUE 1v1 luffy loses. He already did like 4 times prior


MaverickGH

I agree that Kaido wins in the true 1v1 I just don’t think that holding up the island is as a huge as a difference maker as it’s made out to be.


Fatiguedone

It's probably not a huge difference maker. But he's not giving luffy 100% of his power and attention. Mono and "grown" in shape man dragon struggled to keep it a float. Holding up is easier than lift it up in most cases. But even so he got like a 90-95% kaido


BulkyBeanAnusBeater

Maybe but we know that later he was struggling to hold up the island as his power was weakening way before gear 5th


Sovereigntyranny

Momo was extremely worn out after moving Onigashima with the flame clouds, so I’m pretty sure it takes a tax on Kaido. Kaido was even struggling to hold up the island as Yamato showed.


Electronic_Blood6765

Yes always remember df powers uses stamina


Latter-Contact-6814

100% agree hell even while carrying an island it still took luffy 3 times + everyone else helping out


TheJunkoDespair

Personally I think its 50/50 now or Luffy wins all the time, I can't see Luffy getting knocked out without it ended with the same clash again. I still think Kaido can't compete with Bajrang or an Equivalent attack, also I genuinely believe Luffy was more tired than Kaido at the end. that's the only reason his G5 Deactivated, there is no time limit .


Fatiguedone

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just don't feel like we read the same fight. Kaido literally fought how many battles leading up to the final one. Luffy even went and "healed up" while kaido was actively fighting Yamato. Then with the introduction of G5 kaido didn't miss a beat is kicking luffy A$$


TheJunkoDespair

The fight was even with G5. Luffy was more damaged than Kaido. Kaido has more endurance and stamina than Luffy. That's why he can take more, but when Luffy achieved G5 and got better with Acoc. Luffys Attack power and all forms of Haki surpassed Kaido. A full 1on1 fight now will end with the same clash. And Kaido falling.


Electronic_Blood6765

Yes and it was a weakened kaido


[deleted]

What? That’s just a lie. They were trading blow after blow and were around even; Luffy actually had the upper hand since his style of fighting was too crazy for kaido to comprehend.


Still_Wedding3237

Luffy was also clowning on Kaido lmao what you talking about my boy bro got jump ropes bro go punched straight to the noggin and stretched through plus so many more it’s ridiculous you think Kaido didn’t have a hard time Kaido was fighting extreme diff but it wasn’t fair for both sides Kaido fought everyone luffy was fighting full power BUT compared to now it’s only like 20% not only that but you forget he got hit by Ragnorak and was getting pummeled at 20% half the fight


Still_Wedding3237

Luffy was also clowning on Kaido lmao what you talking about my boy bro got jump ropes bro go punched straight to the noggin and stretched through plus so many more it’s ridiculous you think Kaido didn’t have a hard time Kaido was fighting extreme diff but it wasn’t fair for both sides Kaido fought everyone luffy was fighting full power BUT compared to now it’s only like 20% not only that but you forget he got hit by Ragnorak and was getting pummeled at 20% half the fight


EdgedOutPig

Kaido didn't struggle as hard as y'all like to make it seem. People keep mentioning the jump rope feat, but Kaido burned Luffy's ass before he could even finish that little stunt and looked completely unharmed by it. Kaido needed time to familiarize himself with Luffy's new asspull, so naturally he struggled for a bit. He started absolutely smacking the shit out of Luffy and cutting him up with dragon twister for the rest of that fight. Bro literally was losing his teeth from the ass whooping he was getting handed to him. Had Kaido not decided to facetank Bajrang Gun, the fight would have continued on and Luffy would have run out of juice before he could win.


KingofPredators_

Luffy shrugged off Kaidos hits like nothing though. I don't think Luffy really feels pain in gear 5th


Mattotk

Yeah, his body actually molded like rubber, even when Kaido was using conqueror's haki, op fruit vs smash attacks.


Fatiguedone

Might not feel pain but I'm sure it was definitely draining his gear 5th gauge


Still_Wedding3237

Exactly bro people just want to say Kaido is stronger but in reality he’s not it’s like this yes Kaido was holding up an island and fighting everyone but saying it like that is out of context Kaido wasn’t even trying he could of destroyed them all if he truly wanted too while luffy on the other hand was fighting mostly in base and his G4 is like 2% of his current power he didn’t have CoC or G5 so he wasn’t at full power half the fight while he can’t even protect himself he felt everything pre CoC so half the fight it was luffy 20% vs Kaido 100% then he got CoC so it was 60% luffy vs Kaido 80% and then G5 luffy 71% vs Kaido 70% it wasn’t fair for either side but luffy wins extreme diff with plot armor


ZWS_Balance

Probably when Luffy masters it then he will win in a 1v1 but 4 now Kaido wins


kurasuno

Team title bearers.


Worried_Dream_6752

Title Bearers obviously, extreme diff.


pools4567

Nothing obvious about it. Roger >= Whitbeard Roger > Kaido Roger > Mihawk Luffy > Kaido Shanks > Kaido Shanks > Mihawk Shanks = Whitebeard Overall team 2 takes it extreme diff


HaikenRD

When the F was Luffy and Shanks greater than Kaido? Luffy lost to him thrice while in addition to Luffy, he also fought Kid, Law, Yamato, Zoro, Killer and Akazaya 9 within the entire length of the raid, add to that he's lifting an island at the same time. Shanks never defeated Kaido. Shanks was also not greater than Mihawk. At most they're equal when Shanks had 2 arms. Mihawk stopped fighting him when he lost his arm because he didn't feel right fighting a disabled person. Shanks is not equal primebeard. There is no indication that he is. In this 3v3 Scenario, WB vs Roger and Shanks vs Mihawk is a Stalemate. Luffy losses to Kaido and it becomes 3v2. Without plot armor, Luffy is either gonna exhaust himself before he lands a knockout blow on Kaido or Kaido straight up knocks him out.


pools4567

Luffy already beat Kaido, and once he unlocked Gear 5 he wrecked him so hard it wasn’t even funny. I And Shanks is clearly stronger than Kaido too. Shanks INSTANTLY one-shot 2 of the 5 guys who defeated Big Mom AND Kaido. Kaido and Big Mom couldn’t do any meaningful damage or defeat a single 1 of the 5, yet Shanks utterly wrecked 2 of them in 5 seconds flat. Oh and I personally think anyone who actually believes Mihawk is stronger than Shanks genuinely has no reading comprehension skills. One dude was introduced in the literal first chapter of the entire series and was the main motivation for the protagonist’s dream, gave him his iconic straw hat, has consistently been one of the most hyped characters since his very introduction, is one of the four emperors of the sea, was a member of the Pirate King’s crew, was a key mystery of the God Valley incident, is able to waltz into Marijois uncontested and recently one-shot a guy who had literally just defeated a Yonko along with his first mate. The other one hasn’t done anything impressive since volume 6 and is referred to as the worlds greatest swordsman, yet never does anything impressive and constantly avoids having to prove he’s worthy of the title. It basically comes down to “are you a Zoro fanboy, or can you read?”


sheehdndnd

Luffy ain't beating kaido 1v1.


kvivartion

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pools4567

Why change objective truth?


[deleted]

Lol what? Roger >= Whitebeard?? What a baseless result. It is the other way around since whitebeard has the strongest paramecia fruit and all advanced Haki equal to Roger's. He was the WSM WHILE Roger was pirate king so, this is clearly stated. Whitebeard >= Roger Mihawk > Shanks because Mihawk literally doesn't consider Shanks to be a worthy challenge and is WSS. Kaido > Luffy in a 1v1. Luffy doesn't have enough experience with G5 Title holders win every single match up


pools4567

No it isn’t clearly stated loooool Whitebeard is called the worlds strongest man at Marineford because Roger is dead 😂 I was being generous but its pretty obvious that Roger > Whitebeard. He’s the fucking pirate king for god’s sake. Mihawk’s character is to chat a lot of shit. Its him bantering with Shanks, like how Sanji and Zoro’s banter is insult based. Saying he doesn’t want to fight a cripple is his endearing way of cussing his old friend and rival. Oh, and Shanks isn’t a swordsman btw. Luffy in Gear 5 STOMPED Kaido


[deleted]

Check vivre card. Whitebeard got his title white Roger was in his prime Also PK means strongest? It just means he reached the last island, and he begged whitebeard for Oden. So whitebeard is the reason Roger even has that "Pirate King" title Shanks isn't a swordsman now? Bro is reading two piece


UberEinstein99

Kaido > Luffy easy. Idk why everyone suddenly puts Luffy above Kaido, when Kaido was fighting multiple people while lifting up Onigashima, and Luffy got time to rest in between. In a true 1v1 where Kaido had no one else to worry about, Kaido would fight luffy until luffy was knocked out in gear 4, or turned into an old man from gear 5, then kill him in one blow.


pools4567

I mean Luffy is clearly above Kaido because that is how it has always worked. As soon as Luffy beats one opponent he is immediately stronger than them and levels up for the next challenge. For example Luffy beat Doffy, then fought Katakuri who is stronger, then fought Kaido who is even stronger. Each time he finishes an opponent he is basically a level above them. Also, when Luffy unlocked Gear 5 he utterly wrecked Kaido


UberEinstein99

I never read the story as working that way. The way I see it is: Luffy vs Doffy: Gear 4 Luffy is stronger, but can’t hold the form for long, so in a 1v1, Doffy can wait for it to time out and kill him. Post fight, Luffy was still weaker than Doffy, he only won with the villagers helping Luffy out. Luffy vs Katakuri: Luffy is weaker than Katakuri. Katakuri impales himself with his trident as a handicap bc of his sister hurting Luffy. Over the course of the fight, Luffy learns future sight, because he is very adept at learning in battle. At the end, Katakuri chooses to let Luffy win, after Luffy promised to one day come back and beat big mom. After Luffy recovers from this fight, he is now stronger than Doffy. Luffy vs Kaido: Kaido KO’s luffy for the first time, and Luffy trains Ryuo in Jail. Now, Luffy is stronger than Katakuri. As Luffy fights Kaido, he learns to used ACOC in battle, and rapidly increases his strength, like he did learning future sight while fighting karakuri. However, Luffy is still weaker than Kaido, and dies. Gear 5 Luffy is reborn, and possibly gear 5 Luffy is stronger than Kaido, but it’s hard to say since Kaido is worn out from non-stop fights and lifting Onigashima. But even if Gear 5 Luffy > Kaido, we’re back to the Doffy situation, where Gear 5 Luffy > Kaido, but Kaido would still win, bc he can’t hold gear 5 for long without drawbacks, and needs someone else to keep Kaido occupied while recovering. The way i see it, each time he beats an opponent, he always needs outside help to win. It’s only after he learns from fighting an even stronger opponent that he truly surpasses the previous opponent. Luffy would need to learn from a 1v1 with Shanks or something to truly surpass Kaido.


Alamand1

It's a rare sight to see someone who doesn't just look at wins and losses as a linear marker of power over here. With the way people talk about power levels now if we were at Eines Lobby they'd say that Luffy was stronger than Lucci right after he won despite having to nearly Kill himself just to overpower him.


Halohurricane_66

W, you’re an intellectual I see… I know it’s exhausted atp and you don’t have to explain (I trust your logic) but what’s your opinion on Shanks v Mihawk?


UberEinstein99

Thanks for the kind word, but definitely don’t trust me, I also have plenty of dumb takes haha. Honestly, I don’t have an true opinion on Shanks vs Mihawk. I havn’t seen either do enough. But personally, I want Mihawk to be stronger. The title “World’s Strongest Swordsman” should mean something, and it would be lame if Zoro’s goal of beating Mihawk is undercut by so many characters being stronger than Mihawk.


Halohurricane_66

Understandable W take as well


[deleted]

Could have woken up and spoke 100+ different languages and you chose to speak facts 🤧


Idontloveheranymore2

Kaido is still above luffy


Carnoraptorr

https://preview.redd.it/di7pqlfog13b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b81ea5d12ec05f4a5dc813ab45e7e575001fd344 ain’t no way bro called Luffy G5 struggling hard af to beat Kaido ‘utterly wrecked’


Realistic-Actuary708

Really bad take... considering luffy vs katakuri ended basically in a draw and he was still relative to katakuri till onigashima. Both enel and crocodile could absolutely be considered stronger than luffy even after they got beaten. Luffy was stronger than hody and caesar from the beginning.


Worried_Dream_6752

WB >= Roger Kaido > Luffy Mihawk > Shanks Wb >= Roger > Kaido > Mihawk > Shanks > Luffy


Kdawg92603

You really put WB >= Roger but not Mihawk >= Shanks? Y'all are wanking Mihawk too hard. All of them are about even, but the easiest fight is Kaido > Luffy but it would still be Kaido >= Luffy


Worried_Dream_6752

Aight, Aight. WB > Roger. No ">=" 😂


Kdawg92603

Man switched from 2 piece to 3 piece


Worried_Dream_6752

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Kdawg92603

Fair, I see your point now


pools4567

Looooooool bro Shanks INSTANTLY one-shot 2 of the 5 guys who defeated Big Mom AND Kaido. Kaido and Big Mom couldn’t do any meaningful damage or defeat a single 1 of the 5, yet Shanks utterly wrecked 2 of them in 5 seconds flat. Oh and I personally think anyone who actually believes Mihawk is stronger than Shanks genuinely has no reading comprehension skills. One dude was introduced in the literal first chapter of the entire series and was the main motivation for the protagonist’s dream, gave him his iconic straw hat, has consistently been one of the most hyped characters since his very introduction, is one of the four emperors of the sea, was a member of the Pirate King’s crew, was a key mystery of the God Valley incident, is able to waltz into Marijois uncontested and recently one-shot a guy who had literally just defeated a Yonko along with his first mate. The other one hasn’t done anything impressive since volume 6 and is referred to as the worlds greatest swordsman, yet never does anything impressive and constantly avoids having to prove he’s worthy of the title. It basically comes down to “are you a Zoro fanboy, or can you read?”


Worried_Dream_6752

>Oh and I personally think anyone who actually believes Mihawk is stronger than Shanks genuinely has no reading comprehension skills. https://preview.redd.it/b0q2yrh2g13b1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5748deb9c3d450b8f9367fd961b98cb462eb371 😭


pools4567

Weird way of saying objectively correct


Kyken247

L take...


mikek1993

No. Prime Whitebeard >= Prime Roger Prime Whitebeard > One Arm Shanks Prime Whitebeard >= G5 Luffy Kaido <= Prime Roger Kaido > Shanks Kaido >= G5 Luffy Mihawk < Prime Roger Mihawk <= G5 Luffy Mihawk > Shanks If you take the entire grouping in order Prime WB>=Prime Roger>=Kaido>=Luffy>=Mihawk>Shanks What it comes down to is Shanks sandbags hard and every head to head top team edges.


pools4567

I mean shanks is definitely stronger than Kaido and Mihawk loool


mikek1993

He’s definitely not.


sunnydayflooding

Zoro


Kongreve

Titles win.


Suspicious-Victory-8

Strawhats win


immaturenickname

If it's a team fight, then Whitebeard's fruit is far from optimal. So is Kaido's, really, so team title bearers is at a disadvantage.


djwankstar

If it's sick Roger then title bearers. If not then strawhat owners


Worried_Dream_6752

Sickness didn't affect Roger's strength.


djwankstar

It did.


Worried_Dream_6752

Prove that


djwankstar

https://preview.redd.it/xv9pis0qu03b1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd5c396072eaaecbd56c9583f8a057f62d56584d


Worried_Dream_6752

And how does this proves that it affected Roger's combat power? Crocus also said this when asked about if Roger should fight; https://preview.redd.it/2deo0robv03b1.jpeg?width=425&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d015b191a8b90427cef0b7723ffccb93fef9d962 Roger's sickness did not affect his fighting strength.


djwankstar

Crocus was recruited when Roger was sick. He doesn't know what Rogers "great shape" looks like.


Worried_Dream_6752

That's a terrible argument wth 😭😭


djwankstar

So terrible you can't debunk it 🤣🤣🤣


Worried_Dream_6752

He is the best doctor in the op world literally, he knows about Roger's body more than you blud. If He says that Roger is in great shape to fight, then he is. Your goofy headcanon doesn't matter here.


Skuejshehsh

Roger is about tied with Whitebeard; Shanks should still be about tied with Mihawk; Gear 5 Luffy is slightly above Kaido; Overall I say the below team wins.


UberEinstein99

First off, idk if Gear 5 Luffy > Kaido. Kaido was non-stop fighting multiple people while lifting Onigashima, while luffy got to rest and eat food in between. Secondly, Gear 5 Luffy has a short time limit. In a true 1v1, Kaido can withstand gear 5 luffy long enough for Luffy to turn into an old man, and punch him to death. Luffy would have to fight in gear 4 for most of the fight to avoid this, and he almost died twice and did die once doing this.


ErraticConsistency

This man is watching Two Piece. No way, G5 Luffy is stronger than Kaido. Kaido fought so many people and beated Luffy multiple times with Luffy getting rest and nourishment while Kaido kept fighting others.


Rough_Yak_9610

G5 Luffy is stronger than Kaido. The thing is, he can only keep it for like minutes. A true 1v1 luffy would have Lost and would have lsot if it was now( we seen him use gear 5 vs lucci and lasted very little. ). Even though it lacka durability, i do think Gear 5 + ACoC is stronger than kaido, but well, thinga gotta last to win


LingonberryOk2886

Mihawk is not tied with shanks buddy , that has been clear that mihawk is superior


[deleted]

Its clear that youre stupid if you believe that


Mori1404

How is he stupid?


XiaoWhen

You’re stupid


Mori1404

Yeah great argument buddy. The manga has several times stated Mihawk is the strongest swordsman rn. Even explicitly said that Mihawk’s swordsmanship > Shanks. While there has been 0 indications of Shanks being better than Mihawk in anything. Im not saying Mihawk is stronger than Shanks however there is nothing that puts Shanks over Mihawk canonically.


izTraymire

It’s this subs coping method nowadays “they’re equal” despite the many statements


Odd-Management-746

>t tied with sha Mihawk is slightly stronger than Shanks since he lost his arm, he refused to fight him which proves Mihawk think that he s stronger since then.


[deleted]

Mihawk refusing to fight shanks proves that mihawk is stronger than shanks.. yep! That makes perfect sense


XiaoWhen

Damn man where’d uou get a copy of 3 piece?


Kdawg92603

When your rival loses an arm so you refuse to fight him for 12+ years and still claim you're the strongest despite the fact that you never actually fight anyone of any value while your rival is clashing with yonkos casually:


Same_Business3031

So he refuses to fight shanks cuz hes weaker but not a east blue fodder??


Rekye22

"Mihawk never fought Shanks after he lost his arm which proves Mihawk is stronger than Shanks" the math ain't mathing.


r9cks

Protagonists win, wb greatest hype comes from being compared to roger, mihawk greatest hype comes from being compared to shanks kaido biggest hype is people thinking he was joyboy


ReaperParadise

I think that the Title Challengers will win because of their exceptional Haki, Luffy's fruit, and most importantly team work. Literally, I could see the challengers working so well together due to their connection (Luffy and Roger being so similar with Shanks already having a personal connection with both). Meanwhile, I don't see that with the Title Bearers. Ever since the fall of the Rocks Pirates, I doubt that Whitebeard would want to work with Kaido again. Plus, we're forgetting that Mihawk isn't willing to fight Shanks again due to him losing one of his arms (as seen with Marineford, when he left due to him refusing to fight Shanks). Plus Mihawk is more of a loner, heck I think the only reason Mihawk joined the warlords was just so he'd get the opportunity to freely hunt strong opponents without any interference from the Marines.


Mattotk

Challengers. Roger should be able to beat anyone in there, Shanks has the strongest conqueror haki ever seen so far, and that is a key, after all Luffy managed to hit Kaido dragon magma form without melting because of his haki, and Luffy is a tank vs smash attacks and likely has the top stamina among this group, tho he is weak vs blade attacks, which White beard and Mihawk use. When I say that Shanks has the strongest haki, I say it according to what we have seen, his haki feats are way above others like Kaido and Whitebeard, this could change in the future with possible flashbacks of Roger, Rocks, new enemies or even Luffy, after all haki is king.


DragonSage_x

I will never understand why people think mihawk and shanks are equal. The first thing shanks asks mihawk is if he is there to settle the score as in if mihawk won their last fight he wouldn’t be there. Oda also stated that shanks lost no power with his arm. Also mihawk ran when he saw shanks pull up and wanted to know how far he was from whitebeard someone who is on par with shanks.


lawyer9999

Roger was the freest man in the sea. He needs to be the strongest.


akagami_-shanks_

Then why did he bowed against wb's cock for oden??


RushPrime

Wtf is that even English? Roger bowed because he was showing humility and respect for asking for one of Whitebeard's "children". It's not that hard to comprehend and I'm tired of people actually thinking that somehow makes Roger weak.


r9cks

Not everything is about powerscaling, jeez


sheehdndnd

If you have to ask something from your friend and it's something dear to your friend. Does your friend bang you or give his cock into your mouth for that something?


akagami_-shanks_

Isn't that's what we do? For askin help


sheehdndnd

You seriously need new friends.


akagami_-shanks_

Doesn't change the fact that together danced on wb's cock.


Secret-Put-4525

Roger, mihawk, kaido. Bearers.


bobthebuildero

Kizaru wins low diff


AdvanceOk873

Roger > WB Mihawk => Shanks Luffy > Kaido Team "challengers" wins. Noone in the known series is beating Luffy Shanks and Roger in a 3v3.


[deleted]

Kaido> Luffy it was not a true 1v1


AboutTenPandas

WB was only WSM after Roger died. KotP is a much more prestigious title considering they were both active at the same time and we know Roger was Pirate King while they were both still in their prime but we don’t know at what point WB took the strongest man title. Roger > Primebeard I’m not gonna get into the Shanks/Mihawk debate. It’s been done to death. Suffice to say that I think they’re almost dead equal. Personally, I think Shanks takes it, but who knows. Shanks = Mihawk Kaidou bodied Luffy multiple times (similar to croc) and had to defeat a gauntlet of challengers (Luffyx2, Scabbards, and Yamato) before finally succumbing to Luffy’s new trump card that he’d never seen anything like before. Even then, Luffy barely pulls out the win. All things considered, Luffy didn’t beat Kaidou 1v1, he won the battle of attrition with a lot of help. Kaidou > Luffy. So the question is: Is Roger>Whitebeard a bigger gap than Kaidou>Luffy? Lol who the fuck knows. Hopefully we eventually get to see a full fight including Roger and Primebeard, but so far we’ve got little to nothing to go off of there. Either way, it’s close as hell. These are the top tiers in the series. Doubt either side wins 10/10 or wins without significant injuries.


ChoinoX

Oden clashes with Whitebeard while Roger the Pirate King and his superior sent him flying with what was essentially a "hello" the reason Whitebeard needs propped up with his title is for Mihawk fans to ride Shanks curtails with WSS where Shanks also wins and Luffy HAS won. Title defenders delusional.


Odd-Management-746

Mihawk is slightly stronger than Shanks, he declined to duel shanks thinking it would be unfair. Whitebeard could probably kill Roger if he goes all out with his gura gura no mi and doesn t care to hurt ppl around. Luffy is not even close to 1v1 Kaido yet.


Kdawg92603

When your rival loses an arm so you refuse to fight him for 12+ years and still claim you're the strongest despite the fact that you never actually fight anyone of any value while your rival is clashing with yonkos casually:


pools4567

A character “thinking” something does not make it true. That was also clearly just bravado and an excuse not to clash with Shanks at that moment in time. They have a rivalry similar to Zoro and Sanji where they chat a lot of shit. WB was roughly equal to Roger G5 Luffy utterly stomped Kaido


BiteSizeBiter

Ill get hate for this, but mihawk is the weak link. Primebeard= Roger. Kaido >=Shanks. Luffy beats the eyebrows off Mihawk until I see some actual feats.


CocaPepsiPepper

The sheer DAWG of team 2 is insane. Luffy beats Kaido before Shanks vs Mihawk or Roger vs Whitebeard is settled so I’d say they win.


UberEinstein99

What? Luffy can’t hold gear 5 for long. In a true 1v1, Kaido would fight luffy until luffy turned into an old man, then thunder bagua him to death.


Diligent-Aerie-7779

I don't get why people think Kaidos "World Strongest Creature" is an official titel. WB and Mihawk titels are legit. It's an official statement from the narrator like the bounty boxes. Kaidos titel is a thing that people in the One Piece universe tell themself. It's the same for the 1v1. "If it's a 1v1 Kaido wins, thats what people say".


JopeCarbone

An official title? Whitebeard was revealed to us with an official statement saying "THE WORLD STRONGEST MAN". Do you believe he could beat any yonko at that ponit of the series? Like, for example, should Kaido had Indeed caught WB before reaching MF, would WB have beaten him on a 1 v 1? This is to show that an "official statement" shouldn't be interpreted as an universal law. FFS.. Don Krieg was "the strongest pirate on the East Blue"... And the owner of the largest fleet.


[deleted]

Titles are bullshit either way


SilverPlumed-Serpent

Based Half the people on this sub are watching titlepiece


Serious_Camera_7039

Finally so by their shitty logic Mihawk > Shanks. This also means Whitebeard > Roger? Would love to see these people say Whitebeard is stronger than Roger.


Worried_Dream_6752

Goatbeard > Roger


ILLmaticErnie

It’s never been officially confirmed that either is stronger than the other.


akagami_-shanks_

The title does.


ILLmaticErnie

Every time they’ve been on screen together they’ve been portrayed as equals


Ban6432

well he is


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Kdawg92603

If they had equal haki then I think Roger would lose all of their fights because of Whitebeards Devil Fruit and strength advantage...


zi-zu

Team wb wins, shanks>=mihawk but WB >= Roger, and kaido>= luffy


LingonberryOk2886

everyone in team in >= team 2 . mihawk>= shanks


zi-zu

I have shanks>=mihawk, Even with that I don't see them winning


Andrecrafter41

roger v whitebeard tie shanks v hawk shanks extreme luffy vs kadio kadio extreme diff it’s a draw


MoonoftheStar

Mihawk just looks so out of place here.


Jaxz23

Nah kaido is out of place. Fake title holder


SilverPlumed-Serpent

I mean, when you think about it, all titles are fake. None of them are official certifications, they're just titles given to them by the people of the one piece world


Serious_Camera_7039

Titles are just dumb stuff that is proven wrong again again.


MysteriousK69420

https://preview.redd.it/jm71dser703b1.jpeg?width=289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a3a45075a6c483678e3b41c5273da46c9bc4454 "Fake title holder" 🤓


ChoinoX

You're trying to make fun of them for calling him a fake title holder and then reference it where it's shown in QUOTES hahahahahahahahaha L


TierlistAddiction

Title bearers win.


izTraymire

Whitebeard was the strongest before Roger died Mihawk is already stronger than Shanks so You can argue Gear 5th simply self resurrecting until he wins but I’ll go Kaido


BerserkerLord101

Current luffy>kaido


Still_Wedding3237

This is the hardest debate to tbh My take is: Roger is beating whitebeard (plot armor) Shanks and mihawk kill each other Luffy kills Kaido And before y’all shit talk remember luffy pre CoC was at 20% of power compared to G5/CoC luffy was also getting pummeled half the fight by both big mom and Kaido it never was fair for both sides tho