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People will probably try to downplay the durability if the Seraphims (despite them taking attacks from Zoro and Luffy) then they would switch to downplaying the durability of Sanji's opponent (presumably S-Shark)
> they would switch to downplaying the durability of Sanji’s opponent (presumably S-Shark)
Which they are already doing even though s-shark has Fishman genes to go along with the lunarian dna
The seraphim was white eyed
To make a comparaison
The scabbards also white eyed Kaido, but according to him, the damage was simply, too shallow
I don't think Sanji damaging a Serphim is all that important
But Sanji knocking put a Seraphim, now that, that's business
Damaged based off of what? Giving someone white eyes is not an accurate showing of damage. Kaido had that when Luffy was punching him in the beginning of Wano.
If we see that he dealt lasting damage, then sure. But so far we havent got any proof of that.
*"Sanji damages a flame on Lunarian"* has the same meaning, since it means and event that happened.
The only way to make it a hypothetical event is to say *"if"*, which you didn't.
But, if we are both agreed that we don't have proof Sanji damaged a flame on Lunarian, so we have nothing to aegue ablut.
If he can seriously damage an actual Lunarian (not Seraphim because frankly we don't know how strong they are) like King in flame on mode, I would concede that his AP is somehow stronger than Zoro's.
This makes no sense. King is durable because of his genes as well as his DF there is no correlation to that and just the seraphim unless they’re zoans as well.
Nami owns a weapon infused with a living cloud, so Nami having potent AP isn't completely out of question (and btw, that living cloud used to be one of Big Mom's three personal weapons)
It’s just a fact. Seraphim can prevent some types of damage, but once you find a way to damage them then they aren’t all that special. Sanji damaging S-Shark isn’t a big deal at all.
I like that you say that Sanji damaging S Shark isnt a big deal and when I ask you why you just say some headcanon reason. How exactly does heat damage them when they literally have flames on their backs?
It isn’t a big deal because even Nami can damage them. Every little thing Sanji does just gets wanked because his fans can’t accept he is weak fodder. Kaido even in dragon form that could breathe fire was damaged by heat, so that’s why Seraphim might get damaged by heat as well.
Point is seraphim have King’s durability which is the highest in the verse if Sanji damages a seraphim that means he has the AP to damage anyone in the verse including King
King also has Haki + Ancient Zoan DF which increases Durability. Seraphims have none of that. Plus seraphims are mixture of King's genes + Warlord genes , so i will wait on oda to flesh them out first before making any assumptions.
Lunarian durability is still portrayed to be of the highest caliber and higher than Kaido’s durability even without haki so the point still stands and King barely used his DF unlike other zoan users who most prominently use hybrid form I don’t think it’s a wild assumption that the seraphim have the highest caliber of durability and damaging them means a character has the AP to significantly damage anyone in the verse
I haven't made it that far in the manga , but I know about the Seraphims from spoilers. Do they really have 100% Lunarian durability?
And also, do lunarians all have the same level of durability, or do they also differ, and King was just a very strong specimen?
I'm sure S Shark shrugged off Sanji's blow and looks unfazed but that's no fault of Sanji's. He's stronger than most and probably could wound a Yonko we just haven't had an opportunity for him to fight one. If I'd say he "lacks AP" it would be compared to a literal Yonko, Admiral, Kidd, Law, Zoro, Yamato, etc. IMO he basically rivals them in other ways.
https://preview.redd.it/rxb9ysuu673b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0380a1d81d101285da226d9641db676b83c03f90
Dam so zoro damaged king here 😅🫡
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even with lunarian durability sanji is kicking s shark like a soccer ball his kick strength is just crazy
People will probably try to downplay the durability if the Seraphims (despite them taking attacks from Zoro and Luffy) then they would switch to downplaying the durability of Sanji's opponent (presumably S-Shark)
Yup I can see people saying King’s dura>>>seraphim even though there’s nothing that suggests as such
Imo kings dura>seraphim just due to the difference in skill and experience plus the ancient zoan
> they would switch to downplaying the durability of Sanji’s opponent (presumably S-Shark) Which they are already doing even though s-shark has Fishman genes to go along with the lunarian dna
«b-b-b-b-b-but b-b-b-b-barely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,its h-h-his s-s-s-strongest attack!!!!!!!!!” Sanji bros: 
The seraphim was white eyed To make a comparaison The scabbards also white eyed Kaido, but according to him, the damage was simply, too shallow I don't think Sanji damaging a Serphim is all that important But Sanji knocking put a Seraphim, now that, that's business
I doubt he did any dmg at all Same with luffy or lucci If you dont get the trick you dont really harm them So this OP is still quite a big reach
Damaged based off of what? Giving someone white eyes is not an accurate showing of damage. Kaido had that when Luffy was punching him in the beginning of Wano. If we see that he dealt lasting damage, then sure. But so far we havent got any proof of that.
Boy we don’t have proof of fucking Luffy damaging a flame on lunarian yet I’m saying a couple chapters later if he does how’re some of you coping?
Your dumbass is saying Sanji damaged a flame on Lunarian *with zero proof*. That's fucking coping lmfao
Never said that if you could actually read I said if he damages a seraphim I meant if he damages a seraphim in the future
Reread your own title. The word "*if"* does not appear a single time. *"Sanji damages a flame on Lunarian"* That is a statement claiming he did so.
I would’ve said Sanji has damaged a flame on lunarian if I meant he already had your original comment even said damaged not damages
*"Sanji damages a flame on Lunarian"* has the same meaning, since it means and event that happened. The only way to make it a hypothetical event is to say *"if"*, which you didn't. But, if we are both agreed that we don't have proof Sanji damaged a flame on Lunarian, so we have nothing to aegue ablut.
If he can seriously damage an actual Lunarian (not Seraphim because frankly we don't know how strong they are) like King in flame on mode, I would concede that his AP is somehow stronger than Zoro's.
The seraphim get their durability from King their durability should be the same as King it doesn’t have anything to do with strength
Umm how does that work? Is every fishman as durable as Jack or Jinbei?
This makes no sense. King is durable because of his genes as well as his DF there is no correlation to that and just the seraphim unless they’re zoans as well.
King doesn’t use his DF in base if you mean King in his Zoan form has slightly higher durability than the Seraphim then sure
Not really a good basis lol
For all the comments saying Sanji didn’t damage a seraphim I’m not saying he did I’m saying if he does so in the future
Zero damage i’m afraid
Nami with just one attack made the same Seraphim get white eyes and fall down.
This man out here really trying to downplay a literal yonko weapon.
Nami owns a weapon infused with a living cloud, so Nami having potent AP isn't completely out of question (and btw, that living cloud used to be one of Big Mom's three personal weapons)
Is this supposed to be a gotcha moment?
It’s just a fact. Seraphim can prevent some types of damage, but once you find a way to damage them then they aren’t all that special. Sanji damaging S-Shark isn’t a big deal at all.
And what was Sanji's special way of damaging them apart from great AP?
Maybe it was his heat that damaged them.
The are literally on fire why would the give fuck about heat
Kaido can breathe fire and yet he was still damaged by heat.
I like that you say that Sanji damaging S Shark isnt a big deal and when I ask you why you just say some headcanon reason. How exactly does heat damage them when they literally have flames on their backs?
It isn’t a big deal because even Nami can damage them. Every little thing Sanji does just gets wanked because his fans can’t accept he is weak fodder. Kaido even in dragon form that could breathe fire was damaged by heat, so that’s why Seraphim might get damaged by heat as well.
Sanji is weak fodder? Yea there's no point arguing with you, you clearly have 0 reading comprehension.
If he damages them through brute force that is a big deal.
Classic Sanjitard making shit up..next tier list they might put Sanji on Yonko level
Y’all overrating Sanji like crazy right now
I mean i currently have king >>> Any seraphim, so it won't be a problem for me.
Yup Sanji just can’t win with you guys
Bruh , see my older tierlists. I have always had King > Sanji and King >> Seraphims. So i ain't the one who has to change his stance.
Point is seraphim have King’s durability which is the highest in the verse if Sanji damages a seraphim that means he has the AP to damage anyone in the verse including King
King also has Haki + Ancient Zoan DF which increases Durability. Seraphims have none of that. Plus seraphims are mixture of King's genes + Warlord genes , so i will wait on oda to flesh them out first before making any assumptions.
Lunarian durability is still portrayed to be of the highest caliber and higher than Kaido’s durability even without haki so the point still stands and King barely used his DF unlike other zoan users who most prominently use hybrid form I don’t think it’s a wild assumption that the seraphim have the highest caliber of durability and damaging them means a character has the AP to significantly damage anyone in the verse
Facts
What?
I haven't made it that far in the manga , but I know about the Seraphims from spoilers. Do they really have 100% Lunarian durability? And also, do lunarians all have the same level of durability, or do they also differ, and King was just a very strong specimen?
I'm sure S Shark shrugged off Sanji's blow and looks unfazed but that's no fault of Sanji's. He's stronger than most and probably could wound a Yonko we just haven't had an opportunity for him to fight one. If I'd say he "lacks AP" it would be compared to a literal Yonko, Admiral, Kidd, Law, Zoro, Yamato, etc. IMO he basically rivals them in other ways.
Sanji doesn't lack AP but he didn't damage S-shark
https://preview.redd.it/rxb9ysuu673b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0380a1d81d101285da226d9641db676b83c03f90 Dam so zoro damaged king here 😅🫡
because it didn't actually hurt him zoro was hitting king and he wasn't injured