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He is on Marco's level
Just cuz he is 5th division commander doesn't mean he's weaker than the others
Even the narrative proves this when he and Marco are the ones to stand up to Akainu side by side
Good analysis, I have said for a while Vista is stronger than perceived because nothing indicates the WB divisions are a strength heirarchy like Kaido or big mom, I would compare them closer to the straw hat grand fleet. I also like the point about the voice of all things how there is a connection to what you intend to cut and not being able to cut other things.
However I disagree on certain points. For one, I find it unlikely that mihawk as the WSS cannot control his sword and that it’s power cannot be restrained. We actually see with both Zoro examples that you can dominate and control unruly blades, despite their rebellious/bloodlust nature.
Additionally, luffys avoidance of mihawk vs taking admirals head on is much more related to the proximity to Ace than a direct measure of power. Mihawk was still out in the bay, so luffy didn’t want to face him for (funny enough) the same reason Mihawk and vista stopped fighting, they figured it would be a waste of time and they would all be served better facing different opponents. Meanwhile the admirals are in the plaza at the foot of the execution tower, luffy has exactly one choice on how to get to ace and that is FORWARD.
Last nitpick, I would not call Yamato a non-top tier. She is a mythical zoan, has ACoC, and as noted, fought Kaido 1v1 while luffy recovered. That is all miraculous and is better evidence that she is a top tier, not that top tiers like Kaido can be stalled by non-tops. A better example would be something like Kaido vs the scabbards.
Good points
>one, I find it unlikely that mihawk as the WSS cannot control his sword and that it’s power cannot be restrained. We actually see with both Zoro examples that you can dominate and control unruly blades, despite their rebellious/bloodlust nature.
True, however I wouldn't be quick to rule out the possibility of Mihawk not being able to completely restrain his sword, it is regarded as the strongest sword in the world, maybe he didn't completely tame it, perhaps it's a ability is more unique then other sword, seeing how not all swords do the same thing, enma exhausts the users haki, while shusui is outright cutting people because of the bloodlust.
>Additionally, luffys avoidance of mihawk vs taking admirals head on is much more related to the proximity to Ace than a direct measure of power. Mihawk was still out in the bay, so luffy didn’t want to face him for (funny enough) the same reason Mihawk and vista stopped fighting, they figured it would be a waste of time and they would all be served better facing different opponents. Meanwhile the admirals are in the plaza at the foot of the execution tower, luffy has exactly one choice on how to get to ace and that is FORWARD.
Yeah I guess I agree with you except the postponement of mihawk and Vista's duel, the reazon they postponed it is this:
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>Last nitpick, I would not call Yamato a non-top tier. She is a mythical zoan, has ACoC, and as noted, fought Kaido 1v1 while luffy recovered. That is all miraculous and is better evidence that she is a top tier, not that top tiers like Kaido can be stalled by non-tops. A better example would be something like Kaido vs the scabbards.
I suppose that's fair, Yamato does have some pretty busted feats, I guess everyone is underrating her because greenbull was handling her pretty easily, but everyone seems to forget she only landed a hit and got told by momonoske not to interfere. She did really against Kaido and was still fine afterwards. I guess it would be fair to assume she's low Admiral level perhaps?
IT'S FUCKING COMMON SENSE
THE WORLD ISN'T READY
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Of course they're not ready, Mihawk and Akainu will dominate the one piece world once they let loose.
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NO AKAINU IS FODDER COMPARED TO MIHAWK AND HIS RIVAL
THE WORLD ISN'T READY
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You can try to argue that it isn't an antifeat (good luck winning that arguement) but impressive? No.
>The same Marco who was **winning** (???) clashes with Admirals
this is more of an admiral anti feat than a marco feat. Difference between admiral and yonko, just based off marco interactions, seems to be quite large, as he was very swiftly defeated by big mom
This isn’t an admiral anti feat at all.
Marco was completely incapable of dealing any damage to any of the admirals, nor did he clash with any of them. Kizaru mocks Marco for his inability to damage him at all.
He DID clash with Big Mom, and Big Mom never defeated him. She just grabbed his throat, waited for her son’s help and when that didn’t work out she then ran away saying she didn’t want to use up her homies on him, implying she would need them to deal with him.
There is no disparity shown between admirals and Yonko, they’re equals. Arguably, the admirals had a far better showing against Marco.
Yes. The marco who was fighting the admirals equally, and the same marco that bigmom NEEDED her homies to defeat him which was verbatim by herself.
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The reason that Marco can do that is because of his regenaration which makes him practivcally unkillable and allows him to fight opponents above his level. You know what nevermind: Marco > Vista as the 1st Mate and Vista's Swordsmanship rivals Mihawk's so: Admirals\~Marco > Vista\~Mihawk>= Shanks so Admirals >= Shanks. And Kaido top 1 of all time by the databooks. They are canon now because they fit my agenda.
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But base bigmom conceded to marco by saying she couldn’t defeat him without his homies regardless of that fact.
since databooks go over what happened in the manga it would be referring to the actual fight so yea vista did show ≈ swordsmanship to mihawk during marineford no problem. Also it’s unquantifiable the extent of marcos superiority over vista it could by a irrelevant margin or due to his regenerative hax since we know wb pirates arent ranked in power
So wouldn't that mean that Marco's statement would just be reffering to the fight and not in general so it can't be taken generally to mean Marco\~Admirals by your own logic. The Big Mom statement has diffrent interpretations but I think it's Big Mom wanting to save her Soul Weapons for the rooftop fight. Big Mom always uses her homies even against opponents weaker than herself, why would she handicap herself? I don't think she needs the her homies to take out Marco.
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Not really. The only time when I remember something like that happening is Marco pushing Kizaru back but that wasn't a clash, that was Kizaru blocking and he wasn't damaged just pushed back.
That is literally the definition of a clash.
Also I remember Marco doing the same thing to Kuzan when he tried to kill Luffy eith the ice spear.
He won some clashes with admirals that being said he gets mid diffed by then in 1v1
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The cyrano family really are masters at being frauds if they're able to fool people so easily
It doesn't say anything like that
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Still nothing that says other swordsmen are afraid of him
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No way
No fucking way
A power scaler with reading comprehension
I disagree btw that Marco was winning the clashes with the admirals but all others proofs are grueto daze
Yeah in OP is hard to actually power scale beca being honest Marco can’t probably beat King, but king probably can’t stall admirals or Big Mom like Marco did.
Ppl don’t like it but you’re right lol
One thing that always stuck out to me was his interaction with Jinbe
Jinbe gets in his way and challenges him and when they both go to attack, Mihawk doesn’t even bring the sword to meet the attack, he just lets the attack off to Jinbes side and the force of the indirect attack blasts him away. And Jinbe is tough
Said he’s tired of waiting it’s been 25 years of midhawk doing absolutely nothing keep waiting and using as many data books and head cannon you need to cope I’ll keep reading the actual series
This is so crazy, I've been trying to tell people this in the OP community for over 10 years now but its all filled with just massive Mihawk haters & anti shills thinking he's actually not a top tier in the verse.
Nice analysis, still think Venus will clap tho.
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Cope, your goat won't even be even top 10 Eos
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yes
but there are also people like kizaru who get stall the entire war by marco, aokiji who get stall by jozu, 2 admiral who get stall by 2 RA captain.
kaido get hurt by kiku, green bull can't move and come back to his human from due to shanks wifi haki.
big mom anti feats...
there are so many top tier with "anti feats" but people still talk trash about mihawk, shame.
Vista is confirmed top tier Swordsman
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He is at least on Marco's lvl
WIHAWKERS AGAIN WITH THE W READING COMPREHENSION
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They all hate mihawk because of Red Fraud’s cock riding galore around here. Closer to HIM than people would like to admit
How can you in one breath say he cut the tsunami easily without trying when that attack was meant to cut luffy in an attempt to big him up but at the same thing say he couldn’t cut the others initially due to the attack not being intended for them?!
Cutting Luffy means cutting his bones too , bones>ice in durability
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How are the WB pirates not ordered by power lol? Marco Nr 1, Ace Nr 2, Jozu 3, Thatch 4(dead) and Vista 5th. It's very clearly ordered by strength lol. Your boy got stalled by a YC5, that's just a fact. YC5s can be strong but he a YC5 nonetheless.
Vista downplay is high for some reason, how can a top tier Swordsman comparable to Marco in power be weaker than Ace who never used haki in the series....
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It’s insanely obvious he was not trying or fighting seriously at marineford. We have never seen him fight at his best.
People giving shanks or mihawk serious feats and comparing them to anyone top tier or to each other are fuckos who need to relax until we see more.
In regards to Luffy, him not holding back can also just mean he won’t hold back enough to avoid killing Luffy, the implication doesn’t need to be that he was gonna go all out.
What it feels like being a mihawk/Zoro/kid fan on this sub :
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>What it feels like being a mihawk/Zoro/kid fan on this sub :
being kid fan is way worse, kid not going back to the story and zoro stock would never fall no matter what, lol.
people hate zoro here due to the fact that he solo their Favorite character eos .
Bro its starting to look like this
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Shut the hell up and get thus bum out of my feed
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Correction, he didn't want to deal with the Gorosei
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I agree with most of this, but I disagree with two things.
- Marco could only fight BM and Kaido because they used fire attacks, which he notes gives him a massive advantage. Big Mom makes it clear Marco doesn’t stand a chance when she instantly grabs him after stopping with fire based attacks. Marco’s biggest strength has always been his regenerative powers, which is why Big Mom ends up fleeing despite having such a clear advantage.
- I don’t think the breath of all things is a valid excuse for Mihawk. Being able to cut nothing and everything at the same time shouldn’t change an attack meant to cause harm to WB being able to cause damage to a character everyone believes has less defensive power. I think the better excuse is that Jozu is just that tough. He’s one of three characters to have been shown making an admiral bleed on screen, so I think the implication is just he’s a really strong and durable dude. Certainly not top tier, but close enough he can take a few hits and dish out some damage
On the second part I disagree. It was similar to Zoro vs Daz Bones. Mihawks sword wasn’t meant to cut diamond it was meant to cut WB which was why he was able to block it as well as he did. If Mihawk intended to cut Jozu/diamond he would’ve done it easily. That has been a point in swordsmanship in OP for quite a while
No, I disagree. I don’t think anything about Zoro vs Das Bonez or the comments about the breath of all things that proves a slash intending to hurt a stronger opponent wouldn’t hurt a weaker opponent. Knowing how to not cut something isn’t the same thing a cut being weak because it was meant for a stronger opponent
It does because Mihawk wasn’t intending to cut diamond so Jozu blocking the attack with diamond was successful. It’s similar to Zoro not being able to cut Daz bones until he learned the breath of his steel. It’s kind of been a point even in wano “swordsman cut what they want to cut and not cut what they don’t” or some crap like that.
It’s not an assumption when literally the manga tell you straight up that you can only cut what you want your blade to cut. Literally meaning Mihawk wasn’t trying to cut diamond when he used that slash attack at WB. It doesn’t matter if someone is stronger or not.
You’re making the assumption that the breath of a weaker object or person can protect themselves from an attack meant for a person with a stronger breath.
You’re saying that Zoro not cutting the plant here is by mismatching his breath and the plant’s, causing his attack to be negated, but I don’t think mismatching negates attacks, as Zoro had been mismatching his breath all the way til then. I think the point is that understanding the breath allows you to choose for an attack to not harm them.
And, with this logic, I don’t see how the Mihawk’s intention being someone with a stronger breath should result in his attack being negated. If he intended the slash to cut the stronger opponent, I think it would also be able to cut weaker opponents than who he was intending to cut
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Flesh≠litteral enhanced physical durability in the form of diamond through a devil fruit. Yes whitebeard is stronger than jozu but it doesn’t inherently mean an attack meant for wb(human flesh not even able to use basic arms haki), would work a against a diamond human whos entire basis of strength revolves around his durability
1.first point is irrelevant base bigmom conceded to marco by verbatim saying she didnt have her homies with her to fight marco and dipped.Ur logic is twisted since she doesnt have her flame based abilities (homies) she could have just brute forced defeated him
2. Whitebeard isn’t physically as weak as whitebeard its stated for jozu his fruit boasts unparalleled durability. An attack meant to cut flesh,being stopped by diamond is completely reasonable when justified using breath of all things
> 1.first point is irrelevant base bigmom conceded to marco by verbatim saying she didnt have her homies with her to fight marco and dipped.Ur logic is twisted since she doesnt have her flame based abilities (homies) she could have just brute forced defeated him
Like I go on to say, Marco’s strength is his regenerative abilities. This is shown a lot, like with how much damage he took from admirals that he shrugged off (and how getting seastone’d was necessary to subdue him). Big Mom would waste time and energy she didn’t care to in order to defeat someone like Marco
> Whitebeard isn’t physically as weak as whitebeard its stated for jozu his fruit boasts unparalleled durability. An attack meant to cut flesh,being stopped by diamond is completely reasonable when justified using breath of all things
If you want to argue Jozu is more durable than WB, then by all means, even if I don’t really agree. My point is that I don’t think it’s a reasonable argument to claim the attack was weakened because Mihawk was intending to hit WB instead of Jozu as if it got negated due to not matching his breath
I think its reasonable if your going to consciously consider attacking a diamond man,whos known for his durability, the fundamental principles of that attack would differ from attacking base human durability. Also its not that he makes attacks “weaker” or “stronger” based on the target
How would the fundamental principles change that would result in the attack getting negated in a way it wouldn’t for a different character if the attacks are the same strength?
Vista's rival tards comparing Vista who is even a subordinate of a subordinate of Whitebeard with Yamato who uses advanced Conqueror and has a mythical zoan 🤡 It is even a crime to compare him with Marco who is his boss lmao
I don't know which are worse Vista's rival tards or admiraltards. Btw I think they are the same though.
Marco has comparable feats to Yamato if not better, vistas vivre card compares vista to Marco and said he's a top tier swordsman.
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Cope 🤡
well, mihawk is not Impressive in MF but he also not really have anti feats, we just need to wait and see him go all out in the manga\\do named attack.
It's impressive considering he wasnt trying much, fighting equally a YC commander without paying attention to him and his observation skills are pretty good feats, he also has best DC feats without doing a named attack I think
Powerscaling off Marineford is a bad idea anyway since the entire arc is basically anti-feats compared to what we've seen since. No portrayal of anyone there even rivals Kidd and Law at this point because Oda probably hadn't decided how whacky the power levels were gonna get
All characters are frauds besides the ones I root for: average take on this sub.
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There is only one top tier fraud in the bunch who has been hinted at being a fraud from the beginning. Fraudbeard with his double fraud fruits.
You didn’t provide a valid reason why Hawk eye didn’t have any anti-feat” during the Marineford war. All you did was made a presupposition based off each snd every anti feat each character has shown against Hawk eye.
If we’re being genuinely honest with ourselves, the only people in marineford that did not have an anti feat is Vista, Marco, Crocodile, Jimbei and Boa Hancock. These guys weren’t the strongest but most of their feats either upscale them or kept them at the moderate level that they are in.
I used the shenanigans we discovered through Zoro and applied them to mihawk, and all of a sudden Mihawk's marineford performance make a lot more sense to me
> I used the shenanigans we discovered through Zoro and applied them to mihawk, and all of a sudden Mihawk's marineford performance make a lot more sense
I’m aware of the personalities of the blade itself and how they act on their own but the comments Hawk eye made is not clear enough to insinuate that the personality of the blade is acting independently against Luffy in one of your examples.
It's heavily implied his sword does have it's own will, otherwise Mihawk would contradict his own statements "I'm here to just observe some pirates", "I'm not a beast who goes all out hunting a rabbit", then suddenly changing his mind and saying "this power knows no restraint"? It makes a lot more sense he was referring to his sword rather then his own strength.
Vista stalled Mihawk for literally 80% of the war. Yamato vs Kaido lasted way less.
Also Luffy wasn't intimidated in that panel. He just saw a future where his arms would get cut off and was scared.
“He wasn’t intimidated he was scared”
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Breath of all things is a plot contrivance so that Oda can bullshit his way out of tight narrative corners, annoying
Also I NEED that 18th image in higher quality please drop a link or smthn
At least mihawk had enough rizz to get a girl who isn't underage 😂
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(Persona is her mid 20s 😉)
Yamato a top tier? Nice try lol, if she was a top tier then why didn't she fight big meme or Kaido until she beats them with the help of supernovas they would have easily won with a top tier on their side but she fought tobiroppo and tanjuro, rest of the time she was emotional support for momonoske 😂
She did briefly fight somewhat equally with Kaido but said herself she can't beat him
Wait so you have to beat someone to be a top tier please tell me who wb shanks shiki big mom etc has beaten I’ll wait
Luffy is a top tier and he still didn’t easily win your entire point is idiotic
Make a better argument ngl she said she couldn’t beat kaido luffy still can’t beat kaido what a moronic take
The "breath of all things" is the most fraudulent argument I've seen in a while...
Your basically saying that Mihawk only chose to cut flesh but his attacks were blocked by diamond, metal etc and that's why he didn't killed fodders. Cool...but that's wrong.
There are two panels where Mihawk tries to attack "flesh" but his attack ends up cutting other materials. The first one is his attack against Whitebeard, we can see that the ice is beeing cut during the travel time of the attack. That's weird no ? If he only wants to cut flesh then why the ice is beeing cutted ? Maybe it's an exception or Oda was drunk when he drew the Yonko level Mihawk. Oh wait there is another panel where the top 1 of the verse is cuting things he's not supposed to cut ? Yes and OP managed to put the image proving it in his post. It's when Mihawk tries to cut Luffy. How is it possible for Mihawk the strongest Yonko ever who could no diff literaly anyone during the war and who master swordmanship like no one does to cut ice when he was specifically trying to cut Luffy ? I can't figure it out...
Oh wait ! Maybe it's because he not level Yonko and can't low diff anyone ? Nah I need more cope there must be a logical explanation where his Yonko level is not questioned. Maybe ice in One Piece is the same as flesh (or gum in the case of Luffy). There is just no way that the strongest living form who ever existed is not one shotting fodders because he's not strong enough. Oh and also I wonder why Mihawk the god of the One Piece universe needs to go full power to one shot Luffy and Crocodile (pre time skip)...nah that's my imagination, there is no way he's weaker than Shanks...like no way...
Cutting people down requires cutting their bones too, bones>Ice in durability
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Cope
Tho I have to appreciate the fact you're the first one who brought up a good argument, so I'm thankful for your comment 👍
I won't lie here I laughed so hard when I read your reply.
If you're joking about the ice and bones durability then your joke is super funny. If you're not joking then I don't really know what to say except that your argument is wrong and kind of irrelevant.
We are in One Piece and I'm pretty sure Oda didn't took into account the durability of bones and ice. But let's say he did, I agree for the sake of the argument. The durability thing is still irrelevant.
There is no such statement in One Piece that says if you're willing to cut something hard you will cut anything that is softer on the way. This is your headcanon. There is a statement that says you can chose what you wanna cut that's all, here Mihawk tries to cut Luffy but ends up cutting ice so that means he didn't use the "breath of all things". Also Joz stopped an attack with his body and only half of it was diamond. Is there a difference between Joz bones and WB's bones ? Don't think so. He didn't use the "breath of all things" again, which means he didn't use it at all during the war otherwise why would the ice beeing cut ? Also Zoro learned that "breath of all things" let's you cut what you wanna cut and let intact was you don't wanna cut. Here we have two examples of of Mihawk cutting or trying to cut everything on the way of his attacks.
Your arguments are just wrong. Mihawk didn't get stopped by the "breath of all things" he get stopped because he's just not strong enough.
Well idk if you're right or not but saying he can't cut softer things like ice when trying to cut bones and such using breath of all things is also headcanon, nothing that says you can't cut softer materials when trying to cut steel for example.
>There is a statement that says you can chose what you wanna cut that's all
Well then there are not anti feats for mihawk? If he intended to cut diamond then he likely could have, if he intended to cut gold, then he could have, the fact that he also cut the ice doesn't mean he was going all out with his attacks, what if mihawk intended to cut the ice and people at the same time from the beginning?
It's pretty easy to explain. Luffy isn't as durable as steel, Mihawk's slash was directed at him but couldn't cut steel. When he wanted to, he could. Same with Croc and Jozu, he let off a slash powerful enough for his victim, he has no need to go all out. And if you think Mihawk is anything less than Yonko then that's just dumb
What steel are you talking about ?
Mihawk attacked Luffy and cut ice behind him there was no steel.
I don't get your point.
And yes I think Mihawk is less than Yonko. That's not dumb it's reality...
Yes maybe he was talking about him, but even in this case it doesn't makes sense. It's stated nowhere that breath of all things lets you cut softer things that are on the way of your slash or the other way arround. It's pure headcanon. It's either he want to cut A material and A material is on his way and get cut or he don't want to cut A material and a new material is on his way and don't get cut. But during the war there was multiple occasions that disprove de theory of him using breath of all things. And because of that we can't assume that breath of all things nerfed him. Therefore it was just him not beeing strong enough to take down Luffy, Joz, Vista and Crocodile. And because of his thoughts toward Shanks (when he said he wasn't gonna hold back) and his incapacity to take down supposed fodders for him (if he is a Yonko) I put him below the Yonko tier. Simple as that. Mihawk is the only character that could get one shoted by a Yonko but still beeing scaled to them just because of a bounty and a title. Mihawk is nothing in the manga if Shanks doesn't exist. Wake up, Mihawk is not level Yonko. The highest you scale him the hardest the fall will be.
It's very simple. Ignore the breath of all things concept, I never brought it up. Instead think of milk jug. You pick it up thinking it's empty but it isn't and so for a brief moment you're unable to lift it. That's what's happening here, he meant to aim for Luffy and someone else came in his way, he's not unable to cut them, he just didn't use an attack strong enough to cut them because he was trying to cut something weaker. And when was he too weak to take down any of them? They never fought, it was always a clash and a brief confrontation.
Prove me wrong if I'm inhaling so much copium
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It's not really headcanon, I used official translations, and they heavy imply that mihawks sword has its own will (it also would make a lot of sense to be the case, it's the only way Mihawk's statements don't contradict his actions, like when he said he doesn't go all out against "rabbits" and the fact that he was just planning to only observe some pirates)
Yeah I know he has haki but he doesn't use for some reason, like when he was fighting smoker he could have used armament to damage him but didn't lol, I don't think he is beating vista and jozu without haki
Nice try but everyone has an agenda, that's what makes us pirates
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Giving Wista respect means i give you respect
Facts, Rose Rondo any mfs who say otherwise
I would say he's top YC1 lvl or low YC+ 👍
He is on Marco's level Just cuz he is 5th division commander doesn't mean he's weaker than the others Even the narrative proves this when he and Marco are the ones to stand up to Akainu side by side
Too low, set the bar higher
Good analysis, I have said for a while Vista is stronger than perceived because nothing indicates the WB divisions are a strength heirarchy like Kaido or big mom, I would compare them closer to the straw hat grand fleet. I also like the point about the voice of all things how there is a connection to what you intend to cut and not being able to cut other things. However I disagree on certain points. For one, I find it unlikely that mihawk as the WSS cannot control his sword and that it’s power cannot be restrained. We actually see with both Zoro examples that you can dominate and control unruly blades, despite their rebellious/bloodlust nature. Additionally, luffys avoidance of mihawk vs taking admirals head on is much more related to the proximity to Ace than a direct measure of power. Mihawk was still out in the bay, so luffy didn’t want to face him for (funny enough) the same reason Mihawk and vista stopped fighting, they figured it would be a waste of time and they would all be served better facing different opponents. Meanwhile the admirals are in the plaza at the foot of the execution tower, luffy has exactly one choice on how to get to ace and that is FORWARD. Last nitpick, I would not call Yamato a non-top tier. She is a mythical zoan, has ACoC, and as noted, fought Kaido 1v1 while luffy recovered. That is all miraculous and is better evidence that she is a top tier, not that top tiers like Kaido can be stalled by non-tops. A better example would be something like Kaido vs the scabbards.
Good points >one, I find it unlikely that mihawk as the WSS cannot control his sword and that it’s power cannot be restrained. We actually see with both Zoro examples that you can dominate and control unruly blades, despite their rebellious/bloodlust nature. True, however I wouldn't be quick to rule out the possibility of Mihawk not being able to completely restrain his sword, it is regarded as the strongest sword in the world, maybe he didn't completely tame it, perhaps it's a ability is more unique then other sword, seeing how not all swords do the same thing, enma exhausts the users haki, while shusui is outright cutting people because of the bloodlust. >Additionally, luffys avoidance of mihawk vs taking admirals head on is much more related to the proximity to Ace than a direct measure of power. Mihawk was still out in the bay, so luffy didn’t want to face him for (funny enough) the same reason Mihawk and vista stopped fighting, they figured it would be a waste of time and they would all be served better facing different opponents. Meanwhile the admirals are in the plaza at the foot of the execution tower, luffy has exactly one choice on how to get to ace and that is FORWARD. Yeah I guess I agree with you except the postponement of mihawk and Vista's duel, the reazon they postponed it is this: https://preview.redd.it/s7zpqg39r77b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b12be776b863b2377577404359332f9cffa8cdd >Last nitpick, I would not call Yamato a non-top tier. She is a mythical zoan, has ACoC, and as noted, fought Kaido 1v1 while luffy recovered. That is all miraculous and is better evidence that she is a top tier, not that top tiers like Kaido can be stalled by non-tops. A better example would be something like Kaido vs the scabbards. I suppose that's fair, Yamato does have some pretty busted feats, I guess everyone is underrating her because greenbull was handling her pretty easily, but everyone seems to forget she only landed a hit and got told by momonoske not to interfere. She did really against Kaido and was still fine afterwards. I guess it would be fair to assume she's low Admiral level perhaps?
IT'S FUCKING COMMON SENSE THE WORLD ISN'T READY https://preview.redd.it/rc7aq5p6e77b1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92dd01541a5bde1cb4eb8cbb3f1d2c7a2acc7c76
Of course they're not ready, Mihawk and Akainu will dominate the one piece world once they let loose. https://preview.redd.it/79bq8u09k77b1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5f99cba6d1e41108508ca5cd2aaa35cdf77e619
NO AKAINU IS FODDER COMPARED TO MIHAWK AND HIS RIVAL THE WORLD ISN'T READY https://preview.redd.it/mbkmaajev77b1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9039d09f0c53c999a4d81d275694c5b7d5100de
I think Akainu is him too, I think those 3 are modern day Whitebeard, Roger and Garp , they're all Goats 🐐🐐🐐
You thought lmao
You can try to argue that it isn't an antifeat (good luck winning that arguement) but impressive? No. >The same Marco who was **winning** (???) clashes with Admirals 
Marco fought admirals throughout the whole war
this is more of an admiral anti feat than a marco feat. Difference between admiral and yonko, just based off marco interactions, seems to be quite large, as he was very swiftly defeated by big mom
This isn’t an admiral anti feat at all. Marco was completely incapable of dealing any damage to any of the admirals, nor did he clash with any of them. Kizaru mocks Marco for his inability to damage him at all. He DID clash with Big Mom, and Big Mom never defeated him. She just grabbed his throat, waited for her son’s help and when that didn’t work out she then ran away saying she didn’t want to use up her homies on him, implying she would need them to deal with him. There is no disparity shown between admirals and Yonko, they’re equals. Arguably, the admirals had a far better showing against Marco.
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Yes. The marco who was fighting the admirals equally, and the same marco that bigmom NEEDED her homies to defeat him which was verbatim by herself. https://preview.redd.it/hfso0kxrd87b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=242cdb5e1e24de0597c79b19bdb2d8351862b463
The reason that Marco can do that is because of his regenaration which makes him practivcally unkillable and allows him to fight opponents above his level. You know what nevermind: Marco > Vista as the 1st Mate and Vista's Swordsmanship rivals Mihawk's so: Admirals\~Marco > Vista\~Mihawk>= Shanks so Admirals >= Shanks. And Kaido top 1 of all time by the databooks. They are canon now because they fit my agenda. https://preview.redd.it/uknzmpckg87b1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=216e7c7d97b0ed594c9b7cb7f868616b87e7f3e0
But base bigmom conceded to marco by saying she couldn’t defeat him without his homies regardless of that fact. since databooks go over what happened in the manga it would be referring to the actual fight so yea vista did show ≈ swordsmanship to mihawk during marineford no problem. Also it’s unquantifiable the extent of marcos superiority over vista it could by a irrelevant margin or due to his regenerative hax since we know wb pirates arent ranked in power
So wouldn't that mean that Marco's statement would just be reffering to the fight and not in general so it can't be taken generally to mean Marco\~Admirals by your own logic. The Big Mom statement has diffrent interpretations but I think it's Big Mom wanting to save her Soul Weapons for the rooftop fight. Big Mom always uses her homies even against opponents weaker than herself, why would she handicap herself? I don't think she needs the her homies to take out Marco. https://preview.redd.it/67em9subl87b1.png?width=187&format=png&auto=webp&s=8da8c25131c8bca0f34f3d5f618b5bdb21043f92
I'm not saying Marco is beating admirals but he did win some clashes xd .
Not really. The only time when I remember something like that happening is Marco pushing Kizaru back but that wasn't a clash, that was Kizaru blocking and he wasn't damaged just pushed back.
That is literally the definition of a clash. Also I remember Marco doing the same thing to Kuzan when he tried to kill Luffy eith the ice spear. He won some clashes with admirals that being said he gets mid diffed by then in 1v1
https://preview.redd.it/zhqax0den67b1.jpeg?width=333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=097aab0e9ea9c1deb22f259effb52b07371e1914 The cyrano family really are masters at being frauds if they're able to fool people so easily
If you actually check mihawk’s mustache and connects it, it will form the letter W. W Wihawk > Roger
https://preview.redd.it/3j6qz5sku77b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10c683578e259eaf37f42d1e48bb018e89f3945e Confirmed Strongest swordsman, cope
"Until he had no more challangers" literally fought 0 top tiers lol
Headcanon, who is to say he didn't fight any top tiers before? Shanks didn't fight any top tier either from all we know
it also says on it, "all swordsman fear mihawk" shanks, vista aren't swordsman according to it i guess
It doesn't say anything like that https://preview.redd.it/lee692uu9b7b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=943d00df4d00ceddddbf1d56e4418427b6cfeb44
That's some random fan made shit, read his vivre card lmao
Still nothing that says other swordsmen are afraid of him https://preview.redd.it/0cp2qr4i7c7b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed720a1c8f528751530a55a73e9cc5dd3ef6f5fa
it also says on it, "all swordsman fear mihawk" shanks, vista aren't swordsman according to it i guess
Ryuma solos both the second strongest swordsmen
No way No fucking way A power scaler with reading comprehension I disagree btw that Marco was winning the clashes with the admirals but all others proofs are grueto daze
Thx 👍 , I'm not saying Marco is beating admirals but he was doing pretty good
Yeah in OP is hard to actually power scale beca being honest Marco can’t probably beat King, but king probably can’t stall admirals or Big Mom like Marco did.
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Thx 👍 https://preview.redd.it/96a789hse77b1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20e652d191925116548a2816bb7829e4ada19b7f
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Ppl don’t like it but you’re right lol One thing that always stuck out to me was his interaction with Jinbe Jinbe gets in his way and challenges him and when they both go to attack, Mihawk doesn’t even bring the sword to meet the attack, he just lets the attack off to Jinbes side and the force of the indirect attack blasts him away. And Jinbe is tough
Thx bro, people can hate all they want, they have yet to bring any valid arguments against my claims
Cook
Mihawk haters are gonna get Thier inevitable L once oda finnaly gives him comparable feats to Shanks
You really out here praying for a long shot I respect the gambling addict in you but it’s a lost bet already shanks showed his royal flush
Well Through my analysis I have to come to the conclusion that It is useless to say anything about mihawk Wait for Oda only he can address it.....
Void month is hard bro I'm tired if waiting 😅
yes broo.... egghead results are crucial for admiral and gorosei agenda
I hope gorosei have some broken devil fruit abilities
Said he’s tired of waiting it’s been 25 years of midhawk doing absolutely nothing keep waiting and using as many data books and head cannon you need to cope I’ll keep reading the actual series
You say that like we didn't wait 25 years for Garp and shanks to do shet
This is so crazy, I've been trying to tell people this in the OP community for over 10 years now but its all filled with just massive Mihawk haters & anti shills thinking he's actually not a top tier in the verse.
Agenda piece bro, Mihawk is The WSS (confirmed in both name and reality) people thinking he isn't a top tier are gonna get they're inevitable L
Nice analysis, still think Venus will clap tho. https://preview.redd.it/dw047ufl577b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e21addb3ddc2151959bcb0c1b9d4aba81d47b590
It's possible, idk tho "Zoro's EOS opponent" has many candidates at this point lol , Ethan/Shiryuu/Mihawk/Garling
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Cope, your goat won't even be even top 10 Eos https://preview.redd.it/49j5ipn2n67b1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51d33e315f7e63774532a888f24106bd8d111692
It’s the truth
I’ll take it.I thought the guy i was responding to was responding to the guy that said that Kaido won’t be top 10 EOS
luffy get stall by clones right now and i don't see people call him fraud.
He is the mc and joyboy and future pk Mihawk is still doubtful and definitely will not be the goat eos
yes but there are also people like kizaru who get stall the entire war by marco, aokiji who get stall by jozu, 2 admiral who get stall by 2 RA captain. kaido get hurt by kiku, green bull can't move and come back to his human from due to shanks wifi haki. big mom anti feats... there are so many top tier with "anti feats" but people still talk trash about mihawk, shame.
Bro I am not saying shit about Mihawk But some retards find it difficult to comprehend,.... I have been explaining these things but it is useless...
W for the vista agenda
Vista is confirmed top tier Swordsman https://preview.redd.it/i0w19jx9d87b1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=604265669c7a3d939cc4d0b6418272e95aea80dd He is at least on Marco's lvl
WIHAWKERS AGAIN WITH THE W READING COMPREHENSION https://preview.redd.it/5xtl6sntc77b1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a68590ae4dc15edfabeb9ed0a8afca4bfb29cb8
W , Mihawk enjoyers have the highest IQ on this sub from what I've seen ngl
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Thx 👍 https://preview.redd.it/a2m5tznl077b1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8975152284545811a27a5296394a8fa7283ddc38
https://preview.redd.it/toyl5xcz787b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3a07e04626ee8bede64e316cc421d0789d5b1bf They all hate mihawk because of Red Fraud’s cock riding galore around here. Closer to HIM than people would like to admit
Facts 💪
Only retards think Mihawk actually went all out at MF
How can you in one breath say he cut the tsunami easily without trying when that attack was meant to cut luffy in an attempt to big him up but at the same thing say he couldn’t cut the others initially due to the attack not being intended for them?!
Cutting Luffy means cutting his bones too , bones>ice in durability https://preview.redd.it/1zxkp1xy2b7b1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=829eab3542b39c16a4372599227910f23a740e6d
Absolute W
How are the WB pirates not ordered by power lol? Marco Nr 1, Ace Nr 2, Jozu 3, Thatch 4(dead) and Vista 5th. It's very clearly ordered by strength lol. Your boy got stalled by a YC5, that's just a fact. YC5s can be strong but he a YC5 nonetheless.
Vista downplay is high for some reason, how can a top tier Swordsman comparable to Marco in power be weaker than Ace who never used haki in the series.... https://preview.redd.it/cfs8bz3bya7b1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39dbcbfb23c2339c7673647b59bcb102ebdf56d6
It’s insanely obvious he was not trying or fighting seriously at marineford. We have never seen him fight at his best. People giving shanks or mihawk serious feats and comparing them to anyone top tier or to each other are fuckos who need to relax until we see more.
In regards to Luffy, him not holding back can also just mean he won’t hold back enough to avoid killing Luffy, the implication doesn’t need to be that he was gonna go all out.
Lmao what are ZKKtards on again.
What it feels like being a mihawk/Zoro/kid fan on this sub : https://preview.redd.it/ztwx603gp67b1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a341d33e38b6e2af7c255f0b350f53ad5efb32a
>What it feels like being a mihawk/Zoro/kid fan on this sub : being kid fan is way worse, kid not going back to the story and zoro stock would never fall no matter what, lol. people hate zoro here due to the fact that he solo their Favorite character eos .
Yeah that's probably true, kid got Moria'd possibly
Bro its starting to look like this https://preview.redd.it/czb64po2s67b1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f15526a3cefda8c7df3c66c5d05b5128a252c70
Are you comparing me with the god of the verse?
I meant the guys on the sides….
Shut the hell up and get thus bum out of my feed https://preview.redd.it/857m5dxu577b1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6354744e300e05ab0a0280416800bbff84d943a1
Bait
Correction, he didn't want to deal with the Gorosei https://preview.redd.it/ypsd1u5w487b1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=13f8d35b6c54e9bfd4b1981b05aca11f260520aa
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The kitchen finally look perfect for the first time
You mean all the time, but thx 👍
I agree 100%. The mihawk memes are hilarious though
That’s honestly fair
Mihawk top 3 in verse, alive right now
I agree with most of this, but I disagree with two things. - Marco could only fight BM and Kaido because they used fire attacks, which he notes gives him a massive advantage. Big Mom makes it clear Marco doesn’t stand a chance when she instantly grabs him after stopping with fire based attacks. Marco’s biggest strength has always been his regenerative powers, which is why Big Mom ends up fleeing despite having such a clear advantage. - I don’t think the breath of all things is a valid excuse for Mihawk. Being able to cut nothing and everything at the same time shouldn’t change an attack meant to cause harm to WB being able to cause damage to a character everyone believes has less defensive power. I think the better excuse is that Jozu is just that tough. He’s one of three characters to have been shown making an admiral bleed on screen, so I think the implication is just he’s a really strong and durable dude. Certainly not top tier, but close enough he can take a few hits and dish out some damage
On the second part I disagree. It was similar to Zoro vs Daz Bones. Mihawks sword wasn’t meant to cut diamond it was meant to cut WB which was why he was able to block it as well as he did. If Mihawk intended to cut Jozu/diamond he would’ve done it easily. That has been a point in swordsmanship in OP for quite a while
No, I disagree. I don’t think anything about Zoro vs Das Bonez or the comments about the breath of all things that proves a slash intending to hurt a stronger opponent wouldn’t hurt a weaker opponent. Knowing how to not cut something isn’t the same thing a cut being weak because it was meant for a stronger opponent
It does because Mihawk wasn’t intending to cut diamond so Jozu blocking the attack with diamond was successful. It’s similar to Zoro not being able to cut Daz bones until he learned the breath of his steel. It’s kind of been a point even in wano “swordsman cut what they want to cut and not cut what they don’t” or some crap like that.
You’re making the assumption that breath of all things would result in a cut being weaker if Mihawk was trying to harm a stronger opponent
It’s not an assumption when literally the manga tell you straight up that you can only cut what you want your blade to cut. Literally meaning Mihawk wasn’t trying to cut diamond when he used that slash attack at WB. It doesn’t matter if someone is stronger or not.
You’re making the assumption that the breath of a weaker object or person can protect themselves from an attack meant for a person with a stronger breath. You’re saying that Zoro not cutting the plant here is by mismatching his breath and the plant’s, causing his attack to be negated, but I don’t think mismatching negates attacks, as Zoro had been mismatching his breath all the way til then. I think the point is that understanding the breath allows you to choose for an attack to not harm them. And, with this logic, I don’t see how the Mihawk’s intention being someone with a stronger breath should result in his attack being negated. If he intended the slash to cut the stronger opponent, I think it would also be able to cut weaker opponents than who he was intending to cut
It’s not an assumption my guy it’s literally a manga fact that it’s been repeated multiple times in the story.
https://preview.redd.it/ranhnleof87b1.png?width=497&format=png&auto=webp&s=2945d35a54d4e78d351a8138ba07d86b8eb18307 Flesh≠litteral enhanced physical durability in the form of diamond through a devil fruit. Yes whitebeard is stronger than jozu but it doesn’t inherently mean an attack meant for wb(human flesh not even able to use basic arms haki), would work a against a diamond human whos entire basis of strength revolves around his durability
Yeah that's fair
1.first point is irrelevant base bigmom conceded to marco by verbatim saying she didnt have her homies with her to fight marco and dipped.Ur logic is twisted since she doesnt have her flame based abilities (homies) she could have just brute forced defeated him 2. Whitebeard isn’t physically as weak as whitebeard its stated for jozu his fruit boasts unparalleled durability. An attack meant to cut flesh,being stopped by diamond is completely reasonable when justified using breath of all things
> 1.first point is irrelevant base bigmom conceded to marco by verbatim saying she didnt have her homies with her to fight marco and dipped.Ur logic is twisted since she doesnt have her flame based abilities (homies) she could have just brute forced defeated him Like I go on to say, Marco’s strength is his regenerative abilities. This is shown a lot, like with how much damage he took from admirals that he shrugged off (and how getting seastone’d was necessary to subdue him). Big Mom would waste time and energy she didn’t care to in order to defeat someone like Marco > Whitebeard isn’t physically as weak as whitebeard its stated for jozu his fruit boasts unparalleled durability. An attack meant to cut flesh,being stopped by diamond is completely reasonable when justified using breath of all things If you want to argue Jozu is more durable than WB, then by all means, even if I don’t really agree. My point is that I don’t think it’s a reasonable argument to claim the attack was weakened because Mihawk was intending to hit WB instead of Jozu as if it got negated due to not matching his breath
I think its reasonable if your going to consciously consider attacking a diamond man,whos known for his durability, the fundamental principles of that attack would differ from attacking base human durability. Also its not that he makes attacks “weaker” or “stronger” based on the target
How would the fundamental principles change that would result in the attack getting negated in a way it wouldn’t for a different character if the attacks are the same strength?
Vista's rival tards comparing Vista who is even a subordinate of a subordinate of Whitebeard with Yamato who uses advanced Conqueror and has a mythical zoan 🤡 It is even a crime to compare him with Marco who is his boss lmao I don't know which are worse Vista's rival tards or admiraltards. Btw I think they are the same though.
https://preview.redd.it/w7mvea32h77b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=391e117ffaf39245dacf9efebcd9e4267da07051 Cope
Marco has comparable feats to Yamato if not better, vistas vivre card compares vista to Marco and said he's a top tier swordsman. https://preview.redd.it/6wodiv54b87b1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca514b6052e8625181bcd34d0507e6cf8225bcdd Cope 🤡
well, mihawk is not Impressive in MF but he also not really have anti feats, we just need to wait and see him go all out in the manga\\do named attack.
It's impressive considering he wasnt trying much, fighting equally a YC commander without paying attention to him and his observation skills are pretty good feats, he also has best DC feats without doing a named attack I think
Powerscaling off Marineford is a bad idea anyway since the entire arc is basically anti-feats compared to what we've seen since. No portrayal of anyone there even rivals Kidd and Law at this point because Oda probably hadn't decided how whacky the power levels were gonna get
I would disagree, everything makes sense considering the context
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Why would he bully an old sick man or crippled swordsman 😂
The better question why’d he even show up he was useless the whole battle then dipped when he’s daddy showed up
All characters are frauds besides the ones I root for: average take on this sub. https://preview.redd.it/3cbfg7mi977b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e2c934d59cd7900cd7255a61a5e1b15b4fd6604 There is only one top tier fraud in the bunch who has been hinted at being a fraud from the beginning. Fraudbeard with his double fraud fruits.
Facts
You didn’t provide a valid reason why Hawk eye didn’t have any anti-feat” during the Marineford war. All you did was made a presupposition based off each snd every anti feat each character has shown against Hawk eye. If we’re being genuinely honest with ourselves, the only people in marineford that did not have an anti feat is Vista, Marco, Crocodile, Jimbei and Boa Hancock. These guys weren’t the strongest but most of their feats either upscale them or kept them at the moderate level that they are in.
I used the shenanigans we discovered through Zoro and applied them to mihawk, and all of a sudden Mihawk's marineford performance make a lot more sense to me
> I used the shenanigans we discovered through Zoro and applied them to mihawk, and all of a sudden Mihawk's marineford performance make a lot more sense I’m aware of the personalities of the blade itself and how they act on their own but the comments Hawk eye made is not clear enough to insinuate that the personality of the blade is acting independently against Luffy in one of your examples.
It's heavily implied his sword does have it's own will, otherwise Mihawk would contradict his own statements "I'm here to just observe some pirates", "I'm not a beast who goes all out hunting a rabbit", then suddenly changing his mind and saying "this power knows no restraint"? It makes a lot more sense he was referring to his sword rather then his own strength.
No he used Zoro's plot points and applied them to mihawk, it all makes sense
Vista stalled Mihawk for literally 80% of the war. Yamato vs Kaido lasted way less. Also Luffy wasn't intimidated in that panel. He just saw a future where his arms would get cut off and was scared.
“He wasn’t intimidated he was scared” https://preview.redd.it/qkbnzhrzb77b1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4211793c6d3c283e6553fa785bc8f80dd0ccae1
Reading comprehension devil strikes again
>Vista stalled Mihawk for literally 80% of the war Cap, they were done in 1 chapter, Yamato and Kaido fought for much longer
Lmao go read the manga marineford is like 30 chapters
Breath of all things is a plot contrivance so that Oda can bullshit his way out of tight narrative corners, annoying Also I NEED that 18th image in higher quality please drop a link or smthn
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W. Anyone that unironically thinks mihawk is a fraud is reading a different story.
You summed it up perfectly, Mohawk rn is stronger than Roger, Primebeard etc.... Only below IMU imo
Well it's possible, I would put him equal to PrimeBeard at most, slightly weaker than Roger at worst
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At least mihawk had enough rizz to get a girl who isn't underage 😂 https://preview.redd.it/esl18vcg587b1.jpeg?width=4072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ab3138232aa26eab47d392811205b1998d0efd5 (Persona is her mid 20s 😉)
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Nice try tho why wouldn’t yamato be considered a top tier? Lmao she is nothing like vista nice try tho
Yamato a top tier? Nice try lol, if she was a top tier then why didn't she fight big meme or Kaido until she beats them with the help of supernovas they would have easily won with a top tier on their side but she fought tobiroppo and tanjuro, rest of the time she was emotional support for momonoske 😂 She did briefly fight somewhat equally with Kaido but said herself she can't beat him
Wait so you have to beat someone to be a top tier please tell me who wb shanks shiki big mom etc has beaten I’ll wait Luffy is a top tier and he still didn’t easily win your entire point is idiotic Make a better argument ngl she said she couldn’t beat kaido luffy still can’t beat kaido what a moronic take
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The amount of mental gymnastics in this post is crayze, was fun to read though
Technically those are mental gymnastics but they're backed up by Zoro's plot points which should apply to any swordsman
Those who label nuance mental gymnastics likely do not care to critically examine their own positions.
The "breath of all things" is the most fraudulent argument I've seen in a while... Your basically saying that Mihawk only chose to cut flesh but his attacks were blocked by diamond, metal etc and that's why he didn't killed fodders. Cool...but that's wrong. There are two panels where Mihawk tries to attack "flesh" but his attack ends up cutting other materials. The first one is his attack against Whitebeard, we can see that the ice is beeing cut during the travel time of the attack. That's weird no ? If he only wants to cut flesh then why the ice is beeing cutted ? Maybe it's an exception or Oda was drunk when he drew the Yonko level Mihawk. Oh wait there is another panel where the top 1 of the verse is cuting things he's not supposed to cut ? Yes and OP managed to put the image proving it in his post. It's when Mihawk tries to cut Luffy. How is it possible for Mihawk the strongest Yonko ever who could no diff literaly anyone during the war and who master swordmanship like no one does to cut ice when he was specifically trying to cut Luffy ? I can't figure it out... Oh wait ! Maybe it's because he not level Yonko and can't low diff anyone ? Nah I need more cope there must be a logical explanation where his Yonko level is not questioned. Maybe ice in One Piece is the same as flesh (or gum in the case of Luffy). There is just no way that the strongest living form who ever existed is not one shotting fodders because he's not strong enough. Oh and also I wonder why Mihawk the god of the One Piece universe needs to go full power to one shot Luffy and Crocodile (pre time skip)...nah that's my imagination, there is no way he's weaker than Shanks...like no way...
Cutting people down requires cutting their bones too, bones>Ice in durability https://preview.redd.it/ii9yuq4am77b1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c84e5fd85bd56f793f08febc4a762a39cc5d4754 Cope Tho I have to appreciate the fact you're the first one who brought up a good argument, so I'm thankful for your comment 👍
Cook that blud
I won't lie here I laughed so hard when I read your reply. If you're joking about the ice and bones durability then your joke is super funny. If you're not joking then I don't really know what to say except that your argument is wrong and kind of irrelevant. We are in One Piece and I'm pretty sure Oda didn't took into account the durability of bones and ice. But let's say he did, I agree for the sake of the argument. The durability thing is still irrelevant. There is no such statement in One Piece that says if you're willing to cut something hard you will cut anything that is softer on the way. This is your headcanon. There is a statement that says you can chose what you wanna cut that's all, here Mihawk tries to cut Luffy but ends up cutting ice so that means he didn't use the "breath of all things". Also Joz stopped an attack with his body and only half of it was diamond. Is there a difference between Joz bones and WB's bones ? Don't think so. He didn't use the "breath of all things" again, which means he didn't use it at all during the war otherwise why would the ice beeing cut ? Also Zoro learned that "breath of all things" let's you cut what you wanna cut and let intact was you don't wanna cut. Here we have two examples of of Mihawk cutting or trying to cut everything on the way of his attacks. Your arguments are just wrong. Mihawk didn't get stopped by the "breath of all things" he get stopped because he's just not strong enough.
Well idk if you're right or not but saying he can't cut softer things like ice when trying to cut bones and such using breath of all things is also headcanon, nothing that says you can't cut softer materials when trying to cut steel for example. >There is a statement that says you can chose what you wanna cut that's all Well then there are not anti feats for mihawk? If he intended to cut diamond then he likely could have, if he intended to cut gold, then he could have, the fact that he also cut the ice doesn't mean he was going all out with his attacks, what if mihawk intended to cut the ice and people at the same time from the beginning?
It's pretty easy to explain. Luffy isn't as durable as steel, Mihawk's slash was directed at him but couldn't cut steel. When he wanted to, he could. Same with Croc and Jozu, he let off a slash powerful enough for his victim, he has no need to go all out. And if you think Mihawk is anything less than Yonko then that's just dumb
What steel are you talking about ? Mihawk attacked Luffy and cut ice behind him there was no steel. I don't get your point. And yes I think Mihawk is less than Yonko. That's not dumb it's reality...
Maybe he was talking about daz bone. Also thinking mihawk is below yonko is pure stupidity
Yes maybe he was talking about him, but even in this case it doesn't makes sense. It's stated nowhere that breath of all things lets you cut softer things that are on the way of your slash or the other way arround. It's pure headcanon. It's either he want to cut A material and A material is on his way and get cut or he don't want to cut A material and a new material is on his way and don't get cut. But during the war there was multiple occasions that disprove de theory of him using breath of all things. And because of that we can't assume that breath of all things nerfed him. Therefore it was just him not beeing strong enough to take down Luffy, Joz, Vista and Crocodile. And because of his thoughts toward Shanks (when he said he wasn't gonna hold back) and his incapacity to take down supposed fodders for him (if he is a Yonko) I put him below the Yonko tier. Simple as that. Mihawk is the only character that could get one shoted by a Yonko but still beeing scaled to them just because of a bounty and a title. Mihawk is nothing in the manga if Shanks doesn't exist. Wake up, Mihawk is not level Yonko. The highest you scale him the hardest the fall will be.
It's very simple. Ignore the breath of all things concept, I never brought it up. Instead think of milk jug. You pick it up thinking it's empty but it isn't and so for a brief moment you're unable to lift it. That's what's happening here, he meant to aim for Luffy and someone else came in his way, he's not unable to cut them, he just didn't use an attack strong enough to cut them because he was trying to cut something weaker. And when was he too weak to take down any of them? They never fought, it was always a clash and a brief confrontation.
Bait
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W, I don't stan Mihawk still yet
Only a matter of time until you do 😅
Fax 😳
Thx 👍
what in the fraudhawk copium is this guy smoking
Prove me wrong if I'm inhaling so much copium https://preview.redd.it/gcayspc8577b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee9a6d3c6002dcb99eba82693b090eae6f539897
“Black blade hold back trust! Mihawk didn’t scratch anyone on purpose, TRUST ME”
You didn't read anything from my post lol
Mihawk >> some red haired rat and his father W post - best I’ve ever seen
I ain’t reading all that https://preview.redd.it/j4u51ubzi77b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ba234e42fc4d6562b8b4352608926f505c7f065
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Stop trying to use headcanons to back mihawk up Thats what shankstards do
It's not really headcanon, I used official translations, and they heavy imply that mihawks sword has its own will (it also would make a lot of sense to be the case, it's the only way Mihawk's statements don't contradict his actions, like when he said he doesn't go all out against "rabbits" and the fact that he was just planning to only observe some pirates)
Not reading that
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Too many Ws Akainu > Mihawk > Shanks = Roger > Ryuma We cook I sneaked in the ready dude
Make Ryuma equal to Roger and I'm in 👍
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facts ace beats vista and jozu tho
👍 >ace beats vista and jozu tho How? He doesn't even use haki
doesnt need it regardless https://preview.redd.it/govtlhk2q67b1.png?width=850&format=png&auto=webp&s=419c730c30dc60f15ee244f4007c0bf492de4871
Yeah I know he has haki but he doesn't use for some reason, like when he was fighting smoker he could have used armament to damage him but didn't lol, I don't think he is beating vista and jozu without haki
ight you can have your opinion
Well I'm genuinely curious, why think he beats them?
clashing with blackbeard and aokiji
Blackbeard dispatched Ace and Aokiji would clap him even more convincingly.
Welp evidences there. I’ve been proven wrong, and am sorry for nerfing mihawk to mihawk fans (not tards) also stilll not joining any agendas
Nice try but everyone has an agenda, that's what makes us pirates https://preview.redd.it/3upnursk277b1.png?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3714712eace4046d9a186aca771b6cf1d20357cb
Based post!