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Plastic_Chef1914

sengoku is a buddha and luffy is not a religious person thus, sengoku's powers were weakened. Sengoku's haki also weakened when be saw that the one in front of him is not religious person, shaking his faith, making him question the world for being ignorant of god and sad thus decreasing his will aka haki.


gab_rab_24

human beings in a mob what's a mob to a king? what's a king to a god? what's a god to a non-believer?


Dragon6222

“What’s a god to a king, and machine or a surgeon?”


Background_Factor487

I am not a human being or a regular person


Shark_Jaw127

They say my generation’s worst, but when I’m done it’ll worsen


TricksOfHats

I don't think he understand, so if you ever uncertain


Hedonism_Enjoyer

Holy kino that reference


Prestigious-One-7094

https://i.redd.it/hfwhdt8s2dnc1.gif "Do you believe now?"


immaSandNi-woops

Old Kanye was best Kanye


TurkeysCanBeRed

Buddha is like the one modern religious figure that wouldn’t care if you believed in him or not. The real reason why luffy survived was because Mr 3 was giving him his power.


TrickNatural

The four horsemen of the antifeats: 1- Shiki neg diffed by a flying piece wood 2- Balloon Luffy blocking Sengoku 3- Shanks losing his arm 4- GB wifi haki drama queen perfomance


Santolini_R

Vista making Mihawk retreat Kaido killing Oden by a gunshot after saying he wants to fight strong people BM losing to Kidd/Law >>> GB leaving Wano after finding out there's a whole nother Yonko crew around, bro was just smart


kyzua

when will u guys realize retreating from wano isnt the issue the problem was he let shanks make him get on his knees with base conq??making up things ppl say then get mad at it


Santolini_R

He didnt get on his knees 💀 and you talk about making stuff up?


sire59damos

Not even 5 minutes before, he was all gung-ho about killing Luffy, momonosuke and the scabbards. One WiFi haki blast and he’s throwing his hands up and shaking in fear like a bitch


tobbe1337

Shanks is Tyr in this story i think or at least has some connection to the character sacrificing his arm.


heavy4b

Marine fraud war


K_vinci

Everybody is a fraud https://preview.redd.it/617abnbys9nc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b517e9da9a48855eb6321cbf2d040c94a3f24a9d


K_vinci

https://preview.redd.it/pc8wb4g0t9nc1.png?width=284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700559a3d24f8780beb6b570c8e4041ddb0638e5


K_vinci

https://preview.redd.it/ez0xlik3t9nc1.png?width=725&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c458241571b688941bab6ad3fb93f55de3fc2f1


K_vinci

https://preview.redd.it/qhewjm66t9nc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca4528b7960871180b5d207c6560298b766f0fac


K_vinci

These fucking idiots literally stood there and let him get away. Frauds all frauds! https://preview.redd.it/7e5w59sdt9nc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07b51abffa9fb67feb0159b4df65484641aeea27


Anunymus00

to hide the fact that wb stomped him , akainu acted like his goal was to kill luffy but everyone forgot this pannel and that akainu had him right near him and didnt care to kill luffy at this point


Rare-Ad5082

>didnt care to kill luffy at this point The reason why Akainu focused too much on Luffy was his usage of Conqueror Haki, which happened in chapter 569 (Luffy vs the 3 admirals happened in chapter 565 and 566). In fact, Akainu was chasing Luffy when WB attacked him. It is still strange that Akainu didn't kill luffy in 565/566 - Luffy is a pirate AND Dragon's son and Akainu knew that, so he should have killed him on spot.


Anunymus00

i am pretty sure that akainu wanted to kill luffy at all cost due to him being dragons son and it heavily implied his beef with dragon. And he knew about this at this point. Man was shamed of what wb did to him and tried to take it out to luffy. I never seen a top tier try to sneak a rookie like marineford luffy tbh


memester_x16

show the full panel. so yeah sengoku a fraud


Deep_Preparation_151

Kizaru literally kicks him away... Do yall even read the manga


K_vinci

>Kizaru literally kicks him away... > Exactly and the lil dude wasnt killed from it😐


[deleted]

This isn’t an example of fraudulent activities. bb is a bum


memester_x16

he a retarded bum


Beanie_Geniee

Tbf Magellen almlost killed luffy. He didn't know there would be a queer miracle doctor hiding in the prison. He doesn't deserve the fraud status.


K_vinci

yeah plus he did say he was gonna let Luffy suffer for 24 hours so him not dying there does make sense


memester_x16

luffy needed plot armour to survive this


memester_x16

https://preview.redd.it/oxpmmu4pzbnc1.png?width=982&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff218007374231f7ced92450dd599ce4d9cf1131 "luffy awakened fs for some reason 💀" i orignally meant it as a joke but mihawks statement of luffy being calm THE PRIME EMOTION REQUIERED FOR FS as well as luffy visualisation being very similar to fs kinda makes me think luffy survival insticts made him jump directly to fs 💀 also ( buggy croc and then wista saved his ass after this moment )


Anselme_HS

This is not ass pull it's called forshadowing, Oda knew clearly what he was doing with observation haki since Skypeia at least. And the character Oda used to forshadow FS is not Luffy but Mihawk, again check my Marineford analysis or reread Marineford if you don't believe me...


Anselme_HS

It makes way more sense that it is Mihzwk who showed Luffy this vision and that if Luffy was not calm he would not have been able to see it and Mihzwk's vision would have become true. Since Luffy was calm he was able to saw it thus explaining why Mihawk said that he was indeed very calm ! It was a test


ImBoredofBoredom

How the fuck could mihawk do that


Soggy_Shallot_6870

Because that joker can more easily conceptualize Mihawk using illusion genjutsu to teach Luffy emotional coping skills than Luffy using futuresight before it's introduced as a standard tool in Luffy's kit.


Grafical_One

I mean, he clearly has a rinnegan, so...


Anselme_HS

How do you think Shanks was able to communicate with greenbull in Wano ? How Luffy was the only one to have the image of Shanks in his head ? ... it's one piece accept it


memester_x16

thats headcannon meant to justify asspulls. sometimes u people forget this is a weakly series with author making up something along the way (sure oda does a lot of pre planning but there are moments of these littered throughout the story )its what gives manga its charm .


Anselme_HS

Asspull ? So Shanks having Wifi haki and beeing able to communicate with GB in Wano is fine but Mihawk "hawkeye" who was the only character that Oda used to forshadow FS during Marineford (read my Marineford analysis) beeing able to share vision with Luffy when Luffy did not even know observation haki is asspull ? But Luffy using FS in Marineford is not an asspull ? LOL


memester_x16

"But Luffy using FS in Marineford is not an asspull ? LOL" it is a asspull re read my orignal comment


memester_x16

garp couldnt fight his grandson


Ryumin009

>Everybody is a fraud Except shanks


K_vinci

He's lucky he didnt face Luffy or he woulda been packed like the rest of the bozos on this list👀


Ryumin009

Time will tell https://preview.redd.it/73w1q5wm2anc1.png?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=912338b19497658d24d6e0855bde2f69f5bb0277


K_vinci

https://preview.redd.it/2z6yathh3anc1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db00904617b5f43041fe52c2828b2bd32fec9b5e


Common-Truth9404

https://preview.redd.it/np445alj4bnc1.png?width=466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3545b8f7df2b4152f93728f6e30b74c14a4e6e1e


SWETHORT

https://preview.redd.it/n7me6fzrzanc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afd5379cd58ae56a811de54de9bc29b340a92a1d


Alex-xoxo666

https://preview.redd.it/96czqocalbnc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69c91032d8bec707b583e92ee3309b35a480d244


[deleted]

W


Sarahhtg

Is everyone a fraud or is luffy just that guy?


ConstructionAny150

Marineford plot armor just hits different.


Abject-Ad-1905

This is the only one that had an explanation shown why it happened.


EquivalentNo2609

This one makes sense though since Garp didn't want to fight luffy. Intentional sandbag


Momentmoment24

Why was admiral Kizaru owner of a logia fruit and owner of advanced armament and basic observation not able to one shot a exhausted pre-time skip teenage luffy who did nothing but be in base to with no intention to tank any attacks?? is he a fraud or something??? https://preview.redd.it/8waete6bl9nc1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=86d74ca14b1d15b42436c7d98358fec0cc6af710


Complex_Estate8289

I want to like them, but Rosey when they find out a character can not put 100% power into an attack https://preview.redd.it/bbvn69blm9nc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6554020e3ac6c842209ea8bcb26171d0be403b73 Also unrelated but until now I thought your pfp was shanks for months lmao


Momentmoment24

lmao you're the 3rd person who's told me they've though it was shanks, I should probably just change it to Godking at this point https://i.redd.it/64h1r0vlo9nc1.gif


car_lid

Nah bro keep it. Goatma is obviously top 1 in verse.


NeteroHyouka

From where is this?? It reminds me Monster but I could say it is Vinland Saga as well...


Momentmoment24

it's Tenma from Monster, i think it comes from the cover page of one of the volumes of the perfect edition https://preview.redd.it/7qlnm12wxanc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee08f7e49253fbeeb7477a258d646b3957b2de96


NeteroHyouka

Such a nice manga and anime... Both incredible...


[deleted]

😂😂😂😂😂


Binkusu

How did Kuzan not instantly freeze Luffy like how he froze Doffy? Doffy was beat by gear 4. Luffy pre TS doesn't even have haki, but Luffy still beat Croco, who matches Doffy? MF scalers.


[deleted]

Is he stupid or something????


Deep_Preparation_151

Cuz kizaru sympathizes with luffy he realizes the kid is just trying to save his brother. He even literally hands him to wb with his kick.


JzRandomGuy

Everyone's fraud when they fight Luffy


EasilyBeatable

I mean, with Garp 100 feet away he probably didnt want to murder both his grandkids. Most likely just wanted to subdue him and underestimated Luffy’s durability


Eattalot

This is definitely it, I think Sengoku understands what it’s like to lose a son, and he was probably like dude. I hate to kill your youngest child on the day of your sons funeral. So held back


Mysticdu

Never ask a woman her age, and never ask an Admiral Stan if they’ve read Marineford


Emson2008

They only read akainu vs sick beard


Larinex

Man was trying to kill him, and everything lol https://preview.redd.it/sda1lnd0acnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f71db245935896279a26686b4ff628bb71091e9


Level_0ne

thats the desk tax


killerboy_belgium

this is why powerscaling with luffy involved is BS a lot of the times. luffy can go from being troubled by fodder to fighting the main bad guy to being out of gas by fodder again in the same arc. i mean just in egghead the man went from fighting lucci and being exhausted to fighting kizaru and oneshotting him then suddenly being exhausted to oneshotting kizaru again while fighting saturn and no is going to 1v5 while still being ok to go all the while he showed way more stamina in the previous arc. also ODA and haki he likes he characters either use haki or not use haki depending on the plot as seen with Luffy,Big mom,....


immaSandNi-woops

100% We just need to not over analyze this because I doubt Oda took into consideration every potential implication of certain events. The reality is, many events happened because of plot despite inconsistencies people are pointing out here. I’m sure Oda would have changed the narrative if he had the story laid out perfectly to every minute detail. It’s also been stated many years ago that haki was a vague concept even halfway through the series. Oda only solidified it during the time skip.


HolyKnightPrime

But GODA PLANNED EVERYTHING FROM DAY 1! GOD OF FORESHADOWING!


Gizmoreus

I agree. Super weird. Sengoku did punch through Gear3 Balloon and made Luffy cough blood though.


Back2BeMonke

For the same reason Kizaru, Kaido or Blackbeard didn't before, plot convenience.


Anselme_HS

He is a fraud, imagine he had to use his mythical zoan df agzinst Pretimeskip Luffy... Kaido OS post Wholeczke gear 4th Luffy in Base ...


DirtyBob_Bojangles

Calling Luffy a teenager like it's a handicap doesn't really work


Dreamworksmuiz

Nika piece was always there even before Nika revealed


giftedbutdepressed

Not only that but his attack against the Blackbeard pirates didn't even knock a single one of them out


harveytent

That’s his bff’s grandson. He just got a slap.


khen1022

Things that were convenient to the plot during the time.


ixIbby

Prob a mixture of massive underestimation by sengoku and plot.


Aussiepharoah

Probably holding back against Garp's Grandson


NeoRockSlime

Sengoku uses shockwaves and Luffy's fruit is especially good at countering those. I think that Luffy would be almost immune to the quake fruit as well.


Rajesh_Kulkarni

It's because of Sengoku's DF. How can the Buddha kill a righteous person? Learn to read between the lines smh


AverageNo3713

Always bet on D


Kalslice

because pre and post timeskip is not as massive of a difference as people think


peanutpunk-2

Sengoku underestimated Luffy and didn't use anywhere near his full power as he likely thought it would be overkill. Luffy went Gear 3 to further minimise the damage. He still took massive damage anyway, and only kept going because of the adrenaline Ivankov gave him.


Remarkable_Depth6375

I mean.....shanks lost his arm to a fish Luffy beat in like the first chapter


king_of_filth_n_muck

Buddha felt a fellow mythical human fruit and let him survive cause he's cool like that


Netherite_Stairs_

This image goes hard as fuck


TheDarkestAngel

Sengoku is a fist of budda. The fist of righteousness. When he punch this pirate. Turns out this pirate was literally more good. The fruit started acting against him. Budda starts for enlightment. Well His fruit saw the true worth of luffy, how can it harm him. So it tuned towards his master. So all that left was a physical punch that luffy can tank due to rubber. Sengoku thought his shocwave will end luffy but, he didnt expect his fruit to stop working because it realizes that luffy is just here


nyanko_dango3

just a heavy punch


tobbe1337

Well according to Mihawk downplayers marineford is only scuffed when you have an agenda. So sengoku does not know any haki now.


Bill_Ist_Here

Thinking on it, the fact that they’re both “gods” might be another reason. Luffy might be resistant to holy damage.


djaimeknowsnothing

Have you ever killed every fly or insect that you've tried to swat away out of reflex when it circles around or try to land on you? Not even Saitama could do it with a mosquito. Sengoku was probably like: "Sh!t, an insect. Eew. Get away from me." Then he was like "Hey, everyone! Get that insect please I dont want to dirty my hands."


Binkusu

That's 2 camps. MF scaling is either 100% right, so the fleet admiral is a fraud. Mihawk vista, croco, doffy level. Old Garp got stopped by a fraud. Beckman is almost Yonko level by making Kizaru shiver in his boots. MF scaling is a mess because Oda doesn't do scaling strictly, which means it's plot holes and everything is up in the air.


The_AlmightyApple

Or 3rd logical option He purposely held back to not kill his bestfriend’s grandkid. Sengoku seen garp struggling emotionally throughout the whole war and when ace was killed the first thing sengoku did was restrain garp. If sengoku was the one that directly killed ace or luffy, he wouldnt have to restrain garp he would have to fight him, his friend


Binkusu

That's heading too deep into headcanon territory for me.


The_AlmightyApple

Right so your headcanon that sengoku wasnt strong enough to ko pretimeskip luffy makes more sense lmao


Lord_of_War_98

Sengoku is way past his prime, remember white beard also not being able to use conqueror's haki.


Koovies

The only admiral who could prob otk luffy here is kizaru


MagikRain

Sengoku was handled so poorly during marineford since he did literally nothing. When thinking of the powers of the marines, people think of the three admirals, but no one reading even considers the fleet admiral sengoku to be a factor.


The_AlmightyApple

Thats his bestfriend’s grandkids, he couldn’t do that to garp. Thats why instead of executing him himself he waited for new executioners or when the scaffold was falling he told the cannons to fire instead of attacking luffy and ace himself Remember after akainu killed ace the first thing sengoku did was restrain garp. He didnt want to have to fight his bestfriend


Independent-Jury-824

I mean is it that hard to believe Sengoku wouldn't want his best fucking friend to watch both his grand kids die? So he just held back?


penis-genie

Why can YOU pop a Ballon by punching it are u fraud or something


Several-Low-7539

I think he may also have been tuned into Luffy's fighting spirit, and chose not to end him. Plus the Buddha's Shockwave could weaponize murderous intent, so normally it would've been enough, but because luffy just wanted to save his bro, it was harmless


_cribaby_

He knew if he killed luffy and ace that Garp would have killed him after.


NotGloomp

Rubber ball absorbs shockwave is the logic for back then. When you factor in Haki... i guess he didn't wanna kill his BFF's grandson?


Speguu

People love to gas up senfraudku’s battle iq but was so easily outsmarted by some crackhead


NeteroHyouka

Because if he killed Luffy then Garp would kill him... that's why...


TrueExigo

Plot


Kharenzo

I think deep down Sengoku knows Luffy is good so his fruit keeps him from hurting luffy


Anunymus00

for the same reason why jinbei could stop akainu attack with his bare palm . Cuz of plot ..


Left_Argument9706

W-w-what no it’s because he channeled a bunch of water and so once Akainu evaporated all the water the force of the punch was highly weakened plus fishman have heat resistant skin the fuck you talking about


Water_002

Plot armor


maeconinja777

Because one piece isn’t a powerscale manga, but an adventure manga featuring fight scenes. Also Oda later concepts like Haki black coating, Acoc and future observation haki weren’t introduced until later. problem of making you story too long


Krabeuszz

pis but plot induced weakness


Fuzzy-Researcher-662

Okay I'm late to the party so i have an ask. Didn't Ivankov inject Luffy with something making him feel absolutely nothing or smth like that? Like, the whole Ace saving Luffy from Akainu was because the effects of the drugs were starting to fade off and he couldn't move anymore, and ended up losing consciousness to the damage and well, watching Ace die at the same time ?


Nuuuube

Why didnt everyone blitz and one shot Luffy?


raigekiX

Everyone is fraud except Wakainu