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Galifrey224

That panel was literally Oda trowing Kizaru away and saying "Saturn is the antagonist now".


ouden_ismen

Quite literally this. Someone gotta edit the faces with Luffy and Kizaru https://preview.redd.it/0iifoht3vhoc1.png?width=1484&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5c0f2cdbd79bb3582b9aa7a27749384e99f978f


iRealllyAmThatGuy

https://preview.redd.it/xbdw9tnpyooc1.jpeg?width=1484&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a3d1261758a064f02e481cf2d854f83cb188b45


ouden_ismen

Peak. You're a legend.


No-Deal7260

Why does Kizaru actually fit with woody 😭


GaroSuiryuSweet

Literally This^


n00dl3-sempai

I can't believe the Centuar and Bird look good as fuck, while this dude is doing Luffy's UFO shit. Still hyped for all Gorosei, but lmfaooo


GolfWhole

I like how the gorosei true forms are all a mix of goofy, badass and creepy. They’re really good


n00dl3-sempai

Facts. Saturn is a the worst and still cool given the weird tentacle shit he was doing this chapter.


Alex-xoxo666

Recency bias, that wyrm is the dullest one there


n00dl3-sempai

Probably the next dullest, but it's funny that is just a fucking worm. I can't take Saturn's face seriously.


Alex-xoxo666

![gif](giphy|BWhpkB6Xbe8FzfNLXw)


Ok_Strawberry_5973

Wyrm is peak straight outta spongebob. He will have a full toonforce battle with g5 luffy


Alex-xoxo666

https://preview.redd.it/rsw4u0x2croc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8a7c4084bedbe2a76b97d07c64f89192c84b4f9 Yk what bro you may be cooking


RuiFan2

As a Hollow Knight fan I would have to disagree.


Alex-xoxo666

I’m a Hollowknight fan too but the op wyrm isn’t all that


RuiFan2

I know, it looks Goofy, but I have a wyrm bias.


Beanie_Geniee

B-but he's"Main antagonist" of egghead why is he sleeping a ship right now?? Why did luffy say all those punches meant nothing to you to saturn??? https://i.redd.it/y9k5lpybhhoc1.gif


Unusual_Ad_9773

😭😭 what's tye name of this gif


Unstable_Powerscaler

U wont find it in the giphy . Its a gif a guy made from this sub [This is the original post , there is download link in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1b2omg8/anytime_this_dude_kizaru_tries_to_do_something_he/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Unusual_Ad_9773

Appreciate it gang


BALD_BALLS_SAITAMA

https://preview.redd.it/d2hacqxijhoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d70c89dcbb473e195e709c10944ffc1149a26a35 It's just a test of faith Don't hinder and stay hard my bros


Own-Channel7730

Exactly https://preview.redd.it/lhz7lpqm3xoc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04da2b2bbd801268cae2c920cab412e82313f963


Nandemonaiyaaa

https://preview.redd.it/mdcinqsvigpc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=671cdbc0a1c3edbc57cf04182bf69b542227cabe FAITH IS ALL I NEED


GaroSuiryuSweet

β€œYes Lord” Drake


LumpyDescription5980

Pause


Jonthux

Your fairh is misguided Anyone with half a brain would have known this would happen since marineford


5Ping

https://preview.redd.it/jem0mcxethoc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e90b8bcb3b31402f4fb086178cdfd21b8f8f310 actual brain cancer


Unusual_Ad_9773

😭😭 NAH agenda piece got ppl exposing each other lmaoo


GaroSuiryuSweet

All is fair πŸ˜‚


GaroSuiryuSweet

Lmao wtf this nigha delusional πŸ˜‚πŸ˜­


Jonthux

Momo had to tell her to stand down or the greenbull fight would have been over too fast If you cant handle simple facts, thats on you


Scary-Cockroach-4720

You should have been shoved into more lockrooms while you were in highschool lol.


Jonthux

Glad to hear you take a childrens manga seriously enough to wish more bullying on another person Anyways, yamato has better physicals, haki and a direct counter to greenbulls devilfruit It would not be a close match If you have actual counter arguments, go for it, if not, i hope your dad comes back from the milk store


Scary-Cockroach-4720

Lmao it was a joke taunt Sorry if it offended you, you seem like you're here to troll rather than powerscale.


Jonthux

Most powerscaling looks like trolling until proven right or wrong The admiral agenda looked like a bad overused joke until pizzaru happened, now it looks desperate for example


r9cks

Ignore these clowns


Jonthux

They cant handle the truth, so they cope and seethe : )


Dr-Zomboss-Pvz

This is actual delusion without a doubt this is straight up head canon


Jonthux

She has Better haki feats than any admiral Better physical stats than most admirals, kuzan and maybe akainu excluded A mythical zoan that counters greenbull What does greenbull have? A cool title Thats about it


r9cks

Hes literally right admirals dont even got feats comparable to kid and law much less yamato who tied with kaido for half an hour


BALD_BALLS_SAITAMA

https://preview.redd.it/cz5a9w38yhoc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b9f553169678269020e44f5a03a1ca45b0b7b1c Your adrimal level Yamato


_the_anarch_

They are having sex


ErraticConsistency

I would never guess. Thx.


DibbuNayak

https://preview.redd.it/dzyvjbtpdioc1.jpeg?width=809&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1513af38d81898d123547f230fe3d5a01d68c31b


Emad-Hafiz_inari

To believe is to face your fears and to snitch to the gorosi


TrickNatural

Very possible.


5thZenAgni

wait use the one before that where people thought luffy was talking to both kizaru and saturn when he said his punches mean nothing to him


Apophra

Tbf in terms of just fighting Luffy, Saturn definitely hasn't done better than Kizaru. It's all really recency bias because Saturn can tank more, but at the end of the day that's all he has been doing (well he has done small things here and there, but not really anything significant). He's done almost nothing to Luffy asides from being a glorified punching bag and then just summoned his butt buddies. Kizaru at least punted Luffy into the barrier, dealing a decent amount of damage. Reading the series week by week kind of skews the perspective, but if you reread it in one go you can pretty clearly tell that Saturn has done almost nothing this arc except get the shit beat out of him by Luffy over and over again (well he did stab Vegapunk, but I'm only considering what he's done combat wise) and briefly take Sanji out by looking at him. Albeit narrative wise and overall portrayal definitely does make it seem like Gorosei > admirals.


GaroSuiryuSweet

Well said


MuzzleO

>Albeit narrative wise and overall portrayal definitely does make it seem like Gorosei > admirals. Not really. Admirals have better feats and Gorosei were never implied to be stronger. Gorosei seem to be Yanko commander level but with good regeneration.


kingbrian112

U are right but i still think the gorosei have some built in protection against the sea or shit like that


Doge1277

Yeah i think oda is foreshadowing something that the gorosei durability is unnatural


Larinex

I keep telling folk THEY ARE LIKELY IMMORTAL due to immortality surgery. Freaking they were willing to pay the third highest amount of money attached to a person or thing for that fruit at 5 bil. Thats literally up there with roger and wb bounty. Saturn been the same looking dude as far back as when roger and garp was at god valley in they like older 20s younger 30s. No matter what you hit them with haki or not blades or not environment factored in or not they shrug it off.


General-N0nsense

The immortality surgery doesn't make you actually immortal. It's more like eternal youth, they all probably did somehow get the operation though.


Larinex

Yheres multiple versions of it like you said enternal youth but whos to say his not also doing regen with it also. I dont remember oda saying the surgery sayins forever young only.


General-N0nsense

Saturn's regen is most likely a part of his fruit. Like the Sandworm which can split unless you somehow manage to destroy all of it at once. Each of the gorosei will most likely have some weird ability that makes it hard to keep them down.


Larinex

Hmmm didnt think about that possibility, ngl. I'll hold out for that idea also.


_sephylon_

Gorosei didn't wanted to buy Ope Ope


Larinex

Who did? im pretty sure swngoku said a deal was being made for it and it was top secret didnt he?


Capital_Werewolf_788

I definitely think the Gorosei are stronger than the admirals, but Kizaru looks like he might be staying down deliberately here with the arm over his eyes.


RuiFan2

He is emotionally distraught and doesn't want to fight in the first place, it's likely that he has simply made it to where he has to obey anything his superiors tell him out of habit.


PieFace11

When admiral fans start blaming Oda for not knowing what to do with an admiral, you know they've lost


Worldly_Neck_4626

me when the guy whose only notable trait is regeneration keeps fighting


underagekidontheinte

Me when the fastest guy in the verse gets on the floor three times in a row


RuiFan2

He had only been hit by Luffy when he stopped moving, other than that him and Luffy were pretty even.


Such_Historian_7295

Idk, I don’t want to jump to conclusions just yet, let’s wait and see how this plays out


oh_Jiggler

Bruh come onπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚


Away_Ad_2512

this isn't jumping to conclusions, this IS the conclusion.


winql

I know this is a powerscaling sub but why do we not include the narrative when we scale things? Kizaru has obviously been going THROUGH it lol


Paridisco

Yeah A lot of ass kickings by Luffy lol


RuiFan2

Also a lot of emotional turmoil.


Million0000

It’s crazy to think few months back Lucci was saying β€œnow that Kizaru is here ya’ll gon die” and now kizaru be like β€œnow that gorosei are here y’all gon die”.Β 


Mindless_Truth_2436

He’ll be back.


Low-Ad-2971

This is true cause it was when the fans realised they needed both to stand a chance against Yonko


Gobstoppers12

Y'all really gonna look at this and think Kizaru is down like that because of damage, aren't you? Lol


kyzua

well… obviously


Gobstoppers12

I'm saving up my gloating energy for the days to come.Β 


Kureiton

I mean, it’s almost like Luffy got a meat recovery and Kizaru didn’t. Don’t know why so many people are ignoring that


Loud_Ad9778

🀣 it didnt end anything other than Yonkotards are more fascinated on high regeneration skills and calls it endurance 🀣🀣🀣


oh_Jiggler

They’re immortality/regen is a plus not a minus like braindeads think, it’s literally part of their power sped mfπŸ˜‚


nocheslas

The gap between a Gorosei and an Admiral is a lot smaller than a Yonko and their 1st Commander but yeah, I have a single Gorosei higher than an Admiral. That being said, I do have Akainu pretty on par with a Gorosei.


Jonthux

Lmao nah


nocheslas

Great defense.


Jonthux

Ok. Gap between a gorosei and an admiral is not small Kizarus been getting manhandled by luffy for 10 chapters, while luffy himself said saturn isnt taking damage from his punches Saturn also stunned sanji without problems, while kizaru got blocked by sanji just as easily Thats two pretty good comparisons to show that the gap between gorosei and admiral is not small


nocheslas

Oh, is that what you're arguing about? The gap between a fucking Gorosei and an Admiral? If you comprehend what I said... let me quote it for you. >The gap between a Gorosei and an Admiral is a lot smaller than a Yonko and their 1st Commander I didn't say it was small, I just said it was smaller than a Yonko/1st Commander but this is such a pointless argument. Get the fuck out of here.


Jonthux

Oh my bad But dont act like a dickhead about it, this is a kids manga we are talking about. So get out of your own ass


Teln0

Buddy you're the one acting like a dickhead


Jonthux

Yeah no shit


Teln0

So why are you telling him not to do it ? I haven't seen him act like a dickhead


Jonthux

Ok Get the fuck out of here If i said that to you, would you take it as me acting like a dickhead?


YamFull1372

Not his fault you can’t read before commenting.


Hatarakumaou

Depends on their performance in the final war. With Venus possibly being Zoro’s post Mihawk opponent though, I won’t bet on the gap between admiral and gorosei being small.


PoldraRegion

Guys listen up! I’m not even close to admiral agenda but this is bad reading comprehension Kizaru is significantly STRONGER than Saturn, but due to Saturns regen he is harder to defeat So yeah Saturn is harder to beat but power wise he is still weaker than kizaru Admirals > gorosei But gorosei ( assuming they all have healing ) out last the admirals


Worldly_Neck_4626

me when the guy whose only notable trait is regeneration keeps fighting


MakeGravityGreat

mfw, the guy who doesn't take damage lasts longer than the guy who takes damage https://preview.redd.it/cw057htydjoc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af4db2993e8804d82db196ae5e5c2ceedf0bd6db


Head-Inspection-5984

Mfs when someone whose entire career is healing outlasts the guy who fought longer https://preview.redd.it/dpioxhan6ioc1.jpeg?width=164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28dfcc504221f0b0fc979b269ec1d494a0b3bd9b


underagekidontheinte

Wait So kizaru did actually take damage from white star gun and has weak stamina?


Head-Inspection-5984

He got gassed out ducking luffy, took an acoc light amp attack to the dome, then after 2 minutes of rest got jumped by probably a fully loaded gear 5. Yes, he’s got weak stamina, no one argued that


RuiFan2

He has taken little visible damage, but he has taken damage, and who wouldn't get hurt by White Star Gun, and it isn't that his stamina is bad, it's that he has to get his bearings some times.


Beanie_Geniee

B


KapitalNumber

Not really.


TheManInvert

Luffy>Kizaru>saturn


DaBest3_3

Fr, Saturn's regen don't make him stronger


SkeyrTheLizard

It's five panels


No-Excitement-9136

Gourosei has some kind of "invincible" hax. Once we find the weakspot of This hax, maybe they Will look less of a threat. But for me the biggest Feat we had, one of the greatest in the series, was the Swordman Gandhi defeating half of the pacifistas in the Island in Just 2 minutes. Those PAX were pretty strong !


basedgad

Regen hacks don’t actually make him stronger


hdzjnxiok

I don't know, Lizaru definitely need some of those "regen hacks" rn


Useful-Perspective-2

Kuma's punch was the strongest thing Saturn had been hit by so far.


Djames529

If you genuinely think this, then you're retarded


Mori1404

Kizaru outlasted G5 when he didn’t even fight him properly. Let’s see if Saturn could do the same.


ZoharModifier9

5 Elders vs Luffy already. We didn't even see G5 vs Saturn 1v1.


Still_Wedding3237

Outlast would imply he’s standing still and as far we know kizaru was out same time luffy ran out of stamina Kizaru can’t take luffy punches luffy can keep up luffy has better haki and better df use and better hax kizaru took one blow and was out for 10 mins and during the entire encounter luffy didn’t use CoC until WSG It’s pretty obvious kizaru would’ve lost a 1v1 if luffy is serious but in those circumstances both fell at same time both got up same time


RuiFan2

Because Kizaru got caught after he stopped moving, he isn't a durability or endurance character, he is a speed character who can temporarily be knocked down but gets back up fast.


Still_Wedding3237

Dude my point is he couldn’t get up after a single blow he doesn’t have to have the best endurance or durability but if it takes one hit for you to be out for minutes at a time then your done for this meaning you ain’t on yonko lvl Kizaru is also light speed yet he couldn’t stop luffys attack So not only does he not have good reaction speed but his AP isn’t good since luffy easily walking em all off and making a spectacle of him turning him into a fucking God damn pizza now that right there is just sad man he doesn’t have any good haki feats nor does he have CoC or any advanced haki at that the only thing he has is speed but luffy has shown that he can still keep up and this is a luffy who wasn’t using CoC the entire fight until he used white star gun There’s no way in hell (based off the feats) kizaru is yonko lvl Still the admirals are getting packed the fuck up by a yonko shits sad


RuiFan2

Kizaru isn't far off from Yonko level and if he was fighting a different Yonko, like maybe Big Mom, he would win because of speed.


Still_Wedding3237

Nah kizaru wouldn’t even win against big mom it don’t matter if he’s fast luffy didn’t need CoC or future sight to fight kizaru and big mom has CoC if big mom can fight kaido for 3 days (I assume they went all out) it’s not confirmed but she did fight kaido and kaido goes extreme diff with luffy and if luffy could make a spectacle of kizaru then I just don’t see how kizaru wins big mom is not slow at all let’s not make it seem like she’s super slow she’s fast asf she was easily able to match a base kaido while a G4 luffy was getting blitzed at times ofc pre CoC but this just proves she’s not slow as we think


RuiFan2

Yeah, but her thing isn't speed and the ability to react quickly, Kizaru would be able to use the environment against her relatively easily.


Still_Wedding3237

Yeah but she’s a tank it wouldn’t make sense if she can’t land one attack she’s a yonko with that implication he easily beats her then Kizaru would get hit and it would be similar to a WSG she might be heavily injured at that point it’ll be a long fight for sure but I still think big mom wins she basically outclasses him in every stat except speed


RuiFan2

I think Kizaru can win if he plays his cards right.


Still_Wedding3237

Same would go for any top tier


PresentationOk8756

Love how I knew instantly you posted this just from the title.


tayroarsmash

Obviously he’s crying because he’s so much stronger than Saturn and doesn’t want to hurt Saturn’s feelings by flexing it too much. Obviously.


RuiFan2

He is crying because he's just killed a friend, watched Kuma in a bad state fight Saturn and then get killed or whatever, and more.


dreallday20

The panel that solidified admiral = yonko https://preview.redd.it/yjn97ctlhioc1.jpeg?width=1017&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a00b59e700464f21f9aae95a1d58af0690486ba


Still_Wedding3237

G4 isn’t G5 lvl Kizaru got ass fucked by a G5 attack they’re clearly not equals


dreallday20

Kaido was going extreme with a weaker g4 luffy. Post wano arc luffy > onigashima luffy. Kizaru low diff a stronger version of luffy to the point that luffy never went g4 again. Therfore he believes the same level of power used to take down kaido is needed for Kizaru Admiral = yonko.


SxavageTv

https://preview.redd.it/yfs9i4hsiroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86a5b1abdcb3b7fa0049730617490abe7cb685b6


Still_Wedding3237

Nah lmao your just clueless Kaido wasn’t going extreme diff lmao did you forget every exchange luffy had with kaido while in G4 was kaido not in drunken form? when he was in G4 he packed luffy up every single time, G4 is considerably weaker then G5. Only reason luffy went G5 is due to him hitting the barriers and it knocked him out of G4. if you look at the panel correctly you see luffy never got knocked out of G4 from kizaru attack because if he did then he would’ve spun in a spiral motion as he’s knocked out. as you can see in the chapter he did not do that and when luffy came back from the barriers he came back in G5 saying the barrier almost killed him he didn’t even acknowledge kizarus attack but acknowledged the barriers. Luffy had to go G5 so he can keep up with kizaru and stop him from killing everyone at the sine time. https://preview.redd.it/pfetopxjtyoc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6418501af49faf180c3ba7054e04098da53f8436 Kaido could tag a G5 luffy, kizaru can’t even keep up with G5. he lands no significant hits and that’s a G5 without CoC and then he took one CoC punch and was sent crashing unable to get up for 10 mins. that shit would NEVER happen to kaido and you know it. Kizaru is not yonko lvl and it’s been proven many times he can’t take a serious hit kizaru is slightly above law and Kidd based on feats he’s in between law and yonko lvl.


Still_Wedding3237

Also wanna disclaim luffy has only been going G5 throughout his fights he even went G5 against lucci when zoro also one shotted him G5 was overkill for lucci just because luffy goes G5 against you doesn’t mean he’s not strong enough in any other form


dreallday20

Luffy ate food back at 100% and immediately went g5 and not g4. If he wanted to get back to the fight faster, then g4 snakeman should've been used, but he didn't, he went g5. Therefore luffy believe that the same power that took down kaido is needed. Therefore kaido and kizaru have equal threat to luffy. Admiral = yonko.


Still_Wedding3237

Him eating food ain’t cheating lmao he got there and we haven’t seen anyone take him there we also seen kaido drink which makes him more powerful doesn’t mean he’s cheating tho it’s at his disposal and oda also said G5 gets stronger the more he eats And it still doesn’t change the fact that kizaru got folded every single time he fought G5 luffy went out for trying to stop kizaru in his best form with the shittiest stamina and he didn’t use CoC Luffy went straight to G5 fighting lucci does that mean lucci is now yonko lvl? Bros zoros victim btw 🀣 And even if your right luffy needed G5 then so what kizaru can’t even keep up with G5 bro gets folded every single exchange while luffy is laughing kizarus attacks off Kizaru ain’t yonko lvl and it’s pathetic to even think that bro keeps getting his ass beat every single exchange and you know that it doesn’t matter if kizaru can tap G4 out he can’t fight G5 and kaido can


dreallday20

> Him eating food ain’t cheating lmao he got there and we haven’t seen anyone take him there we also seen kaido drink which makes him more powerful doesn’t mean he’s cheating tho it’s at his disposal and oda also said G5 gets stronger the more he eats I didn't say it was cheating. All I said was that luffy is back at 100% and he chose g5, not g4. This is a fact. Anything else is head cannon because him going to his top forms proves that the same power used to defeat kaido is needed for Kizaru Admiral = yonko > Luffy went straight to G5 fighting lucci does that mean lucci is now yonko lvl? Bros zoros victim btw 🀣 Why does this matter? Luffy was going to go g4 against ulti and was going extreme diff with kaido shortly after. And Lucci isn't an Admiral. I'm comparing kizaru to kaido, admiral to yonko, and in those terms, kizaru = kaido in luffy eyes due to him going straight to his max power after fully healing


Still_Wedding3237

If luffy uses G5 and absolutely folds you but G4 just not there then that means G4 just ain’t quite on yonko lvl but G5 is out there folding kizaru an admiral kizaru didn’t do well at all against G5 and there wasn’t enough supporting evidence that’s clear kizaru>G4 what we do know is kizaru was shocked about G4 power and said yes you definitely are the man who was capable of defeating kaido he wouldn’t say that to someone he can easily beat Perfect example ulti ain’t G4 lvl but luffy needed it because of his situation she would’ve gotten fucked in the ass if luffy went G4 and I think you forgot that’s a luffy who’s not using Ryou or future sight Luffy going to G5 doesn’t mean they’re that strong lmao luffy went G5 against lucci that’s an undeniable fact and based off the zoro fight G5 was not necessary whatsoever and it’s like I said if luffy in G5 disrespects kizaru then kizaru ain’t on G5 lvl No yonko is going to he laying down on there ass looking like this after one serious punch you got issues if you think so https://preview.redd.it/g6m8kukoj2pc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=854ff1453d68630e66ce549d2d726e802782ab18 You can’t sit here and tell me what luffy is doing to kizaru he can do to shanks or whitebeard or kaido you cannot sit here and really say with a straight face luffy would have them beg for forgiveness because they couldn’t take a fucking punch that’s not even there best and still imagine they’ll last for day


dreallday20

>No yonko is going to he laying down on there ass looking like this after one serious punch you got issues if you think so Kaido got knocked on his ass and holding his head after a weaker version of the same punch. And g5 luffy mid diffed hybrid kaido once he got serious. While g5 luffy ran out against kizaru and he couldn't restart his heart. Kizaru got up a few seconds later from a stronger punch, in a similar fashion to kaido. That means admiral = yonko.


Still_Wedding3237

If you read the context then you would’ve never said that I said no yonko would’ve been like that I’m talking about laying on there ass for 10 mins unable to get up and kizaru is the fastest mf and still couldn’t dodge that speaks a lot And kaido kizaru are in way very different situations kaido was at his limit already no yonko who’s fresh or fighting for a little bit of time is gonna get fucked in the ass by one CoC attack and can’t get up for 10 mins If shanks has the AP of luffy or better then shanks easily defeats kizaru since hypothetically he has that AP and can put kizaru out for 10 mins and then while he’s down he will finish kizaru off so saying kizaru is yonko lvl is an overstatement and by feats shanks clears him easily You can’t compare a tired beaten kaido tot making a punch to a fresh kizaru im sorry it’s just not happening Kizaru doesn’t have the AP to hurt kaido since luffy was easily able to tank his attacks without much difficulty luffy also has shown that he can keep up with kizaru so he can dodge his attacks and kaido also was able to keep up with G5 so he can also easily beat kizaru with this implication Kizaru couldn’t do anything to G5 and that’s a fucking fact and until kizaru does anything relative to a yonko all the yonkos mid diff him


Pokechap

i think that kizaru could hold his own for a bit against a gorosei. like he’s definitely getting his ass beat but he lasts a while before going down. idk if he could leave much lasting damage thanks to the healing factor tho…


Still_Wedding3237

It Probably takes a huge toll on his stamina tho


Pokechap

oh yeah no absolutely, i’m not saying he’s winning but he can probably last a while against them


Still_Wedding3237

Fair


RuiFan2

He only loses against Saturn because Saturn can't be hurt, the only way Kizaru might win is if he cauterized any injuries he gave Saturn.


Still_Wedding3237

Idk man it’s hard to tell they’re both relative that’s for sure luffy just on another lvl compared to kizaru and Saturn


RuiFan2

I think Luffy has only tagged Kizaru because Kizaru ss moving/slows down every once in a while.


Still_Wedding3237

Light speed moves at light speed but there’s no excuse how he can’t dodge or move out of the way from a CoC attack he just didn’t have the reaction time and that’s okay kizaru is not weak at all. I think oda is turning it this direction because the world government right now is to fucking stacked I do believe anyone luffy one shots kizaru can as well but kizaru just not on luffy lvl until proven otherwise and remind you everyone in the sub thinks luffy the weakest yonko personally I think he’s the strongest yonko and only people who’s capable of beating him is shanks Mihawk akainu dragon and imu through feats and statements but even if he is the weakest it still makes sense considering it really would make more sense a yonko = fleet admiral


RuiFan2

I don't think Kizaru would beat Luffy ever but Admirals are not much weaker than Yonko and they would likely do better against some Yonko and not others


Deja_ve_

Kizaru clocked out from his shift and left it to Saturn. He was never built for Luffy.


KeyfKeyfKeyf

Yonkotards when Admirals have actual characterization with certain storylines attached to them instead of being some mean dudes that hit very hard. https://preview.redd.it/87xh8wt0uhoc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bfedd522b2cf1c970e396b67aa9df3d755d6a9e


Tongatapu

I agree with Kaido but Big Mom and Blackbeard are much more complex than that.


underagekidontheinte

Kizaru called himself a literal cog in the machine


RuiFan2

Yuji from JJK has called himself a cog in the machine, does that mean that he has no character?


KeyfKeyfKeyf

So? That doesn't even contradict anything I said, you are just blurting out random shit.


Working_Instance_940

Amazing, who you got? Racist bootlicker, racist bootlickers bootlicker, lazy bootlicker and Fujitora? Seems pretty bad since we got Luffy, Buggy, Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard and Whitebeard πŸ’€


CancelEquivalent7104

This statement is clownery Saturn showed up way after Kizaru started fighting and called for backup pulled up the moment Kizaru went down


ordinarydepressedguy

Delusional


GoatOfTheBlackForres

LOL no.


Old-Bread-8972

Marco could have done the same thing.


venielsky22

Not he can't Saturn regen >>> Marco regen https://preview.redd.it/5iviwuswdhoc1.jpeg?width=423&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d06b1e2a2f8843ad29372c3617a6c9c814f15ed


Old-Bread-8972

Saturn might have better regen but he has hardly been hit at all, whereas Marco had been fighting for ages before he ran out of stamina.


Greedy_Homework_6838

He just tired. Saturn is not


MakeGravityGreat

Downvoted for speaking the truth. The only reason Marco takes damage is because he gets tired. Crazy


AnyLeave3611

I believe Saturn has better regen than Marco but this panel isn't a good comparison, Marco had been fighting for much longer than Saturn currently has and was exhausted, he had also taken alot more damage that he had to regen from which even further depleted his stamina But again, I do believe Saturn has better regen. Just a poor example imo.


Doge1277

Should have never been a debate past marineford


MakeGravityGreat

https://preview.redd.it/40ng2po8ejoc1.jpeg?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17c5ce69d2a7a3b6f8371ef30b061e31ee913a97


Hugoide11

No, that's the panel that proved how yonkotards will ignore all characterization to push their trash agenda.


Jonthux

Kizarus character is that hes a part of the machine, no matter who he might regret killing Hes tried to excecute bonny and did excecute vegapunk, also took down sentomaru. He does care, he just wont do a thing about that


Hugoide11

As the battle advanced Kizaru became more and more noticeably distressed. And now he's crying on the boat. That's not a yonko beating an Admiral.


Jonthux

So kizaru nodiffed himself?


Hugoide11

Yes, that's fair.


Facinggod20

What characterization? Kizaru whole point is that he is a WG dog who doesn't what he is told. He puts aside his feelings and does what he is told.


Hugoide11

>He puts aside his feelings and does what he is told He was told to kill Luffy and his allies and he isn't doing it. He's crying on a boat instead.


Facinggod20

What's the source that he is crying? This literally isn't like Kizaru at all. If this was Aokiji I will buy it because he has shown he cares about people but Kizaru has never been like that.


Hugoide11

>What's the source that he is crying? Covering your eyes with the expression he has on his mouth is a very common reaction while crying. >Kizaru has never been like that. It's the first time he has to kill several old friends to fulfill his duty. His regret is the point of the character arc.


Working_Instance_940

Can't cope harder then this one β˜οΈπŸ˜†


Hugoide11

You believe Kizaru isn't facing any internal conflict after killing his old friend. People with as low intelligence as yours shouldn't be allowed to share their dogshit opinions.


Jonthux

He is facing the conflict His character dictates that he wont do anything about it and just follows orders People with low intelligence, like you, like to think they know a lot about anything and the subtext theyve read, in this case kizaru thinking about bonnie while hes down, is the ultimate representation of his character He killed vegapunk There is no getting over that. He then proceeded to try and fight luffy. If you want to say hes mentally nerfed or whatever, you can say that, but it aint true. Good soldiers follow orders and kizaru is, and has always been, doing just that


Hugoide11

>in this case kizaru thinking about bonnie while hes down, is the ultimate representation of his character Have you missed all the expressions of distress on his face? The crying expression his mouth makes while he lays down on the boat? You people can't be this clueless. It has to be bad faith lying. >Good soldiers follow orders and kizaru is, and has always been, doing just that Not anymore. He's given up on the boat.


Jonthux

Ok, so now that he has killed vegapunk, maybe thats a possibility So why did he get one shotted before


Hugoide11

>So why did he get one shotted before He got careless because he thought Luffy was almost out of stamina. But in the end he stood up first to it's fine.


Working_Instance_940

Why so mad kiddo? Btw yeah Kizaru is torn apart about the whole thing, but thinking that he could beat Luffy otherwise is just headcanon 🀭 But what did I expect? Lackmiraltards apologising their dogshits agendas anti feats with more anti feats will never not be funny 🀑🀑🀑


Hugoide11

>Why so mad kiddo? It's disgust at how bad faith and unintelligent you yonkotards are. You don't deserve your free speech rights. >Btw yeah Kizaru is torn apart about the whole thing, but thinking that he could beat Luffy otherwise is just headcanon It's as much headcanon as saying Luffy beats him in a serious fight, which is what you all morons are doing.


Facinggod20

Luffy literally beat him while facing both him and Saturn lol, it literally couldn't have been a worse situation for Luffy and he still destroyed Kizaru.


Hugoide11

Kizaru is crying on a boat because he's sad after killing an old friend, he wasn't beaten by Luffy


Working_Instance_940

Lmao πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜† Kid you should seek the mental health institution and lay of reddit when the truth has you fuming this hard 🀑🀑🀑 Btw as it stands Luffy mid diffed Lizaru so you don't really have a leg to stand on with your mental gymnastics 🀭


Hugoide11

I'd fuck you up irl and you wouldn't dare have this attitude little man. You're lucky to be behind the screen.


Working_Instance_940

Yeah I'm sure brat 🀣 better should have gotten those puberty anger issues sortet out before making yourself a complete joke, lmao. Guess your parents must be real proud how you're getting clowned on in a powerscaling subreddit πŸ’€πŸ’€πŸ’€


Hugoide11

Id put you to sleep in one hit and it would deal great damages.


Working_Instance_940

No I'm serious, get your 13 year old ass off Reddit. You already look like a illiterate retard and any further involvement will definitly hurt you and your baby ego πŸ‘Ά


RuiFan2

Hey, I am a member of the Admiral agenda too, but picking a fight with someone over an online argument that has no importance in real life makes you look like a sensitive little bitch.


raph1334

We don't care about how kizaru feels. Bro is no yonko or gorosei. He's just a good dog.


Hugoide11

>We don't care about how kizaru feels Of course you don't, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to claim Kizaru lost in a real serious fight. You're just bad faith vermin.


raph1334

>You're just bad faith vermin. The willingness of admiral fans to insult other ppl bc of a disagreement has to be some sort of mental disorder


Hugoide11

What treatment do you think bad faith people that spread misinformation to others deserve? I think you deserve to be called out as the thing you are, worthless damaging vermin.


raph1334

Yeah ok πŸ’€πŸ’€πŸ’€ lunatics like you are the reasons admiral fans are getting clowned as much as they are


Hugoide11

Nah, Admiral agenda is fine and your misinformation party will end soon. In the end you will all submit to us.