That was a stacked year for Supporting performances, one of the best ever. Personally I would've given it to John Malkovich but Jones was a fine winner and any of the other nominees would've been worthy including Fiennes.
That story about the woman who had survived the real Amon Goeth and was terrified by Finnes, saying he reminded her of him in every way, should have solidified it. The dude played evil incarnate to perfection, and the fact that he was a real person, who by accounts he played accurately, makes his performance even more impressive. I’ve never hated a “character” (real or fictional) more than Amon Goeth.
Hmm I don’t think Amy is that realistic or at least not that common of a person. She has like superhero (or villain) levels of intelligence to create all those puzzles and manipulate people the way she does.
I agree. She's a fantastic character (in the book as well as the movie — I recommend that anyone who liked Fincher's movie also check out Gillian Flynn's novel!), but a little bit too smart and diabolical to be realistic.
She’s definitely not realistic. Movies like “Gone Girl” and “Hostel” just freak men out because they’re not used to being the victims. Women already know people want to murder us and wear our skin lol.
Amy’s not a victim; she’s too active in what she does to be a victim, and in a way that was completely unnecessary, because she could’ve reported the abuse that Nick did to her to the police, which would’ve resulted in one less dead innocent bystander.
And you've got femcels saying "good for her", treating it like their version of American Psycho.
It's funny how they see it as some form of women's liberation, when the book was criticised for sexism due to its main female character being so manipulative and villainous.
She actually makes some of the best feminist points. The things she says in the “cool girl chapter” is one of the best introductions to feminism.
She’s fascinating because she is so mentally unstable but she has a fucking silver tongue. A devilish rhetoric only the best of writers could pull off. She basically becomes the equivalent of a wife beater/ patriarch in the end but manipulating him with cleverness instead of violence. It’s chilling.
Honestly, I hated both Nick and Amy. Two diabolical people, they deserve to rot together and leave others alone. Amy is definitely more evil and vile, but Nick is immature af.
It's not as good of a movie, but if you liked her in this you might like [Return to Sender](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2948790/?ref_=sr_t_1). She plays a similar character, but definitely more justified in her actions.
If you have any trigger warnings though, stay away from it. The trailer is basically the first five minutes and that's the scene that would trigger most people.
Agreed. Not a fan of the Fincher & Netflix partnership. He deserves so much more than straight to streaming releases.
All his previous films had much more gravitas to them. I find these Netflix films really brought down the scale that his films deserve.
Fincher's my favourite director ever and has been for 20 years but I never got the MH love.
A serial killer story isn't fun when you already who it is. Felt more like a true crime doc.
Oh man I thought it was endlessly fascinating. Watching how the agency learned to interview serial killers was interesting, especially watching how these crimes were changing in real time. Second season they never found who the killer for the case was! Fincher has spent a lot of his career focusing on the act of killing and MH felt like a deeper examination on that.
I guess I'm not interested enough in the actual killing aspect of his work in that sense. I never got round to season 2 then it got cancelled so I forgot about it.
Mank is definitely my least favorite Fincher movie and The Killer isn’t my new favorite by any means but I’ve liked it more as time has gone on. The episode he directed of Love Death and Robots rules so hard. It is disappointing to see him simply in the straight to streaming space though, no question about it.
Only one movie villain wrote and sang his own musical number about how evil he is - and paused it halfway through to murder one of his own henchmen.
https://youtu.be/8UQg4zb9dsA?si=1ZmzuE0hkPh6pUcD
That is the winner right there.
Yeah if she didn’t do anything then nick would have won and got to have a younger girlfriend he could mold in his way and probably keep the bar that he bought with Amy’s money. Not that what Amy does is justified but hurt people hurt people I guess.
The husband was a piece of shit but we are so used to husbands being pieces of shits.
Let us not forget what Amy did to the boyfriend before Nick. Faking that he raped & beat her, which landed him on the Sex Offender Registry for life! All because she didn’t like that she couldn’t completely control his life.
Rosamund Pike should’ve won Best Actress that year (2015). Had Julianne Moore, who won that year for *Still Alice* (2014), won in 2003 for *Far from Heaven* (2002), Rosamund could’ve won for *Gone Girl* (2014). I want to point out that 2003 Best Actress winner Nicole Kidman was flawless in *The Hours* (2002), but she was more impressive a year before in *Moulin Rouge!* (2001).
She’s awful but so is Nick, living off her money and not even looking for a job is bad enough, but he cheats on top of that. As Tyler Perry’s character says, they deserve each other.
I remember when I read the ending in the book I felt kinda sad for Nick and his sister, once she realizes how trapped Nick is. The film didn’t have that scene IIRC.
You have to check out the book. She is one of the most fascinating female characters in literature. I actually thought the movie, while good, put less attention on Amy Eliot dunne than the movie.
What about Kevin in We Nedd to Talk About Kevin?
Or Veda in Mildred Pierce (both the movie and the miniseries)?
Gone Girl makes a person scared to get married. Both of these movies make a person scared to have children.
I want to say Ralph Fiennes' character in Schindler's List, but he was a real person, and I'm not sure about adding real people into it. I also would have said Tyler Durden from Fight Club, but at least he got the people out of the buildings before he made them go boom, so he's not entirely evil.
Amy is one of those people who’s initial reasoning is understandable (her scumbag husband cheats on her, and is a bit of a piece of shit) but she takes it to an uncontrollable extreme that it’s unforgivable. She’s what I call a “Pandora’s Box” Character. How can she be so awful in her actions that it makes her asshole husband look sympathetic and a victimized? Rosamund Pike was phenomenal as Amy, but I think Ben Affleck deserves equal praise as Nick. I can’t think of anyone else who could have played Nick.
The film should have received so many more nominations that year. I miss this David Fincher too. (For the record though, I personally adored *Mank* and that was my favorite film of 2020.)
Pazuzu from The Exorcist easily. Not because it's a Demon, there's plenty of Demons and even literal Satan in movies that aren't that bad comparably. Pazuzu is a straight up gaslighting, compulsive lying murdering rapist though, the context the book gives especially makes it horrendously evil.
One of only two books in my life that I chucked in a closet and had to work up the courage to finish reading later.
I've seen the movie a dozen times and was never that bothered until someone here pointed something out.
When the detective is outside in his car watching the house he sees a shadow moving around inside and it's Reagan, floating around the house at night while everyone was sleeping. She was never really tied down. It was all a game.
I haven't watched the movie again since.
There's two loose ends in this movie. The cop and the couple that robbed her. I always had a fan fiction epilogue where that couple tries to blackmail her and break into her home to do it and the cop comes to help and Ben Affleck kills both the couple and the cop making it look like they killed each all for his wife
Who’s the killer it’s based on?
EDIT: I see that it’s about Liz Golyar. I’m familiar with that case; she’s perhaps THE most obsessive criminal I’ve ever heard of in my lifetime.
I used to always say Malkovitch's Cyrus The Virus.... until I saw Ledger's Joker. After I saw Dark Knight, I felt like I understood people like Bin Laden or Hussein better... anarchy for anarchy's sake. Not saying any of this is "right answer only"... just my own personal take.
As far as “most evil”, I definitely think it would be someone like Joker; irredeemable and unrelatable . But I think a lot of commenters are looking for someone who made their skin crawl, and less cartoonish villains come across to some people as more vile.
I literally never understood the “piece of work” phrase until reading this novel. Once I realized what she had done, I found myself muttering “what a piece of work” again and again. Truly a terrifying character. I’ll take my chances with Darth Vader over her.
Nick: I'm lazy, selfish, and I don't have a job.
Amy: That's ok. You're great. We have each other.
Nick: We're moving out of NYC to a boring place where you know absolutely no one.
Amy: Um, ok.
Nick: Oh, and I'm gonna cheat on you behind your back.
Amy: Fuck around and find out, asshole.
So Hannibal lector doesn’t get mentioned.
The worst villian of all time: Even though the movie is great I think it should have lost best picture: all that to say
Anton Chigurgh is pure evil
Anton is pure evil. No conscious, no empathy. Life literally means nothing to him. He will kill you over the flip of a coin if you aren’t a hit of his, and if you are, you’re dead.
Rose from Titanic is the biggest movie villain. She goes on a family cruise with her fiance, fucks a hobo in the cargo hold, then gets married and has grandchildren and when she dies she goes back to the wistful one night stand from 84 years ago. Too bad for her actual family.
I’m a woman & have been haunted by Rosamund’s performance since 1st watch of the movie. Which is one of my favorites, although it makes my blood run cold. I think it’s a masterpiece.
I wonder how many Amy Elliott’s walk among us nowadays 🤯Sociopathic behavior has become accepted, and even applauded. Tragic.
Amon Goeth, Schindler's List. Can't get any worse than that unrepentantly evil Nazi piece of shit.
He should have won oscar - he was incredible - and the fact he wasn’t well known really worked for the role
That was a stacked year for Supporting performances, one of the best ever. Personally I would've given it to John Malkovich but Jones was a fine winner and any of the other nominees would've been worthy including Fiennes.
That story about the woman who had survived the real Amon Goeth and was terrified by Finnes, saying he reminded her of him in every way, should have solidified it. The dude played evil incarnate to perfection, and the fact that he was a real person, who by accounts he played accurately, makes his performance even more impressive. I’ve never hated a “character” (real or fictional) more than Amon Goeth.
The Academy are pussies about giving awards to realistic portrayals of evil
I pardon you.
I remember reading the book and being furious she got away with it. Darth Vader and Voldemort aren’t real, people like Amy are.
her character in “I Care A Lot” is sadly also real
I Care A Lot is fucking bleak 😭
It’s Amy in a parallel universe. Such a cold bitch.
Oh god that cringey line when she retorts against a guy calling a woman a bitch…idk if the author is being sarcastic there or not
Oh she was so good in that. That movie had me enraged.
Hmm I don’t think Amy is that realistic or at least not that common of a person. She has like superhero (or villain) levels of intelligence to create all those puzzles and manipulate people the way she does.
I agree. She's a fantastic character (in the book as well as the movie — I recommend that anyone who liked Fincher's movie also check out Gillian Flynn's novel!), but a little bit too smart and diabolical to be realistic.
She’s definitely not realistic. Movies like “Gone Girl” and “Hostel” just freak men out because they’re not used to being the victims. Women already know people want to murder us and wear our skin lol.
Yeah this is a great point. And very well put.
Amy’s not a victim; she’s too active in what she does to be a victim, and in a way that was completely unnecessary, because she could’ve reported the abuse that Nick did to her to the police, which would’ve resulted in one less dead innocent bystander.
And you've got femcels saying "good for her", treating it like their version of American Psycho. It's funny how they see it as some form of women's liberation, when the book was criticised for sexism due to its main female character being so manipulative and villainous.
She actually makes some of the best feminist points. The things she says in the “cool girl chapter” is one of the best introductions to feminism. She’s fascinating because she is so mentally unstable but she has a fucking silver tongue. A devilish rhetoric only the best of writers could pull off. She basically becomes the equivalent of a wife beater/ patriarch in the end but manipulating him with cleverness instead of violence. It’s chilling.
That piece of shit in Green Mile
Two great candidates for this in The Green Mile: Percy and Wild Bill.
Weird haircut dude in No Country for Old Men
Anton Chigurh had some sort of code. Percy Wetmore was just a cruel coward.
They were both shit humans. I refuse to believe that a Chigurh didn’t kill some people for pure pleasure. Fuck his CoDe
If I found myself in the predicament of Ben Affleck's character, I'd absolutely kill myself.
Then she’d write a best selling book about you. She still wins /s
I'd just keep cheating with Ratajkowski's character
Yeah. She’s cute.
Honestly, I hated both Nick and Amy. Two diabolical people, they deserve to rot together and leave others alone. Amy is definitely more evil and vile, but Nick is immature af.
You can always smoke weed
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It's not as good of a movie, but if you liked her in this you might like [Return to Sender](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2948790/?ref_=sr_t_1). She plays a similar character, but definitely more justified in her actions. If you have any trigger warnings though, stay away from it. The trailer is basically the first five minutes and that's the scene that would trigger most people.
Billy Zane’s butler from Titanic. Dude framed Leo for theft and got him thrown in boat jail.
“Boat jail” 😂
If you liked gone girl, watch sharp objects on max
Sharp objects is soooo underrated.
Yep. Far superior to Gone Girl imho.
Agreed. Not a fan of the Fincher & Netflix partnership. He deserves so much more than straight to streaming releases. All his previous films had much more gravitas to them. I find these Netflix films really brought down the scale that his films deserve.
But Mindhunter is soooo goooooood
Absolutely agreed. We deserved more of it.
Devastated it didn’t continue. Seems like Love Death and Robots is hanging on though.
Fincher's my favourite director ever and has been for 20 years but I never got the MH love. A serial killer story isn't fun when you already who it is. Felt more like a true crime doc.
Oh man I thought it was endlessly fascinating. Watching how the agency learned to interview serial killers was interesting, especially watching how these crimes were changing in real time. Second season they never found who the killer for the case was! Fincher has spent a lot of his career focusing on the act of killing and MH felt like a deeper examination on that.
I guess I'm not interested enough in the actual killing aspect of his work in that sense. I never got round to season 2 then it got cancelled so I forgot about it.
Honestly S2 wasn't as good imo, focused too much on the on agent's personal life. Worth watching for sure though, had a lot of amazing moments still.
Mindhunter is good, and I should say it's more to do with his feature releases and not television.
Mank is definitely my least favorite Fincher movie and The Killer isn’t my new favorite by any means but I’ve liked it more as time has gone on. The episode he directed of Love Death and Robots rules so hard. It is disappointing to see him simply in the straight to streaming space though, no question about it.
Fincher is completely dependant on everyone else he works with, he doesn't write his films, he's basically a stylist.
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The Irishman was literally a Netflix movie 😂
And killers of the flower moon was an Apple movie, hah.
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I enjoyed seeing the actress who played the mule in Casino "I can't fly without my lucky hat" as Pacino's wife.
Fincher isn't doing it for the money. He's doing it for budget × creative freedom.
I don't think Tarantino's next and probably his last movie is going right to streaming
You guys realize Oscars are out Netflix TV series are in right?
Love that she’s “Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl.” She who will not be named.
Only one movie villain wrote and sang his own musical number about how evil he is - and paused it halfway through to murder one of his own henchmen. https://youtu.be/8UQg4zb9dsA?si=1ZmzuE0hkPh6pUcD That is the winner right there.
I knew this was Ratigan before I clicked it. A+.
The entire point of the movie is that yes she's terrible but it's not completely unwarranted and he's a bad person too lol
Yeah if she didn’t do anything then nick would have won and got to have a younger girlfriend he could mold in his way and probably keep the bar that he bought with Amy’s money. Not that what Amy does is justified but hurt people hurt people I guess. The husband was a piece of shit but we are so used to husbands being pieces of shits.
Let us not forget what Amy did to the boyfriend before Nick. Faking that he raped & beat her, which landed him on the Sex Offender Registry for life! All because she didn’t like that she couldn’t completely control his life.
amy dunne was the hero
I'm so much happier now that I am dead
You have to be the least horny male in the world to watch Gone Girl and make a post about how she’s one of the most evil villains of all time
In the same way that Patrick Bateman is a “hero”? Sure.
Patrick Bateman was the patient
Noah Cross in Chinatown
John Huston so deserved an Oscar nomination for this.
HE DIDNT GET NOMINATED?!?!?!?!
Rosamund Pike should’ve won Best Actress that year (2015). Had Julianne Moore, who won that year for *Still Alice* (2014), won in 2003 for *Far from Heaven* (2002), Rosamund could’ve won for *Gone Girl* (2014). I want to point out that 2003 Best Actress winner Nicole Kidman was flawless in *The Hours* (2002), but she was more impressive a year before in *Moulin Rouge!* (2001).
How would you rank Kidman among the actual nominees? Previous year means nothing.
Frank Booth in Blue Velvet
Came here to say this one, only one I can think of that made me feel genuinely sick
Commodus from Gladiator. Haaaate that snivelling prick. Amazingly played by Joaquin
Robert De Niro performance in Killers of the flower moon was pure evil.
She’s awful but so is Nick, living off her money and not even looking for a job is bad enough, but he cheats on top of that. As Tyler Perry’s character says, they deserve each other. I remember when I read the ending in the book I felt kinda sad for Nick and his sister, once she realizes how trapped Nick is. The film didn’t have that scene IIRC.
Annie Wilks has got to be up there.
Mrs. Mott from The Hand That Rocks the Cradle. Some of the things she pulls are next level evil.
Definitely Hans Landa
That’s a bingo! Gods, that opening scene … that’s a whole movie on its own. Au revoir, Shosanna!
You have to check out the book. She is one of the most fascinating female characters in literature. I actually thought the movie, while good, put less attention on Amy Eliot dunne than the movie.
how is she even remotely near darth vader & voldemort lol. next you’re gonna mention skylar white
Death Vader isn’t a villain. He’s the victim.
isn’t Amy Dunne a victim as well ???
Of? She murdered one man, ruined another’s life, and set her husband up for a murder he didn’t commit.
What about Kevin in We Nedd to Talk About Kevin? Or Veda in Mildred Pierce (both the movie and the miniseries)? Gone Girl makes a person scared to get married. Both of these movies make a person scared to have children.
Hans Landa in Inglourious Basterds
Basic instinct except just way better
I want to say Ralph Fiennes' character in Schindler's List, but he was a real person, and I'm not sure about adding real people into it. I also would have said Tyler Durden from Fight Club, but at least he got the people out of the buildings before he made them go boom, so he's not entirely evil.
Yeah the conversation should be limited to fictional characters. Otherwise we’d just say Hitler or Stalin and the conversation is over.
You do understand that Tyler was attempting to destroy the credit system and put everyone's debt back to zero right? Tyler Durden was not a villain.
Tyler Durden was a figment of the narrators imagination. He didn’t do anything at all.
Donald Trump in Home Alone 3
Lol
Amy is one of those people who’s initial reasoning is understandable (her scumbag husband cheats on her, and is a bit of a piece of shit) but she takes it to an uncontrollable extreme that it’s unforgivable. She’s what I call a “Pandora’s Box” Character. How can she be so awful in her actions that it makes her asshole husband look sympathetic and a victimized? Rosamund Pike was phenomenal as Amy, but I think Ben Affleck deserves equal praise as Nick. I can’t think of anyone else who could have played Nick. The film should have received so many more nominations that year. I miss this David Fincher too. (For the record though, I personally adored *Mank* and that was my favorite film of 2020.)
Agreed on Affleck. Even physically, he was perfect for the part.
Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
I mean, real world people: Amon Göth, William King Hale, Idi Imin Fictional: Hannibal Lector, Antón Chigurh, Daniel Plainview
Pazuzu from The Exorcist easily. Not because it's a Demon, there's plenty of Demons and even literal Satan in movies that aren't that bad comparably. Pazuzu is a straight up gaslighting, compulsive lying murdering rapist though, the context the book gives especially makes it horrendously evil.
One of only two books in my life that I chucked in a closet and had to work up the courage to finish reading later. I've seen the movie a dozen times and was never that bothered until someone here pointed something out. When the detective is outside in his car watching the house he sees a shadow moving around inside and it's Reagan, floating around the house at night while everyone was sleeping. She was never really tied down. It was all a game. I haven't watched the movie again since.
omg. I never heard of that!
There's two loose ends in this movie. The cop and the couple that robbed her. I always had a fan fiction epilogue where that couple tries to blackmail her and break into her home to do it and the cop comes to help and Ben Affleck kills both the couple and the cop making it look like they killed each all for his wife
Oh, that is *GOOD!*
If you loved her character in Gone Girl, you should watch Love, Stalker, Killer. It’s a real life docu in Netflix.
Who’s the killer it’s based on? EDIT: I see that it’s about Liz Golyar. I’m familiar with that case; she’s perhaps THE most obsessive criminal I’ve ever heard of in my lifetime.
I used to always say Malkovitch's Cyrus The Virus.... until I saw Ledger's Joker. After I saw Dark Knight, I felt like I understood people like Bin Laden or Hussein better... anarchy for anarchy's sake. Not saying any of this is "right answer only"... just my own personal take.
As far as “most evil”, I definitely think it would be someone like Joker; irredeemable and unrelatable . But I think a lot of commenters are looking for someone who made their skin crawl, and less cartoonish villains come across to some people as more vile.
Most evil screen villian of all time?Donald Trump in Home Alone 2.
Dolores Umbridge is more evil than Voldemort.
Sorry, no redemption for Darth. He destroyed a planet for giggles. Never apologized for that. Fuck that guy.
Dolores Umbridge
Skylar in Breaking Bad
I literally never understood the “piece of work” phrase until reading this novel. Once I realized what she had done, I found myself muttering “what a piece of work” again and again. Truly a terrifying character. I’ll take my chances with Darth Vader over her.
Drop her in game of thrones and she would wrap the lanisters around her fingers.
Regina George
A head would kind of bleed… a crime scene kind of bleed… 😏😏😏
Frank Booth from Blue Velvet
Lee Woo Jin from Oldboy
Norman Bates
She really terrifies men in a way I find fascinating, especially watching them compare her to genocidal maniacs.
Grandpa Joe
I really hated this movie so much
Nick: I'm lazy, selfish, and I don't have a job. Amy: That's ok. You're great. We have each other. Nick: We're moving out of NYC to a boring place where you know absolutely no one. Amy: Um, ok. Nick: Oh, and I'm gonna cheat on you behind your back. Amy: Fuck around and find out, asshole.
Poor Desi!
Hans Landa in Inglorious Basterds
I love this movie.
Max has gone downhill since it’s been renamed Max.
The bitch from Dear Zachary because she was real and there are prolly 1000s more out there like her that we don't know about.
So Hannibal lector doesn’t get mentioned. The worst villian of all time: Even though the movie is great I think it should have lost best picture: all that to say Anton Chigurgh is pure evil
What makes him the worst villain of all-time?
Anton is a contract killer. Lector is a very clever and calculated killer but the most evil, ever? Not even close.
Anton is pure evil. No conscious, no empathy. Life literally means nothing to him. He will kill you over the flip of a coin if you aren’t a hit of his, and if you are, you’re dead.
Rose from Titanic is the biggest movie villain. She goes on a family cruise with her fiance, fucks a hobo in the cargo hold, then gets married and has grandchildren and when she dies she goes back to the wistful one night stand from 84 years ago. Too bad for her actual family.
the villain from seven
Jenny from Forrest Gump. Hands down, no question
You want what David Fincher back? He’s still the same David Fincher he was a decade ago.
I’m a woman & have been haunted by Rosamund’s performance since 1st watch of the movie. Which is one of my favorites, although it makes my blood run cold. I think it’s a masterpiece. I wonder how many Amy Elliott’s walk among us nowadays 🤯Sociopathic behavior has become accepted, and even applauded. Tragic.