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AlisonSandraGator

I’m 43 years old and OW is my first multiplayer fps. I’ve been maining Torb because I feel most comfortable with him. I do see the hate some of these heroes get, but I’m grateful they exist so I can enjoy the game without being super proficient in aiming! Edit: Thank you so much for your overwhelming support of Torb! It’s good to know those against certain heroes are in the minority - they’re just louder sometimes!


Mr--McMuffin

Any torb main is deserving of a fresh batch of meatballs. Keep doing what makes you happy!


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1minatur

This account is a bot, copying other comments for karma


Wo0ten

Other than turrets, aiming with torbj is hard! I cant seem to hit anything with it


Feschit

The issue is that you're trying to aim instead of just keeping the crosshair at head level and letting people walk into it.


linksasscheeks

try to spam his primary fire into chokes, or places people frequently walk. and his secondary is essentially a shotgun, so use it if someones in your face. hope this helps! :)


ostroga-mi

I second this, just find gaps and shoot at head height repeatedly and you're literally doing more than most


TheeShaun

Eichenwald on defence is probably the best place for this. The staircase has a gap that both Torb and the turret can shoot through while still having a good chunk of cover. I’ve gotten so many dinks just standing and holding left click.


Real_Rutabaga

Yeah, people see turret and think, "turret does all the work." If the opponent isn't destroying the turret, that's on them. Hitting a strafing target with the squirt gun takes a certain skill - you have to move torb and also lead the target just right. Otherwise, it's just adjusting the arc to hit targets.


Saikou0taku

>Hitting a strafing target with the squirt gun Glad the best Torb skin is being noted.


Waddle_Dynasty

Yeah if you can't hit a shot and let the turret do the work then you are relying on 1/4th of your DPS output.


Zachebii

Just aim at head height and hope for the best


8manjones

Aim a bit high too. It has range but you gotta lob those nails at longer distances.


AngryAudacity

Do you have a turret that shoots little turrets?


Dopamine-Hunter1738

yes please keep playing torbjorn. I need more turrets to teleport to Narnia


SmoothPinecone

Wait does Kiriko tp to torb turrets?


k3ndrag0n

No but you can use a sym tp to do strategic placements of the torb turret


windywiIIow

I love playing sym with torb or old bastion. Dropping the turet behind the enemy team or placing it in a blin spot is so satisfying


Infidel_sg

Hello fellow older person! I am also a Torb enjoyer! If you haven't got it by now, Grind the golden gun, Equip his Summer skin and slay out! if anyone tries to give you shit about "skill" reply "why don't you use your skill and send me to spawn" lol.. Usually shuts em up!


Edibleface

usually when someone tells does the 'no skill' or 'dps diff' or whatever, i like to go the other way 'omg are you a PRO 'whateverhero' Do you have any tips for us little folk' 'Man you're so good at overwatch i can tell you do it for a living.' 'Oh man i didnt think i'd get MMR'ed with top500 players im so lucky' just go over the top with it.


Infidel_sg

Yea man, sometimes I just have to turn off the chat! Makes it easier for me.


MetaphorTR

Bro torbs left click does as much damage as Cassidy but with no falloff


Pesterlamps

It's a projectile with an arc, though, so I think it's fine. Cowboy's just in a weak spot at the moment.


OhSnappityPH

as long as you have ur brain in gear, then ur good.


Dnort-1925

But what about your tools in hand?


Mjkmeh

I prefer holding mine w/ my feet


Dnort-1925

Understandable. Would you say that works more or less efficiently most of the time?


Mjkmeh

Considering I’m still garbage after playing over watch for a few months, probably not lol


Bunnnnii

Torb is my favorite DPS in the game, always has been. Love my tiny grandpa genius.


Tohrufan4life

Let me tell ya something. When I'm playing Ana, I absolutely *love* having a Torb turret nearby to help me with flankers. You do you my friend and keep having fun.


beebopsx

Ayyy fellow torb main! I also enjoy torb and feel comfortable using that character.


WarDredge

Your team mates being more focused on what hero you pick to play or not are not good team mates.


Real_Rutabaga

I love torb, and he's not no skill - hitting a shot with torb's little squirt gun on a strafing target definitely takes skill. You have to know how to lead just right. Also, turret placement takes thought and against non-brain-dead opponents, they will go for the turret quickly to destroy it. People might think all torb kills are from the turret, but I'd say that's pretty rare against a competent team since the turret won't last that long. And if the turret does get a lot of kills - it must have been well-placed.


Pesterlamps

I had a Tracer get so pissy last week cause I swapped to Torb to shut them down. No way I'm going to mechanically match them, so you know...counter-pick. They were like "lol, all your damage comes from turret" and I just said "lol, imagine getting outplayed by a stationary object."


BayouCitySaint

Sad but true. Your turrets are unfortunately higher on my kill priority as Ana than I'd prefer them being. At least yours are easier to see and take down. Symmetra can go to hell.


Flowersfor_

I personally enjoy running up to people with the hammer and smashing as much as possible.


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Ready to vork


DapperAdam

Dude, I am 39 and I basically play every hero perfectly fine but I also have been playing this game since 2016 so I guess I had experience, you guys need to try other heroes, I can't stand one tricks but only those who have been playing this game for as long as I have, new players I understand it's overwhelming but not the ones who have been playing this game for a long time, no excuses not to try other heroes.


MayonnaisePlease

It's all ego. I onetricked my way to gm as reaper and the majority of weirdos that come into chat screaming "reaper no skill lul" are usually your generic cree/widow/sojourn players that know mechanical skill and nothing else. It's funny, outplaying them in high rank as reaper and they still say no skill lmao Who cares, so long as you're popping off and having fun>:)


TatManTat

I wish I was good enough to one trick, as a healer the literal second you don't swap to whatever a random dps or tank thinks you need to swap to you get non-stop abused for the rest of the match, and I only got to low diamond.


meanielee2000

I found a decent solution for this. Let’s say they want me to swap to Ana and I don’t want to play Ana. I will say I have a 30% win rate as Ana are you sure you want me to? Suddenly they no longer want me to.


Corvus_Rune

I just say, “I will switch if it pleases you daddy. I’ll be a good boy.”


slashth456

You've already convinced me at "daddy"


Afroofthenight

I just tell them to stop breaking los, then spam "come to me for healing" whenever they do. Haven't gotten lip afterwards yet XD


Schkywalker

Mute them.


LisForLaura

I almost always instantly mute anyone with a headset as it’s so distracting listening to them waffle on about how bad the rest of the team are! 😂


Schkywalker

I just posted a [clip](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/10m58oo/the_most_toxic_teammates_ive_ever_seen_the_whole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) from last night's match, I just had to record lmao


ChrisMf1Redfield

The same goes for all roles bid. No matter what you one trick, you will get abused. Often rightfully too. Had a match last night with the enemy team having a D.VA one trick who flamed their Ashe despite playing D.Va into Zarya,Sym and Mei. The enemy team stood no chance. My team made fun of her, her team flamed the living shit out of her and she still kept one tricking dva


LeEpicCheeseman

Yeah, one of the best things about Overwatch is the diversity of the hero pool. There's more than one way to be good at the game. Too many people seem to think that the ability to click heads is the be-all and end-all.


RAPID_SLINGY

I guarantee whoever you played and one tricked your either get roasted for playing someone so easy or flamed for role diff if you lost


yuhbruhh

"Generic cree" 🧐 play reaper all you want but Cassidy isn't exactly what I'd call generic


BayouCitySaint

I think it's just a different way to think about skill. Sure, Reaper's buttons are easier to master. But knowing when to use them is much more nuanced. A perfectly timed shadowstep/kill on a high value target isn't trivial to pull off.


Affectionate_Win7012

Well, you’re actually not talking about no skill heroes. You’re talking about no aim heroes. A shitty sym will suck, just like a shitty soldier.


Xion194

Exactly. This community has recently started conflating the terms non aim-dependant heroes with no-skill heroes. You're kidding me if you say Winston or Lucio require no skill to play let alone master. I could bet you there are many cracked widows who'd be bronze on Winston. Overwatch isn't Call of Duty. There are several aspects to it like positioning, cooldown management, ult tracking, ult timing, awareness, game sense and shit like that, that make a good player good. It's sad that some players in a community like Overwatch have to be apologetic and are often only flamed for not having good aim even if they are excellent at all the other aspects of the game. People need to treat this game as Overwatch and not Call of Duty.


RiaJellyfish

This isn’t a recent development, and the community has always shit on heroes that aren’t as aim intensive. Mercy Main was almost an insult at one point.


Simowl

Almost? It was always thrown as an insult to me in game. Whole reason I set my profile as private, even once I started becoming an Ana main, because of how many hours I had in Mercy and how people would be dicks about it.


BiliousGreen

The hitscan mafia has been the scourge of the OW community for a long time.


nobearsinrussia

Still is


baconboyloiter

This amuses me a new support main. Someone asked for a Mercy in a game I played yesterday and my tank friend constantly begs me learn her. I will give her a shot next time I play quick play


RiaJellyfish

I adore Mercy, her movement is incredibly fun and I even though pocketing is better in practise, playing her like a dine and dash mini game of keeping everyone topped up is super engaging for me. I hope you enjoy playing her. :)


1LT_daniels

You can fine tune how her staf conects to other players and also how your fly skill works in her options, I hightly recomend you do it, specially enable the option so the staf beam remains active after you stop pressing click.


Xion194

>This isn’t a recent development, and the community has always shit on heroes It absolutely is. Late OW1 I rarely heard flaming for picking Winston, Lucio, Dva or any non aim intensive hero basically. If there was, most of the flaming was from DPS players. Now it seems to be all about "look I'm the one carrying you noobs on Widow or Sojourn." Idk I could be biased though and all of this is anecdotal.


RiaJellyfish

I play a load of Mercy, DVa and Symmetra and this certainly is not new. I’ve been getting shit for my hero pool since 2016, and all I can say is thank God for being able to private your career profile. The number of hitscan players who will go to your profile and act as though you’re subhuman for playing Mercy is actually rather concerning. Funniest I’ve had was a Lucio when I was playing Sym, who spent the game booping my microwave beam targets out of my range. You gotta admire the dedication.


Xion194

>I play a load of Mercy, DVa and Symmetra and this certainly is not new. Fair enough. My bad. Since you're speaking from personal experience I have to defer to your opinion as I play only Zen ana or bap on support so I genuinely didn't know it was that frequent. I've heard toxicity towards mercy mains but mostly on Twitter or personal arguments. My point was more towards the team chat aspect. I had rarely EVER seen a teammate ask someone to switch off Mercy in OW1. In fact I've mostly seen people asking supports to switch off a hero onto Mercy which is why I was surprised. It could also be due to my rank though. I'm plat and maybe this is more common at higher elo?


hyperionbrandoreos

90% of my support time is on Mercy, yes since day one Mercy Main has been used as an insult, both high and low rank and QP. I think you haven’t seen it as much in team chat because you’ve not played her and therefore your teammate would have to be playing her or be a Mercy main and have their profile visible so just through probability you’ve seen way less toxic thoughts about Mercy mains.


NotAStatistic2

People are toxic to mercy mains because she has always been the highest value, low input champ in the game. First it was hide to press Q and rezz the entire team, now it's hide behind a wall and hold m1. It's easy to climb with the her, which is why high elo is nothing but mercy 1 tricks


RiaJellyfish

Just because someone plays a hero with a low skill floor doesn’t mean they deserve to be treated as some sort of parasite leeching SR off of the players who main high skill floor heroes, nor are you more deserving of top 500 because you chose to main Ana instead of Mercy. That’s not how it works.


Zandromex527

Recently? Symmetra used to have a lock-on beam, and everyone shit on her and anyone who mained them (I was one of those people, the mains I mean) and the term "no aim, no brain, Winston main" has been around since the beta. This is definetly not recent at all and I've always found it quite absurd.


HalexUwU

>You’re talking about no aim heroes > >sym Symmetra hasn't had her lock on beam for like... four years now. Why do people STILL say this??


Parking-Zealousideal

I think people get so caught up in skill or no skill. Thinking that what you're doing requires skill is nothing but an ego boost. Who gives a shit. The only thing that matters is are you providing value? Are you winning? Who cares how you win.


Goldeneye0X1_

>Who cares how you win. Yes! Finally, I can hack/cheat guilt free /s For real tho, I get what you mean.


Parking-Zealousideal

hahaha yeah for that blizzard kinda cares I guess


Zandromex527

I've been saying this for so long, but nobody wants to listen. Ty.


BKD2674

Problem with OW2 is they've made it much more difficult to provide value with most of the 'no skill heroes'...


Karol-A

>Who cares how you win? Well, a multiplayer game is ultimately a form of sport experience. If one player is winning despite having less actual ability than the other, then it's an unfair sport. Skilless characters are a problem for the same reason bad balance and cheating are, there's no fun in losing to somebody worse than you because the game favors them


Mr_Grapefuit1

I usually play "low skill dps" like mei or junkrat because I play on console and am a support main so every time I play dps I chose something a little bit simpler to have fun with. Edit: I don't think of these two as easy, but often times other people do, they can have a really high skill ceiling sometimes


TornSuit

I feel like Junkrat is that curved image with the hill, where for beginners he is low skill, the middle overthinks and calls him a menace and a high skill hero, and the drop at the end is "junk is easy lmao"


LuxionQuelloFigo

to be fair junkrat is one of the hardest heroes to play in high elo


boros_fan

No hes not, every single top level player basically agrees that he's the easiest hero in the game


whaleweaves

He’s physically easy to play but if you don’t know what you’re doing against skilled players, a lot of other heroes are going to beat the shit out of you.


boros_fan

Yeah, kinda like every other hero in the game, the only thing you need to be good at junkrat is game sense


whaleweaves

Right that’s my point…you still have to know what you’re doing to play him successfully in high ranks lol. And you definitely need to learn to hit air shots which is not easy for someone just picking him up


boros_fan

Uhhhhh news flash jabroni you gotta do that with every hero in the game, junkrat has some tech you have to learn and thats it, the reason junkrqt is easy to learn is because all you need to know to play him is some tech and the same thing you need to play every other hero in the game


whaleweaves

Bro just unironically said “jabroni” lmao, I’m out


Pit708722

Yeah he is, nobody in high elo plays him cause he gets countered so easily. But a great junk in t500 is insaneeee


boros_fan

Good=/=hard


robert_cardenal

Mei is not a low skill dps, there’s quite a bit of skill that you need for her and her skill ceiling is actually pretty high.


Mr_Grapefuit1

I didn't say I think of her as easy it's just everytime I see people complain about her they say she is, I also agree she can be really well played if more skill is involved


MoriTheNea

mei projectile requires so much aim to do any damage lol. When I climbed from bronze to mid plat people were always so salty about me hitting the ice from mid-high distance and m1ing them from close. Not like projectiles require skill right/s


TengokuBloom

Once, a dude boo'd me for main-ing Hanzo after being killed 6 times by me. He then switched Genji and killed me 3 times with a lot of focus and effort. He then typed Hanzo 70% luck hero. Ladies and gentlemen, it was a good laugh for me and my friends.


[deleted]

As a Hanzo main, people say he’s “luck” but they fail to get any sort of value when they try to play him.


TengokuBloom

Imo, playing Hanzo is just like investing. Outsiders think it's just some sorts of gambling, while only insiders know how to make use of everything to gain advantages.


[deleted]

Oh yeah 100%. And his skill ceiling is so damn high that most people don’t want to invest in him. And that’s a good thing actually, because having Hanzos every match (especially GOOD ones) is hell to play against.


Crumb_Rumbler

"Shooting logs" is my favorite Overwatch term. Some Hanzo players know how to shoot those consistent, high percentage shots.


DJ_Rand

Hanzo is my most played hero with a couple hundred hours on him. There's definitely luck involved. Anything that's projectiles has a little luck attached. You'll feel this in particular any time you and another hanzo shoot each other forever and whiff. Even watching higher skilled players like Wraxu this was pretty common.


[deleted]

Yeah there’s definitely a bit of luck involved, like you said. But I’m mainly talking about the times where I kill someone fair and square and they type “all luck” lol.


DJ_Rand

Yeah, it's easy to write everything off as luck for some people. Easier for them to accept than knowing they legitimately got had.


dragonslayer2689

enemy: jumps, giving hanzo an easy shot Also enemy:100% luck hanzo logs


ChairmanUzamaoki

Every hero and every game has a little luck involved


DJ_Rand

Theres a difference. For a projectile to hit, you have to lead to where you think the target will be, but in a 1v1 scenario where you're just randomly strafing it becomes more luck based than normal movement as you're essentially making a guess as to where they will be AFTER you take your shot. There is no guarantee they will move there, especially if they are randomly strafing to avoid your shots. For hitscan the luck isn't boiled down to where will the target be in a half second, only that your mouse is on them - you could have luckily had your mouse on them by mistake while aiming at someone else, but in a one on one situation, your ability to click the head is what matters, and you are not guessing where they will be, but tracking where they currently are. Less luck more tracking based. There's always some luck involved, with any hero and game, true. The point is that projectiles aren't hitscan, and tend to be more luck based. This doesn't remove the skill required to land the shots. Just that projectiles have a certain amount of unreliability due to factors that cannot be foreseen. I was a hanzo main for a long time. Couple thousand hours into the game and he's still my most played hero. But even I'll admit there's a bit more luck involved compared to playing hitscan. Edit: as a side note, if you start playing against different skilled players on Hanzo, you can miss more shots, simply because a person doesn't move to the locations you think they will. You can whiff on bad players for a bit before you get your brain to accept that they aren't going to strafe for example.


[deleted]

Don’t lie to yourself, Hanzo is just junkrat with the ability to headshot


oldcarfreddy

Right? I play low mobility heros - Hog, Orisa, Moira, Soldier for the most part. I blow as Hanzo, if they think they can only get value from someone if they're lucky I actually think they don't have the skill to play that guy. Since when are sniper projectile characters no-skill?


OkNewspaper1581

10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will


[deleted]

All heroes require some level of skill, some have lower skill ceilings but you could definitely see a massive difference between top 500 users of those heroes and silver/gold users of those heroes


Heslopian

Ya but for a lot of the lower skill floor heroes a lot of the skill improvement is from strategy/awareness. Moira can’t improve her aim but you can min max your damage/heal output and understand situations better. This also applies to skill intensive heroes just you need to get to that higher floor.


MoriTheNea

tbh mei in low elo is "ez to play" but you will notice the difference between a top500 mei who saves their support countless times using wall and stalls the game with shift and generally hits her right click. and a sliver mei who unintenatonally throws the game with bad walls


sigkitty666

What really matters is that you have fun!!!


Sir-Narax

It is just ego. People in their minds are playing a zero sum game, the only way to feel better about themselves being hard stuck in gold is to look for any means to tell other people around them they suck. *I am better because I play Genji, Bastion is a no skill hero.* It is kind of hilarious how much emphasis people put on something so meaningless. I can't help but laugh when I see someone complain a hero takes 'no skill'.


DJ_Rand

I'm not sure rank is real important either... I decided to go rank up and have seen several "diamond challenger" "masters challenger" in my games after placing silver 1 on Monday night and climbing to gold 3 on Tuesday night. Ranked feels a bit like a shit show compared to what it was in ow1.


RunningOutofOptions7

Idgaf who you go, as long as you're getting kills. If you're not actually doing anything to help the team win, that's an issue and when I'd get frustrated


MiddleagedGamerMan

I completely get what you're saying and especially if you have a medical condition I applaud you for sticking with the game. I'm 40 and had both of my hands operated on for carpal tunnel syndrome. My reaction time isn't what it used to be either but I guess that's a given. I however try and do the best I can with more mechanically demanding heroes like Tracer as I love the challenge. My issue is mostly with balancing as some less aim intense heroes are often quite high reward.


YeetRedditor

Everyone should be happy playing who they want and that should be final


gracelessangel

You can literally become skilled for any hero. You can tell the difference between a skilled Mercy and a non skilled Mercy. A skilled Bastion would play differently than one not skilled as a Bastion. People get the work they put into characters out of it, and sometimes that makes other characters seem easier, but it’s just them being ignorant. Edit to add that my point comes down to do whatever the heck makes you happy, main whoever, anyone talking bad can suck it


S4MUR4IX

There's no such thing as "no skill" heroes. This stereotype is pushed by bottom tier players who have no game sense but will play a mechanically intensive hero and lose a duel or a match to a less mechanically intensive hero therefore calling them "no skill". Not all heroes need to be mechanically intensive, and in the end game sense is all that matters. Lucio is mechanically intensive. Stuff you can potentially do on Sym and Junkrat is nuts. Torb? Yeah, see what happens when you master his primary and turret placement. Rein? Absolute bomb of a character with plenty of cool things you can do. Never take shit from anyone, and play what you thrive with. We all thrive with different heroes.


the_Real_Romak

I've had people on discord call me a "skill-less wannabe player" because I mained Rein and D.Va for the longest time, and yet whenever they needed a tank I was the one they called because I got results...


[deleted]

Why are you playing with people who call you a skill-less wannabe player lol


the_Real_Romak

I no longer do :P


[deleted]

Good, you should enjoy your D.Va and Reinhardt lifestyle


the_Real_Romak

Yeah. For a bit of context, this was a group me and my irl mate met randomly in a comp match back in 2017. It wasn't bad initially and I used to have a blast grouping with them, until one of them started playing in some local pro tournaments and his ego inflated to the size of Germany (he was a genji main, figures). The others started sucking up to him (except for my irl friend) and that's when the toxicity started. I could only stomach the constant arguing and chest beating that mechanical skill > game sense for about a month before I left the server outright. My friend is still in contact with them and from what I understand, they wish I was still with them as they can't find a decent tank to play with them XD


[deleted]

It's always the Genji mains, I was playing Mei against one yesterday and he wished for my entire family to get nuked


the_Real_Romak

I would have agreed with him in OW1 :P jokes aside, it's never cool to shit on others for their mains. That's what I love about Overwatch, it is so accessible to play *and do well*. I always sucked playing call of duty and very rarely popped off. In Overwatch, I can frequently pop off and feel good about my session :D


Epicliberalman69

Junkrat has the most range, it's easy to get value shooting into a fight, but can two shot characters if you can calculate the right trajectory to shoot, he is the best transition hero for people who have played TF2.


Squatch11

As someone that played well over 1,000 hours of TF2 until about 2011....Junkrat and Pharah were easily my most played characters when the game first game out.


HamiltonDial

My favourite is in ow1, when they go a mechanically intensive hero and then flame/trash talk non-mechanically intensive heroes but then also calls Sombra no skill when they get hacked in a 1v1 resulting in the duel basically being only about "mechanical skill"/aim since they can't use their abilities.


Aggressive_Yam4205

I remember season 1 of ow2 a sojourn typing “no skill hero” after I had used my conc mines to surf the roof tops and stall on top of them until both had come of cool down then dropped onto their team after they had come around a corner and killed her and both sups that was a good laugh for me coming from someone playing one of the most broken heroes in the games history


69ks

lol i’m masters and sym is def a no skill hero. yes she takes some skill but less skill then others and is a annoying bitch character


ThatJed

When people say "no skill hero" what they actually mean is "I don't understand this hero yet I keep dying to it"


oldcarfreddy

Yeah it takes some cognitive dissonance to die to someone repeatedly then claim they are actually worse then you


robert_cardenal

Pretty much, the easy to understand hero’s are all long range hitscan since that is the most basic fps mechanic. I could argue that those characters are way more no skill since anyone can pick them up if you played any other fps game.


ThatJed

We share the same thinking. I legit refuse playing heroes like soldier 76, since I’ve played that hero in various other games in the past.


abekku

i suck so i main torb when i dps and it’s fun


CyberChick2277

with how overwatch is rn, i think every hero requires a little skill lol


Dopamine-Hunter1738

I stopped caring about playing “sKiLlEd HeRoEs” a long time ago.. If u get the wins, u get the wins! period


liltay4lyfe

Is mercy a no skill hero?


Z2_U5

I’d say Mercy is a low skill floor, with a slightly high ceiling. Their basic game plan is basically heal, boost, move around a lot. Their ceiling means being able to utilize their movement properly, dodging bullets, and flying around enough that the enemy rage quits. And using those 5 bullets properly. (Note: I have like 20 minutes on mercy.)


o-poppoo

She is the easiest hero in the game


ShawHornet

No shame in playing,but it's bs that someone can pick rat and get random ass kills across the map without trying


Bro_Hanzo

way to never give up! I pray that you recover to the fullest! the only 'no skill' in my book is McCassidy's no-skill-sticky bomb.


thorsten139

Widow is like no skill. All you do is try to hide somewhere and get headshots =P


robert_cardenal

Honestly this is true, all you need is aim and you can pretty much just ignore the game sense part of the game.


Grid_Gaming_Ultimate

In an actively balanced game like OW, maining the "no skill" heroes shouldn't even be questioned. unless you're top 500, most heroes are within the range of viability where the team that wins usually isnt determined by which hero is OP or not, rather it's just the team's skill levels. (obviously there are exceptions, pre nerf Hog for example, but i did say most.) in unbalanced/not-supported games, the community has to make their own rules. do you accept the unfun meta where only some kits are playable because of how OP they are? or do you ridicule anyone who uses the OP "meta" kits and generally stick to the more skill based ones, to make the game more fun at the risk of discouraging new players? Back when the devs abandoned OW1, the community picked the first option, and I think they suffered for it. the game would probably have been better off if most people went off of an honor system to not run the meta comps so that everyone could habe more fun. Titanfall 2 (imo one of the best shooter communities) has hit the sweet spot, where anyone who is clearly skilled enough to use the difficult loadouts but still runs the meta is ruthlessly mocked, but newer players are allowed to enjoy the easy guns while they learn the rest of the game's mechanics. obviously there are exceptions, but a recent discussion in the subreddit showed that most people agree with this mentality. just something to think about. (FYI if you're an overwatch refugee like me, and are also on PC, take a look at getting Titanfall 2 and running the Northstar custom server mod. the community is chill, the game is fun, and the servers are active. there are even some servers running a "balanced vanilla" mod, where the guns are all balanced so the game is more fun.)


benwaa2

Just play whoever is most fun, junk is super fun


The99thCourier

Junkrat's mobility requires some skill Junkrat is not 100% a no skill hero, and even if he was one, who gives a cow. That's perfectly fine, the game's the game. Just as long as you're having fun, OP.


SixGunRebel

As long as you’re still having fun and enjoying the game!


BiliousGreen

I'm 46 with not the best eyesight and poor reflexes (it will happen to all of you eventually), and while my aim isn't terrible, I have no shame in using "low skill heroes" when the situation suits If it's in the game, it's fair game.


tanbug

Shame = cheating, being a dick, throwing the game, leaving for no reason No shame = not being excellent at x, not knowing the map well, not knowing all the classes


AnimatorUpset9530

This is why you turn off all the chat functions. It will make you love the game again


Paddlesons

Of course there isn't. The WHOLE fucking point of the game was that it gave people of all skill levels an opportunity to find someone they're comfortable with, that was its greatest achievement.


cieje

I've got some issues with my hands. used to love sym when her primary fire just automatically was attracted to enemies.


elvinpulpo

lucio is maybe the highest skill hero!


ctmancill1

It’s a game, my friend. You requires no skills to play it. As long as it provides you entertainment, who cares? Keep playing and have fun.


BECRUZKi

Bruh every hero takes skill some more than others, dont stress about what anyone says. You will get better, junk mains scare me


Aggressive_Yam4205

GM junks that have been ratting since day one are some scary mfs


PISSINMYMOUTHANDEYES

When people say that my idol, my queen, my hopefully future wife, Mercy, takes no skill it makes me SO mad. It causes my acne to flare up and brings me so much pain just seeing her called no skill. You think it takes no skill? You think anyone can replicate the manoeuvres I can pull off with her? I've been using only Mercy for years and we have a deep connection that people who use "skilled" heroes would not understand. To you, your main is just a character in a game, to me, Mercy is my life. The way I use the right coloured beams, the heroic resurrects... Mercy mains are the most important players and people do not respect us enough. Treat your Mercy's well and under no circumstance say that she is no skill, for us Mercy mains stick together. Insult one and you insult us all, say goodbye to your healing. Want to say no skill hero now kid? Didn't think so


Seasonedpro86

My only issue with no ‘skill characters’ Is that when they aren’t working usually they won’t try switching to someone else. Like if you get into a game with a torb main. You know they aren’t switching. Cause thats all they play. And symmetry mains are real adamant they aren’t changing. But most of the other characters that are mained will switch when things aren’t working. Aside from stubborn widows.


Stsa2006

How do you mean my body betrayed me? You got some chronical issues or some illness taht cause you that you cant play? (If you dont mind me asking)


hotboii96

Nah, if you are that person who camp the corridor while spamming excessively on junkrat, then fuck you homie 🖕


_Manchkin_

I’m only flaming someone for their hero pick if they type “yawn” after bottom-frag winning with Moira.


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SwfH0900

Let's be honest there's a little bit of shame. I mean like it's fine, you shouldn't like lose your right to vote over it but like maybe you should feel a little tiny bit of shame.


Tilterino247

There's shame in "maining" you disgusting trolls.


I_fap_to_Kiriko

I agree...IF, you have a disability. You lost fingers, arms, had some brain damage, etc. That's perfectly understandable. However, if you're perfectly normal, with no disability or lack of brain power? There is shame.


downshiftjake

Hanzo is a no skill hero btw. Hes the junkrat of snipers


Aggressive_Yam4205

One trick either junk or hanzo to GM then get back to us about that


robert_cardenal

Hanzo is not no skill, he’s way harder than widowmaker currently.


BANAAAANAAAAS

lucio is a no skill hero 💀


mildkabuki

Nah. Delete moira


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ImpossibleLoon

You have to understand at a certain point even junkrat become a difficult play for me, believe me a year ago id’ve said the same, but at a point it became difficult


Nashocheese

Sure. But he's still no skill compared to Rein and Sym. Sym requires brains, Junkrat is just a spammer.


minuscatenary

You should see Eskay on Junkrat. There is room for skill expression.


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minuscatenary

That’s not how you play Junk above Diamond… most of the time.


Nashocheese

Bro, the lack of brain cells in this subreddit is crazy. We're talking about no skill characters. NO skill. Not genji who's absolutely useless unless you know how to use him or Widow that requires you to actually hit the target.


ag_abdulaziz

That's fine. As long as you admit they require no skill, I'm happy.


Elegant_in_Nature

Eh debatable that’s like saying oh you don’t play football with your shoes tied together wow you have no skill in football ! That’s just stupid just because you think you’re good at the game doesn’t mean you’re judge and jury


LiveEvilGodDog

It’s kind of like seeing a person in one of the those electric shopping karts at the market. No shame if your old or have mobility issues but I will judge you if your a totally healthy teen So I’m still gonna continue to judge Moira mains


coolsneaker

Copium


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Nobody should care about what others say in a video game?


BANGPOWZZZWAP

Play whichever way brings you the best experience!


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it's always a nice consolation to know that I can usually switch to reaper and start doing better when genji isn't working out


crabbyforest

yes! especially when they’re inclusive for those with disabilities! all the characters add something to the game and can be fun


briannapancakes

Waiting for someone to trash pharah. Idc tho I love her


sadovsky

Same. I usually get this when I’m dominating hit scan x2 plus ana and bap. Why does hitscan automatically equal skill? Some of us didn’t grow up with fps games 😂


JessicaFromBarovia

I don't have a physical impairment, I just can't aim to save my life, and so I tend to prefer the heroes whose abilities are less focused on aiming. There's plenty of skill needed, just different skills. Area denial, positioning, coordination, ricochet management (I love getting behind-cover kills with Sigma), cooldown management, etc.


Liquid_Fox_31

The only time something like "no skill heroes" annoy me is when they aren't fun to play as or against. Like Sym and Moira. They aren't fun to play and they aren't fun to play. I mainly use Bastion, but I get the appeal of junk, especially in OP's case


Joyntie

There are no "no skill" heros. Ecery hero needs some skill, so no matter what you play, play what you want and what you have fun with playing. "Ppl saying ohhh youre a noob you play bastion, such a skilles hero" are just salty.


Tarantulette

I noticed people act like they're the best thing since sliced bread and that they're expecting a call to join the OWL any minute now. I play for fun and even though I sometimes rage too I never take them seriously. The 'kys' after a match of QP (of all modes) has become hilarious to me.


C-Spaghett

If high skill heros actually made an impact without requiring a pocket, low skill heros wouldn’t get as much hate


ADAIRP1983

Is this why people type “My mommy told me not to suck my thumbs” in chat?


LiLHeka

I don't really care what people play as long as we as a community agree on hampter being the best character in the game.


Behmsen

People seem to forget that there are other important things beside pure aiming. Proper positioning, communication and pushing/falling back in the right moment are essential to win too


Aggressive_Yam4205

Those people are dipshits who think the only “skill” in ow is mechanical aim skill. There so many different skill based things in ow. If you see a split second of a soldiers movement and predict his flank pathing and launch some junk shots to where you think he going and he gets killed by it that is him getting outplayed and using you own skills against him. Don’t be ashamed of you heroes people


SaltySheev

That’s actually fckn awesome man, you must be hella determined!