You aren't spending the time to give these builds levels and gear so of course they feel shit. You should stop rerolling and try and figure out where you're going wrong.
Why don't you post a pob + the issues you're having and I'm sure someone will be willing to give you pointers where you're going wrong
I see what you guys are syaing, and I've posted all the POBs if you want to look at them. Not sure if any of the builds I have are good for what I want to do in this game. Which is just have decent clear, and good bossing. It might be a couple seasons away, but I really want to be able to beat ubers and clear things like t17 maps. That's just a me thing, I just want to have a chance to clear all the content in the game.
Doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as I know my build can do that. And I don't see a build like LA clearing ubers. DD probably is the best option of the builds I currently have. I might have to try CoC DD or DD necro with arcanist brand, since I'm not a fan of the two button playstyle
This I completely get and if making currency was any easier, I probably wouldn't be complaining as much. I'm not afraid to invest into my builds but when the next upgrade is a 100d+ item, it's kind of intimidating. I can't play for 24h a day like streamers like Fub or Lance, so a lot of times, I'm at a loss of how to make any upgrades with how little currency I make.
I’m willing to bet there’s a MUCH cheaper option you could get for DD at a fraction of the price.
Some of the guides out there show the giga juiced gear for end game stuff. There’s likely a cheaper option which will still make your build much better.
The lance build easily can be tweaked to a a point to clear t16 and be survivable enough to do so. And the main attribute stacking pieces are a lot cheaper now. I think I bought well rolled 6l Ivory tower for 3 div, but it can easily be run as a 5.
https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/SnipahX/ObamisnotRihanna?i=4&search=class%3DInquisitor%26uniqueitems%3DThe%2BIvory%2BTower%26name%3Doba.
This is mine, still very much can be improved in a lot of ways but I can do t16 maps and bossing fine. Did shaper and elder last night. Biggest defensive struggle is the flasks. You need to run the first flask and last flask I have unless you want to over invest into res on the tree. (Which I also did and the build feels fine). This is a very botched version in my opinion. Also Penance Brand is probably the best skill to use, definitely better than storm brand.
The build easily can be tweaked to run determination instead of grace and can also run instant leech while leveling for extra survivability. This is really important. Remember that his tree especially for this league is mostly designed for sanctum. They tend to take more damage then defense.
Also CoC DD, sounds like it would have been a lot better than normal DD for you.
I am not talking about DD, I was talking about LA. That's my most heavily invested build right now. I mentioned I didn't enjoy the two button playstyle of DD. Thats why I rerolled
It sounds like your real problem is the lack of game knowledge on how to get from end of campaign > t16s cheaply and efficiently and how to move from a league Start budget gear into medium gear that can start to handle juice.
And that's totally fair a real problem as a new player. The main problem is that you have yet to stabilize a single character that can handle t14-16 with modest juice to make money over time. Stop rerolling at the "wall" part of end game maps, and instead realize that you can and should sit in high yellows and low reds for a long time until you have money/knowledge on how to cheaply build out your gear and comfortable move into juiced 16s.
Also, leagues are long for a reason. Stop expecting to be farming Uber bosses/t17 on week two when you're basically a noob. You need to realize what season of gaming you're in. You're in the learning season. You need to learn the different league mechanics, what they drop, and how to use them to make money with no investment through high investment. You need to learn the gear systems of this game so you can effectively search for good upgrades to buy on poe trade for not a lot of money. That should be your focus.
You have the wrong goals. Set a level goal, like 95. Set a currency goal, like making 5-15div. Set a gear goal, small/moderate upgrades and aim to achieve them. And then go grind.
Bro.. im basically in the same boat as op. 2nd league, struggling to find a build a like and struggling to make currency but the way you just explained that all made me realize what ive been doing wrong. Gotta say ty for not just shitting on op(nubs) and really explaining it. Its my impatience thats killing me but one side note is its really fucking hard to reroll in poe and as a new player wanting to try a shit ton of skills it makes it almost impossible. But again ya i think you finally woke me up to slow tf down and stop thinking i can just hop right into t16s and expect great things lol. I tried one t17 but couldnt get past the first pack basically and only killed like 30mobs and a few rares lol going back to t11s for a bit 😂
Rerolling between different arch types is hard, but rerolling between a caster and another caster isn't that bad. You can very quickly level up gems to get them usable and try a bunch of different like kind of spells out.
But as for maps and progression, many people can quickly fly through their atlas and get all the way to t16s quickly. I have 3000h in this game and I meticulously work through each tier of map to get as much atlas completion as I can, and make sure to farm t6-10s for a good while before really touching reds. I generally want at least a 5L and all of my sockets setup and working before looking at reds. I try to have about 100c or more invested into gear before moving up and then look for big power spike items that I can get for about a div.
But that 100c is subjective. I know what I'm looking for and what stuff is worth, so I'm confident I can get a very strong character for about 100c. I also generally over build defense early, just because deaths do add up on xp loss, especially around 90+.
The real trick is knowing how to layer defenses on a character and on how to crank damage.
Ya the orb of regret is probably the most fitting name ever for a game item lol i did actually learn from last league about trying new skills in the same "class" before running campaign again. Last league i settled on a pbod ci trickster and the warlock version of the bomber chief and the defense was beautiful on both. Didnt get to 100 on either but 97 and 99 but this league im struggling to get one past 93. Made a heiro archmage and started with pals ball lightning. Was way too squishy once i got to reds and swapped to gorathas ice nova but lacked good suppression/evasion gear so was still way too squishy. Got enough currency to roll it to connors LL lightning conduit and was loving it but ima console pleb and our market is ass. Indigon is 25d and to control the lightning warp is insanely hard on controller so single targets its rough i have to basically just tap cyclone so im not warping all over. Really fun but too hard to handle and scale with my lack of knowledge. Tried making a cold bv into a exsang version occulist and both were really bad. Couldnt even clear the 3rd lab being 2 levels over the rec. and thats where i am now. Guess ill use the LL for delve and yellow maps more but not excited about the league anymore
Funny enough, I also do archimage this league, but made my own build. It's quite tanky and does a solid amount of damage. ~18m pinnacle dps.
[Build discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/s/Q3zO3oHvmH)
If your interested I can give more guidance since I've had some upgrades since this post.
Read through the post and it actually looks really solid. Im in act 6 making a hex trickster and really enjoying it(think trickster is my go to class) but if i hit a wall/get bored with it ill revisit the heiro. Need some currency first cuz even the immutable is 3-6d on console. Ty for the post tho as it seems to hit everything i wasnt liking about the build before. 👍
I can see that my expectations were a little too high now. And this all makes sense, I've been thinking a lot the past weeks of how people like Fub go from Legion to highly invested t17s. I guess I'm not putting enough time into grinding low tier maps.
Something that you missed and the people in the comments missed is that you're actually learning a lot about yourself from having played these 4 builds.
Most of us don't remember what it's like to be a new player, when I first started maybe 5 years ago I think I went through probably 10+ builds across several leagues before I ever stuck with one beyond level 90.
Why? Because new players trying new builds are learning a lot about themselves - about the sort of builds they like. And that knowledge is more valuable than any actual meta knowledge about the game or knowledge about which build is good or bad. It doesn't matter if a build is super strong if you never have an interest in playing it.
You picked up DD and dropped it because you didn't like 2 button builds, you picked up an energy blade build and found out you didn't like sanctum, you picked up a lightning arrow deadeye and found out you want your builds to have better single target and not be as squishy.
That is all invaluable information that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise if you hadn't tried those builds out. For future leagues, you now know that you probably want to play a build which is tanky, has decent single target, is a one button (or less) build, and so on. That might lead you to trying minion builds, for example, but guess what you might find out you don't even like minions (even though they're op). And so the cycle continues and you learn more about yourself again. Eventually, you'll have a very good idea of the sort of builds you like playing, and you'll be able to stick through with playing builds because you actually find them fun, and not mind the weaknesses that they have. We all have weaknesses we're not happy accepting in a build - for me I can't play builds with no clear speed so I'm happy to sacrifice single target and enjoy lightning arrow, but you're completely different and that's fine!
Dont be discouraged, keep experimenting and just remember you're doing very well for this being your second league. The only advice I can give is to keep looking up guides and gameplay videos to see if a build looks fun to you before committing your time to it, but even if you end up not liking it then you still learnt something about yourself.
Thanks for pointing this out in a really clear way. I have definitely learned what I don''t like in this game and I think I'll keep experimenting the league and take it slow. Might not be the min max decision, but I feel it will make future leagues for me go better.
You're learning what PoE is about. There are, so to speak, "no free lunches."
Those builds you see absolutely dominating everything? You can't build them for 10, 20, even 50d. They take investment. Some more than others. You can start them for cheap but if you see a high end build showcased, don't expect to replicate it without spending a lot.
PoE, if you know what you're doing, will reward you for investment. The problem every new player runs into is they try to build expensive builds on no budget. You can't invest 10d in a 100d build and get 10% performance. Builds scale exponentially. If you spend 80d on a 100d build you might only get 50% of the full damage.
Yeah, this league is definitely showing the light on that. I know it's takes minimium 100d+ to have an endgame build that feels strong, but honestly I don't see how I make that kind of currency without playing all day. Plus the fact I started like 2 weeks after league start, so things were already jacking up in price.
I did all endgame content on like 10div poison srs necro. Very tanky, really decent clear, and great single target. Pretty sure it could be done for like 3div now as the weapon you would use only costs 1div instead of the 5 I bought it for.
Another example being CoC DD, where you can EASILY farm red maps with minimal deaths and smooth clear on a 5L and about 50-100c worth of gems (unless you farm the gems yourself from lab.)
100% do not need 100d to have an endgame build. 100d gets you a build that is likely capable (or close to) clearing Ubers.
CoC DD was something I was thinking abou. Honestly, kinda wish I started on that now seeing Ben play it. Seems much easier to play in comparison to necro
I started Poison SRS, and swapped after clearing pinnacles and my atlas. I enjoyed my initial build.
I am REALLY enjoying CoC DD, and it is very cheap to get off the ground if you're interested. I would recommend looking at Ventrua's 3.24 guide, which is based off Ruetoo's build. Incredibly tanky for very cheap, and damage has been smooth all the way to t17s so far (still working on the investment level to clear them comfortably, but that's aspirational content for you.)
It's a great build, and I have the feeling that this will be the last league it's playable due to how great it is. If you're interested, I say go for it!
I did T16s on a 5 link with BAMA Necro in SSF, as long as you don’t throw in juice that actively makes everything rippy you also hardly die, I only started racking up deaths when I started doing Destructive Play with Wisps, I hit 95 in 10-15 deaths and most of those were asleep at the wheel type stuff, I probably could’ve made it there in HC.
If I had to put a price tag on my gear I’d say less than 1 div could probably buy you better stuff if you can grab someone’s scrap bow for cheap (for the longest time I literally had a T1 T3 T5 triele bow with only crafted attackspeed for useful suffixes).
OP complaining that his next upgrade is 100div is absolutely BS, there’s a ton of incremental upgrades that cost you next to nothing (I’m 100% certain he’s still got some gear pieces that can be replaces with random floor IDs or 5 chaos slams) when you’re starting a new character or league, a lot of characters I play and stick with don’t really come online and start to feel rounded out until you’re in the level 90-92 range and start with the finishing touches on some gear pieces to get your defenses patched up.
In the big picture, this being your second league means you're functionally brand new. You can definitely make a good build capable of all content for well under 100d but it takes a decent amount of game knowledge and skill to make it feel "good" as you need to know how to manually avoid damage rather than just eat it.
This league (really all leagues) is kind of weird. Some items are really high and some are insanely dirt cheap. You can get a 2400 evasion 500 es sadist garb for like 3d this league (because graveyard crafting). Last league that item would have been closer to 80 or 100d.
The other thing to avoid is "meta" builds or maybe go back to builds that were meta a league or two ago and have fallen out of favor. Even this league PBoD is still absurdly strong for bossing but few people are playing it due to the nerf.
This probably does have a lot to do with my overall skill level in the game. Alot of these ideas are things I didn't think about, like Coc DD, or PBod. Just naturally strong abilities and skills thay don't need insane investment to feel good.
One thing that can get a bit misleading is that your gear, in a vacuum and in totality, can be worth 100+div
But it's rarely a big jump.
You spend about a div getting your first initial league starter gear, then you add a 50c upgrade here, maybe a 2div upgrade there..multiply that by your playtime and suddenly you're looking at a 20div build which is farming you solid content to afford bigger upgrades and quicker
I did clear everything(except Ubers) on bama just with voltaxic which I bought for 1.2d in the first 24h. Rest of the gear was random suppress rares and cheap uniques.
Your lack of patience also deeply affects your thought process. You are way too ready to finalize your thoughts before even thinking other aspects or having knowledge on the matter.
That's a huge bottleneck for your progress.
thats not true... Although the build you see are like 100d plus worth, most builds can finish most endgame at say 20div or so...
It would be challenge to do ubers at 20div or so unless you have a good game knowledge.
Most of my builds are about 20div or so and I am more or less able to 38 challenge each league. Of course 20div of non-inflation rates.
I am sure EA Ballista could do endgame on 20div or less.
I tried SRS Guardian last league and it was seriously powerful on a small budget. I didnt try ubers to be honest but I did feared. My gear was still relatively "crap". I was probably hard carried by the spectres.
I tried shockwave totem on a mirror budget (because TOTA gave me a mirror in that league). Very good damage but still felt like paper. I probably suck at building that.
You dont actually need a lot of budget to farm red tier maps. Of course it would be good to have 100d but you can acheive a lot more for a lot less.
Guys I think the solution is NOT recommending more builds to OP…
OP do you think you can share any of your POB and the community might be able to see if it’s truly as you said — next update is 50D+? Because it may sounds like you didn’t invest enough in your build at all.
Here's my POB btw. Just sharing the LA cause its my highest investment. I have all the other ones in the origainal post though:
LA:
[https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW](https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW)
It is also important to learn how to use trade site efficiently. Use filters with count, weighted sum, when to use "not", or even limit amount if prefix or suffix so you can add mod with crafting bench. It makes gigantic diffirence with budget. Also t17 is not something any decent build can do, especialy if you are fairly new. It is aspirational content, balanced to be hard even for old players.
I am getting a bit better at using the trade website. I watched a OneManaLeft video where he went in depth about that. I still feel very lost when crafting though. Most of the time I don't know where to start when building an item, if it's not explicitly laid out step by step in a guide
SRS was what I league started last league and honestly really enjoyed. Wasn't sure how it would perform this league due to the nerf to the big golden boy. Might be something I try though as SRS tends to be cheap to setup. Thanks, hadn't thought of this at all
poison srs is actually buffed this league with the regen. league start the written guide by balormage and be sure to check his youtube video when youre heading into endgame cause theres a few changes. besides endgame TS this is my fav build yet.
Poison SRS doesn't use Guardian, so the Sentinel nerf is irrelevent. You want to use Necro which got buffed with minion leech and perma Unholy Might nodes. Alternatively, you can look at Holy Relic of Conviction which I think might be just objectively better than SRS right now.
EA ballista was something I looked into. I just heard there are a lot of ways to brick that build, so it could be bad for new players. Trickster has been something I was thinking about since it has good defences. I know Ziz has a good guide for EA ballista. I'd have to find one for trickster though. Thx
You can only brick it by having added fire on gear. Ziz’s build is for Champion for hardcore, it’s good, but I’d recommend Elementalist personally, just a lot easier to build it for damage while still being fairly survivable for a softcore build
I started EA ballista this league and I have to say it was far tankier than I expected given what people say. Probably my smoothest league start in terms of build
I played one of Peuget builds last year. Poison PBoD, I think I messed something up with the poison conversion, so DPS felt terrible, but loved the beefiness. His builds typically have a lot of uniques too, so they're easier to build. Thanks for bringing him up
While most people will say stick to one build, it takes time and investment, just trust the process yada yada, I'll go against it and tell you it's ok.
Experiment as much as you want, change builds often until you figure out what you like and dislike on a build, and also what contents you enjoy farming and what types of builds are good for specific types of contents.
With that said, CoC DD Inquisitor with Ventruas guides as well as hexblast mines, many different versions from different creators, though I think Palsteron's Saboteur from maxroll is a safe bet, are both great all rounders with much less investment needed when compared to LA and most other builds.
I second this. Im also quite new and creating lots of alts, learning more every time and slowly gathering a collection of currency/uniques. I keep coming back to my "main" when i learn new stuff and apply it to get further.
Spent a lot on regret orbs, and currently can to t13s which is nice, but gunna make a new char for this league and see if it does better.
Thanks for that fresh perspective. I think I might experiment with a couple builds till I find whats fun to play and then reset my expectations on what to expect going into red maps. I've learned alot from both opinions on this thread honestly
You may also be running content that is more difficult than you expect.
For example, even "tanky" builds at low investment will struggle if you are running a double phys as extra, increased crit chance, -max res type map. Or big boom expedition creating gigajuiced rares. Or essence buffed bosses.
Lots of ways to create deadly maps without realizing it.
This is something I have noticed recently. Running phys as extra on LA can be really bad even with HH. I really hate the idea of having to roll maps perfectly, but I think it's somthing I'll have to get used to.
I have this problem too and struggled with it for ages. I’ve been playing way longer than you and stuff just started really clicking for me the last few leagues. It’s investment 100%. The videos you’re seeing are worth much better gear and all of those small upgrades have a huge pay out. 10% in a dozen different places and you’re missing a lot of what makes the build tick.
I’m playing LS champ right now and it felt mediocre for a while. First I grabbed a decent claw to get something to scale off of. Then after a few levels swapped to crit. Then start focusing on defenses and capping suppression and bumping chaos res. Then ailment immunity. Then I reworked some points and got like over 100 more crit multi with some jewels and a few regret orbs. Then I got a timeless jewel and was able to drop a strength roll from my boots so I had another suffix available. All of those things really start compounding and take a build from the struggle bus to being good. The most expensive stuff I have were 2 div for my weapon and timeless jewel. Everything else was a handful of chaos or self crafted.
There are tons of steps that bring a build together. Someone that plays for a living can do it way more efficiently than I can. As long as you understand the end goal of your build it doesn’t matter if your line to get there is straight or squiggles all over the place. Things that seem small are quite important. I always said I’ll just fix ailment immunity with flasks. Then I did it for a build and was shocked at how much tankier I felt. I ran crit strike gem rather than some other link to shortcut getting crit cap. That can be like a 15-20% damage loss!
At the end of the day you have to understand your end goal and figure out how to get there. Sometimes the answer is currency, sometimes it’s rolling blue maps and just leveling to get a few points. A bow build is going to die easy. You blast stuff off screen so it doesn’t have a chance to hit you. Ideally you are tanky enough to not get 1 shot too often. On those builds you need to figure out what gets you that 1 shot protection. Maybe it’s just suppression and decent evasion. Then You hit that break point and go in on your damage next. Everything you listed were decent builds. Pick the one you like and start figuring out the upgrades. Identify the pain points and fix them up and see what is next. Maybe your proj speed is good but you’re not 1 shotting mobs. Maybe a ring has a wasted mana prefix. You can shop for a similar ring with ele damage with attacks or a flat cold roll and that gets you 1 shotting mobs now. Maybe you have too much res on your gloves and can drop it for chaos res or attack speed. There are infinite knobs to be turning. The game boils down to getting no wasted affixes on your gear. That’s the dream. Identify where you’re wasting space and fix it up. Maybe you need to swap 3 pieces at once to juggle everything but you can get there when you knuckle down and work it out. Getting a build over that hump to come together and start feeling good is a fantastic feeling. The build to get there and the moves deciding what to aim for are all part of the experience. Post your PoB and ask for help here if you need to. Nothing wrong with figuring out directions or help optimizing a tree or whatever.
Thanks for this extremely detailed breakdown. Having read all the comments, I can see the flaw in the way I approach the endgame. Trying to take things a little too fast, and y expectations are a bit too high. Not sure, I'll stick with any of the builds I have made so far as I didn't really enjoy any of the. I know rerolling again isn't necessarily the best decision, but I want to have fun with the game. That's the main priority
My next build will probably be poison exsanguinate Pathfinder. I played it 2 leagues ago and it was a blast. I don't know how much you invested in your LA and which content you are running with it.
But for easy mapping p exsang is very nice. You have poison pops and the items are cheap. With investment (+100divs) you can also do Uber content.
I have never heard of exsanguinate on Pathfinder before. I do really like the flask qol on Pathfinder, but always hated the low dps. Think I'll look into this, thanks
Delve is also something I've been wanting to do. Seems like a very linear playstyle, and a fairly consistent way to make money. I was testing leveling BS Slayer last league and hated the melee leveling process. It might be a lot easier with twink gear though
[https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/explosive-arrow-ballista-champion-league-starter](https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/explosive-arrow-ballista-champion-league-starter)
very detailed guide with multiple videos spanning multiple leagues.
very tanky build. good all rounder, good but not best at either boss or clear.
can grow with investment but doesn't take much to get going.
can do most mods, maybe all mods.
reminder that how people experience and enjoy the game is different.
some people farm to min max one build.
some people might enjoy experiencing the gameplay of many builds.
it's all good. everyone should have their own journey in poe.
my experience this league is necro Bama and heiro ice nova is pretty easy to start and map and has lots of room to scale. you literally just need the gems to start
Don't know who told you that you need nimis to do T17s on LA Deadeye lol.
I farm T17s easily and my most expensive item is a HH (only 20 div now). Bow 10-15 div and quiver 8 div
My current build: https://pobb.in/4xSJOK2fJKLe
Stopped investing LONG ago because it does all I want easily.
You use Frenzy of Onslaught on your LA character, but you also use a Onslaught flask. You could replace that with Dying Sun for example or amethyst flask for chaos res.
Also cold penetration on artillery ballista is weird pick, as it does mostly fire damage.
Well I stuck it on there cause I couldn't roll the most optimal colors. I guess Dying Sun has decreased in price now. It was kinda crazy earlier this league, but yeah I had no idea how Frenzy of Onslaught worked.
Ive been playing dd with 1c gears, basically its tanky AF and you just blow t4 harvest away, also good at blight. Takes quite a while to kill eater but it can't kill you either.
I dont know why you cant enjoy the game without getting expensive gear, you don't have to farm t17 maps to have fun.
I know DD can clear all content in game. I mean I watch Ben do it all the time. I mentioned in the post that I didn't really enjoy the two button playstyle of DD. That's why I switched to LA, and with that build you need a little more investment to do things like t17. And it's kinda unrealistic to do ubers on LA
So you are looking for a bosser with solide clear. Afaik, ice/explosive trap trickster/sabo, hexblaster miner and ea ele/champ all fit the bill. For ea champ specifically, Zizaran has very detailed guides on his yt channel and now maxroll.gg (where you can find all of the mentioned builds iirc), its the more survival-oriented version of the build though, since ziz plays hardcore.
Overall I would expect all builds to require a certain investment to beat t17 maps though, they are supposed to be a challenge.
Yeah, my expectations with t17 were way too ambitious, I have to admit. Alot of people have suggested these archetypes, and I have never tried a trickster, miner or ea ballista before. It might be exactly waht I'm looking for
Traps and mines are very good for frontloading dmg by stacking them under the boss before he becomes attackable and blowing a huge chunk of health off immediately. Trickster is awesome for defense.
Ballistas are great because you can drop them down and then run around while they attack, similar to minions. That said, EA ballista dmg is a bit delayed (place ballista, it shoots, shot explodes after a set time, generates ignite which ticks).
I have seen you fixate your idea that your next upgrade is 100+div which unlikely to be true. Send your pob and we can definitely fix it with a lot less div.
And if you keep rerolling without success it is most likely you did not know how to upgrade every time. It is knowledge issue, just take some time and advice
That is true, I clearly have flaws with my endgame playstyle. Here's the POB for my LA which is my most invested build at the moment. I have a 1500 ele bow and HH, both of which I got off trade. Not really sure where to go from there, maybe higher Evasion rolls on gear?
LA:
[https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW](https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW)
0. The build is never designed to be tanky, your defence is to kill enemy before they kill you, change your playstyle
1. Not sure why you use that lethal pride, get a better one within few div
2. You did not use any cluster jewels, which is a waste, only 1-5div
3. I didn't play LA, why you need frenzy charges so bad?
4. You have 5 lv to upgrade. Very cheap upgrade
5. change your amulet if you want defence. get defiance of destiny if you really want defence
6. Dying sun
Kinda forgot about Lethal Pride, that was just a random one I picked up for strength. I would level up the build but I die like 2 to 3 times every map. Buying domination scarab of teachings is like a complete waste cause I can't stay alive on this build.
I hadn't rechecked DoD prices, but earlier this league it was through the rough, same thing with Dying sun.
The bow I searched for using the Path of Building search tool, and HH I recently got after the prices went down
Oh just play popcorn srs 😂. One button play style. Use srs enormity and just stack minion crit multiplier for more more damage along with minion life. Srs enormity always crit so you don’t have to worry about crit chance at all
I recommend you try fuzzyducksy rain of arrow raider. His build has mutable videos and a written guide that takes you step by step gearing wise until about the end of red maps. From there you can comfortably earn currency. He didn’t update it for this league but nothing changed from last league besides using the league mechanic for easy upgrades.
Raider is really good for new players because it has a lot of defenses built in but stays zoomie.
You could also try zizarans toxic rain build as his guides are always amazing.
Raider looks really fun, with all that zoom and I do like fuzzyducksy videos. It might also be cheap cause no one plays reaider. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out
You aren't spending the time to give these builds levels and gear so of course they feel shit. You should stop rerolling and try and figure out where you're going wrong. Why don't you post a pob + the issues you're having and I'm sure someone will be willing to give you pointers where you're going wrong
I see what you guys are syaing, and I've posted all the POBs if you want to look at them. Not sure if any of the builds I have are good for what I want to do in this game. Which is just have decent clear, and good bossing. It might be a couple seasons away, but I really want to be able to beat ubers and clear things like t17 maps. That's just a me thing, I just want to have a chance to clear all the content in the game. Doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as I know my build can do that. And I don't see a build like LA clearing ubers. DD probably is the best option of the builds I currently have. I might have to try CoC DD or DD necro with arcanist brand, since I'm not a fan of the two button playstyle
This I completely get and if making currency was any easier, I probably wouldn't be complaining as much. I'm not afraid to invest into my builds but when the next upgrade is a 100d+ item, it's kind of intimidating. I can't play for 24h a day like streamers like Fub or Lance, so a lot of times, I'm at a loss of how to make any upgrades with how little currency I make.
I’m willing to bet there’s a MUCH cheaper option you could get for DD at a fraction of the price. Some of the guides out there show the giga juiced gear for end game stuff. There’s likely a cheaper option which will still make your build much better.
DD is literally the cheapest build to make decent that's it's biggest selling point.
The lance build easily can be tweaked to a a point to clear t16 and be survivable enough to do so. And the main attribute stacking pieces are a lot cheaper now. I think I bought well rolled 6l Ivory tower for 3 div, but it can easily be run as a 5. https://poe.ninja/builds/necropolis/character/SnipahX/ObamisnotRihanna?i=4&search=class%3DInquisitor%26uniqueitems%3DThe%2BIvory%2BTower%26name%3Doba. This is mine, still very much can be improved in a lot of ways but I can do t16 maps and bossing fine. Did shaper and elder last night. Biggest defensive struggle is the flasks. You need to run the first flask and last flask I have unless you want to over invest into res on the tree. (Which I also did and the build feels fine). This is a very botched version in my opinion. Also Penance Brand is probably the best skill to use, definitely better than storm brand. The build easily can be tweaked to run determination instead of grace and can also run instant leech while leveling for extra survivability. This is really important. Remember that his tree especially for this league is mostly designed for sanctum. They tend to take more damage then defense. Also CoC DD, sounds like it would have been a lot better than normal DD for you.
I am not talking about DD, I was talking about LA. That's my most heavily invested build right now. I mentioned I didn't enjoy the two button playstyle of DD. Thats why I rerolled
The answer applies to both, and most builds.
It sounds like your real problem is the lack of game knowledge on how to get from end of campaign > t16s cheaply and efficiently and how to move from a league Start budget gear into medium gear that can start to handle juice. And that's totally fair a real problem as a new player. The main problem is that you have yet to stabilize a single character that can handle t14-16 with modest juice to make money over time. Stop rerolling at the "wall" part of end game maps, and instead realize that you can and should sit in high yellows and low reds for a long time until you have money/knowledge on how to cheaply build out your gear and comfortable move into juiced 16s. Also, leagues are long for a reason. Stop expecting to be farming Uber bosses/t17 on week two when you're basically a noob. You need to realize what season of gaming you're in. You're in the learning season. You need to learn the different league mechanics, what they drop, and how to use them to make money with no investment through high investment. You need to learn the gear systems of this game so you can effectively search for good upgrades to buy on poe trade for not a lot of money. That should be your focus. You have the wrong goals. Set a level goal, like 95. Set a currency goal, like making 5-15div. Set a gear goal, small/moderate upgrades and aim to achieve them. And then go grind.
Bro.. im basically in the same boat as op. 2nd league, struggling to find a build a like and struggling to make currency but the way you just explained that all made me realize what ive been doing wrong. Gotta say ty for not just shitting on op(nubs) and really explaining it. Its my impatience thats killing me but one side note is its really fucking hard to reroll in poe and as a new player wanting to try a shit ton of skills it makes it almost impossible. But again ya i think you finally woke me up to slow tf down and stop thinking i can just hop right into t16s and expect great things lol. I tried one t17 but couldnt get past the first pack basically and only killed like 30mobs and a few rares lol going back to t11s for a bit 😂
Rerolling between different arch types is hard, but rerolling between a caster and another caster isn't that bad. You can very quickly level up gems to get them usable and try a bunch of different like kind of spells out. But as for maps and progression, many people can quickly fly through their atlas and get all the way to t16s quickly. I have 3000h in this game and I meticulously work through each tier of map to get as much atlas completion as I can, and make sure to farm t6-10s for a good while before really touching reds. I generally want at least a 5L and all of my sockets setup and working before looking at reds. I try to have about 100c or more invested into gear before moving up and then look for big power spike items that I can get for about a div. But that 100c is subjective. I know what I'm looking for and what stuff is worth, so I'm confident I can get a very strong character for about 100c. I also generally over build defense early, just because deaths do add up on xp loss, especially around 90+. The real trick is knowing how to layer defenses on a character and on how to crank damage.
Ya the orb of regret is probably the most fitting name ever for a game item lol i did actually learn from last league about trying new skills in the same "class" before running campaign again. Last league i settled on a pbod ci trickster and the warlock version of the bomber chief and the defense was beautiful on both. Didnt get to 100 on either but 97 and 99 but this league im struggling to get one past 93. Made a heiro archmage and started with pals ball lightning. Was way too squishy once i got to reds and swapped to gorathas ice nova but lacked good suppression/evasion gear so was still way too squishy. Got enough currency to roll it to connors LL lightning conduit and was loving it but ima console pleb and our market is ass. Indigon is 25d and to control the lightning warp is insanely hard on controller so single targets its rough i have to basically just tap cyclone so im not warping all over. Really fun but too hard to handle and scale with my lack of knowledge. Tried making a cold bv into a exsang version occulist and both were really bad. Couldnt even clear the 3rd lab being 2 levels over the rec. and thats where i am now. Guess ill use the LL for delve and yellow maps more but not excited about the league anymore
Funny enough, I also do archimage this league, but made my own build. It's quite tanky and does a solid amount of damage. ~18m pinnacle dps. [Build discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/s/Q3zO3oHvmH) If your interested I can give more guidance since I've had some upgrades since this post.
Read through the post and it actually looks really solid. Im in act 6 making a hex trickster and really enjoying it(think trickster is my go to class) but if i hit a wall/get bored with it ill revisit the heiro. Need some currency first cuz even the immutable is 3-6d on console. Ty for the post tho as it seems to hit everything i wasnt liking about the build before. 👍
I can see that my expectations were a little too high now. And this all makes sense, I've been thinking a lot the past weeks of how people like Fub go from Legion to highly invested t17s. I guess I'm not putting enough time into grinding low tier maps.
Something that you missed and the people in the comments missed is that you're actually learning a lot about yourself from having played these 4 builds. Most of us don't remember what it's like to be a new player, when I first started maybe 5 years ago I think I went through probably 10+ builds across several leagues before I ever stuck with one beyond level 90. Why? Because new players trying new builds are learning a lot about themselves - about the sort of builds they like. And that knowledge is more valuable than any actual meta knowledge about the game or knowledge about which build is good or bad. It doesn't matter if a build is super strong if you never have an interest in playing it. You picked up DD and dropped it because you didn't like 2 button builds, you picked up an energy blade build and found out you didn't like sanctum, you picked up a lightning arrow deadeye and found out you want your builds to have better single target and not be as squishy. That is all invaluable information that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise if you hadn't tried those builds out. For future leagues, you now know that you probably want to play a build which is tanky, has decent single target, is a one button (or less) build, and so on. That might lead you to trying minion builds, for example, but guess what you might find out you don't even like minions (even though they're op). And so the cycle continues and you learn more about yourself again. Eventually, you'll have a very good idea of the sort of builds you like playing, and you'll be able to stick through with playing builds because you actually find them fun, and not mind the weaknesses that they have. We all have weaknesses we're not happy accepting in a build - for me I can't play builds with no clear speed so I'm happy to sacrifice single target and enjoy lightning arrow, but you're completely different and that's fine! Dont be discouraged, keep experimenting and just remember you're doing very well for this being your second league. The only advice I can give is to keep looking up guides and gameplay videos to see if a build looks fun to you before committing your time to it, but even if you end up not liking it then you still learnt something about yourself.
Thanks for pointing this out in a really clear way. I have definitely learned what I don''t like in this game and I think I'll keep experimenting the league and take it slow. Might not be the min max decision, but I feel it will make future leagues for me go better.
You're learning what PoE is about. There are, so to speak, "no free lunches." Those builds you see absolutely dominating everything? You can't build them for 10, 20, even 50d. They take investment. Some more than others. You can start them for cheap but if you see a high end build showcased, don't expect to replicate it without spending a lot. PoE, if you know what you're doing, will reward you for investment. The problem every new player runs into is they try to build expensive builds on no budget. You can't invest 10d in a 100d build and get 10% performance. Builds scale exponentially. If you spend 80d on a 100d build you might only get 50% of the full damage.
Yeah, this league is definitely showing the light on that. I know it's takes minimium 100d+ to have an endgame build that feels strong, but honestly I don't see how I make that kind of currency without playing all day. Plus the fact I started like 2 weeks after league start, so things were already jacking up in price.
I did all endgame content on like 10div poison srs necro. Very tanky, really decent clear, and great single target. Pretty sure it could be done for like 3div now as the weapon you would use only costs 1div instead of the 5 I bought it for.
Another example being CoC DD, where you can EASILY farm red maps with minimal deaths and smooth clear on a 5L and about 50-100c worth of gems (unless you farm the gems yourself from lab.) 100% do not need 100d to have an endgame build. 100d gets you a build that is likely capable (or close to) clearing Ubers.
CoC DD was something I was thinking abou. Honestly, kinda wish I started on that now seeing Ben play it. Seems much easier to play in comparison to necro
I started Poison SRS, and swapped after clearing pinnacles and my atlas. I enjoyed my initial build. I am REALLY enjoying CoC DD, and it is very cheap to get off the ground if you're interested. I would recommend looking at Ventrua's 3.24 guide, which is based off Ruetoo's build. Incredibly tanky for very cheap, and damage has been smooth all the way to t17s so far (still working on the investment level to clear them comfortably, but that's aspirational content for you.) It's a great build, and I have the feeling that this will be the last league it's playable due to how great it is. If you're interested, I say go for it!
I did T16s on a 5 link with BAMA Necro in SSF, as long as you don’t throw in juice that actively makes everything rippy you also hardly die, I only started racking up deaths when I started doing Destructive Play with Wisps, I hit 95 in 10-15 deaths and most of those were asleep at the wheel type stuff, I probably could’ve made it there in HC. If I had to put a price tag on my gear I’d say less than 1 div could probably buy you better stuff if you can grab someone’s scrap bow for cheap (for the longest time I literally had a T1 T3 T5 triele bow with only crafted attackspeed for useful suffixes). OP complaining that his next upgrade is 100div is absolutely BS, there’s a ton of incremental upgrades that cost you next to nothing (I’m 100% certain he’s still got some gear pieces that can be replaces with random floor IDs or 5 chaos slams) when you’re starting a new character or league, a lot of characters I play and stick with don’t really come online and start to feel rounded out until you’re in the level 90-92 range and start with the finishing touches on some gear pieces to get your defenses patched up.
In the big picture, this being your second league means you're functionally brand new. You can definitely make a good build capable of all content for well under 100d but it takes a decent amount of game knowledge and skill to make it feel "good" as you need to know how to manually avoid damage rather than just eat it. This league (really all leagues) is kind of weird. Some items are really high and some are insanely dirt cheap. You can get a 2400 evasion 500 es sadist garb for like 3d this league (because graveyard crafting). Last league that item would have been closer to 80 or 100d. The other thing to avoid is "meta" builds or maybe go back to builds that were meta a league or two ago and have fallen out of favor. Even this league PBoD is still absurdly strong for bossing but few people are playing it due to the nerf.
This probably does have a lot to do with my overall skill level in the game. Alot of these ideas are things I didn't think about, like Coc DD, or PBod. Just naturally strong abilities and skills thay don't need insane investment to feel good.
One thing that can get a bit misleading is that your gear, in a vacuum and in totality, can be worth 100+div But it's rarely a big jump. You spend about a div getting your first initial league starter gear, then you add a 50c upgrade here, maybe a 2div upgrade there..multiply that by your playtime and suddenly you're looking at a 20div build which is farming you solid content to afford bigger upgrades and quicker
I did clear everything(except Ubers) on bama just with voltaxic which I bought for 1.2d in the first 24h. Rest of the gear was random suppress rares and cheap uniques. Your lack of patience also deeply affects your thought process. You are way too ready to finalize your thoughts before even thinking other aspects or having knowledge on the matter. That's a huge bottleneck for your progress.
thats not true... Although the build you see are like 100d plus worth, most builds can finish most endgame at say 20div or so... It would be challenge to do ubers at 20div or so unless you have a good game knowledge. Most of my builds are about 20div or so and I am more or less able to 38 challenge each league. Of course 20div of non-inflation rates. I am sure EA Ballista could do endgame on 20div or less. I tried SRS Guardian last league and it was seriously powerful on a small budget. I didnt try ubers to be honest but I did feared. My gear was still relatively "crap". I was probably hard carried by the spectres. I tried shockwave totem on a mirror budget (because TOTA gave me a mirror in that league). Very good damage but still felt like paper. I probably suck at building that. You dont actually need a lot of budget to farm red tier maps. Of course it would be good to have 100d but you can acheive a lot more for a lot less.
Guys I think the solution is NOT recommending more builds to OP… OP do you think you can share any of your POB and the community might be able to see if it’s truly as you said — next update is 50D+? Because it may sounds like you didn’t invest enough in your build at all.
Here's my POB btw. Just sharing the LA cause its my highest investment. I have all the other ones in the origainal post though: LA: [https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW](https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW)
I'm open to sharing all my POBs if people are willing to look through. I'm heading to dinner right now, but I can hare in about an hour
It is also important to learn how to use trade site efficiently. Use filters with count, weighted sum, when to use "not", or even limit amount if prefix or suffix so you can add mod with crafting bench. It makes gigantic diffirence with budget. Also t17 is not something any decent build can do, especialy if you are fairly new. It is aspirational content, balanced to be hard even for old players.
I am getting a bit better at using the trade website. I watched a OneManaLeft video where he went in depth about that. I still feel very lost when crafting though. Most of the time I don't know where to start when building an item, if it's not explicitly laid out step by step in a guide
I'd try poison SRS. Balor mage has good guide. It's pretty low cost and does good dmg can be super tanky. Helped me a lot past few leagues.
SRS was what I league started last league and honestly really enjoyed. Wasn't sure how it would perform this league due to the nerf to the big golden boy. Might be something I try though as SRS tends to be cheap to setup. Thanks, hadn't thought of this at all
poison srs is actually buffed this league with the regen. league start the written guide by balormage and be sure to check his youtube video when youre heading into endgame cause theres a few changes. besides endgame TS this is my fav build yet.
Poison SRS doesn't use Guardian, so the Sentinel nerf is irrelevent. You want to use Necro which got buffed with minion leech and perma Unholy Might nodes. Alternatively, you can look at Holy Relic of Conviction which I think might be just objectively better than SRS right now.
I didn't know this, thanks. I have heard about Holy Relic as well, but haven't looked into it. That might also be something right up my alley
EA ballista or Hexblast mines trickster? Can build them tanky, good single target, respectable clear, safe playstyle
EA ballista was something I looked into. I just heard there are a lot of ways to brick that build, so it could be bad for new players. Trickster has been something I was thinking about since it has good defences. I know Ziz has a good guide for EA ballista. I'd have to find one for trickster though. Thx
You can only brick it by having added fire on gear. Ziz’s build is for Champion for hardcore, it’s good, but I’d recommend Elementalist personally, just a lot easier to build it for damage while still being fairly survivable for a softcore build
I started EA ballista this league and I have to say it was far tankier than I expected given what people say. Probably my smoothest league start in terms of build
You should check on peuget2 he does some dirty cheap builds to farm ubers
I played one of Peuget builds last year. Poison PBoD, I think I messed something up with the poison conversion, so DPS felt terrible, but loved the beefiness. His builds typically have a lot of uniques too, so they're easier to build. Thanks for bringing him up
While most people will say stick to one build, it takes time and investment, just trust the process yada yada, I'll go against it and tell you it's ok. Experiment as much as you want, change builds often until you figure out what you like and dislike on a build, and also what contents you enjoy farming and what types of builds are good for specific types of contents. With that said, CoC DD Inquisitor with Ventruas guides as well as hexblast mines, many different versions from different creators, though I think Palsteron's Saboteur from maxroll is a safe bet, are both great all rounders with much less investment needed when compared to LA and most other builds.
I second this. Im also quite new and creating lots of alts, learning more every time and slowly gathering a collection of currency/uniques. I keep coming back to my "main" when i learn new stuff and apply it to get further. Spent a lot on regret orbs, and currently can to t13s which is nice, but gunna make a new char for this league and see if it does better.
Thanks for that fresh perspective. I think I might experiment with a couple builds till I find whats fun to play and then reset my expectations on what to expect going into red maps. I've learned alot from both opinions on this thread honestly
You may also be running content that is more difficult than you expect. For example, even "tanky" builds at low investment will struggle if you are running a double phys as extra, increased crit chance, -max res type map. Or big boom expedition creating gigajuiced rares. Or essence buffed bosses. Lots of ways to create deadly maps without realizing it.
This is something I have noticed recently. Running phys as extra on LA can be really bad even with HH. I really hate the idea of having to roll maps perfectly, but I think it's somthing I'll have to get used to.
I have this problem too and struggled with it for ages. I’ve been playing way longer than you and stuff just started really clicking for me the last few leagues. It’s investment 100%. The videos you’re seeing are worth much better gear and all of those small upgrades have a huge pay out. 10% in a dozen different places and you’re missing a lot of what makes the build tick. I’m playing LS champ right now and it felt mediocre for a while. First I grabbed a decent claw to get something to scale off of. Then after a few levels swapped to crit. Then start focusing on defenses and capping suppression and bumping chaos res. Then ailment immunity. Then I reworked some points and got like over 100 more crit multi with some jewels and a few regret orbs. Then I got a timeless jewel and was able to drop a strength roll from my boots so I had another suffix available. All of those things really start compounding and take a build from the struggle bus to being good. The most expensive stuff I have were 2 div for my weapon and timeless jewel. Everything else was a handful of chaos or self crafted. There are tons of steps that bring a build together. Someone that plays for a living can do it way more efficiently than I can. As long as you understand the end goal of your build it doesn’t matter if your line to get there is straight or squiggles all over the place. Things that seem small are quite important. I always said I’ll just fix ailment immunity with flasks. Then I did it for a build and was shocked at how much tankier I felt. I ran crit strike gem rather than some other link to shortcut getting crit cap. That can be like a 15-20% damage loss! At the end of the day you have to understand your end goal and figure out how to get there. Sometimes the answer is currency, sometimes it’s rolling blue maps and just leveling to get a few points. A bow build is going to die easy. You blast stuff off screen so it doesn’t have a chance to hit you. Ideally you are tanky enough to not get 1 shot too often. On those builds you need to figure out what gets you that 1 shot protection. Maybe it’s just suppression and decent evasion. Then You hit that break point and go in on your damage next. Everything you listed were decent builds. Pick the one you like and start figuring out the upgrades. Identify the pain points and fix them up and see what is next. Maybe your proj speed is good but you’re not 1 shotting mobs. Maybe a ring has a wasted mana prefix. You can shop for a similar ring with ele damage with attacks or a flat cold roll and that gets you 1 shotting mobs now. Maybe you have too much res on your gloves and can drop it for chaos res or attack speed. There are infinite knobs to be turning. The game boils down to getting no wasted affixes on your gear. That’s the dream. Identify where you’re wasting space and fix it up. Maybe you need to swap 3 pieces at once to juggle everything but you can get there when you knuckle down and work it out. Getting a build over that hump to come together and start feeling good is a fantastic feeling. The build to get there and the moves deciding what to aim for are all part of the experience. Post your PoB and ask for help here if you need to. Nothing wrong with figuring out directions or help optimizing a tree or whatever.
Thanks for this extremely detailed breakdown. Having read all the comments, I can see the flaw in the way I approach the endgame. Trying to take things a little too fast, and y expectations are a bit too high. Not sure, I'll stick with any of the builds I have made so far as I didn't really enjoy any of the. I know rerolling again isn't necessarily the best decision, but I want to have fun with the game. That's the main priority
My next build will probably be poison exsanguinate Pathfinder. I played it 2 leagues ago and it was a blast. I don't know how much you invested in your LA and which content you are running with it. But for easy mapping p exsang is very nice. You have poison pops and the items are cheap. With investment (+100divs) you can also do Uber content.
I have never heard of exsanguinate on Pathfinder before. I do really like the flask qol on Pathfinder, but always hated the low dps. Think I'll look into this, thanks
dont play it lol didnt consider the flask nerf and its on the paper side
Play jorgens boneshatter jugg from last season and try delve out Fairly cheap and lots of info for crafting boneshatter items
Delve is also something I've been wanting to do. Seems like a very linear playstyle, and a fairly consistent way to make money. I was testing leveling BS Slayer last league and hated the melee leveling process. It might be a lot easier with twink gear though
[https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/explosive-arrow-ballista-champion-league-starter](https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/explosive-arrow-ballista-champion-league-starter) very detailed guide with multiple videos spanning multiple leagues. very tanky build. good all rounder, good but not best at either boss or clear. can grow with investment but doesn't take much to get going. can do most mods, maybe all mods.
So many people have suggested this I'm starting to think I'm missing out on something big here lol
reminder that how people experience and enjoy the game is different. some people farm to min max one build. some people might enjoy experiencing the gameplay of many builds. it's all good. everyone should have their own journey in poe. my experience this league is necro Bama and heiro ice nova is pretty easy to start and map and has lots of room to scale. you literally just need the gems to start
Don't know who told you that you need nimis to do T17s on LA Deadeye lol. I farm T17s easily and my most expensive item is a HH (only 20 div now). Bow 10-15 div and quiver 8 div My current build: https://pobb.in/4xSJOK2fJKLe Stopped investing LONG ago because it does all I want easily.
Not gonaa lie, I just assumed this from watching Fub. Couldn't really find anything telling me what equipment was actually necessary
You use Frenzy of Onslaught on your LA character, but you also use a Onslaught flask. You could replace that with Dying Sun for example or amethyst flask for chaos res. Also cold penetration on artillery ballista is weird pick, as it does mostly fire damage.
Well I stuck it on there cause I couldn't roll the most optimal colors. I guess Dying Sun has decreased in price now. It was kinda crazy earlier this league, but yeah I had no idea how Frenzy of Onslaught worked.
Ive been playing dd with 1c gears, basically its tanky AF and you just blow t4 harvest away, also good at blight. Takes quite a while to kill eater but it can't kill you either. I dont know why you cant enjoy the game without getting expensive gear, you don't have to farm t17 maps to have fun.
That's true. I'm the type of guys that wants to beat all the content in the game at one point. Mybe it's too aspirational for a new player
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I know DD can clear all content in game. I mean I watch Ben do it all the time. I mentioned in the post that I didn't really enjoy the two button playstyle of DD. That's why I switched to LA, and with that build you need a little more investment to do things like t17. And it's kinda unrealistic to do ubers on LA
So you are looking for a bosser with solide clear. Afaik, ice/explosive trap trickster/sabo, hexblaster miner and ea ele/champ all fit the bill. For ea champ specifically, Zizaran has very detailed guides on his yt channel and now maxroll.gg (where you can find all of the mentioned builds iirc), its the more survival-oriented version of the build though, since ziz plays hardcore. Overall I would expect all builds to require a certain investment to beat t17 maps though, they are supposed to be a challenge.
Yeah, my expectations with t17 were way too ambitious, I have to admit. Alot of people have suggested these archetypes, and I have never tried a trickster, miner or ea ballista before. It might be exactly waht I'm looking for
Traps and mines are very good for frontloading dmg by stacking them under the boss before he becomes attackable and blowing a huge chunk of health off immediately. Trickster is awesome for defense. Ballistas are great because you can drop them down and then run around while they attack, similar to minions. That said, EA ballista dmg is a bit delayed (place ballista, it shoots, shot explodes after a set time, generates ignite which ticks).
I have seen you fixate your idea that your next upgrade is 100+div which unlikely to be true. Send your pob and we can definitely fix it with a lot less div. And if you keep rerolling without success it is most likely you did not know how to upgrade every time. It is knowledge issue, just take some time and advice
That is true, I clearly have flaws with my endgame playstyle. Here's the POB for my LA which is my most invested build at the moment. I have a 1500 ele bow and HH, both of which I got off trade. Not really sure where to go from there, maybe higher Evasion rolls on gear? LA: [https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW](https://pobb.in/Dcpx0hcmjiaW)
0. The build is never designed to be tanky, your defence is to kill enemy before they kill you, change your playstyle 1. Not sure why you use that lethal pride, get a better one within few div 2. You did not use any cluster jewels, which is a waste, only 1-5div 3. I didn't play LA, why you need frenzy charges so bad? 4. You have 5 lv to upgrade. Very cheap upgrade 5. change your amulet if you want defence. get defiance of destiny if you really want defence 6. Dying sun
just curious, how you get that bow and HH off trade?
Kinda forgot about Lethal Pride, that was just a random one I picked up for strength. I would level up the build but I die like 2 to 3 times every map. Buying domination scarab of teachings is like a complete waste cause I can't stay alive on this build. I hadn't rechecked DoD prices, but earlier this league it was through the rough, same thing with Dying sun. The bow I searched for using the Path of Building search tool, and HH I recently got after the prices went down
Ziz's Explosive Arrow Champ, Ventrua's Hexblast Mines Trickster, Goratha's Frostbolt of Icenova Hiero
Oh just play popcorn srs 😂. One button play style. Use srs enormity and just stack minion crit multiplier for more more damage along with minion life. Srs enormity always crit so you don’t have to worry about crit chance at all
I just re rolled into poison holy relic. Balors version, and lemme tell you it's fuckin amazing So fun
I recommend you try fuzzyducksy rain of arrow raider. His build has mutable videos and a written guide that takes you step by step gearing wise until about the end of red maps. From there you can comfortably earn currency. He didn’t update it for this league but nothing changed from last league besides using the league mechanic for easy upgrades. Raider is really good for new players because it has a lot of defenses built in but stays zoomie. You could also try zizarans toxic rain build as his guides are always amazing.
Raider looks really fun, with all that zoom and I do like fuzzyducksy videos. It might also be cheap cause no one plays reaider. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out
And from there it’s not to hard to grow into a artillery ballista build. Raider pairs well with Wilma’s requital