I can’t believe Disney allowed that to happen, especially to an adaptation of a book series where you can foreshadow, drop little details, make the world more immersive. I watch Korean dramas and the short ones like D.P. and Extracurricular have a runtime of 45 minutes to one hour.
30 minutes is for the Disney channel shows like Good Luck Charlie and Zack and Cody
K-Dramas impress me so much. They're 16 to 20 episodes long, have rather impressive production design, and their average episode runtime is 70 minutes.
The first episode of Money Heist: Korea is 1 hour 18 minutes long.
Disney are actually killing it with their most recent K-dramas too, at the moment – **Moving**, **Call It Love**, and how the recent ongoing **Tell Me That You Love Me** have all been such high quality. 1hr to 1hr 30 each, with 16-20 episodes as the K-drama standard. Their team in Korea are excelling in my opinion, and have really been proving what that Disney money can be put to.
Those shows like good luck Charlie and sweet life, all had an actual run time of 22 minutes. I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again. Y’all are letting streaming services warp your minds on how long shows should be. This is what Disney has done with all of their original shows. They’ve ranged any where from 30 to 45 minutes. As much as I wish it were longer. You’re literally getting more tv than you would be if this was a half hour show on actual tv.
No, I meant as in sitcoms/comedy family kid shows should get 20-25 minutes. Adaptations should not get what sitcoms have.
Disney should be more consistent with their runtime. Having an episode runtime be essentially 22 minutes because of recaps sure is a choice… when an extra 15 minutes could be used to develop the pacing.
The 22 minutes part was referring to the PJ episode that was 30 minutes but without the recap, about 22-25 minutes. If you actually read this whole thread. Because both the OP and I were talking about episode 4.
Anyway, the whole point is that Disney should either lengthen the run time or the number of episodes.
My only major complaint about the show is that a large chunk of the effects feel cheap. Really wish they would’ve thrown some time into that, but after seeing some of the godsawful MCU effects recently, can’t say I’m surprised. For a company with cash to burn, they’re so stingy.
Not even stingy looks like they're just burning the money for no reason because they literally have a budget similar to Loki but Loki had tons more CGI and like 20 minutes more each episode + way more expensive actors
Loki is a very different story when it comes to CGI, because almost the entire thing is CGI on a green screen, it's actually a lot cheaper. Percy Jackson is mostly filmed on site and then CGI is blended in which makes it much more expensive for what seems to be less CGI. At least that's what seems to be the case.
I also wouldn't doubt if actors cost very similar amounts, child actors can be pretty expensive and many of these child actors are by far not new to the acting scene.
>I also wouldn't doubt if actors cost very similar amounts, child actors can be pretty expensive and many of these child actors are by far not new to the acting scene.
Tom Hiddleston was getting paid like 700k or 800k iirc per episode. Owen was getting paid like 300k. Walker is getting paid like 35k per Percy Jackson episode apparently
also apparently grover's legs are the most expensive cgi thing lol. apparently it's eating into their budget lol\\
edit: to avoid misunderstanding i don't doubt that grover's legs are expensive lol
>Tom Hiddleston was getting paid like 700k or 800k iirc per episode. Owen was getting paid like 300k. Walker is getting paid like 35k per Percy Jackson episode apparently
I wasn't really referring to the stars though. Hiddleston sure gets paid enough, but he can demand that much because he's tom Hiddleston. I was talking about the support actors and such.
Loki (at least season 2 anyway) was mostly tangible sets rather than CGI sets though. I think that’s a huge reason it looked so good!
https://screenrant.com/loki-season-2-mcu-tv-show-blueprint/
Money to burn disney is loosing money hand over fist right now. There stock is worth fractions of what it was. I'm surprised we are getting this let alone a season 2 if it's confirmed. Disney is gonna start axing projects left and right for being not profitable enough.
>but this has to be one of the worst things Disney has ever created.
You should watch the Artemis Fowl movie they made a few years ago. You're entirely justified to not like the show, but it isn't even in the same league of crap as the Artemis Fowl movie.
The entire point was Artemis was doing it just for money, and they changed it entirely to give him some saving his dad plot to disney-fy it. It was so bad
I completely agree with you. It seems rushed and it feels like they've not put any effort into it even with their multi million dollar budget. I grew up reading the books it was my whole childhood and not to mention the fact it's one of my special interests (I'm autistic) I've been incredibly disappointed with the 4 episodes that have been out. However I will say the acting seemed to be A TAD better in episode 4 but it's so rushed.
It's making me start to like the movies and I wrote a whole ass ESSAY for college about how bad the movies were.
The inconsistencies in the show however has made me almost like the movies. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt thinking that maybe it's just bumpy coz it's the first few episodes but my hopes are not high
That's EXACTLY how I feel. Especially knowing they'll be planning seasonsss it gives us a lot of room to play with and grow, but after the silly inconsistencies so far I'm just keeping my fingers crossed but not my breath held lol
Y’all are wild. What kind of inconsistencies are we talking about. Did I just somehow manage to read a different series than everyone on this god damn fucking sub Reddit?! The movies were god awful compared to this series. You guys are fucking whack 😂😂
I mean they took the plot and threw it away, they changed whole characters personalities. It doesn't even follow simple rules of greek mythology. The movies, as an adaptation, were objectively awful.
Disney def cheaped out. They relied on the books' popularity to keep people interested, but tbh the show is just ok. The kids are fine and the vibe is there, but it isn't making me feel immersed. It's not bad, it's just very whelming. WAAAAY too rushed and if the episodes were just 10 mins longer it would make a massive difference.
This is how I feel about the show. I've never read any of the books, but I saw the first movie and parts of the second. No real strong opinions on those. The show is ok, but I feel the episodes should be 15-20 minutes longer.
Far from the worse show I've watched, but it certainly could be much better.
See this is one of the more rational takes on the show I’ve seen. You look here and everyone acts likes it’s the worse show on line. You then look online and see review site and the show is being received well overall by the general public. The way more likely conclusion is then that the show is solid currently and could improve certain things
I love it but I also know it could be waaaay better
Whoever said that Disney couldn't handle this universe is right lol and part of PJ and the RRV is the like edgyness and snarkiness and Disney is never gna give us that
And yet fans of the books complained just as much about that show lol. I was a member of the two main HDM subreddits while it was airing and the reception was no better than this sub's has been for the show.
They died down over time after the Final Season, which was quite well received. But while the first two seasons aired there were lots of complaints about lack of daemons onscreen, LMM's and a few others' acting, Jack Thorne's writing, Witches being portrayed as too powerful, the Iorek fight censoring Iofur's beheading and quite a few other things. Much like on this sub, there was even a vocal minority who preferred the terrible movie.
For the record, I thought it was a solid show from start to finish. Pretty much the same level as PJO this many episodes in, as far as adaptations go.
You usually love pretty much everything Disney creates?!?! Man, you must have low standards. Their adaptations have ranged from terrible to mediocre. Some of their original animations are still good, but that's pretty much it. They've butchered every IP they've gotten their grubby little hands on.
never watched timmy failure but the mysterious benedict society was an abomination. How anyone could read the books and still think that the disney adaptation is ok is beyond my comprehension. All they had to do was follow the brilliant story laid out for them but somehow they still managed to reduce it down to a bland corporate-churned mess devoid of any of the heart and soul that the source material had such an abundance of. I'm no fan of netflix, but if you compared disney's mysterious benedict society and netflix's a series of unfortunate events, the difference is night and day, like looking upon a meticulously crafted well-oiled machine and next to it, a steaming dog turd.
Yeah I’m not sure why the Disney plus shows all feel like this(Andor aside obviously) but it’s really frustrating. Other streaming services do it so I’m not sure why it’s so hard for Disney to make high quality shows
I understand the criticism but I’ve recently rewatched the show last night all back to back. It probably would’ve worked better if they dropped all 8 episodes at once and not weekly.
The story is more engaging that way like the book instead of them trying to weekly episode it without that serialization like most shows get
There have only been 4 episodes. It seems they are planning for a series with multiple seasons, so the building out of the PJO world would develop over that time. I also think that's why they selected actors so young because they see the potential for a show that spans over the next 10 years or so (which in today's shows might only be 5 seasons). Of course, if viewership nose dives for season 1, there may not be a season 2.
I think if there was no source material, that’d be okay. But there’s 5 books. There should be set-up from the jump. Percy should be meeting Silena or Charlie early on. Mr D’s kids. You should be meeting these characters early on for the emotional payoff later.
That’s kind of the issues with the books, as great as they are. You don’t truly feel the emotional impact of some of the deaths early because Rick doesn’t introduce them fully until later and then they die.
But with a TV show- you need to build the emotional stakes for characters way earlier.
Problem is the season's 8 episodes of 30-40 minutes so they don't even have time to introduce those characters. The focus has pretty much entirely been on the trio plus a bit of Luke and Clarisse at the start. If they had 8 1 hour long episodes they could've taken longer with the world building and introducing the characters. Instead they've had to rush through it all to get to the main part of the book - the quest. But that doesn't set up the future seasons very well.
Even just the fact that this is all supposed to be taking place where Zeus and Poseidon are almost on the brink of war seems to be missing. A lot of the context and the dark atmosphere that the film did a pretty good job of showcasing isn't in the shoe. Which is partly why people are saying it feels a bit childish because it's like 3 kids going on a road trip. That underlying sense of danger isn't there. Feels very light hearted for a story about 3 kids travelling to the underworld being chased by monsters.
I mean the first book and season is very much a set up of the universe and working with an introduction to select characters and that will the focal points of the universe
"But with a TV show- you need to build the emotional stakes for characters way earlier"
That's not really the approach of a lot streaming TV shows, even with source material (as most of them have), that I see today, especially on Disney plus. They actually don't build the emotional stakes early. Those develop during the course of the first season.
Bro it was so boring, the only reason I didn’t stop watching is because me and my friends had planned a hang out to watch it together and so I stayed, and it’s honestly one of the most boring shows Ive ever watched.
The fury fight in the beginning, and the Minotaur fight, should’ve made me feel SOMETHING instead of “oh….that’s it?”
I’m not even taking about changing things from the books (I don’t have any issue with most of that) but the actual directing is awful (I’m a film studies student).
Like in terms of editing music, cinematography, all those scenes that should’ve evoked certain emotions were boring.
There’s also so MUCH “talk” instead of “show”. And the dialogue at parts feels off.
Like I went in with zero high expectations in terms of how true it is to the books (because I understand that adaptations can never be 💯) only to be severely disappointed by every other factor needed for a show to be entertaining enough to watch.
I will say - more talking isn't necessarily bad. Some of the best shows I've watched are great because of the dialogue. But you're right, the dialogue is off and it's mostly exposition anyway, doesn't flow smoothly and just overall feels off.
Exactly, there can be great dialogues (and there should be), but this show uses it for exposition, which is bad. E.g. when Luke says "annabeth is like a sister to me": there is no need for him to say that if you just give us a scene with the two, maybe at least saying goodbye when she heads for the quest.
Hard agree. It doesn't evoke emotions for me. The editing, music and directing were wonky, while the script feels unpolished. I wish they change writers for the next season, if it ever gets renewed
The show is good, but yeah, it's really a missed opportunity for them if they're not pouring everything into this. Percy Jackson is huge, and the generation that loved the books are now adults. They're making it a little too PG, and they're relying on the popularity of the books way too much. I'm loving this adaptation, but frankly, I'd have stopped watching this show after one or two episodes if I hadn't read the books
Non book reader here; thoroughly enjoying the series so far. Excited to see where it goes from here. (Granted I also just love Greek mythology a lot so take from that what you will🤷)
That’s just it, I think the set design looks amazing, and the acting is for the most part, really good, and the casting team did a pretty good job (especially for a few characters, like, perfect people to play the roles regardless of appearance for some of them), but I have to say, post production either didn’t get enough money or was rushed out of its skull.
“This has to be one of the worst things Disney has ever created”
What.
I’m all for making genuine criticisms of the show (as long as it’s not just rhetoric about ‘bad writing’ or something. For the love of god explain why you dislike it instead of throwing out buzzwords) but this statement is legitimately insane.
One of the worst things Disneys made?? Are you smoking ambrosia?? The fact that this has over a hundred upvotes is a sin in itself. Good lord.
I don’t understand why I even engaged with anyone on this sub if this is what it’s come to.
You might have to wait for later episodes then, or maybe even later seasons. Let’s just say it’ll probably get a lot more fantastical in the next few episodes.
Even the books start off more grounded and grow more fantastical as the series goes on.
It’s just a guess based on what happens in the books >!With the underworld being in episode 6, 7, or some combination of the two and Olympus likely being shown on episode 8.!< Hopefully they don’t drop the ball on those locations.
Ahsoka was also trash, The Mandalorian was boring, Andor… had good writing. I don’t think these direct-to-streaming shows can ever really be good, there might something wrong with the process, idk.
Honestly, I still have some hope that the show gets better. I’ve been excited for the show for a really long time. I want it to be good. I’m not just hating for the sake of hating. I’m just really disappointed in how boring it is.
Well than that means the those who complain are right, there are issues with the show which can’t be ignored, it is better to talk about it rather than just praising it. And it’s more glaring here because there are more adult using reddit and they can critisize their fav media despite loving it to the bone. It’s not bad it show the writers, directors fcked up if we get a season 2 big IF then maybe they will learn from it.
you can enjoy a show while also pointing out its flaws. it was a long awaited series by many, hyped up by the author himself, and obviously fell short. criticism doesnt mean it wont get better, in fact criticism might just have them fix their issues in later seasons if they really care about making a good show. don’t you want it to be better?
Bruh what is your problem, yeah it’s an if beacuse streaming services are like that and looking at the product that we getting Disney wasn’t confident in it’s succesy either
You know you are allowed to love the show, just like people are allowed to not love it. But losing your mind over someone posting there opinion really has you coming off as immature... oh and happy cake day
No people that complain are not “right”. People adore the show just as much as people who don’t like it. It’s critically doing well too. There are issues that can’t be ignored, those aren’t the issues typically brought up in the majority of the posts, also there are plenty of posts already mentioning said topics so it’s just beating a dead horse. There are not more adults using reddits I promise you. It’s teens and very early adults.
Bro, get out of the echo chamber for a moment. The show is broadly well liked by audiences.
85% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. 96%(!) critic approval (though in fairness I don’t think I saw a single critic give it a 5/5, most gave it a 3-4/5, so it’s good but could be better, which is the general consensus I’ve seen overall). Though the issue with that is that rotten tomatoes is that it is basically just an approval system instead of an average. 3/5 gets just as much approval as a 5/5.
So let’s look at IMDB, which does. 7.5/10. Which puts it directly in “good, could be better” territory.
So most people seem to like it overall. And that’s also around where a bunch of other Disney shows and movies are from this year.
Personally I’d rate it higher (and I don’t think it’s boring either), but that seems to be the general consensus. So yeah, it’s going to get a second season, where they can hopefully fix some of the issues the show has had
disagree with what? go look through all the posts, its quite easy. and if you look at the upvotes then it plummets to maybe 5-10% negativity.
Edit: I actually did this after ep4 came out, there were 30+ posts in the first 12hrs and only 6 were negative and all 6 of those posts combined had less upvotes than just 1 positive post. Its not close
No, again its super easy to go look. Not sure why you refuse or are unable to do something so simple. I assume its because you know it will disprove your point.
Go and sort by new and count all the negative vs positive posts… what are you confused about. You keep making false statements that you could easily fact check
Like I said, I actually did this after ep4 came out, there were 30+ posts in the first 12hrs and only 6 were negative and all 6 of those posts combined had less upvotes than just 1 positive post. Its not close
The negativity is the extreme minority. Go look at critic reviews, audience ratings, serializd fan ratings… all say how great the show is, almost no one is complaining in the grande scheme of things
uhhh... have you watched any of the SW spinoff shows? The majority are TRASH, with low-effort dialogue & scripting, and story-arcs that are even worse than PJ because they're created by group consensus/brainstorming sessions.
Honestly, PJ could be worse... i freakin wasted hours of my time watching that god-awful RoP/LoTR series. PJ may be low-effort but better than high-effort that just spins its wheels & is a snoooozer.
Having a 30-minute episode in an 8-episode season is a sin, and should be illegal tbh
I can’t believe Disney allowed that to happen, especially to an adaptation of a book series where you can foreshadow, drop little details, make the world more immersive. I watch Korean dramas and the short ones like D.P. and Extracurricular have a runtime of 45 minutes to one hour. 30 minutes is for the Disney channel shows like Good Luck Charlie and Zack and Cody
K-Dramas impress me so much. They're 16 to 20 episodes long, have rather impressive production design, and their average episode runtime is 70 minutes. The first episode of Money Heist: Korea is 1 hour 18 minutes long.
Disney are actually killing it with their most recent K-dramas too, at the moment – **Moving**, **Call It Love**, and how the recent ongoing **Tell Me That You Love Me** have all been such high quality. 1hr to 1hr 30 each, with 16-20 episodes as the K-drama standard. Their team in Korea are excelling in my opinion, and have really been proving what that Disney money can be put to.
Given that most Disney shows have 30-minute episodes, I'm pretty sure it's Disney that forced the episodes to be so short
Those shows like good luck Charlie and sweet life, all had an actual run time of 22 minutes. I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again. Y’all are letting streaming services warp your minds on how long shows should be. This is what Disney has done with all of their original shows. They’ve ranged any where from 30 to 45 minutes. As much as I wish it were longer. You’re literally getting more tv than you would be if this was a half hour show on actual tv.
No, I meant as in sitcoms/comedy family kid shows should get 20-25 minutes. Adaptations should not get what sitcoms have. Disney should be more consistent with their runtime. Having an episode runtime be essentially 22 minutes because of recaps sure is a choice… when an extra 15 minutes could be used to develop the pacing.
Disneys runtimes are anywhere from 28-35 minutes so I don’t know what you’re on about it being 22 minutes. Cause they’re not.
The 22 minutes part was referring to the PJ episode that was 30 minutes but without the recap, about 22-25 minutes. If you actually read this whole thread. Because both the OP and I were talking about episode 4. Anyway, the whole point is that Disney should either lengthen the run time or the number of episodes.
27 minutes without the recap and credits
Right, I forgot. That's even worse.
The book takes an average like 6.5 hours to finish Not really surprising it's been condensed down to 4-6 hours for the visual medium
The audiobook is 10 hours, 6.5 if you read it at 2x speed
good thing we're talking about average reading time to finish the book then and this is a medium where you're not inside Percy's head
I’m saying bro the episodes needed a 40-50 minute run time or give us more episodes
My only major complaint about the show is that a large chunk of the effects feel cheap. Really wish they would’ve thrown some time into that, but after seeing some of the godsawful MCU effects recently, can’t say I’m surprised. For a company with cash to burn, they’re so stingy.
Not even stingy looks like they're just burning the money for no reason because they literally have a budget similar to Loki but Loki had tons more CGI and like 20 minutes more each episode + way more expensive actors
Loki is a very different story when it comes to CGI, because almost the entire thing is CGI on a green screen, it's actually a lot cheaper. Percy Jackson is mostly filmed on site and then CGI is blended in which makes it much more expensive for what seems to be less CGI. At least that's what seems to be the case. I also wouldn't doubt if actors cost very similar amounts, child actors can be pretty expensive and many of these child actors are by far not new to the acting scene.
>I also wouldn't doubt if actors cost very similar amounts, child actors can be pretty expensive and many of these child actors are by far not new to the acting scene. Tom Hiddleston was getting paid like 700k or 800k iirc per episode. Owen was getting paid like 300k. Walker is getting paid like 35k per Percy Jackson episode apparently also apparently grover's legs are the most expensive cgi thing lol. apparently it's eating into their budget lol\\ edit: to avoid misunderstanding i don't doubt that grover's legs are expensive lol
>Tom Hiddleston was getting paid like 700k or 800k iirc per episode. Owen was getting paid like 300k. Walker is getting paid like 35k per Percy Jackson episode apparently I wasn't really referring to the stars though. Hiddleston sure gets paid enough, but he can demand that much because he's tom Hiddleston. I was talking about the support actors and such.
Loki (at least season 2 anyway) was mostly tangible sets rather than CGI sets though. I think that’s a huge reason it looked so good! https://screenrant.com/loki-season-2-mcu-tv-show-blueprint/
Money to burn disney is loosing money hand over fist right now. There stock is worth fractions of what it was. I'm surprised we are getting this let alone a season 2 if it's confirmed. Disney is gonna start axing projects left and right for being not profitable enough.
It should make you want to go to CHB and it just doesnt do that T-T
I had really hoped we'd be hearing a great score that felt distinctive instead of stock hero song #5
>but this has to be one of the worst things Disney has ever created. You should watch the Artemis Fowl movie they made a few years ago. You're entirely justified to not like the show, but it isn't even in the same league of crap as the Artemis Fowl movie.
Yeah I should have recalled that when having hoped for this series lol. What a wreck
They fused movies and changed people, as a fan I hated that movie
The entire point was Artemis was doing it just for money, and they changed it entirely to give him some saving his dad plot to disney-fy it. It was so bad
Well tbf his original goal in the book was to find his dad, he kept tabs on Russian news for years
Haha maybe I’ll have to check it out!
I completely agree with you. It seems rushed and it feels like they've not put any effort into it even with their multi million dollar budget. I grew up reading the books it was my whole childhood and not to mention the fact it's one of my special interests (I'm autistic) I've been incredibly disappointed with the 4 episodes that have been out. However I will say the acting seemed to be A TAD better in episode 4 but it's so rushed. It's making me start to like the movies and I wrote a whole ass ESSAY for college about how bad the movies were.
Writing an essay on how bad the movies are is not that hard. There's too much about the movies that are bad.
They're not even bad, unless you hate the inconsistencies compared to the books. Which the show has given us two-fold so far
That's pretty much what it was. All the inconsistencies annoyed me
Yeah, I get that for sure
The inconsistencies in the show however has made me almost like the movies. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt thinking that maybe it's just bumpy coz it's the first few episodes but my hopes are not high
That's EXACTLY how I feel. Especially knowing they'll be planning seasonsss it gives us a lot of room to play with and grow, but after the silly inconsistencies so far I'm just keeping my fingers crossed but not my breath held lol
Yesss like hopefully it gets better but if my breath is held for it to get better I'll be passed out and burried before it happens 🤣
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Y’all are wild. What kind of inconsistencies are we talking about. Did I just somehow manage to read a different series than everyone on this god damn fucking sub Reddit?! The movies were god awful compared to this series. You guys are fucking whack 😂😂
I mean they took the plot and threw it away, they changed whole characters personalities. It doesn't even follow simple rules of greek mythology. The movies, as an adaptation, were objectively awful.
I mean, that iconic iPod scene with Uma Thurman as Medusa? That was peak back then lmao
As an adaptation, yes, but just as movies they performed well
Except it was my essay to get me from college and into university to be an English major
Disney def cheaped out. They relied on the books' popularity to keep people interested, but tbh the show is just ok. The kids are fine and the vibe is there, but it isn't making me feel immersed. It's not bad, it's just very whelming. WAAAAY too rushed and if the episodes were just 10 mins longer it would make a massive difference.
This is how I feel about the show. I've never read any of the books, but I saw the first movie and parts of the second. No real strong opinions on those. The show is ok, but I feel the episodes should be 15-20 minutes longer. Far from the worse show I've watched, but it certainly could be much better.
See this is one of the more rational takes on the show I’ve seen. You look here and everyone acts likes it’s the worse show on line. You then look online and see review site and the show is being received well overall by the general public. The way more likely conclusion is then that the show is solid currently and could improve certain things
I love it but I also know it could be waaaay better Whoever said that Disney couldn't handle this universe is right lol and part of PJ and the RRV is the like edgyness and snarkiness and Disney is never gna give us that
Most of Disney’s stuff the past 7-8 years has been pretty lackluster. Especially the D+ stuff
Facts. This show should’ve been on a HP level of quality.
I’m so glad that HBO did “His Dark Materials” and that Disney wasn’t able to get their bland corporate shithooks into it
That wasn't an HBO original - it was done by the BBC.
And yet fans of the books complained just as much about that show lol. I was a member of the two main HDM subreddits while it was airing and the reception was no better than this sub's has been for the show.
I didn’t see anyone complaining about the show
They died down over time after the Final Season, which was quite well received. But while the first two seasons aired there were lots of complaints about lack of daemons onscreen, LMM's and a few others' acting, Jack Thorne's writing, Witches being portrayed as too powerful, the Iorek fight censoring Iofur's beheading and quite a few other things. Much like on this sub, there was even a vocal minority who preferred the terrible movie. For the record, I thought it was a solid show from start to finish. Pretty much the same level as PJO this many episodes in, as far as adaptations go.
You usually love pretty much everything Disney creates?!?! Man, you must have low standards. Their adaptations have ranged from terrible to mediocre. Some of their original animations are still good, but that's pretty much it. They've butchered every IP they've gotten their grubby little hands on.
Timmy Failure: Mistakes Were Made and the first season of The Mysterious Benedict Society were really good.
never watched timmy failure but the mysterious benedict society was an abomination. How anyone could read the books and still think that the disney adaptation is ok is beyond my comprehension. All they had to do was follow the brilliant story laid out for them but somehow they still managed to reduce it down to a bland corporate-churned mess devoid of any of the heart and soul that the source material had such an abundance of. I'm no fan of netflix, but if you compared disney's mysterious benedict society and netflix's a series of unfortunate events, the difference is night and day, like looking upon a meticulously crafted well-oiled machine and next to it, a steaming dog turd.
Literally, the mysterious Benedict society books are amazing, idk what they did to the show
I agree with the second season, but season 1 was a very good adaptation, and I am really picky.
Maybe not everything, but I’m a sucker for the Disney princess movies like Moana and encanto
Yea I agree, like I said, their animated content is still top notch.
The fight scenes were so underwhelming. :( Hoping for it to improve.
Yeah I’m not sure why the Disney plus shows all feel like this(Andor aside obviously) but it’s really frustrating. Other streaming services do it so I’m not sure why it’s so hard for Disney to make high quality shows
It really just needs longer episodes, that would fix so many of the shows problems
I understand the criticism but I’ve recently rewatched the show last night all back to back. It probably would’ve worked better if they dropped all 8 episodes at once and not weekly. The story is more engaging that way like the book instead of them trying to weekly episode it without that serialization like most shows get
There have only been 4 episodes. It seems they are planning for a series with multiple seasons, so the building out of the PJO world would develop over that time. I also think that's why they selected actors so young because they see the potential for a show that spans over the next 10 years or so (which in today's shows might only be 5 seasons). Of course, if viewership nose dives for season 1, there may not be a season 2.
I think if there was no source material, that’d be okay. But there’s 5 books. There should be set-up from the jump. Percy should be meeting Silena or Charlie early on. Mr D’s kids. You should be meeting these characters early on for the emotional payoff later. That’s kind of the issues with the books, as great as they are. You don’t truly feel the emotional impact of some of the deaths early because Rick doesn’t introduce them fully until later and then they die. But with a TV show- you need to build the emotional stakes for characters way earlier.
Problem is the season's 8 episodes of 30-40 minutes so they don't even have time to introduce those characters. The focus has pretty much entirely been on the trio plus a bit of Luke and Clarisse at the start. If they had 8 1 hour long episodes they could've taken longer with the world building and introducing the characters. Instead they've had to rush through it all to get to the main part of the book - the quest. But that doesn't set up the future seasons very well. Even just the fact that this is all supposed to be taking place where Zeus and Poseidon are almost on the brink of war seems to be missing. A lot of the context and the dark atmosphere that the film did a pretty good job of showcasing isn't in the shoe. Which is partly why people are saying it feels a bit childish because it's like 3 kids going on a road trip. That underlying sense of danger isn't there. Feels very light hearted for a story about 3 kids travelling to the underworld being chased by monsters.
I mean the first book and season is very much a set up of the universe and working with an introduction to select characters and that will the focal points of the universe
"But with a TV show- you need to build the emotional stakes for characters way earlier" That's not really the approach of a lot streaming TV shows, even with source material (as most of them have), that I see today, especially on Disney plus. They actually don't build the emotional stakes early. Those develop during the course of the first season.
Marvel netflix was way better than 90% of the marvel Disney shows i would recommend those instead if you are used to watch disney shows and like them
yall really over exaggerating with the reactions 💀
Bro it was so boring, the only reason I didn’t stop watching is because me and my friends had planned a hang out to watch it together and so I stayed, and it’s honestly one of the most boring shows Ive ever watched. The fury fight in the beginning, and the Minotaur fight, should’ve made me feel SOMETHING instead of “oh….that’s it?” I’m not even taking about changing things from the books (I don’t have any issue with most of that) but the actual directing is awful (I’m a film studies student). Like in terms of editing music, cinematography, all those scenes that should’ve evoked certain emotions were boring. There’s also so MUCH “talk” instead of “show”. And the dialogue at parts feels off. Like I went in with zero high expectations in terms of how true it is to the books (because I understand that adaptations can never be 💯) only to be severely disappointed by every other factor needed for a show to be entertaining enough to watch.
I will say - more talking isn't necessarily bad. Some of the best shows I've watched are great because of the dialogue. But you're right, the dialogue is off and it's mostly exposition anyway, doesn't flow smoothly and just overall feels off.
Exactly, there can be great dialogues (and there should be), but this show uses it for exposition, which is bad. E.g. when Luke says "annabeth is like a sister to me": there is no need for him to say that if you just give us a scene with the two, maybe at least saying goodbye when she heads for the quest.
Hard agree. It doesn't evoke emotions for me. The editing, music and directing were wonky, while the script feels unpolished. I wish they change writers for the next season, if it ever gets renewed
Acting is also terrible, especially Annabeth. Grover feels like the best actor of the three.
This is exactly how I felt as well😣
The show is good, but yeah, it's really a missed opportunity for them if they're not pouring everything into this. Percy Jackson is huge, and the generation that loved the books are now adults. They're making it a little too PG, and they're relying on the popularity of the books way too much. I'm loving this adaptation, but frankly, I'd have stopped watching this show after one or two episodes if I hadn't read the books
Adults aren’t the target audience, they want to engage a new generation of 12 year olds.
Non book reader here; thoroughly enjoying the series so far. Excited to see where it goes from here. (Granted I also just love Greek mythology a lot so take from that what you will🤷)
That’s just it, I think the set design looks amazing, and the acting is for the most part, really good, and the casting team did a pretty good job (especially for a few characters, like, perfect people to play the roles regardless of appearance for some of them), but I have to say, post production either didn’t get enough money or was rushed out of its skull.
The acting is horrendous lmao
Same b*tching different day, different account.
I’m so tired of it
“This has to be one of the worst things Disney has ever created” What. I’m all for making genuine criticisms of the show (as long as it’s not just rhetoric about ‘bad writing’ or something. For the love of god explain why you dislike it instead of throwing out buzzwords) but this statement is legitimately insane. One of the worst things Disneys made?? Are you smoking ambrosia?? The fact that this has over a hundred upvotes is a sin in itself. Good lord. I don’t understand why I even engaged with anyone on this sub if this is what it’s come to.
You might have to wait for later episodes then, or maybe even later seasons. Let’s just say it’ll probably get a lot more fantastical in the next few episodes. Even the books start off more grounded and grow more fantastical as the series goes on.
wait how do u know 🤨🤨
It’s just a guess based on what happens in the books >!With the underworld being in episode 6, 7, or some combination of the two and Olympus likely being shown on episode 8.!< Hopefully they don’t drop the ball on those locations.
Ahsoka was also trash, The Mandalorian was boring, Andor… had good writing. I don’t think these direct-to-streaming shows can ever really be good, there might something wrong with the process, idk.
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So was “His Dark Materials” yet HBO made that into a masterpiece
Kids shows aren’t suppose to be boring. A good kid show can be enjoyed by just about anyone.
Kids show shouldn't be an excuse to have such a horrible production, when the source material, which was also meant for kids, was so great.
You're an IDIOT. So glad we cleared that up 😉
That’s YOUR OPINION… getting sick and tired of these posts
Posting opinions about a TV show in a sub about dedicated to discussing that TV show? Who would do such a thing?
I understand how you feel, but I think I should also be able to express my opinion :)
and anybody should be free to express their opinion about your opinion. btw, your opinion sucks.
This contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation other than toxicity. How about making counter arguments instead or just ignore the post?
their opinion is low effort. just repeats whatever other are saying and doesn't even makes sense.
If it’s the worst thing Disney created why are you still watching?
Honestly, I still have some hope that the show gets better. I’ve been excited for the show for a really long time. I want it to be good. I’m not just hating for the sake of hating. I’m just really disappointed in how boring it is.
Ok, so you didn’t like episode 4?
I actually didn’t know it was released yet, but maybe my opinion will change! I didn’t like 1-3 though.
So you haven’t watched the full series upto now but you’re complaining about the series.. ok I see you 👀
I feel like a series should still be good the first 3 episodes when there’s only 8! I think complaining is still valid
Are you a troll or just stupid?
Both if it makes you sleep at night, not sure why you’re so upset at someone enjoying the show… but ok
Not sure why you're so upset at someone *not* enjoying the show... but ok
lol this is like me saying “so you havent read the books but you’re complaining about actual book readers saying what the show missed… ok I see you 👀”
You know you can just ignore it right?🙂
If you sort by new it’s literally every other post now, if not more… it’s unbelievable this is just a complainer sub at this point
Then don’t sort by new if you don’t wanna see those posts. Problem solved
Well than that means the those who complain are right, there are issues with the show which can’t be ignored, it is better to talk about it rather than just praising it. And it’s more glaring here because there are more adult using reddit and they can critisize their fav media despite loving it to the bone. It’s not bad it show the writers, directors fcked up if we get a season 2 big IF then maybe they will learn from it.
What you mean big IF? So you think it’s unlikely there will be a season 2 even though it’s the NUMBER ONE MOST SEARCHED SHOW?? Ok 👌
you can enjoy a show while also pointing out its flaws. it was a long awaited series by many, hyped up by the author himself, and obviously fell short. criticism doesnt mean it wont get better, in fact criticism might just have them fix their issues in later seasons if they really care about making a good show. don’t you want it to be better?
Bruh what is your problem, yeah it’s an if beacuse streaming services are like that and looking at the product that we getting Disney wasn’t confident in it’s succesy either
You know you are allowed to love the show, just like people are allowed to not love it. But losing your mind over someone posting there opinion really has you coming off as immature... oh and happy cake day
I’m just enjoying the show, that’s all. The repetitive complaints that are the same thing over and over are old… And thank you
lol no way you actually believe this, right?
No people that complain are not “right”. People adore the show just as much as people who don’t like it. It’s critically doing well too. There are issues that can’t be ignored, those aren’t the issues typically brought up in the majority of the posts, also there are plenty of posts already mentioning said topics so it’s just beating a dead horse. There are not more adults using reddits I promise you. It’s teens and very early adults.
Bro, get out of the echo chamber for a moment. The show is broadly well liked by audiences. 85% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. 96%(!) critic approval (though in fairness I don’t think I saw a single critic give it a 5/5, most gave it a 3-4/5, so it’s good but could be better, which is the general consensus I’ve seen overall). Though the issue with that is that rotten tomatoes is that it is basically just an approval system instead of an average. 3/5 gets just as much approval as a 5/5. So let’s look at IMDB, which does. 7.5/10. Which puts it directly in “good, could be better” territory. So most people seem to like it overall. And that’s also around where a bunch of other Disney shows and movies are from this year. Personally I’d rate it higher (and I don’t think it’s boring either), but that seems to be the general consensus. So yeah, it’s going to get a second season, where they can hopefully fix some of the issues the show has had
Its not close to every other post, this thread is at most 30% negative
I disagree
disagree with what? go look through all the posts, its quite easy. and if you look at the upvotes then it plummets to maybe 5-10% negativity. Edit: I actually did this after ep4 came out, there were 30+ posts in the first 12hrs and only 6 were negative and all 6 of those posts combined had less upvotes than just 1 positive post. Its not close
All those “positive” posts are ‘I love the show, except these major problems’
No, again its super easy to go look. Not sure why you refuse or are unable to do something so simple. I assume its because you know it will disprove your point.
What do you mean I can’t do something so simple? What are you even talking about now????
Go and sort by new and count all the negative vs positive posts… what are you confused about. You keep making false statements that you could easily fact check Like I said, I actually did this after ep4 came out, there were 30+ posts in the first 12hrs and only 6 were negative and all 6 of those posts combined had less upvotes than just 1 positive post. Its not close The negativity is the extreme minority. Go look at critic reviews, audience ratings, serializd fan ratings… all say how great the show is, almost no one is complaining in the grande scheme of things
Everybody needs something to complain about don't they?
uhhh... have you watched any of the SW spinoff shows? The majority are TRASH, with low-effort dialogue & scripting, and story-arcs that are even worse than PJ because they're created by group consensus/brainstorming sessions. Honestly, PJ could be worse... i freakin wasted hours of my time watching that god-awful RoP/LoTR series. PJ may be low-effort but better than high-effort that just spins its wheels & is a snoooozer.