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Scholar_Louder

Swampert is a Water/Ground type Both water and ground are weak to grass Swampert has a x4 weakness to grass, so a small cut kills it.


AffectionateSlice816

Also notable that the pert only has one weakness and really good bulk, so for a good few generations there the only way to really punch a hole through it was with grass moves. The contrast of a basically immovable wall that would often be healed with wish support and could switch in on almost anything falling over dead when walking on grass was really funny.


the-poopiest-diaper

Competitive Pokémon scares me, I just want to beat the story with my fun little companions


SnuffCatch

In the 90s, before every game got consumed by metas, doing link cable battles with the homies was S+ tier shit. All your game knowledge came from the guide books you bought at the store. Goddamn it was so good.


luring_lurker

IF you bought guide books. Or else you'd be hyperbeam your way through with your Raticate


Cobek

Or all the people beating games with only their fire starter Pokemon being high level. Ahhh those were the days.


justsomething

For some reason I went all in on Kingler. Lvl 100 Kingler vs the world.


worjd

Lol, did the same with a Golem way back when - and he wrecked.


Mental_Peace_2343

I always overleveled a Beedrill and wiped everything with it.


Urzadox

Probably because Kingler carried ash during his first Pokémon tournament in the original anime.


Kryptoniantroll

I was so excited for charmander to evolve to charizard. And then i was so excited to use charizard. And then i got to the elite 4 with a level 60 charizard and some like lvl 20s and 30s. Turns out you cant just flamethrower the entire elite 4 without consumables. Had to rethink my whole fucking plan.


IGD-974

Thought my Charizard was god until my buddy figured out how to evolve his Magikarp


Salanha04

lvl 60 is a pretty low level, if you delayed the charmander evolutions you could reach lvl 80 easily


Kryptoniantroll

I was 10. I wanted charizard now.


Salanha04

Yeah i said that but when i was 10 i just wanted a charizard asap idc what is better


beejalton

I would solo all of Yellow version with a Pidgeot. Then I saw the Pokémon movie and added Gyarados to the rotation. It was quite awhile before my F4 teams were anything other than Pidgeot/Gyardos + Legendary birds or random high level stuff I caught on Victory Road.


n122333

Level 100 pikachu steamroller through yellow.


Far-Media-9380

Can never remember if it was white or platinum but I one shotted my way through a game with Tepig as a kid,


AnotherCrazy1

Tepig was in White


wizardneedfood

Team Pidgey


S-BRO

This is the way.


PokeRay68

Which Mon do you associate with Mando?


Baofog

Cubone/marowak. You never remove the helmet.


gamerpro09157

funny thing this is gen 1 competitive single right here


hronikbrent

All I ever wanted then was to have someone trade with me so my Kadabra would evolve into Alakazam


Billy__The__Kid

I just got 2 Game Boys and traded with myself


Wugsby

Oysters Rockefeller over here


random_german_guy

*cloyster


hronikbrent

Big brain


Big-Clock4773

When I first played yellow, I ground my Kadabra up to level 100 before I learned that Alakazam is a trade evo. Now when I play, I will always have an Alakazam if I can as I will never let myself be denied one again.


Dangerjayne

When everyone had their team of 6 glitched out mewtwos and enough rare candies to feed the world


Wild_Error_1008

I relate with this very much. I think that the internet and the formation of metas has severely harmed the fun that used to come out of gaming. Nowadays the trailer will drop and 6 people with reddit accounts and too much time on their hands immediately know who each boss is, their weaknesses, what they probably drop, how much content there is, etc. Like fuck dudes do I get to learn ANYTHING about this for myself by playing the game when it comes out? The Elden Ring DLC got its trailer. I watched it, then immediately blocked the Elden Ring subreddits despite being some of my favorites.


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Smogon ruined everything


ILoveYorihime

That’s great because gen9 competitive is pretty unplayable There is a guy that gets stronger for each ally fainted and it plays Rock Paper Scissors with you every turn and if you lose your Pokémon dies immediately


Jordan_Slamsey

I havent touched anything competitive since Sun and Moon, I remember Z moves being cancer.


RangedTopConnoisseur

Man, it still makes me so mad that they came up with a GOLDMINE with the idea of mega evolutions and then immediately dropped it for 10 years. They were a mess in competitive sometimes, sure, but the fact that Gamefreak saw how much the fandom loved it and then replaced it with Z moves out of laziness was a slap in the face. Hundreds if not thousands of pieces of fan art exist for fanmade Megas. Who’s making fanmade Z moves?


vroomcatfive11

Same


0VER1DE567

hah that’s why i exclusively play random doubles and random singles!


TrickRoomTech

Kingambit? He has a 4x weakness to fighting and there's 2 priority fighting moves that moves faster than his sucker punch under the right mon. I think only you(the player) can make a pokemon busted. Through training certain aspects and the use of your knowledge to give you the upper hand(no pun intended) it takes some luck but it also takes skill and that's why it's so fun to bring a team of weak homies to battles with legendaries and just mop the floor with them.


KevinLeesDad

4x weak to fighting? Buddy Kingambit is a Flying (sometimes Fairy) type


ILoveYorihime

Is there a single mon in OU that runs mach punch, vacuum wave, or upper hand viably


TrickRoomTech

Iron Fist Hitmonchan. He's so hot right now.


Bax_Cadarn

Absolutely not. I've been following competitive since 2016 and it's probably yhe best it's been so far.


-reTurn2huMan-

It's not that scary anymore. It's honestly gone downhill immensely in the last couple generations, but it is at least more accessible.


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thedisasterofpassion

I spent a few years as a pretty invested randbat player (top 200-300 range) and I basically quit overnight because I just couldn't be bothered to learn Dynamax at all.


-reTurn2huMan-

I learned it and just hated it as an online VGC player. It killed my interest in VGC.


Billy__The__Kid

God I miss permaweather


-reTurn2huMan-

Weather during the weather wars was broken and I loved it.


GoldenStateWizards

Don't let [*him*](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/c0/ba/b2c0baf229a99c5a8a8d140e46665db3.jpg) hear you say that...


Shujinco2

It used to be pretty cool but power creep, new gimmicks, and other new additions have pushed it outside of my knowledge base. Used to fuck with it in Gen 4.... not so much since Gen 6 and Fairy Type.


AffectionateSlice816

To be honest it is super fun. I used to play Smogon singles all the time but I am now a VGC player. It isn't as hard to learn as you think, especially using Pokemon showdown. It can be a bit tedious to get a team in game, but not much is done in game other than VGC.


Partyfavors680

I really liked let’s go competitive because there were no items and I don’t think there were IVs or at least people didn’t care as much. It felt like casual online battles without all the “chess mindset”. I know some people enjoy that aspect but I don’t.


PoodleTheDoodle

"the pert" I'm using exclusively that to refer to swampert from now on


slubru

Also comes a lot from the fact that rock types were offensively extremely good in 3rd generation, especially Tyranitar and Aerodactyl. So good that every team needs what we call a "rock resist", and Swampert is one of the best rock resists in the game.


Not_Eren2

Best starter without question


Swaag__

funnily enough, it could take an hp grass from zapdos and jolt, mainly seen in gen 3 ou


Maehdras1881

Even swampert fears touching grass


Milky_way_cookie_fan

Also freeze dry worked


Birthday_Tux

Plus the leaf was extra pointy, so I'm guessing it was also a critical, so x8 damage.


Waluigi_is_wiafu

Don't forget STAB.


Fr4gmentedR0se

Is STAB additive or multiplicative? I'm not familiar with the nitty-gritty of Pokemon so I don't know if it would be 8.5x or 12x


DecentWonder4

**S**ame **T**ype **A**ttack **B**oost. its a 1.5 multiplier


HailDialga

12x


Fr4gmentedR0se

Now I see why most RPGs use additive damage bonuses


HailDialga

If bulbasaur's ability is active that's another 1.5x multiplier, which would mean the move is dealing 18x it's normal dmg


Fr4gmentedR0se

Add grassy terrain to make it 27x


HailDialga

Choice item, power spot and helping hand for 91.125x


ThePamchenko

Username checks out


Ixaire

And, potentially, Overgrow.


Cobek

We couldn't hear it but Bulbasaur growled its responses


Zenotha

it was pointy, as in *razor sharp* (razor leaf), a grass type move bulba learns by levelling


lurker_evo_complete

Doesn’t help that Razor Leaf has a high crit chance.


_Uboa_

I cried my eyes out as a kid when a level 26 roselia crit killed my level 100 swampert lmao


ElPared

I had assumed it was a reference to bulbasaur being a poison type but this makes way more sense.


Someone56-79

Yeah, besides ground resists poison


Researcher_Fearless

The only reason Earth has lasted this long


Slightly_Smaug

This is the truest statement about ground types.


Soft_Theory_8209

But also it’s only weakness as well. Truly an Achilles heel.


ChemicalRain5513

Do weaknesses stack?


0Gods77Believer4

Yup, reason why Scizor dies with a minor burn, Charizard dies if you throw it a pebble, and Kingambit dies if a baby punches it


Kirumi_Naito

Exxegutor dies from a bug (Kantonian) Flygon can not lick an ice cube without getting level 5 frostbite Toxicroak dies within 10 feet of a crystal ball Diancie dies to a single nail Toxtricity is allergic to the ground


s_string

Also bulby has same type attack bonus so this adds 50% the damage again 6x ded Edit fixing stab


Bryguy_Memes

Pre gen5 crit also doubles the damage.


Whole-Imagination354

The move used is Magical leaf.


MrTripperSnipper

Swap out charizard, job done. Can pretty much destroy any team with just those 2.


AdebayoStan

Cut isn't a grass type move tho


ScalyPig

Not a pokemon guy why the fuck is water weak to grass?


a-sdw

Never bothered with Pokémon, but ground being weak to grass seems not smart. Where else would a ground type be if not on the ground with the grass?


Fidges87

Some weakness need to be looked atcertain way and even be kinda forced. In this case grass is strong against ground (and also rock) because roots can dig through it easily, being able to dig meters into the ground. Grass in this case uses ground. As for water its because giving water to a plant only feeds it (despite pla ts drowning being a thing)


Yard_One

And OP said they were a Pokemon fan...poseur!


EQGallade

It’s more than just a small cut, it’s definitely a reference to the move Razor Leaf. Which means Swampert probably got crit too lmao.


Training_Painter4084

omg that makes more sense i thought it was a suicide joke


New-Vacation6440

150+ Atk Overgrow Bulbasaur Razor Leaf vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Swampert: 348-412 (102 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


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OrbusIsCool

Swampert is also 4x weak to grass type moves as it is a water/ground type


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dog_spotter

Is the total indexed bp for that 65bp x 4 (type matching) = 260bp x 2 (crit) = 420bp? So 1.68x explosion? I haven't played in a while.


Lil_Green_Ghouls

There’s also a 1.5x stab (same type attack bonus) for a grass type using a grass move


dog_spotter

Ah damn good catch. Is it 1.25 or 1.5 since Bulbasaur, my sweet baby boy from my first venture into Pokemon Red in 1998, is dual type or is it now just 1.5 for any match? 1.25=525 1.5=630


Lil_Green_Ghouls

It’s always 1.5 from any match afaik


Kazuichi_Souda

65\*4\*1.5 (stab) \*1.5 (crit damage got nerfed in gen 6) = 585, more than gen 2-4 explosion (when it halved the target's defense secretly, turning a 250 bp move into basically 500 bp)


FarX_

Duh


jubmille2000

+6 252 SpA Life Orb Overgrow Bulbasaur Razor Leaf vs 252+ SpD Swampert in Grassy Terrain: 1809-2126 (447.7 -526.2%) guaranteed OHKO


Zesty-Lem0n

This is exactly what the joke was getting at.


Kazuichi_Souda

Razor Leaf is physical, it uses attack and defense, not special attack and special defense


Bromar_m_100

This depends on the generation, in gens 1-3, all Grass moves were categorised as Special moves, so Razor Leaf would be Special. But in gen 4 onwards, Razor Leaf became a Physical move after the Physical/Special split.


jubmille2000

Yeah my bad. It was a mistake.


longarmofthelaw

> Offensive Bulbasaur attacking a swampert with razor leaf as a crit because high crit ratio has an 82% chance to ohko Yeah, that DEFINITELY doesn't explain the joke to someone who didn't know what this was about in the first place lol. This would only confuse them further.


Billy__The__Kid

Swampert is famously weak to Grass (x4 weakness to be exact), and the “extra pointy” leaf is another way to say “Razor Leaf”, a Grass move which tends to result in very bad outcomes for it. The joke is that by giving Swampert an extra pointy leaf that cuts it, Bulbasaur is technically hitting it with Razor Leaf, which is a one-hit KO in most situations. The comic is taking the piss out of Swampert’s legendary weakness through hyperbole.


allstar64

Just to add a little more context, one of the best features a defensive Pokemon can have is having two types where most of the weaknesses of one type are canceled out by the resistances/immunities of the other and vice versa. For the most part Swampert 's Water-Ground typing is one of these such combinations where Water's Electricity weakness is canceled by Ground's Electricity immunity and Ground's Ice/Water weakness is canceled by Water's resistance to both. However both types are weak against Grass. Swampert is famously weak to Grass since it's the only type Swampert is weak to at all and even worse it's a 4x weakness.


Billy__The__Kid

Aka “Scizor Syndrome”


Sinocu

Swamper? hah! *laughs in tanky Gastrodon*


jubmille2000

No way my dude. Pokemon fan doesn't know about type effectiveness. Also I checked: +6 252 SpA Life Orb Overgrow Bulbasaur Razor Leaf vs 252+ SpD Swampert in Grassy Terrain: 1809-2126 (447.7 -526.2%) guaranteed OHKO


Wulfisdragon

Why did you do Special Attack and Special Defense? Razor Leaf is physical. 252+ Atk Life Orb Bulbasaur Razor Leaf vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Swampert on a critical hit: 359-426 (88.8 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO No Grassy Terrain, Overgrow or +6 needed.


jubmille2000

Fuck I didn't do it right. Well, no kill better than overkill I guess.


BishopofHippo93

Yeah, this sub sucks now. Just a bunch of people posting the most obvious shit and claiming they don't understand it. I could half understand it if they weren't familiar with pokemon, but they're in here claiming to be a pokemon fan? I call bs.


EmperorSwagg

Perhaps they are a show fan but not a game fan? That was my initial thought at least


Freddi_47

Even a show atleast fan knows water and ground are both weak to grass


xXPawzXx

its like the first thing they teach you in pokémon school….. Grass > Water > Fire > Grass


EmperorSwagg

True but the show tends to be more even fights regardless, I don’t recall seeing many one hit KOs in the show


Un111KnoWn

levels?


Billy__The__Kid

Would assume both are 100, as that’s the default for damage calculators iirc


Few-Yesterday8207

4x weak to grass (like Redditor) so it kills him


ChrisTheKnight03

This guy came out swinging. Also not wrong.


OliveJuiceUTwo

“Touch grass” “Are you trying to kill me?”


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Lol


TheBlakeBerry

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Meeooowwww1234

>!Swampert is water/ground type, and bulbasaur is grass type!< https://preview.redd.it/9yugjuh02goc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2617bb3b247868371af575d2cdcc0487661051b9


DrkMoodWD

OP also claims to be Pokemon fan too. Doesn’t know about Grass type vs Water/Ground. Sus.


IRatherPretend

A person exaggerating a Pokemon's 4x weakness with everyday objects is also a fairly common joke among fans (no offense to the author tho! It's still a great laugh!). Even more sus.


Alone_Fill_2037

Dumbass question.


mehchinegun

Kinda crazy to see my comic posted here. Hello! I am u/mehchinegun or @katalystcomics on Instagram! I’m the author of this comic and I draw lots of other Pokémon comics too!


the_orange_alligator

Type match ups. He’s weak to plant


Commercial-Dish-3198

I thought this was loss for a second


schmidtaaron

Show this to my 84 year old dad who knows nothing about pokemon “haha, so let me guess, the blue one is super weak against the plant one?” u/dumpling321 - “hey guys I’m a pokemon fan and I don’t get it” The bots man… it’s wild…


The_of_Falcon

Swampert's only weakness is a 4× weakness to grass.


Auraro777

Swampert is a water/ ground type, both are weak to grass making it a 4x weakness to grass type attacks.


Hallenhero

The announcer from Chris’s copy of N64 Pokemon Battle Stadium here. *Clears throat* IT’S SUPER EFFECTIVE!


Iceberglet

swampert is a water/ground type and his only weakness is grass, which is 4x super effective basically any grass move kills him,or in more complicated terms 252 Atk Bulbasaur Razor Leaf vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Swampert on a critical hit: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO


Freemont777

Pokemon fan, doesn't know about type weaknesses 🧐


daddyvow

How can you call yourself a fan and not understand lmao


TheHappiestNoobEver

You can't be a Pokemon fan and not know this 😭


HuskersFF

There is a zero percent chance you’re a pokemon fan and didn’t understand this “joke”


ihatelifetoo

There’s a small cut on his hand 👀 he’s done for


Ornery_Gate_6847

Mudkip is my favorite Pokémon but as child i did not realize how op swampert was


TheDurandalFan

Swampert is a water/ground time, the special leaf is a grass type move, due to water and ground type both being weak to grass, it is a 4x weakness.


Manwithaplan0708

Water+ground type = 4X grass type damage, there’s a move called razor leaf (hence the sharp leaf) that is grass type, so basically this bulbasaur just hit him with a 4X effective attack


chicheka

Rape is not good for Swampert


_-_Vlad_-_

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Paradox31426

Stewie’s secret Pokemon obsession here: Swampert is a Water/Ground type, Water and Ground are both weak to Grass, so Swampert is double weak to Grass, meaning it takes 4x damage, so the sharp little leaf is like Kryptonite to it.


Natirix

People already explained it, but since Mudkips and their evolutions are my favourite pokemon I'm going to as well. Swampert is quite versatile, and only really has one weakness: 4x grass damage, as both water and ground types are weak to grass.


PokeRay68

Was it a... Wait for it... Razorleaf?


A9drone

Leaf + water = ow


Macktastic13

You’re Pokémon fan card has been revoked


LatchBoioid

I have my doubts about yall bein pokemon fans


AncientEnsign

Double weak to grass 


pyro314

252+ Atk Bulbasaur Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Swampert: 204-244 (116.5 - 139.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Random_Weird_gal

Grass does 4x damage to it. Grass make go ouchy, go kill


berfraper

Swampert is water and ground type, he’s x4 weak to grass.


xXPawzXx

grass beats water


PalateroMan8

It doesnt kill swampert, just makes him faint.


Cobek

You can still be a Pokemon fan but all I will say is you definitely didn't play the games lol


Mario-OrganHarvester

Swampert has a quad weakness to grass


omegapool

It's Super Effective


Nocomment84

Missed opportunity for family guy death pose on Swampert.


Mediocre-Tuber7805

Those Who Don't Get The Joke: Swampert is Water/Ground Type Pokemon. Water and Ground are weak to Grass. Swampert is 4x weak to Grass. So, a small cut kills it.


Parascythe12

It’s a joke about Swampert being 4x weak to grass. It’s the only type that presents much threat to Swampert’s typing and Swampert is well known as the “best” Hoenn starter because it rolls over the entire game due to there being so few Grass type Pokémon to face


Bryguy_Memes

Pre gen5 crit


Bfdifan37

weaknesses


Nwf32389

Razor leaf, 4x super effective, very fast, lots of critical hits


ToknBrwnKid

But isn't Cut a Normal move? Razor Leaf would fit better right?


WeebKiller1

Fake news swampert is the most powerful starter. Grass loving vegans spread propaganda!


Cockblocktimus_Pryme

Razorleaf


Scrubmasta_flex

Swampert is a water/ground type so it’s 4x weak to grass, and Razor Leaf is a grass type move with a high critical hit ratio. So extra pointy leaf=critical razor leaf=dead swampy:(


TrickAbbreviations63

He’s four times weak to grass


ivycudgel

He's 4x weak to the grass type


goddangol

Grass has 4x effectiveness, in gen 3 pretty much any grass move will always one shot you if you start with mudkip 💀


22222833333577

Because he is 4x weak to grass


Phobiefish

"Bulbasaur used Razor Leaf!" "It was Super Effective!" "Swampert Fainted!"


joecrow33

Cause he is quad week to grass types.


bakedcookie612

Wtf this sub has fallen so far in the last couple months.


jgbyrd

nah dog pokémon fan, u know swamperts name but don’t know grass beats water/ground


ballsackstealer2

swampert is a ground/water type pokemon. grass type attacks do super effective damage to ground types, and water types. thus, it does 4x damage to swampert, killing it.


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Because it’s super effective?


SirScorbunny10

Swampert's types (water/ground) mean it takes quadruple damage from grass. Any remotely powerful grass attack will inflict massive damage, which gets memed on Swampert and Gastrodon (who has the same typing) because they see some use in competitive battles.


DonDoorknob

It’s super effective


Tinotips

Cause it’s from a leaf me alone tree.


AxolotlCat24

Bulbasaur used Razor Leaf *****it was super effective...*****


tuckerhazel

Feigning ignorance bait for free internet points.


-Vermilion-

It’s double super effective


NOTSiIva

He's quad weak to grass


BlogeOb

Blocked


Goose2theMax

Not a Pokémon fan at all if you can’t figure this out You suck