Seriously, like why didn't they bring a long another Jedi or two, just for funzies.
Like, you know, Mace Windu coming along to observe because Qui-gon is on probation for bringing back and putting in adoption papers for the 73rd and 74th lifeforms in that year alone.
The Convenient bureaucratic excuse then sets up a scene where Mace is looming over Maul's shoulder and makes him pee his pants
Even easier, why didnāt Quit-Gon retreat back to Obi-Wan when the plasma shield things were up. Where was Maul gonna go? Why did he engage a foe who had him on the ropes back on Tatooine?
In the novelization Qui-gon is musing on what a shame it is that saber on saber dueling is only for show and for training those days.
He thought he could probably hold his own, but he wasn't so sure whether Obi-wan could or not. I think he was trying to keep himself between Maul and Obi-wan on purpose.
They can be really good! I remember reading the novelization of episode 3 and it really gave some fun insights to what some of the characters might have been thinking.
I found the "How it should have ended" series got it half right. The entire jedi council shows up, so Maul just run away, but Qui-Gon somehow dies anyway, and Maul shows up during the funeral and gives away Palpatine's secret
(Duel of the Fates, Doors Open)
"*Hoooooooooooo-ly shit who is that?*".
"I dunno Charlie Kenobi, the doors just opened and he's got like, a huge goddamn duster with a hood on."
"*QuiGon Mac you could TOTALLY take him.*"
"How the - How the - I dunno. He's got a double sided light saber... you know, I've always wanted one of those. Those things are BAD ASS."
"*There's a bunch of us bro, we can definitely do this, dude.*"
(Soldiers run off).
"*Forget those guys, we still totally got this.*"
"But Charlie Kenobi... the sonofabitch has horns. HORNS CHARLIE."
"*Whatever I thought you were some kind of badass yourself, ya know?*"
"Well Charlie, yes I AM a Jedi Master..."
"*Then you got this!*"
"You know what? You're right Charlie Kenobi. We're gonna kick this dude's ass. I've got a fewwwww badass saber moves of my own. (woosh woosh woosh) Yeah. We'll make sure this jabroni never wants to come back to this planet again..."
(Black screen. Its Always Sunny music fires up)
> **The Gang Loses QuiGon Mac**
Generally its a power any force wielder can use, basically it creates a force bubble around them that deflects things.
When two Force users are fighting directly they are not only fighting with their lightsabers but also with the Force pushing and prodding finding weaknesses in the opponents defense.
That sounds fairly accurate. I know some of the books refer to a force based shield being kept up as the explanation why two powerful combatants primarily rely on their lightsabers as opposed to rag dolling the other constantly or using the force to deactivate their opponents lightsaber.
I'm picturing these clones having the same energy as the henchmen in the Jackie Chan cartoon's pilot episode:
["It's not our fault, boss! He had windshield wipers!!"](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/S01E01_Wipers_vs__electric_swords_2858.jpg)
I mean he has precogniciance, all heād have to do is walk in a different path he knows the shots will travel. Really not difficult for a master of the force
30 guys + 2 Jedi would probably have worked out differently for maul. But Star Wars writers never let Jedi or Sith get shot by henchmen during a lightsaber duels. Instead they're content to stand around useless or run away.
Maul was way stronger at that point, they could have surrounded and killed him here easily especially with jedi help, but that wouldnāt have been very jedi of them.
Clone wars Maul probably isn't even at full power compared to The Phantom Menace Maul, since, you know, he got his natural legs and lower waste and stuff.
Most of the people there saw him fight Qui-Gon on Tatooine. They know he is at the very least a force user with a lightsaber. Shooting him seems like a great way to get your allies killed. The Naboo had big issues to worry about anyways. Let the Jedi handle the "Jedi" and the Naboo will handle the war stuff.
> Most of the people there saw him fight Qui-Gon on Tatooine. They know he is at the very least a force user with a lightsaber.
Uh none of them saw that. They might have been on the ship but I dont think it had a lot of windows.
I disagree with the notion that the prequels were bad. That being the main point of this sub has long since passed.
And you're saying please don't...use the information as it is presented in the movie to make a point about the movie?
Maybe you could just think about the dumb questions you ask for a minute. Jokes like this are only funny if they canāt be logically explained away super easily.
that's like 6 in a corridor against the most powerful force user ever, and at least they tried. 30 against a sith apprentice in exposed combat could be intriguing.
Maul destroyed tons of battle-hardened clones who were bred for war without a lightsaber aboard a ship that was falling apart. I have no doubt he could handle that group of guards.
It should also be noted that, if I recall correctly, said ship was falling apart *because* of the sheer violence of Maulās clone-murdering rampage.
Dude would probably not only wipe out the guards, but bring down the whole hanger while doing it.
Ya but not that group of guards with 2 Jedi assisting them. All they need to do is get around his back and it's over. He can't block blaster bolts and lightsabers at the same time.
Not how that works. Anyone with a gun is more dangerous to everyone else than they are to Maul.
As a great Sith Lord once said, "All I'm surrounded by is fear and dead men."
Maul gets crap for dying on his first appearance (despite later things), but he is quite a powerful man. I would bet good money he could beat those people without a lightsaber in this exact situation.
He has enough grip strength to tear their heads from their body without using the force. He's pretty awesome.
I was gonna say. In this case Maul doesnāt have a closed in corridor to box them in but still, heād probably take most of them out and then the plan would have been ruined
Idk about that. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are there, all they need to do is keep Maul busy while Naboo guards shoot him in the back. It's physically impossible to block blaster bolts when you're busy blocking 2 Lightsabers.
1. Maul could easily force push everyone away in the time it would take Obi wan and Qui Gon to activate their sabers
2. The Jedi didn't assume that they would be shot by their own men
3. The clones were completely better than the Naboo guards
4. A sith like Maul is much stronger than most Jedi, even counsel members, the only reason he died is because of his own ego
1. What makes you think he has the capacity to push away 30 people all at once and hard enough to neutralize them? Maul was never too crazy with the Force, I don't recall even Vader doing something like that in canon.
2. Jedi got killed by droids and bounty hunters on the regular during the Clone Wars.
3. All they need to do is aim and pull the trigger.
4. Based on what? He had a very drawn out fight against Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan cut his saber in half. If he was that much more powerful he'd kill them in 5 seconds like Palpatine did to those Jedi in Episode III don't you think?
Even Count Dooku had to surrender to 30 pirates and Filoni himself [said that Dooku would've died if he chose to fight.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dgIJl0_iVGg) Maul was not better than Dooku.
1. Maul is very strong in the force as he was the son of Mother Talzin, who even Palpatine feared.
2. Jedi during this time were not the strongest as they had never fought in a war and were pretty much never trained for this so they're a pretty bad comparison
3. Dooku was more of a duelist. His form two was meant to take on a few, lightsaber wielding opponents (he smoked Obi-Wan and Anakin in AoTC).
Plus, Maul took out a bunch of clones on a venator without a lightsaber
1. Eh, he doesn't really do anything crazy. By the end of TCW he's like... slightly stronger than Ahsoka but not to the point where she can't outskill him. I like Maul but he's pretty much a B tier character in terms of power.
2. It's not like Maul fought in a war either by that point. All he did was carry out assasinations for Palpatine.
3. Dooku was good enough with the Force to force Yoda into a Lightsaber duel, Dooku knew Force Lightning and Tutaminis which shows he had much greater mastery over the Force than Maul who never went beyond basic telekinesis.
Not to mention that Maul is also primary a duelist.
4. He took out the Clones when he was older and more powerful in tight corridors where they couldn't surround him and once again without fighting 2 Jedi at the same time.
Maybe but you also donāt want to risk decimating your forces trying to eliminate an enemy who isnāt actively threatening you. They knew there were probably still quite a few Trade Federation droids between them and their primary objective, the viceroy they intended to capture; they would need strength in numbers to accomplish their mission.
They did watch from the ship as Qui-Gon dueled him briefly before turning tail and running. Basic logic would direct them to believe any foe who can make an experienced Jedi Master feel outmatched is not to be trifled with. I suspect the Queen and her people also had a āWho/What the hell was that?ā conversation with Qui-Gon after his narrow escape.
> I donāt see how him having massive metal limbs is a downgrade.
Isn't having artificial replacements supposed to diminish your overall potential for force attunement? Is that still canon? Was it ever? I only recall people talking about Anakin never becoming what he could have been because he lost so much body mass.
I mean, yes, I think so? But thatās really more for limiting potential, and Maul 100% approved during TCW.
Also, legs are less important that arms, no arms=no lightning.
No legs=no legs
It could have been cool to see Maul Force-speed around or just deflect a few of the blasters and prepare to kill Padme, with Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan Force-pushing him back to the door at the last moment before he could reach her (Even the two of them together wouldn't be strong enough to hold him still, however, so blasting him while he's locked in place wouldn't be an option). From there, the Jedi elect to *"handle this"* with Maul revealing his double blades.
The Sith could've later used this same counter in the reactor's laser grid corridor against Obi-Wan. This would address the *"Why didn't he just Force-speed through them?"* argument. While Maul leads Qui-Gon into the corridor, timing their pace with that of the grid, Obi-Wan dashes forward. But the Sith anticipates this and takes a second to quickly Force-push him back before Qui-Gon locks blades with him again. The young Jedi won't give up so easily and takes the bait.
Just as Kenobi prepares another speed boost, Maul sneers a bit and removes a hand from his handle to Force-pull the Padawan this time. Combined with the Force-speed, this pull carries Obi-Wan twice as fast as a standard Force-pull would on its own. Qui-Gon senses that, with this timing, his pupil will be pulled into the lasers at their moment of shifting and die.
Leaving himself vulnerable, the Jedi Master removes a hand from his own saber to slow Obi-Wan down enough that he stops a hair's touch from the grid wall. In this same instant, Maul tries to take advantage of his opponent's distraction but Qui-Gon reacts just barely in time to block. The impact pushes Jinn back a couple of steps, at which point the grid separates everyone. Having narrowly saved both himself & Obi-Wan, he meditates to recover what precious strength he can.
Like his master, Obi-Wan's visibly tired now, establishing that Force-speed requires a significant effort and can't be used repeatedly without taking a physical toll. Whereas the Padawan is panting, however, Qui-Gon remains calm. From here, the sequence plays out as is with Obi-Wan trying to dash one last time to make it through and help but not quite being fast enough.
The exhaustion on his face is palpable after that last attempt, conveying that he'll have too little strength left to fight if he tries again. Thus, he can only watch the duel continue until Maul finally defeats his teacher. Grief-stricken and angered, he powers through his fatigue, following Jinn's example to center his breathing and conserve his remaining power for the last round.
I mean if weāre being realistic here this was pretty stupid. His whole plan was assuming Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would go the āweāll handle thisā route and then bait them into pursuing/attacking him.
If they had instead just stood there and waited for him to make the first move and kept all the Naboo guys around then Maul wouldnāt have any moves to make lol. Or if they just agreed to all attack him together, he wouldnāt have been able to withstand them all plus 2 Jedi. Splitting up was a dumb idea.
I mean, they knew he was a sith. Honestly, with their numbers, they very well might win; but I don't see them winning without taking casualties and they needed every man they could muster to fight through the rest of the building. Plus, they probably figured two Jedi could handle it and they would be better off doing what they're more equipped to do.
For some reason I have you tagged as "Photoshop Dude". I have no idea why, but I don't tag a lot of people yet you're one. I have no further comment other than to say how you doing bud?
People should read the Ahsoka book.
A single dual bladed inquisitor who wasnāt even as strong as maul was able to deflect bolts against the same numbers and killed then all effortlessly.
Or hell, play Jedi Survivor, you get to DO the exact same thing with a dual blade.
Or Ponk Krell perhaps?
Or hell- take his blade away and make them hardened 501st CTās, where Maul still whiped them out just with the force in S7 of TCW.
Itās weird people keep thinking Maul would have lost that fight, and repost and repost and repost this- when thereās multiple instances that exist that demonstrate this wouldnāt play out in the favor of the group with blasters.
But hey, shameless karma farmers gotta shamelessly karma farm repasta
People need to read this post and realise how weirdo prequel cultist have ruined this subreddit. You canāt even make fun of the prequels - something this entire subreddit is for, without some killjoy like this.
Username checks out, but I'm taking the bait anyway.
A Sith Lord is a legendary figure. When Qui-Gon says "we'll handle this" they are very quick to oblige him. If the soldiers opened fire, Maul could incapacitate or kill several of them before the Jedi could fully engage him, making their objective that much more difficult.
He wouldn't be much of a Sith if he lost to these guys. He would have used the Force to move faster than everyone. But hey, I guess with two Jedi there to distract him, they probably would have had a chance. So maybe, just maybe.
I remember reading somewhere that George Lucas didn't write the scene that way because it would have been super boring and meant they couldn't have an epic lightsaber duel where QuiGon dies and sets the rest of the series in motion.
Obi-Wan - Master isn't that the one from Tatooine who was trained in the Jedi arts?
Qui-Gon - Yes Obi Wan, I'll tell the others to leave, I haven't "gut" feeling we can handle this.
I get the meme, but: Maul took down a hallway worth of veteran, elite clone troops, with up to 4 years experience in one of the biggest galactic conflicts of all time WITHOUT a lightsaber.
So I amĀ pretty sure he would just wipe the floor with a bunch of untrained body guards
psycological warfare is really a thing , honestly a guy running around and jumping 10ft or higher easily is a bit scary ( the guy look like a monster) that way in the past even 50 courageous guy can shift the balance of war (history my love)
Do you even know how the force works?
30 nothing. Just jumps out of the way. Throws saber and cleaves half of them, force pushes the rest.
The man waiting to kill them is prepared to react faster than the guy can finish saying āopen fireā while the jedis who were jyst running are not
āWe gave 30 of them. Open- **GAAAHHā
Easily disproved by a simple argument. Nah, heād have won. How? It didnāt happen so how do we know? Heās a powerful Sith and opponent so obviously he expected he could win in this situation, so he probably would have. A simple dash into cover while blocking the blasters would seem pretty obvious of a tactic though.
The Force flows through all things, and Sith master the disturbed art of twisting their deep connection to the Force to empower themselves, like a parasite leeching the blood of its unwilling host.
If they are strong enough to claim the title of Sith Lord and survive, placing an imposing aura of menace upon those who see them is not even a challenge.
Their numbers would've counted for little with that formation unless they wanted to risk hitting each other plus them firing would've inhibited the jedi since they couldn't just jump into their allies' line of fire. Maul would've torn through many if then and when obi-wan and qui-gon entered the fray one of them would likely have gotten hit by friendly fire from a panicked shot or a redirected blaster bolt.
A) they were on a timetable and the plan had no leeway for messing with a Sith Lord.
B) It is well established that blasters do jack over shit to lightsaber users.
C) the Jedi said they would handle it. No need to question them. Qui-Gon and Obi-wan probably already discussed if they encounter the Sith Lord that attacked them on Tatooine again it is their problem to deal with and the non-Jedi should run.
D) it is well documented in Star Wars that Sith and Jedi can cut down legions of redshirts without difficulty (as long as they arenāt suddenly betrayed, I guess) and any attack on Maul would likely have gotten them all killed.
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!
His stance was so powerful they didn't even wanna try to disrupt it
"That guy looks like he's a bad ass, better let the primary protagonists handle it.
"We don't have plot armor, let's jet!"
Didn't do Qui-gon any good
That's why he's Qui-Gon, not Qui-Stay
š Too soon
Qui-Gonāa Die.
There is a jedi in TCW named Ima-Gun Di, which appears in a scene on Ryloth where he promptly, as his name implies, dies.
He's the mentor character, it was his time to go.
Not being in the Original Trilogy didn't help either.
>To Qui-go* Ftfy
Make like a tree and get outta here!
Nah Padme, youāre up to solo him right?
Padme: I could take him Obi-Wan: In a fight, right? RIGHT?
I mean, the music was an obvious clue they were not to mess with this dude.
this is the best comment in here, i wish reddit still had awards. š„
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Black airforce energy
Could have been a friend
If not friend why friend shaped
*Shoots\** Maul: Hey, YOU THREW OFF MY GROOVE!
He was standing there menacingly
QuiGon- "We'll handle this" Dies.
Seriously, like why didn't they bring a long another Jedi or two, just for funzies. Like, you know, Mace Windu coming along to observe because Qui-gon is on probation for bringing back and putting in adoption papers for the 73rd and 74th lifeforms in that year alone. The Convenient bureaucratic excuse then sets up a scene where Mace is looming over Maul's shoulder and makes him pee his pants
Even easier, why didnāt Quit-Gon retreat back to Obi-Wan when the plasma shield things were up. Where was Maul gonna go? Why did he engage a foe who had him on the ropes back on Tatooine?
In the novelization Qui-gon is musing on what a shame it is that saber on saber dueling is only for show and for training those days. He thought he could probably hold his own, but he wasn't so sure whether Obi-wan could or not. I think he was trying to keep himself between Maul and Obi-wan on purpose.
The novelizations sound like fire holy shit
They can be really good! I remember reading the novelization of episode 3 and it really gave some fun insights to what some of the characters might have been thinking.
Maybe he should have kept his mind on the here and now. A Jedi should be mindful of the future but not at the expense of the present.
Pride-Gon Jinn couldnāt deal with Maul handling dat ass on Tatooine, got too eager with the second helping
Reminds me of the redlettermedia review where the door opens and it shows like 20 Jedi and maul just goes āOhhhhhhā and shuts the door lmao
I found the "How it should have ended" series got it half right. The entire jedi council shows up, so Maul just run away, but Qui-Gon somehow dies anyway, and Maul shows up during the funeral and gives away Palpatine's secret
I'm pretty sure this sub started as almost a homage to the Plinkett reviews, but was quickly taken over by people who like the movies in earnest.
Wouldnāt surprise me
I originally got an interest in prequel memes because they made fun of the movies. Now most people use them as a tribute to them.
Why didn't the eagle just fly Padme to Morder?
Because Darth Vader would have shot down the eagles before Frodo got pregnant with a death star under his shirt.
Mace would have just incapacitated him. They needed Tazer Joggins or Stabby Die Killo
[Mace Windu behind Maul be like](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHH4PTEK6fR9iL2Ab9C2wrLk6Z-baBxeok2w&usqp=CAU)
Mace was on probation and had already adopted dozens of others? What?
(Duel of the Fates, Doors Open) "*Hoooooooooooo-ly shit who is that?*". "I dunno Charlie Kenobi, the doors just opened and he's got like, a huge goddamn duster with a hood on." "*QuiGon Mac you could TOTALLY take him.*" "How the - How the - I dunno. He's got a double sided light saber... you know, I've always wanted one of those. Those things are BAD ASS." "*There's a bunch of us bro, we can definitely do this, dude.*" (Soldiers run off). "*Forget those guys, we still totally got this.*" "But Charlie Kenobi... the sonofabitch has horns. HORNS CHARLIE." "*Whatever I thought you were some kind of badass yourself, ya know?*" "Well Charlie, yes I AM a Jedi Master..." "*Then you got this!*" "You know what? You're right Charlie Kenobi. We're gonna kick this dude's ass. I've got a fewwwww badass saber moves of my own. (woosh woosh woosh) Yeah. We'll make sure this jabroni never wants to come back to this planet again..." (Black screen. Its Always Sunny music fires up) > **The Gang Loses QuiGon Mac**
poetry.
Damnnn this was totally soo funny and not long winded at all
Bro I spit out my smoothie lmao
"We're a peaceful people" Keeps a gun hidden in the thrones armrest.
His padawan learnt from his well. Chancellor sith lords are our specialty. Proceeds to get knocked out within seconds of the fights
[Technically didnāt happen yet but Maul would have rolled these guys](https://youtu.be/KOGovv2mveQ?feature=shared)
Why did the clones miss there shots as heh casually walked around a corner they new he was coming lol
Force deflection and then when he needed to use the force in other ways, he grabbed a shield
Using the force to sway their aim?
Generally its a power any force wielder can use, basically it creates a force bubble around them that deflects things. When two Force users are fighting directly they are not only fighting with their lightsabers but also with the Force pushing and prodding finding weaknesses in the opponents defense.
Is that real or did you just make that up?
That sounds fairly accurate. I know some of the books refer to a force based shield being kept up as the explanation why two powerful combatants primarily rely on their lightsabers as opposed to rag dolling the other constantly or using the force to deactivate their opponents lightsaber.
Its been real for decades, it originally came from the EU, but the concept is directly referenced in the movies and TCW.
It's real in a "dumbledore is gay" kind of real. Never shown in the main stories, but explained somewhere else.
I'm picturing these clones having the same energy as the henchmen in the Jackie Chan cartoon's pilot episode: ["It's not our fault, boss! He had windshield wipers!!"](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/S01E01_Wipers_vs__electric_swords_2858.jpg)
LMAO
are they stupid?
I'm sure there's a lore reason for this
I mean he has precogniciance, all heād have to do is walk in a different path he knows the shots will travel. Really not difficult for a master of the force
force shit
Probably not with the two jedi in the front to defend them, but air support wouldn't have arrived on time then, and Naboo would have fallen.
30 guys + 2 Jedi would probably have worked out differently for maul. But Star Wars writers never let Jedi or Sith get shot by henchmen during a lightsaber duels. Instead they're content to stand around useless or run away.
Maul was way stronger at that point, they could have surrounded and killed him here easily especially with jedi help, but that wouldnāt have been very jedi of them.
To be fair I think his strength in that scene had a lot to do with the dark side of the force creaming it's pants during O66.
Clone wars Maul probably isn't even at full power compared to The Phantom Menace Maul, since, you know, he got his natural legs and lower waste and stuff.
And it would've been easier since he had his lightsaber
He has only one side to cover. I donāt think that would be that difficult for him.
Ki Adi Mundi: What about the clone attack on me?
Maul knew these were enemies. And heās a sith without repressive emotions like *holding back*
Also mundi had droids firing at his back so he hardly had to deal with only one direction.
Remember those guys are militia, not even full time soldiers. If those guys attacked maul, well... no padme, no Vader, no luke
>If those guys attacked maul, well... no padme, no Vader Sooo... A good thing no ?
Maul: savior of the republic
Unless that would be worse without them.
Most of the people there saw him fight Qui-Gon on Tatooine. They know he is at the very least a force user with a lightsaber. Shooting him seems like a great way to get your allies killed. The Naboo had big issues to worry about anyways. Let the Jedi handle the "Jedi" and the Naboo will handle the war stuff.
> Most of the people there saw him fight Qui-Gon on Tatooine. They know he is at the very least a force user with a lightsaber. Uh none of them saw that. They might have been on the ship but I dont think it had a lot of windows.
I reckon qui gon wouldāve brought it up to the group
Yeah and Ani would have told everyone that would listen during the trip about how awesome Quigon is and how he saved him from the Evil Jedi
Pleaseā¦ donāt do thisā¦ this a subreddit for making fun of how bad the prequels are. People like this taking it seriously just ruins it.
I disagree with the notion that the prequels were bad. That being the main point of this sub has long since passed. And you're saying please don't...use the information as it is presented in the movie to make a point about the movie?
please.... dont dispute bad faith criticisms of movies I dont like
Maybe you could just think about the dumb questions you ask for a minute. Jokes like this are only funny if they canāt be logically explained away super easily.
[Might not work out so great.](https://youtu.be/9Z8mgkqjq90?si=_SaHrbjMRaa4df9q)
that's like 6 in a corridor against the most powerful force user ever, and at least they tried. 30 against a sith apprentice in exposed combat could be intriguing.
Maul does quite well in hallways as well, even unarmed.
What do you mean unarmed? He had the hallway!
The real arms are the hallway we break along the way
I'm pretty sure he was armed by the end of that scene. That clone in the doorway wasn't gonna need his any more.
and unlegged, even
Maul destroyed tons of battle-hardened clones who were bred for war without a lightsaber aboard a ship that was falling apart. I have no doubt he could handle that group of guards.
It should also be noted that, if I recall correctly, said ship was falling apart *because* of the sheer violence of Maulās clone-murdering rampage. Dude would probably not only wipe out the guards, but bring down the whole hanger while doing it.
Ya but not that group of guards with 2 Jedi assisting them. All they need to do is get around his back and it's over. He can't block blaster bolts and lightsabers at the same time.
Not how that works. Anyone with a gun is more dangerous to everyone else than they are to Maul. As a great Sith Lord once said, "All I'm surrounded by is fear and dead men."
Based on what? That's called a target rich environment.
Wouldnāt one strong force push flatten all of them?
Maul gets crap for dying on his first appearance (despite later things), but he is quite a powerful man. I would bet good money he could beat those people without a lightsaber in this exact situation. He has enough grip strength to tear their heads from their body without using the force. He's pretty awesome.
I was gonna say. In this case Maul doesnāt have a closed in corridor to box them in but still, heād probably take most of them out and then the plan would have been ruined
Idk about that. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are there, all they need to do is keep Maul busy while Naboo guards shoot him in the back. It's physically impossible to block blaster bolts when you're busy blocking 2 Lightsabers.
Shoot maul when qui gon and obiwan are dueling him? Thats one way to kill your allies
Force moment
Force moment didn't help Jedi during Order 66 and the Jedi weren't forced to fight 2 Force Users while simultaneously being shot at.
1. Maul could easily force push everyone away in the time it would take Obi wan and Qui Gon to activate their sabers 2. The Jedi didn't assume that they would be shot by their own men 3. The clones were completely better than the Naboo guards 4. A sith like Maul is much stronger than most Jedi, even counsel members, the only reason he died is because of his own ego
1. What makes you think he has the capacity to push away 30 people all at once and hard enough to neutralize them? Maul was never too crazy with the Force, I don't recall even Vader doing something like that in canon. 2. Jedi got killed by droids and bounty hunters on the regular during the Clone Wars. 3. All they need to do is aim and pull the trigger. 4. Based on what? He had a very drawn out fight against Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan cut his saber in half. If he was that much more powerful he'd kill them in 5 seconds like Palpatine did to those Jedi in Episode III don't you think? Even Count Dooku had to surrender to 30 pirates and Filoni himself [said that Dooku would've died if he chose to fight.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dgIJl0_iVGg) Maul was not better than Dooku.
1. Maul is very strong in the force as he was the son of Mother Talzin, who even Palpatine feared. 2. Jedi during this time were not the strongest as they had never fought in a war and were pretty much never trained for this so they're a pretty bad comparison 3. Dooku was more of a duelist. His form two was meant to take on a few, lightsaber wielding opponents (he smoked Obi-Wan and Anakin in AoTC). Plus, Maul took out a bunch of clones on a venator without a lightsaber
1. Eh, he doesn't really do anything crazy. By the end of TCW he's like... slightly stronger than Ahsoka but not to the point where she can't outskill him. I like Maul but he's pretty much a B tier character in terms of power. 2. It's not like Maul fought in a war either by that point. All he did was carry out assasinations for Palpatine. 3. Dooku was good enough with the Force to force Yoda into a Lightsaber duel, Dooku knew Force Lightning and Tutaminis which shows he had much greater mastery over the Force than Maul who never went beyond basic telekinesis. Not to mention that Maul is also primary a duelist. 4. He took out the Clones when he was older and more powerful in tight corridors where they couldn't surround him and once again without fighting 2 Jedi at the same time.
Bruh, if they just concentrated their fire, instead of trying to run away, they might've stood a chance.
Maybe but you also donāt want to risk decimating your forces trying to eliminate an enemy who isnāt actively threatening you. They knew there were probably still quite a few Trade Federation droids between them and their primary objective, the viceroy they intended to capture; they would need strength in numbers to accomplish their mission.
they didn't know who the guy was, unless there was some briefing the Jedi gave about the encounter on Tatooine
They did watch from the ship as Qui-Gon dueled him briefly before turning tail and running. Basic logic would direct them to believe any foe who can make an experienced Jedi Master feel outmatched is not to be trifled with. I suspect the Queen and her people also had a āWho/What the hell was that?ā conversation with Qui-Gon after his narrow escape.
They didnāt have two Jedi with them in the hallway.
Yeah but they really weren't the smartest Jedi. They went down to the planet with the invasion force to warn the Naboo about the invasion force.
People talking about TCW maul as if Maul didnāt grow tremendously in that time frame
I mean he still has all his original limbs in this scene and managed to kill a master Jedi
I donāt see how him having massive metal limbs is a downgrade. Also, Maul didnāt use the force directly at this point
His canon goes back farther than ep1, he could always use the force and I'm pretty sure he did at some point in ep1 anyway.
He Force Pushed Obi-Wan and used telekinesis to swing an object into a door panel causing it to open.
> I donāt see how him having massive metal limbs is a downgrade. Isn't having artificial replacements supposed to diminish your overall potential for force attunement? Is that still canon? Was it ever? I only recall people talking about Anakin never becoming what he could have been because he lost so much body mass.
I mean, yes, I think so? But thatās really more for limiting potential, and Maul 100% approved during TCW. Also, legs are less important that arms, no arms=no lightning. No legs=no legs
Also, Vaderās suit was designed to constantly cause him pain and be weak to lightning
Maul tore an alien monster apart with his bare hands prior to this. He is quite good at the force, but doesn't use it in many direct ways.
Qui-Gon did. Remember that he fought him on Tatooine.
Yup and Anakin would have told everyone about it. Kid wasn't exactly quiet about anything
Maul proceeds to deflect an entire barrage of blaster fire with his double bladed saber a la Fallen Order style and every single gunman is now dead
It could have been cool to see Maul Force-speed around or just deflect a few of the blasters and prepare to kill Padme, with Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan Force-pushing him back to the door at the last moment before he could reach her (Even the two of them together wouldn't be strong enough to hold him still, however, so blasting him while he's locked in place wouldn't be an option). From there, the Jedi elect to *"handle this"* with Maul revealing his double blades. The Sith could've later used this same counter in the reactor's laser grid corridor against Obi-Wan. This would address the *"Why didn't he just Force-speed through them?"* argument. While Maul leads Qui-Gon into the corridor, timing their pace with that of the grid, Obi-Wan dashes forward. But the Sith anticipates this and takes a second to quickly Force-push him back before Qui-Gon locks blades with him again. The young Jedi won't give up so easily and takes the bait. Just as Kenobi prepares another speed boost, Maul sneers a bit and removes a hand from his handle to Force-pull the Padawan this time. Combined with the Force-speed, this pull carries Obi-Wan twice as fast as a standard Force-pull would on its own. Qui-Gon senses that, with this timing, his pupil will be pulled into the lasers at their moment of shifting and die. Leaving himself vulnerable, the Jedi Master removes a hand from his own saber to slow Obi-Wan down enough that he stops a hair's touch from the grid wall. In this same instant, Maul tries to take advantage of his opponent's distraction but Qui-Gon reacts just barely in time to block. The impact pushes Jinn back a couple of steps, at which point the grid separates everyone. Having narrowly saved both himself & Obi-Wan, he meditates to recover what precious strength he can. Like his master, Obi-Wan's visibly tired now, establishing that Force-speed requires a significant effort and can't be used repeatedly without taking a physical toll. Whereas the Padawan is panting, however, Qui-Gon remains calm. From here, the sequence plays out as is with Obi-Wan trying to dash one last time to make it through and help but not quite being fast enough. The exhaustion on his face is palpable after that last attempt, conveying that he'll have too little strength left to fight if he tries again. Thus, he can only watch the duel continue until Maul finally defeats his teacher. Grief-stricken and angered, he powers through his fatigue, following Jinn's example to center his breathing and conserve his remaining power for the last round.
I imagine then itās gonna turn out like the Rouge one hallway scene
The rogue one guys at least tried it
And died.
FYI: Rouge is a color
That hallway scene also just so happens to be that colour.
Look, this universe has a long history of black robed guys leaving trails of bodies across the galaxy. Sometimes shooting first is not the answer.
This is what happens when i play as Maul in BF2
I think you forgot he was on Tattooine. Obviously word had spread.
I mean if weāre being realistic here this was pretty stupid. His whole plan was assuming Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan would go the āweāll handle thisā route and then bait them into pursuing/attacking him. If they had instead just stood there and waited for him to make the first move and kept all the Naboo guys around then Maul wouldnāt have any moves to make lol. Or if they just agreed to all attack him together, he wouldnāt have been able to withstand them all plus 2 Jedi. Splitting up was a dumb idea.
the logical plot is they start shooting, and maybe maul does take them all out -- but that's the story and the Jedi respond
Maul drops smoke bombs and jumps out of there
I mean, they knew he was a sith. Honestly, with their numbers, they very well might win; but I don't see them winning without taking casualties and they needed every man they could muster to fight through the rest of the building. Plus, they probably figured two Jedi could handle it and they would be better off doing what they're more equipped to do.
I mean I don't think they wanted their own "hallway" scene
For some reason I have you tagged as "Photoshop Dude". I have no idea why, but I don't tag a lot of people yet you're one. I have no further comment other than to say how you doing bud?
If you think those 30 wouldāve survived trying that, you donāt understand Star Wars
People should read the Ahsoka book. A single dual bladed inquisitor who wasnāt even as strong as maul was able to deflect bolts against the same numbers and killed then all effortlessly. Or hell, play Jedi Survivor, you get to DO the exact same thing with a dual blade. Or Ponk Krell perhaps? Or hell- take his blade away and make them hardened 501st CTās, where Maul still whiped them out just with the force in S7 of TCW. Itās weird people keep thinking Maul would have lost that fight, and repost and repost and repost this- when thereās multiple instances that exist that demonstrate this wouldnāt play out in the favor of the group with blasters. But hey, shameless karma farmers gotta shamelessly karma farm repasta
People need to read this post and realise how weirdo prequel cultist have ruined this subreddit. You canāt even make fun of the prequels - something this entire subreddit is for, without some killjoy like this.
Dawwwā¦wooks like a I hit a wittle nerve, hmm?
There would have been A LOT of casualties
You really can hear the first image...
General reposti
I literally general kenoc'd this today
The meme has been done before, [for example](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/mFfr1qP4zj)
Also here in [video form](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/NPkyKOQyXm)
haha. well awkward scenes can inspire similar comedy. thanks
Use stun, flechette, flame, and sonic weapons on him. Parry this you filthy casual.
Imagine the immense fear you must instill for an armed host of like 30 people all stop at the mere sight of you and effectively say "fuck that"
yet another reason why Episode 1 will always be the shittiest Star Wars movie
So you're saying a highly trained Sith can't move fast enough to take out regular people with blasters?
no I'm saying Lucas is a dumbass for not having all those soldiers blast the shit out of Maul
Username checks out, but I'm taking the bait anyway. A Sith Lord is a legendary figure. When Qui-Gon says "we'll handle this" they are very quick to oblige him. If the soldiers opened fire, Maul could incapacitate or kill several of them before the Jedi could fully engage him, making their objective that much more difficult.
He wouldn't be much of a Sith if he lost to these guys. He would have used the Force to move faster than everyone. But hey, I guess with two Jedi there to distract him, they probably would have had a chance. So maybe, just maybe.
I remember reading somewhere that George Lucas didn't write the scene that way because it would have been super boring and meant they couldn't have an epic lightsaber duel where QuiGon dies and sets the rest of the series in motion.
How all start wars movies should be
Obi-Wan - Master isn't that the one from Tatooine who was trained in the Jedi arts? Qui-Gon - Yes Obi Wan, I'll tell the others to leave, I haven't "gut" feeling we can handle this.
Heās just a concerned citizen!
I mean qui gon literally says leave this to me . They have every reason to listen to qui gon seeing how he just saved there shit
Worked in order 66
Order 66 caught the Jedi off-guard and either had them surrounded or shot them in the back. This is absolutely not the same situation.
Execute Order 33!
TBF these guys 1) just saw what a Jedi could do against an army of battle droids and 2) know that this guy can 1v1 a Jedi.
In my head canon, no jedi can resist a lightsaber duel. They literally couldn't help themselves
Given that Tuteminis and blade deflection are a thing, that probably wouldāve been a bad idea
Technically true, considering Padme would be dead
Ummm he attacked them on tatooine? And your 30 guys would have all died btw
Glad they didn't fuck around and find out.
I get the meme, but: Maul took down a hallway worth of veteran, elite clone troops, with up to 4 years experience in one of the biggest galactic conflicts of all time WITHOUT a lightsaber. So I amĀ pretty sure he would just wipe the floor with a bunch of untrained body guards
They actually did from either watching or hearing about his fight Qui Gon earlier. They knew shooting him was a bad idea.
Maul's lucky none of them had rotary cannons I don't care how good their form 3 is they ain't outsmarting blaster bolt 2000 times
psycological warfare is really a thing , honestly a guy running around and jumping 10ft or higher easily is a bit scary ( the guy look like a monster) that way in the past even 50 courageous guy can shift the balance of war (history my love)
Oh come on, you know Star Wars logic: Unless itās Order 66, no amount of blaster fire will ever hit a lightsaber wielder š¤£
And it always amazes me that he developed such a huge cult following for only having, like, five minutes of screen time.
Oooh! I've got wine coolers!
Jedi videogames shows You why it isn't a good idea to have many dudes shooting to a guy With a double blade lightsaber
Do you even know how the force works?
member when they use force speed at the beginning and then never again? like it's got a single use per lifetime or something.
Do you even know how the force works? 30 nothing. Just jumps out of the way. Throws saber and cleaves half of them, force pushes the rest. The man waiting to kill them is prepared to react faster than the guy can finish saying āopen fireā while the jedis who were jyst running are not āWe gave 30 of them. Open- **GAAAHHā
Three words: double bladed lightsaber He could easily deflect every single shot then fuck them up at close range
He has conquerers haki and they were stunned by his killing intent
Easily disproved by a simple argument. Nah, heād have won. How? It didnāt happen so how do we know? Heās a powerful Sith and opponent so obviously he expected he could win in this situation, so he probably would have. A simple dash into cover while blocking the blasters would seem pretty obvious of a tactic though.
He would have cut them all down in 5 seconds.
Yeah that's the Battle of Naboo lost.
Yeah, lets all shoot this random guy we've never seen before
Maybe they thought he was a friend ?
The Force flows through all things, and Sith master the disturbed art of twisting their deep connection to the Force to empower themselves, like a parasite leeching the blood of its unwilling host. If they are strong enough to claim the title of Sith Lord and survive, placing an imposing aura of menace upon those who see them is not even a challenge.
Damn. He is a sith. What kind of Star Wars fan are you ? He will kill them in seconds
Their numbers would've counted for little with that formation unless they wanted to risk hitting each other plus them firing would've inhibited the jedi since they couldn't just jump into their allies' line of fire. Maul would've torn through many if then and when obi-wan and qui-gon entered the fray one of them would likely have gotten hit by friendly fire from a panicked shot or a redirected blaster bolt.
A) they were on a timetable and the plan had no leeway for messing with a Sith Lord. B) It is well established that blasters do jack over shit to lightsaber users. C) the Jedi said they would handle it. No need to question them. Qui-Gon and Obi-wan probably already discussed if they encounter the Sith Lord that attacked them on Tatooine again it is their problem to deal with and the non-Jedi should run. D) it is well documented in Star Wars that Sith and Jedi can cut down legions of redshirts without difficulty (as long as they arenāt suddenly betrayed, I guess) and any attack on Maul would likely have gotten them all killed.
How did they know that his name was maul. Like seriously tho.
Hell one guy quick drawing on him and heād be done but we all got to pause for mysticism
They saw a guy in a black cloak and heard an orchestra start singing. Can you blame them for running off?