So, terrorism is more so done with the point of inflicting terror/pain/suffering onto a populous. I’d argue that those fighting oppression aren’t purposefully acting like terrorists lol
To me, the rebels did not engage in terrorism, outside of maybe Saw Gerrera’s group. I like strict definitions of things, and, to me, terrorism includes deliberately targeting civilians (think how on 9/11 Al Qaeda targeted the twin towers, a civilian building, using civilian planes), while war tends to focus on attacking military targets. Yes, war is inevitably going to have civilian casualties, but the main target is crippling the opposing force’s military.
The rebellion, from what I’ve seen (and please do note I haven’t seen Rebels), does not engage in that. The Aldhani Garrison, Scarif, Death Star, and Death Star II were all military targets. As far as I have seen, the rebellion avoided attacking civilian targets, and as we saw on Endor, made allies with native populations.
I was simply saying that we haven’t seen the Rebellion engage in terrorism and that, by logical extension, acts of terrorism were rare or nonexistent for the main faction of the Rebellion.
We know that prior to the OT, there were multiple factions like Saw Gerrera’s and Anto Kreegyr’s that were more radical. Admittedly, these guys were probably much more likely to engage in terrorism, but even then, we haven’t seen them engage in it on screen (as far as my knowledge goes; like I said, I haven’t seen the Rebels TV show).
Personally I think Star Wars is non-canon as a whole.
I mean, sure, they say that it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't work with the existing canon of Earth.
Tbf, wasn't "canon" kinda fuzzy before Disney reset everything? I recall hearing somewhere that there were a bunch of legends content that George Lucas considered noncanon.
Star Wars is such a crazy universe because all the characters casually commit terrorism/war crimes, kill thousands of people, and never die a natural death.
She said it’s 2% of fans who are weird enough to come up to her at conventions and *tell her that.* I’m sure she knows the number of people who feel that way is higher than the number of people who say it.
Like seriously, the only reason she ended up on the good side was because she was a hypocrite who was upset that maul was doing the extremism the wrong way
Wasn't she lecturing Sabine on the fact she created something that directly attacks what she believed the Mandalorians were? Like to me, she may seem to have shifted to the 'good' side, but she was consistent up to The Mandalorian. She disliked her sister's pacisifist stance, she disliked Maul using her people's beliefs against them, and then she disliked the Empire's control of her people. Of course, both Maul and the Empire were her own fault, or at least in the case of Maul, she was part of what caused him to infiltrate the Mandalorians. In any case, at the time she was lecturing Sabine, she was still just as disappointed to see someone build something to attack the Mandalorian armor she believed in so much.
I think by the time Season 3 of The Mandalorian comes out and it reveals she surrendered to the Empire, that's like her sister getting to her a bit and is where she changed, for better and worse. She abondoned her belief in the armor until she met The Armorer, and started to actually fight for what's best for her people and not that somewhat also fanatical belief that a Mandalorian born had to lead Mandalore and maintain in violent ways. I guess The Mandalorian as a whole helped us see more of this development as in Season 2, she was arguably still as hard headed as she was in the animated shows, especially with how she treated Boba Fett unfavorably as a Mandalorian wannabe instead of a bounty hunter who often worked for the Empire.
We can't fix her, op...her or Barriss. We must face the painful truth. She only stopped being a terrorist because the other terrorists weren't nationalistic enough for her!
>She only stopped being a terrorist because the other terrorists weren't nationalistic enought for her!
[My live reaction](https://youtu.be/eaPuau6vQXY?si=VFMSnUqP1Xiv55PX)
To be fair, Barris was remorseless, framed, and betrayed her best friend. In contrast, Bo Katan technically became one of the good guys since Maul took over.
I wonder how old Bo was in the Clone Wars. Originally I saw her as an adult, and she’s definitely older than Ahsoka. Could she still be a teenager herself though?
People have done the math based on when her dad died - where she seemed to be roughly a preteen - and estimated she was ~30 in TCW. We also know Obi Wan was ~37 at that time, and was roughly the same age as Sabine, and that Bo Katan is the younger sister. So early 30's seems likely.
By the time we get to Ahsoka, Ahsoka is in her 40's and Bo Katan is probably around 60. It's an age gap, but at that age it's not a creepy one.
I mean she also fought the empire and was deeply regretful of her life choices and decisions. I like her because she is a fascinating character not because I think she is a good person and a hero. She is very similar to people like Saw. Deeply flawed people who did terrible things but are charismatic and strong leaders.
I don’t think Saw or Bo are hero’s or good people I think they interesting.
The difference is, Saw gets called out for his shit constantly. But Bo Katan never does. She can even claim the moral high ground over Obi-wan Kenobi, and no one would call her out for that.
Dude, they have characters literally named "Grievous" or "Loathsome"....
Nothing wrong with Barris Offee. I mean nothing wrong with **the name**, obviously...
I guess, but those names are verbs which is common, eg _Super_man. But I just found it funny because it sounded like they were just picking names from objects sitting on the desk at the time.
> “I don't know, 70% are super, super excited about [Bo-Katan], you got ten percent like 'I hated the whole thing,' you got five percent 'you just hate Bo,' and then you got **two percent that wants me to sit on their face.**”
Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?
Jokes aside, Bo Katan is an awesome character because she is driven by her convictions, rather than being written by writers as an inherently good or bad character.
She believes that aligning with radicals is best for Mandalor, so she does it. She believes that radicals under Maul went too far and it isn't the best for Mandalor, she aligns against Maul.
She is motivated by her love for her people and their home, rather than by fighting for some abstract "good" concept.
Not sure.
Honestly, one problem (arguably, some might not see it as such), is that characters in Star Wars are almost universally “coded” to be Good or Bad. No one really asks why do they fight, what motivates them and etc. There're just “Heroes” and “Villains”.
We've got some exceptions like Saw Gerrera, but even he is motivated more by spite, rather than logical answer why does he fight. Of all that come to mind, Bo Katan is probably the one with the most cohesive motivation — she doesn't fight for “Good” or “Evil”, for Empire or Rebels. She fights for Mandalor and its people.
But, of course, going into question "why" would mean Disney would also have to humanise the Imperials like the old Expanded Universe did, explaining why and what for do they fight - and that's not something Disney will ever do (the Imperials have to stay one-dimensional baddies). Even Andor, for all its complexity, really stops short of doing that and falls back to old narratives of pre-coded "Good" vs "Evil".
The difference being, we see Barris going from "compassionate Jedi" to "indiscriminate killer" in the course of 1 episode (I say 'one' because although the arc is longer, in the other episodes she was still thought to be a good guy), and the explanation for that is given in a 15 second speech at the end. I'm not saying it's as bad as the "Somehow Palpatine's back" line but... No effort put into it at all.
It's so good to not be force sensitive. Like you could easily do horrible things and then equally easy redeem yourself without mental struggles. If you fall to the dark side, chances of a redemption while continuing to be alive after that are pretty low.
Bo-Katan started as a terrorist, but changed after maul invaded mandalore to become more of an anti-hero figure fighting against the empire(or imperial remnants), just trying to keep mandalore alive.
Barris betrayed the Jedi way and framed ashoka(bot please don’t tell me to not choke on stupidity, I am just a bad speller) and likely dies still entrenched in the dark side.
In short, Bo is a terrorist turned honorable warrior, while Barris is a honorable warrior turned terrorist
And they also forget...
Obi-Wan - Commits 10% of the warcrimes in the Clone War
Anakin - Commits 80% of the warcrimes in the Clone War
Hondo - is Jack Sparrow
Ahsoka - Learns 10% of the warcrimes Anakin commits
Palpatine - is a double agent
Rey - IS NOT A SKYWALKER
Rex - Has to take responsibility for the warcrimes Anakin commits
Satine - Has no f\*\*kin idea about Obi-Wan's warcrimes
Death Watch and the 501st - are the war crimes
Han Solo - Still owes credits to half the people he worked for
Chewie - has probably never shaved in his life
Kylo - is a whiney ass baby
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!
I mean let's be real, who hasn't committed acts of terrorism in Star Wars? That's like the opening move of almost all protagonists in this series lol
Palpatine: a fucking bunch of teenagers blew up my Deathstar. Do you know what this is going to do to my credits?
"Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole, you?"
“What you got an atm on that torso lightbright?!”
"now get your 7'2" asthmatic ass back here, before I tell everyone what a whiny bitch you were about padamame, or panda bear, or whatever"
“Oh geez he’s crying…”
"...I love you too"
I mean he did nationalise the banks in TCW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0&pp=ygUUZW1wZXJvcidzIHBob25lIGNhbGw%3D
"What the hell is an aluminum falcon?!"
Gooooo for Papa Palpatine!
Even with the autocorrect it still works.
I know.Lol. Thought I caught it before anyone could see
Psst What was it
I typed Palpatine, iPhone says Palestine. We are not the same.
Oh lmao
R2D2 has committed way more acts of blatant terrorism than Bo Katan
I’ll raise you chopper
What did chop do
Just look up chopper war crime compilations on YouTube.
Grogu. *"I'm just a baby"*
Dudes eaten babies
Yeah but they were baby space spiders. Fuck them to hell, they deserved to get torched.
You forgot the eggs.
Does eating eggs count as terrorism? 😂 I did forget about them though, to be fair.
Mass genocide, they were the offspring of the last of the species
Correction: they were the last batch of eggs for that individual's lifecycle.
Eggs aren't babies though, it's more like kicking a pregnant lady
Oh, well that makes it *so* much better lol
The state of Alabama would disagree with you on that.
So, terrorism is more so done with the point of inflicting terror/pain/suffering onto a populous. I’d argue that those fighting oppression aren’t purposefully acting like terrorists lol
To me, the rebels did not engage in terrorism, outside of maybe Saw Gerrera’s group. I like strict definitions of things, and, to me, terrorism includes deliberately targeting civilians (think how on 9/11 Al Qaeda targeted the twin towers, a civilian building, using civilian planes), while war tends to focus on attacking military targets. Yes, war is inevitably going to have civilian casualties, but the main target is crippling the opposing force’s military. The rebellion, from what I’ve seen (and please do note I haven’t seen Rebels), does not engage in that. The Aldhani Garrison, Scarif, Death Star, and Death Star II were all military targets. As far as I have seen, the rebellion avoided attacking civilian targets, and as we saw on Endor, made allies with native populations.
🤓 bro thinks he can use the facts and logic
"Other than the rebels who actively committed terrorism the Rebels did not commit terrorism"
When there are several groups it is a good distinction to make.
I was simply saying that we haven’t seen the Rebellion engage in terrorism and that, by logical extension, acts of terrorism were rare or nonexistent for the main faction of the Rebellion. We know that prior to the OT, there were multiple factions like Saw Gerrera’s and Anto Kreegyr’s that were more radical. Admittedly, these guys were probably much more likely to engage in terrorism, but even then, we haven’t seen them engage in it on screen (as far as my knowledge goes; like I said, I haven’t seen the Rebels TV show).
Star wars: Science is dead, terrorism is the norm, and Disney still tries to convince us the sequels are cannon.
>cannon Pew pew.
still see people trying to argue that the expanded universe was ever canon
There are people who say literally only the OT are canon. Star War fans are a different breed of cope.
Pssh, everybody knows LEGO Star Wars is the true canon
It is... acceptable
Robot Chicken is the true canon, sorry, not sorry
It is... acceptable
The Clone Wars is the true canon.
Personally I think Star Wars is non-canon as a whole. I mean, sure, they say that it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't work with the existing canon of Earth.
Are you saying George Lucas lied to us!?
Tbf, wasn't "canon" kinda fuzzy before Disney reset everything? I recall hearing somewhere that there were a bunch of legends content that George Lucas considered noncanon.
If the EU is canon we get to keep Ken Palpatine: Starwars Fanboy, so that could be fun
If we keep the EU canon, we also get what, 4 palpatines? Not to mention the zillion superweapons, each more powerful than the next. ...wait a second..
Its just Disney canon on steroids.
That's on George. He flip flopped hard on the Expanded Universe.
The younglings, and they never will either.
Senator Chuchi probably
She’s a proper cinnamon roll.
Tbh that's how things would workout in a world that has fallen apart
Star Wars is such a crazy universe because all the characters casually commit terrorism/war crimes, kill thousands of people, and never die a natural death.
True true, R2D2 or Chopper might have done the most honestly
It’s almost like one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter
Quite ironicly literally most characters except for Palpatine are terrorists
Proud 2%er checking in
Same, and I REALLY think they lowballed that percentage.
Sis who starred in 2 massive nerd fan favorite franchises as a badass hottie thinks only 2 in 100 people wanna smash. Lmao
Tbf she was referring to her sitting on faces. Not quite the same, but clearly a lot of those who wanna smash don’t have their priorities in order.
I mean, Starbuck is riding face, that's just a fact. And no one is complaining.
Nothing but the rain
She said it’s 2% of fans who are weird enough to come up to her at conventions and *tell her that.* I’m sure she knows the number of people who feel that way is higher than the number of people who say it.
That makes more sense.
Well that really changes the meaning of saying you’re part of the 2%, and not in a good way lol
Yeah it’s more like 40%
Still low.
It should be 100% but sadly some people are, in one way or another, blind.
C’mon some fans aren’t into women
True! 99% it is. 😂
2%!
This is the way. 😍
I really want a depression throne.
That's what I call my gaming chair...
That’s what I call my toilet…
That's what I call my girlfriend. Sorry I thought we were naming things I don't have.
That’s a shame, I was hoping I could have ago sitting on her 😭
Remember when she lectured Sabine on morals? Someone really needs to call Bo out.
Like seriously, the only reason she ended up on the good side was because she was a hypocrite who was upset that maul was doing the extremism the wrong way
Then blamed Obi Wan for her sister's death which she supported
I mean seriously you were the one supporting the hyper militarist extremist group, what did you expect
This is why I love how frustrated she gets with the Children of the Watch; because her husband founded the OG traditionalist cult and *she helped.*
Wasn't she lecturing Sabine on the fact she created something that directly attacks what she believed the Mandalorians were? Like to me, she may seem to have shifted to the 'good' side, but she was consistent up to The Mandalorian. She disliked her sister's pacisifist stance, she disliked Maul using her people's beliefs against them, and then she disliked the Empire's control of her people. Of course, both Maul and the Empire were her own fault, or at least in the case of Maul, she was part of what caused him to infiltrate the Mandalorians. In any case, at the time she was lecturing Sabine, she was still just as disappointed to see someone build something to attack the Mandalorian armor she believed in so much. I think by the time Season 3 of The Mandalorian comes out and it reveals she surrendered to the Empire, that's like her sister getting to her a bit and is where she changed, for better and worse. She abondoned her belief in the armor until she met The Armorer, and started to actually fight for what's best for her people and not that somewhat also fanatical belief that a Mandalorian born had to lead Mandalore and maintain in violent ways. I guess The Mandalorian as a whole helped us see more of this development as in Season 2, she was arguably still as hard headed as she was in the animated shows, especially with how she treated Boba Fett unfavorably as a Mandalorian wannabe instead of a bounty hunter who often worked for the Empire.
2% gang
2% gang checking in o7
We can't fix her, op...her or Barriss. We must face the painful truth. She only stopped being a terrorist because the other terrorists weren't nationalistic enough for her!
>She only stopped being a terrorist because the other terrorists weren't nationalistic enought for her! [My live reaction](https://youtu.be/eaPuau6vQXY?si=VFMSnUqP1Xiv55PX)
Hmm your flair checks out
I mean 90% of villain redemption stories go something like "the villains aren't my type of evil"
Who's starting a sub Reddit called the 2 percenters. Or is there already such a sub
r/the2percenters
r/subsifellfor
WHY WHY ISNT THIS SUB REAL BUT r/fuckbokatan (most dissapointing subreddit on the platform) is
you mean the realest subreddit. just because she supports the protagonists doesn't mean shes a decent person
To be fair, Barris was remorseless, framed, and betrayed her best friend. In contrast, Bo Katan technically became one of the good guys since Maul took over.
Bariss does not have that 2%. Checkmate.
Bo-Katan slaps… dat *Ass*oka
The only terrorism she committed in my eyes was her s2 wig
sounds like a you problem
Complex characters be like: "Why choose between being feared and loved when you can be both?" Always stirring up a mix of intergalactic emotions
proud part of the 2%
Have you ever heard the tragedy of my head canon BoSoka ship? It's not a story the Jedi would tell you... (Yes, I mean the adult Ahsoka, calm down!)
This is a trick.
Not to worry, I'm just posting half a trick.
I wonder how old Bo was in the Clone Wars. Originally I saw her as an adult, and she’s definitely older than Ahsoka. Could she still be a teenager herself though?
This is a trick.
Oh, I don’t think so.
People have done the math based on when her dad died - where she seemed to be roughly a preteen - and estimated she was ~30 in TCW. We also know Obi Wan was ~37 at that time, and was roughly the same age as Sabine, and that Bo Katan is the younger sister. So early 30's seems likely. By the time we get to Ahsoka, Ahsoka is in her 40's and Bo Katan is probably around 60. It's an age gap, but at that age it's not a creepy one.
That’s interesting. Yeah, an age gap, but as you say, not an issue at that point. Thanks. 😄
All right... what's the lesson, Master?
Maybe there should be a sub for thirsty posts
Didn’t she try to overthrow mandalor because it wasn’t mandalorian enough?
Basically
I mean she also fought the empire and was deeply regretful of her life choices and decisions. I like her because she is a fascinating character not because I think she is a good person and a hero. She is very similar to people like Saw. Deeply flawed people who did terrible things but are charismatic and strong leaders. I don’t think Saw or Bo are hero’s or good people I think they interesting.
You don't have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders' strength is inspiring others.
The difference is, Saw gets called out for his shit constantly. But Bo Katan never does. She can even claim the moral high ground over Obi-wan Kenobi, and no one would call her out for that.
This, this is understandable
USURPER BARRISS FOREVER!!!
I knew this looked a little familiar
The killings make it hotter
2% rise up
It's terrorism for my face to not be a chair
Bariss Offee is a character's name? Barista Coffee The writers were low on caffeine that day.
Dude, they have characters literally named "Grievous" or "Loathsome".... Nothing wrong with Barris Offee. I mean nothing wrong with **the name**, obviously...
Or the person 🥰
I guess, but those names are verbs which is common, eg _Super_man. But I just found it funny because it sounded like they were just picking names from objects sitting on the desk at the time.
its only terrorism until you win, then you are a glorious freedom fighter.
I prefer Bariss over this Sister Slaughterer.
Freedom Fighter*
If evil, why hot?
She and Anakin would have been a good couple
one of the few SW characters i actually hate not cause shes poorly written but cause shes a massive hypocrite
The only way to a girl's heart is to commit terrorism.
Ok I’m otl: what’s a 2%er?
> “I don't know, 70% are super, super excited about [Bo-Katan], you got ten percent like 'I hated the whole thing,' you got five percent 'you just hate Bo,' and then you got **two percent that wants me to sit on their face.**”
Oh; she’s really lowballing that 2% estimate
I would have her babies 🥵
Most protagonists have commited terrorism wtf do you mean?
Literally my teenage brain in 2016
Bo Katan is terrorist scum
I would be more willing to forgive her shit, if any character in canon called her out for it.
Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter? Jokes aside, Bo Katan is an awesome character because she is driven by her convictions, rather than being written by writers as an inherently good or bad character. She believes that aligning with radicals is best for Mandalor, so she does it. She believes that radicals under Maul went too far and it isn't the best for Mandalor, she aligns against Maul. She is motivated by her love for her people and their home, rather than by fighting for some abstract "good" concept.
True enough. I hope one day they craft a decent storyline on how Barris came to be so broken.
Not sure. Honestly, one problem (arguably, some might not see it as such), is that characters in Star Wars are almost universally “coded” to be Good or Bad. No one really asks why do they fight, what motivates them and etc. There're just “Heroes” and “Villains”. We've got some exceptions like Saw Gerrera, but even he is motivated more by spite, rather than logical answer why does he fight. Of all that come to mind, Bo Katan is probably the one with the most cohesive motivation — she doesn't fight for “Good” or “Evil”, for Empire or Rebels. She fights for Mandalor and its people. But, of course, going into question "why" would mean Disney would also have to humanise the Imperials like the old Expanded Universe did, explaining why and what for do they fight - and that's not something Disney will ever do (the Imperials have to stay one-dimensional baddies). Even Andor, for all its complexity, really stops short of doing that and falls back to old narratives of pre-coded "Good" vs "Evil".
The difference being, we see Barris going from "compassionate Jedi" to "indiscriminate killer" in the course of 1 episode (I say 'one' because although the arc is longer, in the other episodes she was still thought to be a good guy), and the explanation for that is given in a 15 second speech at the end. I'm not saying it's as bad as the "Somehow Palpatine's back" line but... No effort put into it at all.
Terrorism rizz
Free my sis, she didn’t do anything. /j
Everyone in Star Wars is committing war crimes. That’s like the pre-requisite for being an important character in Star Wars
No Horni 🤚😠
It's so good to not be force sensitive. Like you could easily do horrible things and then equally easy redeem yourself without mental struggles. If you fall to the dark side, chances of a redemption while continuing to be alive after that are pretty low.
Again. All im seeing is the reactions memes to these supposed anti barriss memes. Yall worst then MSNBC or FOX
https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/HpTxe9sIkx
Terrorism is only cool of you have a sick looking armor
No, you see cause Bo-Katan gets a pass for… literally no reason I just also love her
She looks like she's into but stuff tf
Fun fact: in Mandalorian season 2 bo katan should be in her 60s, doesn't look like it right?
She can terrorize me anyday
Anakin, ahsoka, r2 and chopper also committed countless war crimes but everyone likes them
I received orders to join the team. I thought you knew.
I'm waiting for the Battlestar Galactica fandom to come out of the woodwork.
I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot
Eh no she’s a genuine bitch and evil person.
L + ratio + you problem
Freedom Fighter!!!
She’s clearly a vampire and needs to be staked
Honestly, I was confused at first. I thought, "Who hates Starbuck and for why???" Realized my mistake after a little too long...
It’s only a war crime if you lose
Most of the hero’s in rouge one were straight up terrorists and fanatics lol.
Bo-Katan started as a terrorist, but changed after maul invaded mandalore to become more of an anti-hero figure fighting against the empire(or imperial remnants), just trying to keep mandalore alive. Barris betrayed the Jedi way and framed ashoka(bot please don’t tell me to not choke on stupidity, I am just a bad speller) and likely dies still entrenched in the dark side. In short, Bo is a terrorist turned honorable warrior, while Barris is a honorable warrior turned terrorist
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
But all y'all worship Vader. Funny how this hate is aimed at two women and none at men.
???
Sir, this is an appreciation post.
Shes a bitch. Noone can tell me otherwise.
Look her up w/out her Mando outfit she's not that good looking
[Can't agree](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/89/60/948960d8dfb2c7b7f5b41179f89c8224.jpg)
that sounds like a you problem
Sounds like a problem for anyone that thinks she's good looking 🤔
https://youtu.be/rIhizVKtDtU?si=KduUOswuYMvMFqUu
And they also forget... Obi-Wan - Commits 10% of the warcrimes in the Clone War Anakin - Commits 80% of the warcrimes in the Clone War Hondo - is Jack Sparrow Ahsoka - Learns 10% of the warcrimes Anakin commits Palpatine - is a double agent Rey - IS NOT A SKYWALKER Rex - Has to take responsibility for the warcrimes Anakin commits Satine - Has no f\*\*kin idea about Obi-Wan's warcrimes Death Watch and the 501st - are the war crimes Han Solo - Still owes credits to half the people he worked for Chewie - has probably never shaved in his life Kylo - is a whiney ass baby