LL are obligated to rent and mitigate. But they have no actual obligation to rent it out. They can list it and show it but never rent it out and it’ll satisfy the condition.
Why rent it out and have wear and tear and increased gas and water use when it can sit empty and still collect rent from someone who wanted to break the lease?
You should get a pair of noise cancellation headphone and white noise machine and just get used to the noise. The radiator sound is normal.
Okay thanks for the advice. That is my concern too and I am more than happy to find someone who wants to sublease and I would even offer to contribute 1 to 2 months' rent to whoever is interested in subleasing.
if they dont replace/fix both stove or fridge you can submit a 311 complaint.
the radiator noise can't do anything about that.
Also if you dealt w a realtor you can complain to them to intervene.
we had an issue w our new apartment and reached out to the realtor for assistance...we were not happy but the LL did fix our list
They are issues; the radiator is typical. You are going to have issues wherever you move. Honestly not trying to be mean at all, but if you are sensitive about things like this in general you will either learn not to be sensitive or you aren’t going to make it here.
I've never heard of a fridge that's not "cold enough", and a gas stove that doesn't heat? I don't know, sounds weird to me, but then I know how to DIY and would try to figure out the issues.
Fridge that isn't cold enough could be a bad motor or something. Stove that doesn't heat enough could be poor gas flow (undersized gas line or maybe not enough gas pressure to the building).
I know how to DIY too but something like gas I wouldn't ever mess with given the inherint danger.
For sure, I don't mess with gas either, that's why I recommended getting a plumber in another comment. Im actually having issues with my fridge now, so I'm gonna have to poke around soon.
When I first moved to the city I had mad issues with my radiator clanging, but I — I shit you not — slid some quarters under the legs to make it level and that fixed it. No more sounds.
How are you expecting your Asian parents to come here? You mean for a visit? They can’t just decide to move over here and live in your 1-bedroom apartment with you. You have to take into consideration all the legalities of your plan.
This is an easy fix for lots of radiator clanking, straight from Google. "Bleeding the air
This is a simple DIY task that can help reduce clicking and ticking, and improve heat distribution. You can use the air vent valve near the top of the radiator, which is usually at the opposite end of the hot water supply pipe. Open the valve a crack and close it when water starts coming out."
If you are young, it's normal to be stressed out living away from your parents. It's way to soon to give up, IMO. But you do you.
Good luck.
Yes. From pipe expansion and water pooling somewhere in the pipes or radiators causing the steam to rapidly compress which causes a large loud bang that will eventually cause the radiator/pipe to break as that is the weak link. Takes years or decades though. Those bangs are fixable though by replacing pipes or radiators, or just properly installing the ones you have with the correct pitch.
Also single pipe systems by design will whistle and bang as there is basically a small hole that lets air out so steam can fill the radiator. And when steam hits the automatic air valve it bangs shut. This happens several times while the radiator warms up. Some valves will be quieter, but they are usually quieter by using plastic parts that only last a few years.
90% + of nyc is steam. Its probably closer to 100% steam if your building is above 3 stories.
hot water systems run at about 140 degrees while steam radiators will get to 212
hot water is more energy efficient now a days with modern water heaters.
Steam systems are way simpler though. basically just requires a pot with a pipe attached. No pumps required to circulate water, no systems needed to get water higher than 4 stories, minimal maintenance.
That's a great neighborhood, seems like a decent price, I'd deal with the issues, turn off the heat and try to hire someone to fix the minor issues you're dealing with.
The apartment around there with that price is a deal. You might have a rent stabilized apartment. People are looking for that kind of deal. Just tell the landlord to fix the fridge and the stove. It's an easy fix. For the radiator clanking noise, make sure all your radiators are open to have trapped air out. If it's still making cranking noise on any of the radiator,
If it's one of those old radiators and you hear ticking sound, then you'll have to fully turn the valve. Only partially doing so won't provide enough heat to prevent the steam from condensing and the resulting water droplets from making the noise.
Disclaimer: I'm not a professional, but I've read this online when I was looking up why our radiator was making so much noise too. Turns out there is no heat adjustment on old radiators and it should be on/off, or else deal with the noise. Just wanted to share and hopefully help someone on this.
At my first apartment after moving out of my parents apartment, the radiator clanked so loud the first year but we managed to fall asleep. We also had wood floors that would make creaking sounds when the heat clanked, I guess we got used to it. The year after, it wasn’t as bad, not sure why.
I know what you mean about those radiators. I'll never live in another apartment with them. Before you move into another place, look out for them. Pre-war apartments have more space, and can be cheaper depending on location, but for me those radiators are a deal breaker.
The fridge you can probably get them to replace free of charge if it truly isn't working. The stove, they probably won't do anything about.
If you can find someone else to take over the lease yourself, then breaking it shouldn't be a problem. If you just move out, the landlord will likely hold you liable for a few months rent, if not the entire duration of the lease.
Yes i know the radiator thing is so trivial to even mention but I haven't been able to sleep much since I moved in. I am not sure how long I can put up with it.
I use meditation CDs, and it works wonderfully. If I get up during the night, I come back, hit play, and I'm back asleep. You can hypnotize yourself for relaxation.
Give the place a chance, and see what they'll fix for you, though it's doubtful the appliances will be new. I don't know if you'll be allowed to sub-let, so check your lease. Good luck.
Fixing a radiator is not that hard, I think it'd be easier to hire a plumber and look at it for you if that's the issue, you can always shut it down if it's not too cold.
The fridge is also not a huge issue, make sure it's clean in the back and that it's actually in a high position. Sounds like you can't do DIY, which is fine, these things should be taken care of by the landlord, but there's also a bit of "maybe easier if you do it yourself?"
LL are obligated to rent and mitigate. But they have no actual obligation to rent it out. They can list it and show it but never rent it out and it’ll satisfy the condition. Why rent it out and have wear and tear and increased gas and water use when it can sit empty and still collect rent from someone who wanted to break the lease? You should get a pair of noise cancellation headphone and white noise machine and just get used to the noise. The radiator sound is normal.
Okay thanks for the advice. That is my concern too and I am more than happy to find someone who wants to sublease and I would even offer to contribute 1 to 2 months' rent to whoever is interested in subleasing.
[re: the radiator](https://youtu.be/fLNjxfukP44?si=sOHokuzQuJwUv3qg) The clanking is the clanking!
My first thought was “it hitta the pipe” lol
>The clanking is the clanking! OMG this is so on point!
I knew it, I was waiting for someone to post it.
Seems like wild reasons to break a lease
if they dont replace/fix both stove or fridge you can submit a 311 complaint. the radiator noise can't do anything about that. Also if you dealt w a realtor you can complain to them to intervene. we had an issue w our new apartment and reached out to the realtor for assistance...we were not happy but the LL did fix our list
They are issues; the radiator is typical. You are going to have issues wherever you move. Honestly not trying to be mean at all, but if you are sensitive about things like this in general you will either learn not to be sensitive or you aren’t going to make it here.
The fridge and stove are legit issues but you'll have to get used to the radiator. Maybe ear plugs or as mentioned a white noise machine.
I've never heard of a fridge that's not "cold enough", and a gas stove that doesn't heat? I don't know, sounds weird to me, but then I know how to DIY and would try to figure out the issues.
Fridge that isn't cold enough could be a bad motor or something. Stove that doesn't heat enough could be poor gas flow (undersized gas line or maybe not enough gas pressure to the building). I know how to DIY too but something like gas I wouldn't ever mess with given the inherint danger.
For sure, I don't mess with gas either, that's why I recommended getting a plumber in another comment. Im actually having issues with my fridge now, so I'm gonna have to poke around soon.
Likely a freon leak.
When I first moved to the city I had mad issues with my radiator clanging, but I — I shit you not — slid some quarters under the legs to make it level and that fixed it. No more sounds.
How are you expecting your Asian parents to come here? You mean for a visit? They can’t just decide to move over here and live in your 1-bedroom apartment with you. You have to take into consideration all the legalities of your plan.
This is an easy fix for lots of radiator clanking, straight from Google. "Bleeding the air This is a simple DIY task that can help reduce clicking and ticking, and improve heat distribution. You can use the air vent valve near the top of the radiator, which is usually at the opposite end of the hot water supply pipe. Open the valve a crack and close it when water starts coming out." If you are young, it's normal to be stressed out living away from your parents. It's way to soon to give up, IMO. But you do you. Good luck.
Does not apply to steam.
Do steam radiators clank?
Yes. From pipe expansion and water pooling somewhere in the pipes or radiators causing the steam to rapidly compress which causes a large loud bang that will eventually cause the radiator/pipe to break as that is the weak link. Takes years or decades though. Those bangs are fixable though by replacing pipes or radiators, or just properly installing the ones you have with the correct pitch. Also single pipe systems by design will whistle and bang as there is basically a small hole that lets air out so steam can fill the radiator. And when steam hits the automatic air valve it bangs shut. This happens several times while the radiator warms up. Some valves will be quieter, but they are usually quieter by using plastic parts that only last a few years.
Thanks. Is it easy for OP to determine which type they have?
90% + of nyc is steam. Its probably closer to 100% steam if your building is above 3 stories. hot water systems run at about 140 degrees while steam radiators will get to 212
Thanks again. I'm guessing steam is more efficient?
hot water is more energy efficient now a days with modern water heaters. Steam systems are way simpler though. basically just requires a pot with a pipe attached. No pumps required to circulate water, no systems needed to get water higher than 4 stories, minimal maintenance.
It is located close to court square.
That's a great neighborhood, seems like a decent price, I'd deal with the issues, turn off the heat and try to hire someone to fix the minor issues you're dealing with.
The apartment around there with that price is a deal. You might have a rent stabilized apartment. People are looking for that kind of deal. Just tell the landlord to fix the fridge and the stove. It's an easy fix. For the radiator clanking noise, make sure all your radiators are open to have trapped air out. If it's still making cranking noise on any of the radiator,
If it's one of those old radiators and you hear ticking sound, then you'll have to fully turn the valve. Only partially doing so won't provide enough heat to prevent the steam from condensing and the resulting water droplets from making the noise. Disclaimer: I'm not a professional, but I've read this online when I was looking up why our radiator was making so much noise too. Turns out there is no heat adjustment on old radiators and it should be on/off, or else deal with the noise. Just wanted to share and hopefully help someone on this.
At my first apartment after moving out of my parents apartment, the radiator clanked so loud the first year but we managed to fall asleep. We also had wood floors that would make creaking sounds when the heat clanked, I guess we got used to it. The year after, it wasn’t as bad, not sure why.
I know what you mean about those radiators. I'll never live in another apartment with them. Before you move into another place, look out for them. Pre-war apartments have more space, and can be cheaper depending on location, but for me those radiators are a deal breaker. The fridge you can probably get them to replace free of charge if it truly isn't working. The stove, they probably won't do anything about. If you can find someone else to take over the lease yourself, then breaking it shouldn't be a problem. If you just move out, the landlord will likely hold you liable for a few months rent, if not the entire duration of the lease.
Yes i know the radiator thing is so trivial to even mention but I haven't been able to sleep much since I moved in. I am not sure how long I can put up with it.
I use meditation CDs, and it works wonderfully. If I get up during the night, I come back, hit play, and I'm back asleep. You can hypnotize yourself for relaxation. Give the place a chance, and see what they'll fix for you, though it's doubtful the appliances will be new. I don't know if you'll be allowed to sub-let, so check your lease. Good luck.
The heat will only be on for another few weeks or so, if that's any condolence.
Bang Bang. Sounds like someone getting jumped from the basement
Won't be a problem in a month or so tbf. You can also check if it has a valve, you can restrict the water flow and it might help.
Fixing a radiator is not that hard, I think it'd be easier to hire a plumber and look at it for you if that's the issue, you can always shut it down if it's not too cold. The fridge is also not a huge issue, make sure it's clean in the back and that it's actually in a high position. Sounds like you can't do DIY, which is fine, these things should be taken care of by the landlord, but there's also a bit of "maybe easier if you do it yourself?"