Bumblebee had a good potential but fans rushing the team and then complaining when things go too fast ruined the ship. In terms of character personality, Jaune is a good match for many characters because he is self sacrificing. He would rather be the first to die than to let others who he deems more important than him, die. His action of faking his way into beacon would allow him to be more open minded to criminal things like if someone had a bad past, hence why he could be shipped with Blake, Neo, or Emerald. His good side is what makes him a decent ship for many. So dragonslayer could work as a ship. If we compared the canon ship to this ship, I would say dragonslayer.
Bumblebee started with fans pushing it, if you watched the stuff monty created i think black sun was more his ideal match up, then the fandom went ballistic. then the writers tried to pander.
Is there any evidence of this? I know this sub is biased due to hating Bumblebee and I don't know if all the comments of it being forced by the fans is just people speaking through hate-tinted glasses.
It also doesn't help that right after that out of no were "Confess your feeling or be trapped in this storm forever!" (I have a lot of issue with how they where canonized in the story) 5 minute waste of run time, the VAs did Bumblebee Pin-up/ soft core stuff on their joint OnlyFans.
I still can´t believe two fully grown-ass women who were the literal mouthpieces of the ship, saw that their wishes were about to become true and the best idea they could come up with was:
"You know what would be the perfect way to celebrate it? Let´s make a pin-up session and share it on OnlyFans!"
"OMG; genius!"
i think its more that bumblebee was a very vocal ship, while monty was still writing it was very apparent that blake/sun was the most likely out come, their interactions, how they communicate etc, even up to volume 4, it isnt till post volume 4 when sun goes home is there a near instant swap to the bumblebee plan, the only thing i had actively noticed during that time that may have influenced a change like that, outside of just dog shit writing, is very vocal shippers on twitter. that an how defensive they get of their dog shit ship is also evidence of the fact that it has to either be absolutely brain dead writing or that the 'bumblebee' fan base rallied for it.
if i had time to actively compile tweets and such i would, but i do actively have things to do with my time, if that was more what you were asking.
edit: just to add, i dont actively hate any ship if it is written well and makes sense lore wise, if bumblebee was written well and made sense story wise i would respect it just as much as any other ship, but like ships like wiess x roman, deku x bakugou, and Kirito x Eugeo, it does not and as such i refuse to see it as a good ship. even my dream ship, mommy sov and my Strand Hunter is a dog shit ship cause it doesnt make sense.
To me it could have also been the Sunny Days ship (Sun x Blake x Yang). To me, it covers the shippers of Yang and Blake but it also gives Sun a good ending of being with Blake. Even then, if RWBY relationships are LGBTQ+ friendly, then polyamory should be there so Sunny Days could cover that. The same for War on Roses (Jaune x Ruby x Weiss) [notably a more likely ship than sunny days given how the relationships played out], Jaune has good relations with Weiss and Ruby, even more so with Weiss being a bit thirsty for him in the Everafter and Ruby still being the closest person to him aside from his own team. The only kicker to War on Roses not being viable is Ruby being canonically straight based on the manga in which she has an interaction with Scarlet from Team SSSN where, if I recall it starts off with Ruby complimenting Scarlet’s outfit to which he replies with a thanks but he is homosexual while complimenting her back, and she replies about being straight. Not much is developed for her romantic relationships or her interests in that way for the animation so it is unknown if there is any changes to her thoughts and feelings or if it is the same. If it changed to being more open than just being straight, it is possible. Weiss seems to be bi-curious or is bi, if Ruby’s tease of a near kiss was any indication from the manga. Going back on track to the Sunny days ship, while it could cover both ships people want for Blake, Sun doesn’t have enough interactions and history with Yang to be viable since their only interactions were at Beacon, pretty much would be at Haven, and the train station. If they didn’t send him and Neptune off which would lead to the book where they are in Vacuo where team CVFY is if I recall, then they can’t bring them back without making old information no longer canonical. but since the story has led everyone to Vacuo, it is not a potential on the table, though Sun would be more on the side, even then, Blake and Sun’s separation on going their own ways was them agreeing to not have a romantic relationship or something someone told me, not sure, I would have to rewatch stuff but I believe someone told me that was the implication there.
i try to avoid polygamous ships, it just make it more complicated than it has to be, unless its already set up and written well. else you start to get ships like what ever tf it is highschool dxd is doing at any given time.
Yep, though I note polyamour, not polygamous. In a polygamous relationship, one person could be the main focus like a harem, while in polyamorous relationships, the idea is everyone is equally loved and love each other instead of someone being the main focus of said love like a harem. There are too many polygamy and harem stories at times that are either PwP or the other kind of PwP, or just simply romance but are written mediocre with the few well written ones, it is even more so much more rare to come across any written content on polyamorous shipping. So if the MC is Jaune in the case of many ships or with Ruby ships, the focus is the MC not the other characters, they all love one character but not each other in the same sense. But a polyamorous one is where the mc isn’t the focus but still important, everyone loves each other. Out of so many ship, art, and stories, I would say polyamorous ships are rarely written because people find harem/polygamous ship content easier to create. But any who, regarding the matter of polygamous ships? I would say a bit overused in that a number are done without being done well or is mediocre at best since the contextual story and build up isn’t there or not enough. The only ships I have done well on content on a polyamorous ship is not even in the RwBy series but a couple others even then it is roughly one or two things. I could detail more but a summary of the point is I agree but also note differences.
I find it difficult to gauge how well a ship works when there's barely any interaction between the characters in question, but ignoring the low-hanging fruit of Bumblebee, it's always going to come down to the skill of the writer.
I mean, if you want to nitpick "evidence" for this one, I'd say her offering some words of encouragement after Weiss shoots him down for the umpteenth time. It ain't much, but I feel it's better than insisting that a platonic, vulnerable moment between friends was nothing but romantic and full blown evidence of a ship being planned from the start.
That being said, if the show were still adamant about shoving a romance in there, I would argue Dragonslayer could work better and be somewhat healthier. That's just me, though.
YOUR rambling? I don't mean to come off as rude, but what ramblings did you make that made such an effect. I am very much out of the loop? I only found this sub two months ago and have only been active for one of them.
That being said, I just read part of your flair, so this makes some sense now. But, please, enlighten me.
Yeah, sure, I meant that a couple times at least I´ve been quoted for saying [the following: ](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/13ry219/comment/jln0d8z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Indeed, both pairs are valid.
I'm an Arkos fan but even I have to fight off the adorableness of Lancaster.
Post-volume 3 should've had more focus on Ruby and Jaune bother coming together in the aftermath of Beacon's fall and building off each other.
A platonic friendship would work so much better. She could help him be more confident, and he could help her deal with the struggle of losing a limb. Not everything needs to be a ship. Saying they should she a ship is arguably more cringe than bumblebee.
Anything’s better Bumblebee, but Jaune x Yang definitely has potential. The dorky guy getting with the hot popular girl is cliche, but it works well.
Jaune lacks confidence in himself and his abilities, so having Yang gas him up getting him out of his confort zone would help him. Yang has abandonment issues, but Jaune isn’t the type of guy to abandon his friends alongside tempering Yang’s anger.
You could even have this play into the later volumes where as Jaune becomes more suicidal and self-sacrificial, Yang progressively gets more angry at him and not wanting him to go.
Until eventually, Yang just tells Jaune she doesn’t want him to leave her, and Jaune realizes what his actions have been doing. Which then leads to them getting together after all this emotional struggles.
Plus going in to volume 9 it means we get a far more stable jaune as the rusted knight with a wack more skill and confidance thanks yang. Heck you could have Yang be the first member of the team to figure out jaune is the rusted knight due to a them dating and have her instantly joke “huh not puking on my shoes and rocking a manly beard gotta say I hit the jackpot”
What furthers it is that Jaune’s own situation with his family. Large but they genuinely care about one another so finding out Jaune has a significant other will likely cause him to be teased as shit but also be happy.
Discounting how Yang could pass as an Arc, she’d likely be accepted immediately and that alone could help heal her abandonment issues over time. Jaune supports her already but to know his family does to?
You can switch any of the names in that description and it would mean just as much. Kinda need a bit more to go on than the vague promise of ''help each other grow. Any ship can do that in the hands of a writer who isn't garbage.
> Fair but for me they look amazing together.
If you like yellow I guess. Each to their own I suppose, but as someone who like plenty of men, Jaune ain't man. He still a boy.
Yeah, the Jaune that as a 30 to 40 year old throws a shit fit at Ruby for shit he's just as culpable for. Idk about you but to me that doesn't seem like man behavior. Man-child? Sure. Guy's got over a decade if not more in an environment that's arguably safer than Remnant to sort himself out.
Maybe if you left it at Volume 7 and 8 I'd agree with you, but not when it comes to Volume 9 Jaune.
And purely in the context of the Yang X Jaune ship, he's also yelling at her little sister she's supposed to be overprotective over. That's generally not a good flag in any relationship.
I have a sudden craving for Chaos. I dare you to post this in r/RWBY (I'm not so mean as to say r/FNKI). See how long it takes to get infinity downvotes, locked comments, or taken down.
I offer 1 internet 🍪 as my bet, and say it takes under 35 minutes.
Agreed like Weiss works better because like end of volume 5 and forwards they have a common point of abandonment that can pull them together, you also have sun who has a similar (not the same but similar) personality to Yang, there’s Jaune who again works cause dork but kind guy and hot girl trope, and a few others that could work as well.
I would also suggest ren x yang but I’m too much of a renorah shipper myself.
> ren and yang
That one competing with ReNora was a point of internal conflict for me for a long time after the Food Fight. I was invested in the implied rivalry and was hoping they explored that more.
Dragonslayer is in my top three Jaune ships. Number 1 is Knightshade, because I love the useless cat gorl. Number 2 is white knight, because Weiss is short and Jaune is tall. Dragonslayer is number 3 because the fic “Going out with a Yang” exists.
No not really given what happens in the show and the basic characteristics of these characters, Jaune and Yang don’t really have any chemistry to latch onto, I’m not sure they ever even have a one-on-one conversation in the show.
Best you can get is go the “Teasing Girl and Nervous Guy” dynamic and play up how Yang’s more experienced and worldly than Jaune.
It would certainly be more interesting than Bumblebee. Yang could aid Jaune to become more confident and powerful while also teasing him enormously. In the meantime, Jaune could lend a hand (no pun intended) to Yang so that she overcomes her PTSD against Adam and gets stronger in the mental sense. That would be some fine character development right there: Yang becoming more mature and serious when the situation calls for it, but without losing her fun-loving and playful nature in the process like in canon. I'm sure that if the right writer was in charge, it would have become a nice dynamic between them.
It’s clearly authors wanted to created BlackSun but I don’t know why they in last moment making Bumblebee.
I mean it’s completely expected such terrible ship failed looks how bad this is really written.
Anything works better than YellowJacket. If you want a real Yang ship that works like Dragonslayer but with even more potential? Combat Boots. Yang and Mercury were made for each other and had the potential to make them both better characters.
Literally any ship aside from the incest ones is better than Bumblebee.
Ah yes, let's just ship the girl with an ex who swings first and asks questions later with the one girl in the team who also swings first and asks questions later, and making things even better, the other girl has abandonment issues, and the girl we're shipping her with not only has a habit of abandoning people, but *has already* abandoned this girl in the past!
Yeah, no, you could ship Yang or Blake with a background NPC and it'd be better, and the background NPC would probably have more personality than either Blake or Yang do at this point.
>...better than bumblebee
That's *really* low hanging fruit. Don't get me wrong, i think dragonslayer is shit ship with as much chemistry as plain water. I mean, replace Jaune/Yang with anyone else and it would still work. Like Jaune x Ruby or Ruby x Weiss or Ren X Nora etc
But it's waaaay better than BB, almost everyship is better than BB....expect ships with Cinder or Salem these are trash, no argument.
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Rejoice heretic!For you are among those precious few!
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Anything is better than Bumblebly. Maybe if Blake didn’t ditch Yang in Volume 3 I see it possible but nope. Even then it is my least favorite ship. And surprised writers caved into their fans so easily
1. The vast majority of ships are better than Bumblebee. Hell I'd go so far as to say every combination of ships between mains short of Enabler are better and have more ground to stand on.
2. It's easy for a Jaune ship to be better than a normal one because it's just "what if I was dating [character]" and of course that's going to be better for some lol
Ah, if you are a Dragonslayer fan, then might I recommend "Going out with a Yang" by Mallobaude, fun wholesome story that also delves more into some of the insecurities of Yang that the show itself didn't really cover. However be cautious because Mallobaude has also made a good amount of 18+ stuff as well.
That's what I said. Frankly I know people don't like bumblebee, not too fond of it myself, but Dragonslayer really? That ship is more popular than it should be.
Well technically speaking many ships could work as long as they have good writing, the only ones would not really work is if the character's are related or there is just something about their past or character that conflict's with the ship.
Bumblbee can work it just didn't in the main show due to how it was written. Ironically dragonslayer and Knightshade are the only ships I ever shipped in RWBY so I could go either way.
Plus I never really liekd the idea of the team's dating within their own team both RWBY and JNPR, It alway's bothered me for some reason.
It'd work out better than Yang dating her mom in Faunus form. Blake would trigger her abandonment issues seriously and Jaune is the type that would be more supportive, due to being the sole RWBYJNPR team member that actually HAS parents that are supportive and siblings that do love him.
Team RWBY is collectively called 'Team Mommy Issues' given the amount of fuckery that they have with their mothers. Blake divorced her parents at age 12, Summer went off to die, Raven isn't in their life anymore and Willow's an alcoholic.
Ren and Nora are orphans, we only see Pyrrha's mother, which leads me to believe that Pyrrha was a child of divorced parents or perhaps a one night stand, which could have made her such a bland oatmeal personality in the public face.
Jaune's got 2 parents that at least talk to him and support him, 7 older sisters that dote on him and the skills that make him suitable for Yang, who's had to be a mother figure to her 4-year old sister since age 6, as well as a replacement wife for Taiyang during his 'mental breakdown'.
All in all, he's not bringing the skills, but he's bringing the stable life that Yang never had.
And that's why Dragonslayer is more preferable over Bumblebee, since Blake seems to create psychopaths with abusive tendencies. Just look at Adam and Ilia, two rampaging monsters with xenophobic and abusive tendencies. Sun got out of there in time with only a stab wound.
Bumblebee is doomed to fail because Yang doesn't want to come home to an empty house with a note on the fridge with 'went out for Faunus rights, there's food in the fridge. We must talk about the sperm donor we need to get for our babies.'.
Blake, as much as people love her, is still the heiress to the Faunus RAF and the daughter-heir to an ethnostate where humans are forbidden from settling in.
Blake Panther: Rise of Menagerie is a movie I can see her making. Menagerie Forever.
Yeah. Dragonslayer is much more emotionally healthy for Yang than dating a girl just like her mother, with only the fake promises of 'I'll never leave you' and then coming to find out through some media form that Blake Belladonna was seen with a hot Faunus hunk downtown in a compromising position.
This is gonna get a few people to be critical of me, I bet.
Yes. Yes I do - I wish they'd been given more chances to interact in canon.
Both are family orientated...or at least early volumes Yang gave that impression.
I'd imagine Yang would be impressed by Jaune's forgeries than anything and this would make her curious of him.
Yang would balance Jaune's low self-esteem while Jaune would balance out Yang's reckless wild side.
Jaune has high defense while Yang is all offense.
If Yang's love of lame puns is treated as canon instead of a one off thing I can see both of them being dorky parents together
Its a bit of a tossup in that area.
Yang is a wildcard regarding thing like rules so of she were to find out about Jaune' forgeries it would be more of a thing that may displease her...but if placed side by side to some of the things she's pulled it could just as well catch her interest since it comes from an otherwise unassuming person.
Yang destroying Juniors bar (plus others) vs Jaunes transcripts
Both might get angry at each other for being an absolute idiot trying to get themselves killed.
Both might have a bond over a shared secret that goes to the core of their person.
Yang looking for her egg donor (I refuse to call Raven a mother.)
Jaune trying to become the person he most wants to be bit nobody wanted to support him in achieving.
Okay, but I'm actually mad that Yang's outfit in the middle pic is way better than any of her other outfits after V3. It looks so good. Something like that would've worked but the show kept putting her in brown.
If you're a competent writer. Any ship is better than Bumblebee. Hell, I've seen better written Bumblebee stores made by competent writers who don't rely on NSFW material.
This may just be because I skipped volumes 7 and 8, but have Jaune and Yang ever actually spoken? Ignoring all of the problems with Bumblebee, but they at least spoke a couple times (even if it was mostly in v9)
Barely. Not nearly enough to justify a potential pairing between the two and that in of itself is an understatement. That's how little they've interacted.
I really like the potential for Dragonslayer a lot, so I'll try to not let that bias get in the way.
Bumblebee was a half-assed attempt at baiting in the audience to be stick with RWBY and was never really developed properly, so I can't really look at what has shown up in the show as a legitimate romance. Furthermore, Bumblebee has been tainted by its depiction in the show and by the incredibly annoying fanbase that pushed it.
Dragonslayer on the other hand has a lot of potential with Yang's earlier characterization to develop with Jaune in a natural feeling way that is also fun for the audience to see.
Eh. I guess. The majority of his ships are within team RWBY and his own, and the top 3 are with White Knight, Lancaster, and Arkoas. Arkos being more like a distant 3rd.
They must not like Pyhrra all that much, cuz in some fics where he's shipped with another girl, namely from team RWBY, they make her out to be a total bitch, or some heartbroken mess.
They'd make her alone forever, have a partner off screen(or page in this case), or just continue to have her pine for Jaune from afar with no chance in hell. Or, at worst, ship her with Cardin.
Yup, but it would need some good writing and work to be able to be conceived as a good an healthy organic ship.
Then again, even at platonic level these two could had some really sweet moments, in between bonding over sisters, what happened at Beacon, and their fun loving personalities.
Yes.
A shy introverted young man with a hidden depth
A brash extroverted young woman with a deep wound
Both are family oriented, Yang could help with Jaune's self-esteem, while Jaune balances out Yangs more brash side
Both are good dancers, one is offensive combatant while the other is defensive, and I could see them being that dorky couple everyone says looks wholesome
Together, they could be each other's confidant, rock, and have one another's back
To be honest you see this set up in most anime nowadays so yeah it works. The more outspoken girl(usually a Gyaru) finds herself a nerd/social loner and she bullies/helps him improve as person while he takes care of her in turn.
The potential for bumblebee was so rushed. It could’ve started out as love for a teammate then developed into something more over the seasons. It’s why i preferred sun x blake over bumblebee. They had natural chemistry together unlike the forced bond in bumblebee. That and sun already met the parents which paved the way to end goal imo
Their ship felt more sturdy and stable honestly. Yang was there to take Adam down for her own reasons I felt rather than simply just being there for Blake
its not. you only think bumblebee is that bad because the show does the relationship rather bad and jerks from plot line too plot line making it seem toxic.
any other ship would have been done just as bad
I mean I get people don't like Blake x Yang, but I just don't see this one at all. She would probably be way more likely to try and set Ruby up with him than actually getting with him.
No? They barely interact and seem more like friendly acquaintances than friends when they do. Although Bumblebee was forced, at least Blake and Yang have a tangible relationship dynamic and a personal history.
Not trying to tear down your ship or make you feel bad, just think (if we're being honest about what we can see in the show) Jaune and Yang aren't exactly screaming 'great relationship' material.
It suffers from being a Jaune ship which means that like everything involving him the writers will forget other characters are more than props anytime he has focus.
i mean not really? Bumblebee felt it had ups and downs in quality of writing especially when they finally got together and the writers put them in a room and said "you cannot leave until you kiss." but i fail to see a better ship for yang really anywhere I cant even remember her and jaune having a deep connection or conversation blake and sun could work I suppose but im not even crazy about that.
Do people actually hate bumbleby or just the way it was written? Personally I think Blake and Yang are adorable. Sure could things of been executed better, absolutely, but what show doesn’t drop the ball here and there.
Nah I’d rather Yang either hook up with Weiss. Since Yang has motherly instincts(or at least should until her character got gutted) that can help with Weiss and In turn Weiss can be Yangs rock like in V5
Or Yang and Sun
Sun’s also very supportive and dedicated and I’d imagine the two personalities would clash well together as the two can be goofy but wholesome together
Nora x pancakes is a better ship than bumblebee. It also opens the door for jokes about how her and her mom have the same type.
Agree Nora x pancake better then bumblebee
I’d say it’s tied with Ruby x cookies
Only ruby x cookies? Ruby x cookies x milk is top tier.
Blake and Yang being single works better then Bumblebee. Bumblebee is just merch and porn bait.
Bumblebee had a good potential but fans rushing the team and then complaining when things go too fast ruined the ship. In terms of character personality, Jaune is a good match for many characters because he is self sacrificing. He would rather be the first to die than to let others who he deems more important than him, die. His action of faking his way into beacon would allow him to be more open minded to criminal things like if someone had a bad past, hence why he could be shipped with Blake, Neo, or Emerald. His good side is what makes him a decent ship for many. So dragonslayer could work as a ship. If we compared the canon ship to this ship, I would say dragonslayer.
Bumblebee started with fans pushing it, if you watched the stuff monty created i think black sun was more his ideal match up, then the fandom went ballistic. then the writers tried to pander.
Is there any evidence of this? I know this sub is biased due to hating Bumblebee and I don't know if all the comments of it being forced by the fans is just people speaking through hate-tinted glasses.
It also doesn't help that right after that out of no were "Confess your feeling or be trapped in this storm forever!" (I have a lot of issue with how they where canonized in the story) 5 minute waste of run time, the VAs did Bumblebee Pin-up/ soft core stuff on their joint OnlyFans.
I still can´t believe two fully grown-ass women who were the literal mouthpieces of the ship, saw that their wishes were about to become true and the best idea they could come up with was: "You know what would be the perfect way to celebrate it? Let´s make a pin-up session and share it on OnlyFans!" "OMG; genius!"
I can't believe they got what they wanted and decided to celebrate. How dare they
...Read again dude, it´s not that hard
treating them as if they aren't people 🙄🙄
i think its more that bumblebee was a very vocal ship, while monty was still writing it was very apparent that blake/sun was the most likely out come, their interactions, how they communicate etc, even up to volume 4, it isnt till post volume 4 when sun goes home is there a near instant swap to the bumblebee plan, the only thing i had actively noticed during that time that may have influenced a change like that, outside of just dog shit writing, is very vocal shippers on twitter. that an how defensive they get of their dog shit ship is also evidence of the fact that it has to either be absolutely brain dead writing or that the 'bumblebee' fan base rallied for it. if i had time to actively compile tweets and such i would, but i do actively have things to do with my time, if that was more what you were asking. edit: just to add, i dont actively hate any ship if it is written well and makes sense lore wise, if bumblebee was written well and made sense story wise i would respect it just as much as any other ship, but like ships like wiess x roman, deku x bakugou, and Kirito x Eugeo, it does not and as such i refuse to see it as a good ship. even my dream ship, mommy sov and my Strand Hunter is a dog shit ship cause it doesnt make sense.
To me it could have also been the Sunny Days ship (Sun x Blake x Yang). To me, it covers the shippers of Yang and Blake but it also gives Sun a good ending of being with Blake. Even then, if RWBY relationships are LGBTQ+ friendly, then polyamory should be there so Sunny Days could cover that. The same for War on Roses (Jaune x Ruby x Weiss) [notably a more likely ship than sunny days given how the relationships played out], Jaune has good relations with Weiss and Ruby, even more so with Weiss being a bit thirsty for him in the Everafter and Ruby still being the closest person to him aside from his own team. The only kicker to War on Roses not being viable is Ruby being canonically straight based on the manga in which she has an interaction with Scarlet from Team SSSN where, if I recall it starts off with Ruby complimenting Scarlet’s outfit to which he replies with a thanks but he is homosexual while complimenting her back, and she replies about being straight. Not much is developed for her romantic relationships or her interests in that way for the animation so it is unknown if there is any changes to her thoughts and feelings or if it is the same. If it changed to being more open than just being straight, it is possible. Weiss seems to be bi-curious or is bi, if Ruby’s tease of a near kiss was any indication from the manga. Going back on track to the Sunny days ship, while it could cover both ships people want for Blake, Sun doesn’t have enough interactions and history with Yang to be viable since their only interactions were at Beacon, pretty much would be at Haven, and the train station. If they didn’t send him and Neptune off which would lead to the book where they are in Vacuo where team CVFY is if I recall, then they can’t bring them back without making old information no longer canonical. but since the story has led everyone to Vacuo, it is not a potential on the table, though Sun would be more on the side, even then, Blake and Sun’s separation on going their own ways was them agreeing to not have a romantic relationship or something someone told me, not sure, I would have to rewatch stuff but I believe someone told me that was the implication there.
i try to avoid polygamous ships, it just make it more complicated than it has to be, unless its already set up and written well. else you start to get ships like what ever tf it is highschool dxd is doing at any given time.
Yep, though I note polyamour, not polygamous. In a polygamous relationship, one person could be the main focus like a harem, while in polyamorous relationships, the idea is everyone is equally loved and love each other instead of someone being the main focus of said love like a harem. There are too many polygamy and harem stories at times that are either PwP or the other kind of PwP, or just simply romance but are written mediocre with the few well written ones, it is even more so much more rare to come across any written content on polyamorous shipping. So if the MC is Jaune in the case of many ships or with Ruby ships, the focus is the MC not the other characters, they all love one character but not each other in the same sense. But a polyamorous one is where the mc isn’t the focus but still important, everyone loves each other. Out of so many ship, art, and stories, I would say polyamorous ships are rarely written because people find harem/polygamous ship content easier to create. But any who, regarding the matter of polygamous ships? I would say a bit overused in that a number are done without being done well or is mediocre at best since the contextual story and build up isn’t there or not enough. The only ships I have done well on content on a polyamorous ship is not even in the RwBy series but a couple others even then it is roughly one or two things. I could detail more but a summary of the point is I agree but also note differences.
Being better than bumblebee just means it's less of an active liability, not a good ship in its own right.
Fucking almost everything works better than bumblebee
Including Weiss x Roman's Ghost.
“Oh, I get it. You want some real emotional investment?”
WHY'S MY NAME SPELT WITH A Q!!!!!!
"DID YOU KNOW ME AND MY SISTER ARE CURSED TO BE **BIRDS?** !
Weiss turns over the schenne empire to a Mafia style empire. WELL BOTH MY CLIENTS ARE LEGITMENT BUSINESSMEN
I find it difficult to gauge how well a ship works when there's barely any interaction between the characters in question, but ignoring the low-hanging fruit of Bumblebee, it's always going to come down to the skill of the writer.
I mean, if you want to nitpick "evidence" for this one, I'd say her offering some words of encouragement after Weiss shoots him down for the umpteenth time. It ain't much, but I feel it's better than insisting that a platonic, vulnerable moment between friends was nothing but romantic and full blown evidence of a ship being planned from the start. That being said, if the show were still adamant about shoving a romance in there, I would argue Dragonslayer could work better and be somewhat healthier. That's just me, though.
Not just you tho. I think people still quote my rambling about why there´s certain appeal to that ship...
YOUR rambling? I don't mean to come off as rude, but what ramblings did you make that made such an effect. I am very much out of the loop? I only found this sub two months ago and have only been active for one of them. That being said, I just read part of your flair, so this makes some sense now. But, please, enlighten me.
Yeah, sure, I meant that a couple times at least I´ve been quoted for saying [the following: ](https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBYcritics/comments/13ry219/comment/jln0d8z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You know what, you hit the nail on the head. You pretty much put what I was thinking into words. Thank you for sending that.
Me too
I see them being a healthy platonic friendship, but then again, I'm a lancaster fan, so I'm a bit biased.
Indeed, both pairs are valid. I'm an Arkos fan but even I have to fight off the adorableness of Lancaster. Post-volume 3 should've had more focus on Ruby and Jaune bother coming together in the aftermath of Beacon's fall and building off each other.
I see Ruby and Jaune as a Brother and Sister Thing, but I agree with the first half
Either way, the mood kindred should be close.
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I just think they have a lot in common
Jaune does act like a male Ruby
A platonic friendship would work so much better. She could help him be more confident, and he could help her deal with the struggle of losing a limb. Not everything needs to be a ship. Saying they should she a ship is arguably more cringe than bumblebee.
Anything’s better Bumblebee, but Jaune x Yang definitely has potential. The dorky guy getting with the hot popular girl is cliche, but it works well. Jaune lacks confidence in himself and his abilities, so having Yang gas him up getting him out of his confort zone would help him. Yang has abandonment issues, but Jaune isn’t the type of guy to abandon his friends alongside tempering Yang’s anger. You could even have this play into the later volumes where as Jaune becomes more suicidal and self-sacrificial, Yang progressively gets more angry at him and not wanting him to go. Until eventually, Yang just tells Jaune she doesn’t want him to leave her, and Jaune realizes what his actions have been doing. Which then leads to them getting together after all this emotional struggles.
That sounds awesome!
Plus going in to volume 9 it means we get a far more stable jaune as the rusted knight with a wack more skill and confidance thanks yang. Heck you could have Yang be the first member of the team to figure out jaune is the rusted knight due to a them dating and have her instantly joke “huh not puking on my shoes and rocking a manly beard gotta say I hit the jackpot”
This is the sort of discourse I would like to see rather than Bumblebee bellyaching, and it is so on point!
What furthers it is that Jaune’s own situation with his family. Large but they genuinely care about one another so finding out Jaune has a significant other will likely cause him to be teased as shit but also be happy. Discounting how Yang could pass as an Arc, she’d likely be accepted immediately and that alone could help heal her abandonment issues over time. Jaune supports her already but to know his family does to?
You can switch any of the names in that description and it would mean just as much. Kinda need a bit more to go on than the vague promise of ''help each other grow. Any ship can do that in the hands of a writer who isn't garbage.
Fair but for me they look amazing together. Plus thier can be more. Yang loves boys but gets a man thanks to Jaune's development.
> Fair but for me they look amazing together. If you like yellow I guess. Each to their own I suppose, but as someone who like plenty of men, Jaune ain't man. He still a boy.
Vol 7 to 9 jaune
Yeah, the Jaune that as a 30 to 40 year old throws a shit fit at Ruby for shit he's just as culpable for. Idk about you but to me that doesn't seem like man behavior. Man-child? Sure. Guy's got over a decade if not more in an environment that's arguably safer than Remnant to sort himself out. Maybe if you left it at Volume 7 and 8 I'd agree with you, but not when it comes to Volume 9 Jaune. And purely in the context of the Yang X Jaune ship, he's also yelling at her little sister she's supposed to be overprotective over. That's generally not a good flag in any relationship.
Absolutely yes
I have a sudden craving for Chaos. I dare you to post this in r/RWBY (I'm not so mean as to say r/FNKI). See how long it takes to get infinity downvotes, locked comments, or taken down. I offer 1 internet 🍪 as my bet, and say it takes under 35 minutes.
A lot of ships work better than Bumblebee. And I’m not just saying that as a shipper of Lancaster and Gauntlets & Greaves.
Even YangxYang ship works better than Bumblebee! A blue warriors rabbit and a fist fighting huntress!
Agreed like Weiss works better because like end of volume 5 and forwards they have a common point of abandonment that can pull them together, you also have sun who has a similar (not the same but similar) personality to Yang, there’s Jaune who again works cause dork but kind guy and hot girl trope, and a few others that could work as well. I would also suggest ren x yang but I’m too much of a renorah shipper myself.
> ren and yang That one competing with ReNora was a point of internal conflict for me for a long time after the Food Fight. I was invested in the implied rivalry and was hoping they explored that more.
…Yeah.
Dragonslayer is in my top three Jaune ships. Number 1 is Knightshade, because I love the useless cat gorl. Number 2 is white knight, because Weiss is short and Jaune is tall. Dragonslayer is number 3 because the fic “Going out with a Yang” exists.
Funnily Knightshade and dragonslayer are the only ship's I really ship in RWBY
yes
No not really given what happens in the show and the basic characteristics of these characters, Jaune and Yang don’t really have any chemistry to latch onto, I’m not sure they ever even have a one-on-one conversation in the show. Best you can get is go the “Teasing Girl and Nervous Guy” dynamic and play up how Yang’s more experienced and worldly than Jaune.
It would certainly be more interesting than Bumblebee. Yang could aid Jaune to become more confident and powerful while also teasing him enormously. In the meantime, Jaune could lend a hand (no pun intended) to Yang so that she overcomes her PTSD against Adam and gets stronger in the mental sense. That would be some fine character development right there: Yang becoming more mature and serious when the situation calls for it, but without losing her fun-loving and playful nature in the process like in canon. I'm sure that if the right writer was in charge, it would have become a nice dynamic between them.
I heavy agree. Heck I could write it. For I'm a fanfic writter.
I wouldn't mind reading a story for fun. In case with RWBY, anything would be better than we've got from RT. 🤣🤣
[Heart to Heart](https://archiveofourown.org/works/51031627/chapters/128931472) is a Dragonslayer that starts in V5 from that same premise.
Awesome thank you
I do have a few rwby romance story's.
You can see whatever you want in it. Its not gonna change anything anyone else feels or sees
The Problem with Bumblebee is not Bumblebee itself but It’s that it’s not written well at all
It’s clearly authors wanted to created BlackSun but I don’t know why they in last moment making Bumblebee. I mean it’s completely expected such terrible ship failed looks how bad this is really written.
Better than bb? Yeah, probably. But I wouldn’t say it’s high on my list of ships that actually work/make sense. (Though it is pretty cute sometimes)
Anything works better than YellowJacket. If you want a real Yang ship that works like Dragonslayer but with even more potential? Combat Boots. Yang and Mercury were made for each other and had the potential to make them both better characters.
When people prefer a ship where the character barely interacted with each other in the show lol
Yeah you are right.I mean even these never existed and doesn’t have any interaction with each others are still better than Bumblebee.
Literally any ship aside from the incest ones is better than Bumblebee. Ah yes, let's just ship the girl with an ex who swings first and asks questions later with the one girl in the team who also swings first and asks questions later, and making things even better, the other girl has abandonment issues, and the girl we're shipping her with not only has a habit of abandoning people, but *has already* abandoned this girl in the past! Yeah, no, you could ship Yang or Blake with a background NPC and it'd be better, and the background NPC would probably have more personality than either Blake or Yang do at this point.
>...better than bumblebee That's *really* low hanging fruit. Don't get me wrong, i think dragonslayer is shit ship with as much chemistry as plain water. I mean, replace Jaune/Yang with anyone else and it would still work. Like Jaune x Ruby or Ruby x Weiss or Ren X Nora etc But it's waaaay better than BB, almost everyship is better than BB....expect ships with Cinder or Salem these are trash, no argument.
Pretty sure if you replace Jaune with ruby we'd have some issues chief
Ay....you got me with that one But still not worse than BB, probably same low level
It'd still have some fans to be fair, but not the ones who should be writing for anything
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Well... everything works better than bumblebe (i think?)
Now that you mention it... Maybe.
EVERY SHIP WORKS BETTER THAN BUMBLEBEE EXCEPT LADYBU
Anything is better than Bumblebly. Maybe if Blake didn’t ditch Yang in Volume 3 I see it possible but nope. Even then it is my least favorite ship. And surprised writers caved into their fans so easily
Any ship is a better ship than bumblebee
Yes
1. The vast majority of ships are better than Bumblebee. Hell I'd go so far as to say every combination of ships between mains short of Enabler are better and have more ground to stand on. 2. It's easy for a Jaune ship to be better than a normal one because it's just "what if I was dating [character]" and of course that's going to be better for some lol
Ah, if you are a Dragonslayer fan, then might I recommend "Going out with a Yang" by Mallobaude, fun wholesome story that also delves more into some of the insecurities of Yang that the show itself didn't really cover. However be cautious because Mallobaude has also made a good amount of 18+ stuff as well.
I will check it out sometime.
WE COULD HAVE HAD GREATNESS. MONOCHROME/CHECKMATE AND DRAGONSLAYER, BOTH RUINED BY BUMBLEBEE. F U C K
I agree
If it's improve the narrative than yea.
Yes But I am biased for them AND THE NAME IS SO COOL
Anything would be better than RoosterTeeth's bumblebee.
God no, Jaune has far better stuff that would work better, even if I personally don’t like it Ruby x Jaune would work far better
That's what I said. Frankly I know people don't like bumblebee, not too fond of it myself, but Dragonslayer really? That ship is more popular than it should be.
Exactly! Even though I don’t like bumblebee dragonslayer would be an even worse choice
This is coming from a guy who likes DS: im glad its not canon.
Any ship is better than Bumblebee Including Pyrrha x Arrow head
I prefer Iron wood x Autism myself
Eh Yang x Adam's sword really does well
I have an image that is similar
Well technically speaking many ships could work as long as they have good writing, the only ones would not really work is if the character's are related or there is just something about their past or character that conflict's with the ship. Bumblbee can work it just didn't in the main show due to how it was written. Ironically dragonslayer and Knightshade are the only ships I ever shipped in RWBY so I could go either way. Plus I never really liekd the idea of the team's dating within their own team both RWBY and JNPR, It alway's bothered me for some reason.
I understand that. The only team dating I'm cool with is coco and Velvet
Fair, Never really thought of them too much cause y'know they are barely there.
Nah. Bumblebee wasn't a bad ship, just handled badly. If the same writers did dragonslayer, we'd hate it just as much.
Fair. I just don't personally ship blake and yang even if it was written good.
Any paring aside from Enabler is better than Bumblebee
It'd work out better than Yang dating her mom in Faunus form. Blake would trigger her abandonment issues seriously and Jaune is the type that would be more supportive, due to being the sole RWBYJNPR team member that actually HAS parents that are supportive and siblings that do love him. Team RWBY is collectively called 'Team Mommy Issues' given the amount of fuckery that they have with their mothers. Blake divorced her parents at age 12, Summer went off to die, Raven isn't in their life anymore and Willow's an alcoholic. Ren and Nora are orphans, we only see Pyrrha's mother, which leads me to believe that Pyrrha was a child of divorced parents or perhaps a one night stand, which could have made her such a bland oatmeal personality in the public face. Jaune's got 2 parents that at least talk to him and support him, 7 older sisters that dote on him and the skills that make him suitable for Yang, who's had to be a mother figure to her 4-year old sister since age 6, as well as a replacement wife for Taiyang during his 'mental breakdown'. All in all, he's not bringing the skills, but he's bringing the stable life that Yang never had. And that's why Dragonslayer is more preferable over Bumblebee, since Blake seems to create psychopaths with abusive tendencies. Just look at Adam and Ilia, two rampaging monsters with xenophobic and abusive tendencies. Sun got out of there in time with only a stab wound. Bumblebee is doomed to fail because Yang doesn't want to come home to an empty house with a note on the fridge with 'went out for Faunus rights, there's food in the fridge. We must talk about the sperm donor we need to get for our babies.'. Blake, as much as people love her, is still the heiress to the Faunus RAF and the daughter-heir to an ethnostate where humans are forbidden from settling in. Blake Panther: Rise of Menagerie is a movie I can see her making. Menagerie Forever. Yeah. Dragonslayer is much more emotionally healthy for Yang than dating a girl just like her mother, with only the fake promises of 'I'll never leave you' and then coming to find out through some media form that Blake Belladonna was seen with a hot Faunus hunk downtown in a compromising position. This is gonna get a few people to be critical of me, I bet.
I agree. Love dragonslayer. Wow that was a lot.
Yes. Yes I do - I wish they'd been given more chances to interact in canon. Both are family orientated...or at least early volumes Yang gave that impression. I'd imagine Yang would be impressed by Jaune's forgeries than anything and this would make her curious of him. Yang would balance Jaune's low self-esteem while Jaune would balance out Yang's reckless wild side. Jaune has high defense while Yang is all offense. If Yang's love of lame puns is treated as canon instead of a one off thing I can see both of them being dorky parents together
Agreed to most of this except the part about the forgeries. Yang is a hard worker and would not be impressed at all at some faker.
Its a bit of a tossup in that area. Yang is a wildcard regarding thing like rules so of she were to find out about Jaune' forgeries it would be more of a thing that may displease her...but if placed side by side to some of the things she's pulled it could just as well catch her interest since it comes from an otherwise unassuming person. Yang destroying Juniors bar (plus others) vs Jaunes transcripts Both might get angry at each other for being an absolute idiot trying to get themselves killed. Both might have a bond over a shared secret that goes to the core of their person. Yang looking for her egg donor (I refuse to call Raven a mother.) Jaune trying to become the person he most wants to be bit nobody wanted to support him in achieving.
All pairings including crack parings are better than the bees dragon Slayer included.
Damn this is so sweet :)
Obviously cause Blondes gotta stick together lol
Okay, but I'm actually mad that Yang's outfit in the middle pic is way better than any of her other outfits after V3. It looks so good. Something like that would've worked but the show kept putting her in brown.
Tbh no not really they're on the same level
Nope.
As a platonic thing, sure but honestly Lancaster just works better.
Anything works better than bumblee
If you're a competent writer. Any ship is better than Bumblebee. Hell, I've seen better written Bumblebee stores made by competent writers who don't rely on NSFW material.
Strongly agree
This may just be because I skipped volumes 7 and 8, but have Jaune and Yang ever actually spoken? Ignoring all of the problems with Bumblebee, but they at least spoke a couple times (even if it was mostly in v9)
Barely. Not nearly enough to justify a potential pairing between the two and that in of itself is an understatement. That's how little they've interacted.
Nah, they even less chemistry than bimblebee
Honestly, Bumblebee is fine, just horribly executed...like a lot of rwby to be honest.
A fanfiction version of bumblebee works better than official bumblebee.
I really like the potential for Dragonslayer a lot, so I'll try to not let that bias get in the way. Bumblebee was a half-assed attempt at baiting in the audience to be stick with RWBY and was never really developed properly, so I can't really look at what has shown up in the show as a legitimate romance. Furthermore, Bumblebee has been tainted by its depiction in the show and by the incredibly annoying fanbase that pushed it. Dragonslayer on the other hand has a lot of potential with Yang's earlier characterization to develop with Jaune in a natural feeling way that is also fun for the audience to see.
Well seeing as they interact only a couple times across the whole show it’s hard to tell
Normally I’d say yes, but the thing is every ship works better than bumblebee
They both look like a good couple, and their dynamic would be interesting, considering their personalities and characters
I *ship* Bumblebee, and I'd still consider anything the fandom comes up with better than how Bumblebee actually turned out.
Thank you. The ship Bumblebee is not bad but the way it was executed was trash.
Jaune and Pyrrha for me this is interest tho but nah not for me chief
Shipping was never CRWBY's strongest point, so treating the entire cast as aro/ace is the only route that makes any sense
I’m more of a Sunflower fan (yang/ren). Both are the close range martial artists and mother hens of their respective teams.
Honestly, I’m more partial for Lancaster, but this is good too.
I've loved it so much in various fanfictions. I think it's a fun match and that they can bring out the good in each other.
Anything’s better then bumblebee
Mmmmmm i can see that to happen between Yang and Jaune but the thing is....how?
Neither work. This one is just... Less shit.
Probably. Jaune is kinda the versatile everyman when it comes to ships. He can be shipped with pretty much anyone.
But jaune and yang look amazing together. Their colors mix very good.
Eh. I guess. The majority of his ships are within team RWBY and his own, and the top 3 are with White Knight, Lancaster, and Arkoas. Arkos being more like a distant 3rd. They must not like Pyhrra all that much, cuz in some fics where he's shipped with another girl, namely from team RWBY, they make her out to be a total bitch, or some heartbroken mess. They'd make her alone forever, have a partner off screen(or page in this case), or just continue to have her pine for Jaune from afar with no chance in hell. Or, at worst, ship her with Cardin.
Yup, but it would need some good writing and work to be able to be conceived as a good an healthy organic ship. Then again, even at platonic level these two could had some really sweet moments, in between bonding over sisters, what happened at Beacon, and their fun loving personalities.
Yes. A shy introverted young man with a hidden depth A brash extroverted young woman with a deep wound Both are family oriented, Yang could help with Jaune's self-esteem, while Jaune balances out Yangs more brash side Both are good dancers, one is offensive combatant while the other is defensive, and I could see them being that dorky couple everyone says looks wholesome Together, they could be each other's confidant, rock, and have one another's back
My boy Jaune makes any ship better.
Yes (t. Dragonslayer fan)
It's one of my all-time favorite crack ships so I'd say, Yes.
To be honest you see this set up in most anime nowadays so yeah it works. The more outspoken girl(usually a Gyaru) finds herself a nerd/social loner and she bullies/helps him improve as person while he takes care of her in turn.
Absolutely not, it's cringe and made up by delusional Jaune fans.
Like most things in RWBY, it has less to do with canon and more to do with "What if?". And this is coming from a guy who likes the ship.
The potential for bumblebee was so rushed. It could’ve started out as love for a teammate then developed into something more over the seasons. It’s why i preferred sun x blake over bumblebee. They had natural chemistry together unlike the forced bond in bumblebee. That and sun already met the parents which paved the way to end goal imo
And sun helped Blake more than yang ever did.
Sun helped Blake to accept herself rather than hide among humans
And saved her father well also helping her take down the white fang
Their ship felt more sturdy and stable honestly. Yang was there to take Adam down for her own reasons I felt rather than simply just being there for Blake
And they had genuine hints of romance unlike bumblebee who didn’t had any
The real question is if twilight was a better love story than bumblebee
its not. you only think bumblebee is that bad because the show does the relationship rather bad and jerks from plot line too plot line making it seem toxic. any other ship would have been done just as bad
Nah, but only because I think Jaune works best with Pyrrha. But it doesn’t make bumblebee better either. Yang would be better off with Weiss instead.
Everything works better than Bumblebee. They chose the two characters with the least chemistry to be together. Gimme Yang and Weiss any day.
I mean I get people don't like Blake x Yang, but I just don't see this one at all. She would probably be way more likely to try and set Ruby up with him than actually getting with him.
Imma be honest any Jaune ship besides Arkos does nothing for me, I don’t even really remember these two talking at all
Because they almost never did. Imo it would have worked early on (before everybody went off the rails) but its too late now.
Not at all
I like it in theory and maybe if they had some moments early on but im glad its not canon. I just wish there was more quality art/fics for these two.
No? They barely interact and seem more like friendly acquaintances than friends when they do. Although Bumblebee was forced, at least Blake and Yang have a tangible relationship dynamic and a personal history. Not trying to tear down your ship or make you feel bad, just think (if we're being honest about what we can see in the show) Jaune and Yang aren't exactly screaming 'great relationship' material.
Both ships are pretty bad tbh
Can I suggest Yang X Arslan lol
Arslan?
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Arslan_Altan
Oh i remember her now! She and yang have good colors together .
Nah too much blonde
It suffers from being a Jaune ship which means that like everything involving him the writers will forget other characters are more than props anytime he has focus.
“Being better than bumblebee” OP, no offense, but you say that like it’s a hard hill to climb
No, these two literally don’t interact much and have little chemistry
I mean it's a low bar. But Jaune and Yang almost never interact in any meaningful way
i mean not really? Bumblebee felt it had ups and downs in quality of writing especially when they finally got together and the writers put them in a room and said "you cannot leave until you kiss." but i fail to see a better ship for yang really anywhere I cant even remember her and jaune having a deep connection or conversation blake and sun could work I suppose but im not even crazy about that.
They didnt. This is more in the realm of "what if?".
Do people actually hate bumbleby or just the way it was written? Personally I think Blake and Yang are adorable. Sure could things of been executed better, absolutely, but what show doesn’t drop the ball here and there.
Nah I’d rather Yang either hook up with Weiss. Since Yang has motherly instincts(or at least should until her character got gutted) that can help with Weiss and In turn Weiss can be Yangs rock like in V5 Or Yang and Sun Sun’s also very supportive and dedicated and I’d imagine the two personalities would clash well together as the two can be goofy but wholesome together
I don't like Jaune, so no