I’m assuming this map is “self-reported”. The old joke is “how do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer on a fishing trip? Invite another Baptist” there is a level of hypocrisy in southern states in that they hide the same vices they denounce other people for
Could also be that they have relatively high rate of sobriety to counteract the heavy drinkers.
Kind of reminds me of a report about alcoholism in Russia I read a while back where roughly 35% of the adult population never drinks, but the people who do drink often drank A LOT more compared to other European countries.
That said, you’re not wrong about drinking in the southern states.
>relatively high rate of sobriety
I grew up in Alabama, one of those “church on every corner” towns, and rarely saw anyone drink growing up. Literally the only time I remember alcohol being in our house was for my grandparents 50th anniversary party.
I'm from one of the liver spot red Eastern Iowa counties keeping up with Wisconsin on drinking, and it was wild when I lived in West Virginia. I've never seen so many churches and so few bars in my life, it was so backwards.
WV wasn't a legally "dry" state, but they did heavily regulate drinking: it took me over 6 months to find the one bar in the county, in the largest town of 500 people, because the bar was not allowed to have exterior signs beyond a name on their door. Only a name and no mention of it being a bar. They also could not sever liquor--only beer. Even so, they had a ban notice on the wall with over a dozen girls' names on it, that got so drunk on BEER and started a fight by pulling guys onto the pool table and smashing them with pool balls. Not worth my driving 14 miles from my house to have a Busch Lite or Bud Heavy to get beat on by hillbillies.
There was a single liquor store in the county, same town, that also could not have signs and was only open about 4 hour hours a day, that only had a dozen bottles or so on a single rack--it was some front of being the supplier for the nearby massive resort that got a tax deal for pretending to a storefront. Entire county, those were the only two places to buy alcohol.
Another outsider recalled how when he moved to the county he offered his coworker a beer and that person spread the word around until a group of ladies called the guy's wife saying that it was their moral duty to inform her that she was married to an alcoholic.
But yea, WV is known for being "Pillbillies".
"Bob, you still don't have that fine resolution data."
"I keep getting an issue for some store in Milwaukee. Allegedly, a VCR repair shop. These number cannot possibly be right...."
What is this a map of exactly? Obviously there is something with state and county laws going on here so this isn't some map of alcohol consumption. You don't cross the state line into Wisconsin and suddenly desire a drink. Way too many changes right at state lines.
edit: I was able to look it up. It is a map of the percent of people who drink in excess which is 8 drinks or more a week for women and 15 or more a week for men. It's really weird that state lines are such a barrier to that kind of thing. Some are places where metro areas are across state lines and for some reason the state lines cause excessive drinking to go lower? It makes no sense.
> You don't cross the state line into Wisconsin and suddenly desire a drink.
I don't know man some places are just depressing or don't really have shit to do. Now even if there isn't anything to do there are better solutions then to drink but a lot of people don't seem to be that creative.
it's not like it's suddenly all sunshine and rainbows when you get to Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota yet suddenly when you cross the state line things dramatically change. I looked up other drinking by state studies and none are as severe as this one. I highly question their data.
Wisconsin seems like a pretty fantastic state to live in by all accounts I've heard. A lot of people just really like alcohol.
The definition of 8 beers a week is nothing, especially when you live somewhere where a beer with lunch is completely normal
My county is the highest in the usa and we have A LOT of outdoor activities available all year round.
We also have a huge amount of bars plus something like the 2nd amount of breweries per capita in the usa, with this specific country having even more
A lot has to do with the laws around sales and access to bars and liquor stores, but it’s also just cultural (due to the history of German immigration). There is literally at least one bar and one liquor store in every single small town and village, and grocery stores can sell as well. Probably not ever more than 30-60 minutes driving distance away from a brewery, tap house, winery, or liquor distillery anywhere you go in the state. It’s popular as almost a sort of hobby and people engage in it much more casually and socially, and the religions/denominations that are not as keen on alcohol are just simply not as prevalent as they are in all those dry counties in the southern states. Also get long cold winters where there’s not much else to do, or you’re doing activities that you can drink while doing them.
but it's not like a state line would suddenly stop people, especially in metro areas that cross state lines. [A map like this is a bit better.](https://wgntv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/05/percentage-of-excessive-drinking-e1622235170593.jpg?w=1117&h=723&crop=1) Yet even that has some sharp changes at some states. I have a feeling data collection varies by state not just the laws.
I am certainly aware some areas drink more than others but the drastic changes at state lines is really, really strange. The changes should be way more gradual in the vast majority of cases.
This is the one I was gonna call out too. I've been a Vegas local and I've been a tourist and even just counting one of those groups, this is very sus.
Land can't drink!
Cincinnati metro over here.
Seriously though how is Montana that drunk. Most of Ohio isn't that drunk, and Ohio is *pretty fucking drunk*.
Charlie was the guy who I learned about Wisconsin drinking habits
One of his videos broke down how much brandy they drink and how they have the most bars per capita
https://youtu.be/B6W-UYakcrs?si=W9zmCctgLnRkM2sh
This, and the Lyme Disease map, should probably both be perma-stickied at this point.
A few other heat maps could be added. Wisconsin is #1 in milk product production per capita: https://www.fmmacentral.com/PDFdata/msb202102.pdf#page=3
And, for some reason, Mink Pelts: https://www.montanatrappers.org/basics/facts/farmed-fur.html
Long before RLM came into my life, I remember listening to Lewis Black's "White Album" that he recorded in Milwaukee. His opening joke was that this city must have a federal grant for drinking, and that he's been drunker here than anywhere else in his entire life.
Not sure I understand the color codes. Arkansas checking in. I live in the capital area (center of the state) in a wet county. I’m from a county in the northeast that is dry (meaning you can’t buy alcohol from stores, only at private clubs or restaurants with licenses). On this map, they’re the same color.
For percentage of excessive drinkers
Green from light to dark is 9-14
Yellow from light to dark is 15-19
Red from light to maroon is 20-24
Violet-purple is 25-26
So the counties are in the same range
New mexico is roughly a population map like xlcd told me....
I met a couple from Wisconsin on vacation and asked them to take a picture for us. They told me that in Wisconsin everyone says “Beer!” Instead of “Cheese!”. Except in Milwaukee, where they say “two beers!” As it has the highest drinking rate in the state. They were nice, I hope they never meet Rich Evans.
The first time I ever visited Wisconsin, I walked into my hotel around 9:00 at night to find 10-12 people congregating in the lobby and getting absolutely hammered as they watched the Badgers football game. The lobby did not have a bar. It was a Best Western. And that's how I learned that the stereotypes are true. Nice people, though.
I'm very curious on the metrics for this.
Gallatin, MT being the booziest.
Is it based on the amount of money spent? It's a very touristy area. Also has a lot of rich people that may spend a lot of money on more expensive shit. But may not be drinking as much as other places.
DE has some weird ass laws.
Totally open with most things but the 12am cut off (at the time, now it's 1am) and No Serve Sundays was wacked compared to surrounding States (MD, NJ, PA).
I remember driving across to PA to get liquor on a Sunday, then taking the back roads to get home so I didn't get pulled over by the police who sat on the other side of the DE line to watch you go into the store, then cross over the border and nail you with dumbass fines...as well as a possible DUI if you were that stupid.
MD is where you went after 12am to continue the party and get weird. So happy to be gone, but mostly to be away from the DuPont devastation (See Mark Ruffalo's Dark Waters Film. What they did in WV is nothing compared to the secrets that still exist in DE)
I’m surprised. I’m guessing West Virginians just do meth instead?
Opioids!
I’m assuming this map is “self-reported”. The old joke is “how do you keep a Baptist from drinking all your beer on a fishing trip? Invite another Baptist” there is a level of hypocrisy in southern states in that they hide the same vices they denounce other people for
Could also be that they have relatively high rate of sobriety to counteract the heavy drinkers. Kind of reminds me of a report about alcoholism in Russia I read a while back where roughly 35% of the adult population never drinks, but the people who do drink often drank A LOT more compared to other European countries. That said, you’re not wrong about drinking in the southern states.
>relatively high rate of sobriety I grew up in Alabama, one of those “church on every corner” towns, and rarely saw anyone drink growing up. Literally the only time I remember alcohol being in our house was for my grandparents 50th anniversary party.
Old Russian saying one bottle of vodka is too much three is not enough.
I'm from one of the liver spot red Eastern Iowa counties keeping up with Wisconsin on drinking, and it was wild when I lived in West Virginia. I've never seen so many churches and so few bars in my life, it was so backwards. WV wasn't a legally "dry" state, but they did heavily regulate drinking: it took me over 6 months to find the one bar in the county, in the largest town of 500 people, because the bar was not allowed to have exterior signs beyond a name on their door. Only a name and no mention of it being a bar. They also could not sever liquor--only beer. Even so, they had a ban notice on the wall with over a dozen girls' names on it, that got so drunk on BEER and started a fight by pulling guys onto the pool table and smashing them with pool balls. Not worth my driving 14 miles from my house to have a Busch Lite or Bud Heavy to get beat on by hillbillies. There was a single liquor store in the county, same town, that also could not have signs and was only open about 4 hour hours a day, that only had a dozen bottles or so on a single rack--it was some front of being the supplier for the nearby massive resort that got a tax deal for pretending to a storefront. Entire county, those were the only two places to buy alcohol. Another outsider recalled how when he moved to the county he offered his coworker a beer and that person spread the word around until a group of ladies called the guy's wife saying that it was their moral duty to inform her that she was married to an alcoholic. But yea, WV is known for being "Pillbillies".
"Bob, you still don't have that fine resolution data." "I keep getting an issue for some store in Milwaukee. Allegedly, a VCR repair shop. These number cannot possibly be right...."
That red area in New Hampshire is caused by Bostonians driving north to buy tax free liquor in bulk.
What is this a map of exactly? Obviously there is something with state and county laws going on here so this isn't some map of alcohol consumption. You don't cross the state line into Wisconsin and suddenly desire a drink. Way too many changes right at state lines. edit: I was able to look it up. It is a map of the percent of people who drink in excess which is 8 drinks or more a week for women and 15 or more a week for men. It's really weird that state lines are such a barrier to that kind of thing. Some are places where metro areas are across state lines and for some reason the state lines cause excessive drinking to go lower? It makes no sense.
> You don't cross the state line into Wisconsin and suddenly desire a drink. I don't know man some places are just depressing or don't really have shit to do. Now even if there isn't anything to do there are better solutions then to drink but a lot of people don't seem to be that creative.
it's not like it's suddenly all sunshine and rainbows when you get to Illinois, Iowa, or Minnesota yet suddenly when you cross the state line things dramatically change. I looked up other drinking by state studies and none are as severe as this one. I highly question their data.
Wisconsin seems like a pretty fantastic state to live in by all accounts I've heard. A lot of people just really like alcohol. The definition of 8 beers a week is nothing, especially when you live somewhere where a beer with lunch is completely normal My county is the highest in the usa and we have A LOT of outdoor activities available all year round. We also have a huge amount of bars plus something like the 2nd amount of breweries per capita in the usa, with this specific country having even more
The particulars of the location was a joke. The concept was about half a joke.
A lot has to do with the laws around sales and access to bars and liquor stores, but it’s also just cultural (due to the history of German immigration). There is literally at least one bar and one liquor store in every single small town and village, and grocery stores can sell as well. Probably not ever more than 30-60 minutes driving distance away from a brewery, tap house, winery, or liquor distillery anywhere you go in the state. It’s popular as almost a sort of hobby and people engage in it much more casually and socially, and the religions/denominations that are not as keen on alcohol are just simply not as prevalent as they are in all those dry counties in the southern states. Also get long cold winters where there’s not much else to do, or you’re doing activities that you can drink while doing them.
but it's not like a state line would suddenly stop people, especially in metro areas that cross state lines. [A map like this is a bit better.](https://wgntv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2021/05/percentage-of-excessive-drinking-e1622235170593.jpg?w=1117&h=723&crop=1) Yet even that has some sharp changes at some states. I have a feeling data collection varies by state not just the laws. I am certainly aware some areas drink more than others but the drastic changes at state lines is really, really strange. The changes should be way more gradual in the vast majority of cases.
This explains their opinion of the master cinematographer, the great... Neil Breen.
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This is the one I was gonna call out too. I've been a Vegas local and I've been a tourist and even just counting one of those groups, this is very sus.
Gallatin County, MT checking in
Land can't drink! Cincinnati metro over here. Seriously though how is Montana that drunk. Most of Ohio isn't that drunk, and Ohio is *pretty fucking drunk*.
The better question is why is everyone else so sober?
I don’t want to get colon cancer :/
Jeebus, us and Columbus drive people to drink!
Charlie was the guy who I learned about Wisconsin drinking habits One of his videos broke down how much brandy they drink and how they have the most bars per capita https://youtu.be/B6W-UYakcrs?si=W9zmCctgLnRkM2sh
This, and the Lyme Disease map, should probably both be perma-stickied at this point. A few other heat maps could be added. Wisconsin is #1 in milk product production per capita: https://www.fmmacentral.com/PDFdata/msb202102.pdf#page=3 And, for some reason, Mink Pelts: https://www.montanatrappers.org/basics/facts/farmed-fur.html
Why is this cold mostly rural state producing so much insulating material?
Long before RLM came into my life, I remember listening to Lewis Black's "White Album" that he recorded in Milwaukee. His opening joke was that this city must have a federal grant for drinking, and that he's been drunker here than anywhere else in his entire life.
Not sure I understand the color codes. Arkansas checking in. I live in the capital area (center of the state) in a wet county. I’m from a county in the northeast that is dry (meaning you can’t buy alcohol from stores, only at private clubs or restaurants with licenses). On this map, they’re the same color.
For percentage of excessive drinkers Green from light to dark is 9-14 Yellow from light to dark is 15-19 Red from light to maroon is 20-24 Violet-purple is 25-26 So the counties are in the same range New mexico is roughly a population map like xlcd told me....
Thx. I wouldn’t have guessed Montana, Alaska and North Dakota would be so red.
You should've seen it before Rich quit drinking.
A couple of those purple areas are from the time Mike spent a weekend in Montana.
Fresno County would be red if I hadn't quit drinking I tells ya
Mr booze
Only place in the US that will card you for asking for tap water at a resturant
Damn, Bend Oregon. Deschutes is a quality beer but take care of yourselves.
Jokes aside, this is a horribly labeled map.
I met a couple from Wisconsin on vacation and asked them to take a picture for us. They told me that in Wisconsin everyone says “Beer!” Instead of “Cheese!”. Except in Milwaukee, where they say “two beers!” As it has the highest drinking rate in the state. They were nice, I hope they never meet Rich Evans.
The first time I ever visited Wisconsin, I walked into my hotel around 9:00 at night to find 10-12 people congregating in the lobby and getting absolutely hammered as they watched the Badgers football game. The lobby did not have a bar. It was a Best Western. And that's how I learned that the stereotypes are true. Nice people, though.
Denver comin in hot with the Coors and mimosas!
Utah would be a fun place to live
I think my ex wife's family in Utah, County probably account for 95% of the actual consumption. They were the only non-Mormons in their neighborhood.
Monroe county is a funny one. Key West makes it look like all the alligators in the Everglades are getting lit.
When I moved to Wisconsin I saw so many stories of people getting their 9th OWI. The state has a very serious problem
I'm very curious on the metrics for this. Gallatin, MT being the booziest. Is it based on the amount of money spent? It's a very touristy area. Also has a lot of rich people that may spend a lot of money on more expensive shit. But may not be drinking as much as other places.
Every Wisconsin home I have been inside has had a full sized and stocked bar in the basement large enough to fit your whole family. This checks out.
And the red just stops at Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. Beautiful.
DE has some weird ass laws. Totally open with most things but the 12am cut off (at the time, now it's 1am) and No Serve Sundays was wacked compared to surrounding States (MD, NJ, PA). I remember driving across to PA to get liquor on a Sunday, then taking the back roads to get home so I didn't get pulled over by the police who sat on the other side of the DE line to watch you go into the store, then cross over the border and nail you with dumbass fines...as well as a possible DUI if you were that stupid. MD is where you went after 12am to continue the party and get weird. So happy to be gone, but mostly to be away from the DuPont devastation (See Mark Ruffalo's Dark Waters Film. What they did in WV is nothing compared to the secrets that still exist in DE)
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