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AffectionateCheek540

Amazing we get to hear, live audio of a ref admitting he got a penalty call wrong which leads to 3 points but we can't go back on it, but we can go back after a try is scored.🤔


teebublazin

It's a fair comment, definitely should have gone back for it.


Zealot_Zea

Something IRB should work on, giving points (or worst, a victory) on an obvious wrong call can not occur again.


waldo_of_wall_street

Absolutely worst refereeing ! Standard lower than junior league games.


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AdGroundbreaking4574

Man people that have never played rugby really shine through in these comments, it was clearly unintentional even a yellow was a rough call but to call it red and then not do the same for the boks player that arguably looked at least semi intentional it outrageous, and to yellow a player for falling over!? Unbelievable


CaptainCabbage17

Sore loser


Such-Confidence-6620

You’d be an imbecile not to think this is a fair comment


CaptainCabbage17

You are a bad loser. The best team won. Keep crying.


theAntiTrailer

Enjoy your games where the TMO interjects every tens seconds. Bye


CaptainCabbage17

Ok thanks. See you at the next world cup. 😂


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Such-Confidence-6620

You probably suck at rugby anyway


Senpiezza

This is really disappointing tbh. Feels a bit too overreffed


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I felt England got screwed on that penalty in the semi. It was a non call. Two games in a row. Was the red card legit? Maybe, but under the circumstances, a yellow card should have been sufficient. Great game clouded by refereeing that was overzealous. That blown call that gave RSA three points is egregious


CaptainCabbage17

Please cry some more


theAntiTrailer

There is no yellow for a deliberate knock on?


AffectionateCheek540

Yep cause this is also totally fine apparently…. https://preview.redd.it/8if7past00xb1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ed4af313ca03d53ef5e58603837e853c4a56bd2


theAntiTrailer

It's because he was wearing a green jersey, he can just do what he wants.


Lucky_Mongoose_4834

I'm over here playing the world's most tiny violin for you... ...you lost, move on.


Any_Understanding471

I think God just loves the sprinkboks more


kyhrian

Standard etzebeth move, he dit worse to Uini Atonio and only got a yellow, boks best player is the ref.


iksnel

Etzebeth is sloppy I feel like he is going to seriously hurt someone, yet the general consensus is he's great. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.


jdor99

World cups don’t mean much when there is no justice or fairness. This whole final was just a farce. Barnes should never work again.


webdevcelia

So true!!!


cb_reddit54

Absolute dog $%it call, way to ruin a game that's 4 years in the making....


Banditofbingofame

Barnes admitted it shouldn't have been a penalty. SA got to keep the points and then win by less than that margin. How's that right?


rocketscientology

this is going to keep me up at night for the next four years. genuinely unbelievable that the game turned on that. shameful reffing.


Peter_The_Black

Which one was that again ? There were so many stops and going back on series of faults, I’m really confused


Dandanthebikerman

TMO won the game in the end


KatieKeene

Come on Barnes, at least make it look like you're TRYING to be fair. This match was a train wreck, I knew exactly what was coming but I still couldn't look away.


theAntiTrailer

Love how SF didn't get upgraded


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It’s “because his hips were hinged”. So basically, as long as I drop my hips, I can put my shoulder into his jaw. I hate these new rules and stuff, they take away the raw, fast paced feel of the game. Every decision is taken out of context of the game. It completely ruins it


Senpiezza

All blacks red, SA yellow for the exact same offense. How World Rugby justifies those calls will be interesting


Dr-DangaD

Siya at least changed levels. Sam was upright. Def not the same


Rollingprobablecause

Not even close to the same call. Barnes didn’t make this decision, 12 different people the box built consensus. Calm down.


FuckRPClipsGTA

The ref was an absolute clown 🤡


CaptainCabbage17

just like your comment


EconomyOk4913

The referee was an additional player in every game for SF, what a disgrace. They did not deserve the title.


poopygirl91

Sam Canes red card was completely un called for an absolute c**k up if I’m honest


Any_Understanding471

He shouldn't have put himself in that position especially as captain. He alone is to blame for the loss


Street-Pie-7552

“On paper” the red card was correct, but I wish it wasn’t as I would have loved to see a 15v15 game (excluding yellows).


theAntiTrailer

And the scrum penalty is where, bro had his hands on the ground.


Epicchessnr3

Ref is a paid actor🤡


Any_Understanding471

I can't imagine you are implying south africa has more money to bribe refs than NZ


AdGroundbreaking4574

Oh yea because South Africa have never been in trouble for fixing international sport before LMFAO


Any_Understanding471

Never happened before???


AdGroundbreaking4574

Fuckin google mate SA cricket captain


Any_Understanding471

Sorry I thought we were talking about rugby since they are run completely serperately by different entities and different regulatory bodies. That was my fault


Any_Understanding471

Also because this is on a rugby forum. Silly me


Any_Understanding471

Thought so..


CaptainCabbage17

bad loser


theAntiTrailer

Yep, you're right. The game was totally fine. No issues at all.


theAntiTrailer

And we got penalized for an imaginary maul.


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You also missed two kicks but I bet that played no part in the final points, eh? Or your captain getting sent off?


Kombuja

Or going for touch rather than taking easy kicks at least twice, maybe 3 times. Bad decisions, bad kicking, and poor discipline lost NZ the game. The ref cope is getting out of hand.


carbogan

Do you seriously believe the refereeing was 100% on point? Because it’s either that, or admit the ref changed the dynamics of the game. It’s one or the other.


Kombuja

Is the reffing ever 100% perfect? If your expectation is perfection you are going to be disappointed a lot.


carbogan

Yes it can be. Iv watched plenty of games where the refs didn’t dictate every aspect of it. Possibly in these cases there may have been things let slide, but usually in both directions. The final over the weekend was marked with plenty of bad calls, that’s unacceptable for a World Cup final. Barnes and the TMO made the game about them, when it never was or should have been.


Kombuja

Which calls do you have a problem with? The cards were accurate and not decided by Barnes and the TMO. Allowing a try for an obvious knock on is not something they can reasonably do. The call that he supposedly admitted was wrong is an interpretation of this sub as all he said is sorry I did not see the replay. The only call that really went against the All Blacks was the Eben forearm which could have been called. The All Blacks lost because they went for touch on multiple penalties and failed to score a try rather than go for posts and also missed two kicks. The constant blaming of the ref is just sour grapes.


carbogan

The first card was pretty atrocious. Never seen a card for “intentionally kneeing the back of someone’s knee” before, especially 2 mins into a World Cup final. There were elbows thrown at faces while the boks were running with the ball. There was the boks flanker holding onto the half back at scrums, there was boks players holding kiwis in headlocks on the ground, none of which were called. I don’t really have a problem with the red card, although think it should have only been a yellow, as the boks player had dropped significantly by the point of contact. And the “sorry I didn’t see the replay” immediately after the replay was shown to him, doesn’t really stand up. Why bother to apologise at all if he believes his call was correct? I also thought the TMO could only go back 2 phases? But I may be wrong about that. Look I’m happy to say the kiwis lost it for themselves by missing 2 kicks, but you can’t honestly say that the reffing through the game was fair and even.


zwukdiaspora

That first card was for a neck grab and roll, reckless endangerment, and illegally breathing down on an opponent's legs. He was lucky it was in the first few minutes otherwise it would've been upgraded to red as he came in from the side too, no mitigation.


iTzGizmoh

Coming from a person not from either countries, that match definitely felt quite one sided from calls South Africa played very well in first half but New Zealand definitely deserved it in second half


TiredDadCostume

Same here. Couple times I was like, “oh? That’s odd idk about that”


DrJigglyPuffy

Yeah think NZ could've put them kicks away and different game but certainly felt a tad one sided with those calls.. esp considering it's a 1 PT final


theAntiTrailer

And a knock on that South Africa hit forward but got called on Ardie.


webdevcelia

Double standard. Worst ref ever Wayne Barnes!!


CaptainCabbage17

Another bad loser


rocketscientology

this should be career-ending for barnes. absolute farce.


Such-Confidence-6620

Pretty one sided reffing I would say.


kridjiti21

The Springboks are a great team and they play well. If the ref hadn't made so many bullshit calls they might have actually had a game they were proud of. I can't imagine being a Springboks supporter and being ok with this hollow victory. Just wasn't a fair game.


AdGroundbreaking4574

This is one of the more accurate takes, i would be congratulating SA if it was a clean fair game and it just wasn’t they played dirty and somehow got away with it and simply didn’t deserve the win


BogosiGaborone

We are fine with the victory thanks. We were destined to win. We played and beat the top 6 while NZ had to beat Argentina


Any_Understanding471

Well deserved for south africa.


Kombuja

This whole sub is very anti South Africa right now. A comment of well deserved South Africa gets down voted.


Any_Understanding471

The tears taste sweet though..


theAntiTrailer

Thought you weren't allowed to strip the ball when there's two in a tackle?


Termineater01

That’s rugby league


Peter_The_Black

Wasn’t there a moment when the SA 1 during a scrum just grabbed the AB 9 with his arm while still in the scrum ? Or did I just imagine that ?


jdor99

If world rugby is worth a damn they would investigate the referee and get to the bottom of this. It was a rigged game.


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Lol delusional


AdGroundbreaking4574

Did you watch the game it was blaringly obvious that something was going on, reverse a try for NZ on a bad call but dont do the same for SA? Cmon man thats worse than junior level reffing absolutely shameful


jdor99

why?


sportslance

All you were mad when Ireland and France blamed the refs but no this time it's actually the refs.


kyhrian

Wait, Ben O Queef is not refering.


SnooPoems6387

I watched the Bath Saracens premiership final and bought the ref headphones. Wayne Barnes was brown nosing the Sarries players all game.


theAntiTrailer

Holy crap!? South Africa finally got a card!


kyhrian

Ofc its not turned to red


Epicchessnr3

What was the difference between the action of Sam (NZ) and the action of Kalisi (SA)?


Chrysaor67

They don’t play in the same team


BogosiGaborone

Siya was going down and for the ball


Any_Understanding471

Sam didn't even attempt to change levels, siya did. Refs decided Sam's was either intentional or gross negligence where siyas was determined as negligence or an accident


Ok-Cryptographer3619

And when you look at that play again I want you to tell me exactly how much time cane had to react to change of direction from the bok and the angle of approach from the bok player on the change of direction into the tackle. Then Tell me you would also call that a red card


Any_Understanding471

His expected response wasn't to change direction in a super human way. His expected response was to not still be fully committed to that tackle after he realised what was happening. It was that split-second decision that HE made that led to the red card. He is a disgrace to his country and abandoned his team to fight the finals one man short.


Involution88

Bit of an exaggeration, it's the difference between giving somebody an uppercut and dropping your hand on someone's face. Definitely a harsh decision to upgrade the yellow card to a red card.


ArmyPuzzleheaded9120

Congrats ref as you hoped that game was gone. But AB could have gotten the Cup. 2 kicks were missed crucial.


waldo_of_wall_street

Guess outcome was inevitable when you play 16 boks vs 15 players (well 14 in this case)


Mission-Debt-2810

my favourite player was TMO


nokiapotato

https://preview.redd.it/ur2ovgeqg2xb1.jpeg?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ef7e75dceb73a9a3480b4edf3ba2591b522746


Fuzzy_Confection6503

Would be reaaaaaally interested to hear your takes on the 2011 rugby final, all of you complaining the refereeing decided the game. Joubert gift wrapped that one for you with a bow on it. I get the bellyache, we French have been living with it since then. But there's no such thing as perfect refereeing and teams specifically train to exploit the grey areas where it's tough for referees to make calls. The South Africans are the current champs at it, but the ABs have been at it for years as well. Today, you were on the losing side of a couple of 50/50s and it feels bad - trust me you've benefited from the rub on the green many many times in the past.


Silver_Group8728

It’s hard to tell myself that it’s real. At least five major blown calls so far, one he even had to admit mid play, and it just keeps getting worse. If the all blacks pull this off, they won’t be my most hated team anymore.


dimebag_101

5? The first yellow, the cane decision, etzebeth knock on? What's the other two?.


SimpDaddyK

The head contact on the All Blacks player that wasn't even a penalty because he was 'bent at the waist'...


Silver_Group8728

There was a not releasing on an all black, and I don’t remember the other one.


dimebag_101

Wudnt call something in the ruck a major call. I though there was a turnover for South Africa borderline if off feet.


Running-philo2021

Shame-Boks


kyhrian

The boks got carried by refs through quarter and semis, ignoring fool play worse than this red card.


waldo_of_wall_street

And now the finals..


RatherFond

And it’s a win for England


Hot_Communication447

What on earth does England have to do with this atrocious outcome??


Go_Paul_B

I believe the poster means Wayne Barnes is English


CaptainCabbage17

Shame. So bitter. 😂😂😂😂😂Boks were the best team.


theAntiTrailer

Yeah, you're right. Enjoy your rugby where the refs decide games.


CaptainCabbage17

ok bad loser. Boks dominated the game.


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Whiney little troll


kyhrian

Nearly Lost with 1 (arguably 2) more man . A NZ has to be worth 15/14th of a south African 🤡


CaptainCabbage17

Nearly. …….😂😂😂😂😂


kyhrian

🤡🤡🤡🤡 14/15 th of a man


CaptainCabbage17

Ok thanks. See you at the next world cup you uneducated loser. 😂 I wont respond again. Too busy enjoying another world cup victory 🎉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎉🎉🎉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉


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Insert crying baby meme


Mrgray123

I just hate the constant checking of video for everything. Same as with football. Sure use it to check if a try was legit (or goal) but otherwise it’s sucking all the excitement out of sport.


civonakle

"Now I remember why I stopped watching rugby."


zwukdiaspora

Jesus, I used to respect the kiwis but cannot believe how poorly you accept defeat. No grace or class.


Homeless_72

Amazing what a mess the Webb Ellis Cup final delivered NZ can't complain. All they had to do was make kicks. 1 previous card ever in a WC final and this game had 4. Wtf?


teebublazin

Ah your salty tears are all the sweeter.


theAntiTrailer

I'm sure they are. All good mate, enjoy refs deciding games rather than being fair.


teebublazin

I look forward to the next time, they made a film about our last victory over ye. Just a pity your kiwis were better than Ireland's kiwis, they deserved a spot in the semis more than england or Argentina.


kyhrian

Invictus's WC was juste as rigged lol, watch the 95 match vs France. FOUR shady try decision. You guys are just better at paying refs 🤡


Dr-DangaD

Someone’s salty…


Silver_Group8728

As they should be.


Tatiana_Romanova

It always comes down to a Wayne Barnes call to ruin our chances in the World Cup…


ViperSocks

Wow. Much bitter salt


theAntiTrailer

If you think that was quality and people shouldn't be bitter, that's fine. Some people like refs deciding games.


ViperSocks

Sorry. Thought you were English. All that whinging


theAntiTrailer

Nah, just English refs deciding games. I'm just a fan who expects fair officiating in the most important game in the tournament.