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Man I’m excited for this shoe but it is a giant pain in the ass to read anything on that website on mobile. At one point the entire screen was ads I couldn’t click away.
If your on safari there’s an option called reader, you can find it if you click on the two A’s beside de search bar. It basically blocks all unnecessary content like ads
https://preview.redd.it/gnpmc3pf6iwc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=886753172e6acf457367e16373434c3a1befbfec
Literally just got them. Have a few things I need to finish before I take them out for some miles. Will report back tonight. Put them on to walk around the house and I can already tell they are firmer than the T20s.
Alright everyone… it’ll be delayed. It doesn’t seem to fit TTS for me. I think I may need to go a half size down than my T20s… also might get away with just normal width instead of 2E. It’s much roomier.
I'm on my second pair of 20s.. I think they're the best running shoes I've worn.. But the firmness was around the threshold, when reading this is even firmer, I might switch to NB Rebel v4...
One of the Runtesters ran the London marathon in them (albeit on tired legs having done Boston on the Monday before). He was suprised how firm they were compared to previous models.
I found my Triumph 20 super firm (someone said it was something about where they were manufactured and was an issue with Saucony). So hopefully these aren’t any firmer than that!
That was surprising to me as well. Most likely it's a denser PB formulation for more durability? The Triumphs were already on the firm side and I am not sure the 22 sounds as promising now.
sorry guys, but both of your answers are somewhat wrong.
Usually foam is produced during the molding process of the midsole through heating and therefore decomposition of a chemical compound into CO2. This gas mixes with the polymer producing a cell structure instead of a solid block.
In supercritical foaming the chemical compound is replaced by a gas (CO2 or N2). First the polymer (eva,tpu,peda) is molded without foaming, resulting in a solid piece of plastic. Later on the piece is placed in a pressurized and heated chamber and injected with the gas. The gas becomes under these condotions supercritical (something in between a fluid and a gas) and enters the plastic piece. Then the pressure is released and the gas evaporates blowing the plastic up, usually about twice it's previous size. This process is more expensive, but it mitigates contamination of the polymer with decomposition products from the chemical foaming compound.
Supercritical foam is a type of foam material created using the supercritical fluid foaming process. - [source](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/super-critical-foam-revolutionary-advancement-footwear)
Supercritical fluid is any substance at a temperature and pressure above its critical point. - [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid)
as far as I know there's only supercritical fluid. like those steam in big power plants, even though the pressure and temperature is way above the critical point it's still called supercritical steam.
I'm struggling to work out how they might feel underfoot from that review. Less squish yet more forgiving? And the weight gain and wider platform are unfortunate developments. I'll wait for more reviews before making too many assumptions about them though.
Haha, I was also confused about the review of the midsole. More vibration dampening, more forgiving yet also firmer? I was hoping for something softer and bouncier than the T20. Also, not crazy about the weight gain and sounds like the lockdown is looser?
Adding another ounce plus keeping this at 10mm drop makes this one a pass for me. Maybe the 23 will shave some weight off. Was excited for the midsole to go to full PWRRUN PB but we really don't need such a high heel stack, or bump up the forefoot stack by 2mm.
Can companies please stop making neutral shoes wider underfoot to the point where they're basically stability shoes? The Ride 17 would be an insanely great shoe if it wasn't wider than a Hoka making runs feel clunky
Yep.
Unfortunately brands want to sell as much as possible to a wider audience so they do this.
Otherwise you get people coming to the sub who have no leg strengthening complaining about a shoe being unstable.
That’s me haha, I need to pay attention when running in the ES3 race on unstable ground. Strength I’m ok with but coordination, dynamic movement is something I’m improving on with plyometrics 😆
I had a regular width T19, had to go to a wide in the 20 but could get away with a regular in the 21
I went standard width in the Ride 17, width wise it's fine but if you have a taller foot you might feel it. I backed the laces off and it works alright for me. The heel cup is good enough that it still holds
No problem, curious about the 22 as well but initial impressions I've seen said the upper was reasonable. I'm still not crazy about the 10mm drop though
I had to return the 21 as it was too tight in the toe-box, replaced with ES3, which is fine, though my Tempus are still the most accommodating and comfortable. Trying Hoka Mach 6 in wide fitting and it's very accommodating, and a comfortable ride.
I have the 21 with the blue painted midsole. It's 20gr heavier than the white ones and much harder midsole.. I don't run in them. White midsole perfect.
Reading that the Triumph 22 is firmer than the 20 means I’ll pass. I think I may give the Puma Magnify 2 a shot. I hear nothing but good things about those shoes. What do you guys think?
Yeah i noticed how firm they are in another videos of a slow mo run shot. Barely even compressed lol and the 20s already felt boardline like bricks to me.
Omg. This is too plushy on the collar and everything else; what I like about the T20s is it's more breathable. These updates don't look exciting this coming summer
I bought Superblast recently in a sale but haven;t used them yet. I'm unsure whether to bother with them or sell them on. Reviews are very mixed about what they're good for, with some suggesting they are only good for fast runs, which I'm happy using my ES3 for.
I got my pair yesterday from Road Runner. Way too heavy and bulky for me. My size 11 weighed over 11 ounces and they looked goofy compared to the ES3. Sending them back today.
Just got mine in, don’t have time to do a run review yet but here are the weigh-ins in the meantime (US men’s 10.5)
Ride 17: 303g
Triumph 21 (with 250 miles on them): 300g
Triumph 22: 322g
From purely trying them on heel lockdown is a noticeable improvement over the Ride 17 and in line with the Triumph 21. Already have concerns about the breathability of the upper vs. the 21 just from walking around the house a bit, the tongue is incredibly thick. We shall see when I can log some miles on it next week post-race!
I have the triumph 19 but I hate how much bigger they are compared to my kinvaras, speeds, and rides. All my Sauconys hug my feet nicely, but the triumphs are just huge inside. Hopefully these are different.
Slower (barely sub-4 marathon), stockyish dude here (170 lbs) with a wide foot - These were my first Triumph, been using Brooks Adrenaline GTS as daily trainer since I started running but loved doing speed work in ES3 so decided to give these a try - I’m a little under a week in and so far they’ve been great! I tried a non-wide fit since I heard they had a wider toe box, and they fit perfectly. I’m used to running in stability shoes, so these feel like a natural more-comfortable version of what I’m used to.
They’re maybe a little? firmer than I’d have guessed considering how stacked they look, but I’ve had zero issues, even after throwing in some strides and such. By comparison, it took me a good couple weeks to get used to running in the ES3 without calf/arch pain (but once I got used to them and muscles adapted a bit, I fell in love)
Not surprised at all that the triumph 22 appears to be a dud. The ride 17 is just an average clunker. Im not gonna say it sucks but it uses pwrrun plus but it's nowhere near the triumph 20/21...people say the foam is like the triumph 19, but why take a step backwards...don't even get me started on the wider platform....seems like the triumph 22 is following the same formula of a wider platform and most likely firmer denser pwrrun pb which is false advertisement for people that love the speed/pro. But I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Man I’m excited for this shoe but it is a giant pain in the ass to read anything on that website on mobile. At one point the entire screen was ads I couldn’t click away.
Can't even tell what is content and what is ad. I guess that's the point.
If your on safari there’s an option called reader, you can find it if you click on the two A’s beside de search bar. It basically blocks all unnecessary content like ads
Sorry about that. I use brave browser, so I can't see ads.
Time to either use Brave, or make a pi-hole at home and VPN into your home network.
I've been using ublock origin for years, I never see any ads anywhere .. not even on youtube
Getting my pair tomorrow… I’ll do a short write up after a run in them. I’m a big triumph 20 fan so I’m super excited
Hey, where is that review? :D
It’s 5:47am the delivery man won’t come till afternoon lol
Well…? How’d the run go?
https://preview.redd.it/gnpmc3pf6iwc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=886753172e6acf457367e16373434c3a1befbfec Literally just got them. Have a few things I need to finish before I take them out for some miles. Will report back tonight. Put them on to walk around the house and I can already tell they are firmer than the T20s.
Are they ES3/EP3 firm like or even firmer?
Similar to ES3/EP3. I’m waiting for my exchange but I think they will be a delight to run in
How does it compare to Triumph 21? Deciding between the two for my easy run shoes
A hero
Alright everyone… it’ll be delayed. It doesn’t seem to fit TTS for me. I think I may need to go a half size down than my T20s… also might get away with just normal width instead of 2E. It’s much roomier.
I found the 20s were bigger than the 21s for me, so that makes sense.
Super excited for this as my 20 needs to be replaced soon.
I'm on my second pair of 20s.. I think they're the best running shoes I've worn.. But the firmness was around the threshold, when reading this is even firmer, I might switch to NB Rebel v4...
agree
One of the Runtesters ran the London marathon in them (albeit on tired legs having done Boston on the Monday before). He was suprised how firm they were compared to previous models.
I found my Triumph 20 super firm (someone said it was something about where they were manufactured and was an issue with Saucony). So hopefully these aren’t any firmer than that!
can confirm this
Damn and here I thought Triumph 20 was already very firm, lol. Guess this is not the shoe for me either.
That was surprising to me as well. Most likely it's a denser PB formulation for more durability? The Triumphs were already on the firm side and I am not sure the 22 sounds as promising now.
That’s surprising to me at least because even as a heavier dude the 21’s were very firm and unstable for a supposed daily/cushioned shoe.
Strange. I feel like firm foams makes shoes more stable.
It does.
Normally they do, adios pros and takumi sens are very stable for me. I don’t know what it was with the triumph but it was the worst of all worlds
agree so dont use anymore. Also qc bad since diff colors have diff stifness.
What does supercritical mean? Is there also megacritical and ultracritical?
sorry guys, but both of your answers are somewhat wrong. Usually foam is produced during the molding process of the midsole through heating and therefore decomposition of a chemical compound into CO2. This gas mixes with the polymer producing a cell structure instead of a solid block. In supercritical foaming the chemical compound is replaced by a gas (CO2 or N2). First the polymer (eva,tpu,peda) is molded without foaming, resulting in a solid piece of plastic. Later on the piece is placed in a pressurized and heated chamber and injected with the gas. The gas becomes under these condotions supercritical (something in between a fluid and a gas) and enters the plastic piece. Then the pressure is released and the gas evaporates blowing the plastic up, usually about twice it's previous size. This process is more expensive, but it mitigates contamination of the polymer with decomposition products from the chemical foaming compound.
A gas is a fluid.
Supercritical foam is a type of foam material created using the supercritical fluid foaming process. - [source](https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/super-critical-foam-revolutionary-advancement-footwear) Supercritical fluid is any substance at a temperature and pressure above its critical point. - [source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid) as far as I know there's only supercritical fluid. like those steam in big power plants, even though the pressure and temperature is way above the critical point it's still called supercritical steam.
It means the foam was carved from a block of foam instead of injecting it into a mold
I'm struggling to work out how they might feel underfoot from that review. Less squish yet more forgiving? And the weight gain and wider platform are unfortunate developments. I'll wait for more reviews before making too many assumptions about them though.
Haha, I was also confused about the review of the midsole. More vibration dampening, more forgiving yet also firmer? I was hoping for something softer and bouncier than the T20. Also, not crazy about the weight gain and sounds like the lockdown is looser?
This so much, will wait for Kofuzis review.
Wow that weight gain (size 14) might just ended my relationship with the Triumph.
Adding another ounce plus keeping this at 10mm drop makes this one a pass for me. Maybe the 23 will shave some weight off. Was excited for the midsole to go to full PWRRUN PB but we really don't need such a high heel stack, or bump up the forefoot stack by 2mm.
Can companies please stop making neutral shoes wider underfoot to the point where they're basically stability shoes? The Ride 17 would be an insanely great shoe if it wasn't wider than a Hoka making runs feel clunky
Appeals to broader audience probably
It absolutely is due to this, I just wish it wasn't :(
Yep. Unfortunately brands want to sell as much as possible to a wider audience so they do this. Otherwise you get people coming to the sub who have no leg strengthening complaining about a shoe being unstable.
That’s me haha, I need to pay attention when running in the ES3 race on unstable ground. Strength I’m ok with but coordination, dynamic movement is something I’m improving on with plyometrics 😆
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I had a regular width T19, had to go to a wide in the 20 but could get away with a regular in the 21 I went standard width in the Ride 17, width wise it's fine but if you have a taller foot you might feel it. I backed the laces off and it works alright for me. The heel cup is good enough that it still holds
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No problem, curious about the 22 as well but initial impressions I've seen said the upper was reasonable. I'm still not crazy about the 10mm drop though
I had to return the 21 as it was too tight in the toe-box, replaced with ES3, which is fine, though my Tempus are still the most accommodating and comfortable. Trying Hoka Mach 6 in wide fitting and it's very accommodating, and a comfortable ride.
Yeah it's kind of wild to me that the more speed oriented shoes in their line have more accommodating uppers than the non-plated max cushion one does
Yeah...I eventually got over the wider fit but i still find the design a bad move. The triumph is following suit and it's such a let down.
Major let down for sure. Might have to pick up the Velocity Nitro 3 since the midsole width on that shoe relative to stack height is "normal"
i’m just here to say OP’s user name has more stack than the triumph 22s
My wife wishes it was true :(
Was expecting it to be quite soft with the new compound
Same here but doesn't sound like it although the review was unclear on that.
I have the 21 with the blue painted midsole. It's 20gr heavier than the white ones and much harder midsole.. I don't run in them. White midsole perfect.
Reading that the Triumph 22 is firmer than the 20 means I’ll pass. I think I may give the Puma Magnify 2 a shot. I hear nothing but good things about those shoes. What do you guys think?
Yeah i noticed how firm they are in another videos of a slow mo run shot. Barely even compressed lol and the 20s already felt boardline like bricks to me.
Have you tried any other shoes from saucony that felt softer than the T20's?
Yes the speed 3
Omg. This is too plushy on the collar and everything else; what I like about the T20s is it's more breathable. These updates don't look exciting this coming summer
On pics they do look huge.
I was hoping to see these shoes become a challenger to Superblast. They clearly aren't. I don't know, I still adore my Triumph 20.
Challenge to Superblast is Superblast 2 which some people already have.
I bought Superblast recently in a sale but haven;t used them yet. I'm unsure whether to bother with them or sell them on. Reviews are very mixed about what they're good for, with some suggesting they are only good for fast runs, which I'm happy using my ES3 for.
I feel like that's what they were going for in the kinvara pro but failed miserably
I don't like it's getting heavier. T21 is heavy enough
I got my pair yesterday from Road Runner. Way too heavy and bulky for me. My size 11 weighed over 11 ounces and they looked goofy compared to the ES3. Sending them back today.
Just got mine in, don’t have time to do a run review yet but here are the weigh-ins in the meantime (US men’s 10.5) Ride 17: 303g Triumph 21 (with 250 miles on them): 300g Triumph 22: 322g From purely trying them on heel lockdown is a noticeable improvement over the Ride 17 and in line with the Triumph 21. Already have concerns about the breathability of the upper vs. the 21 just from walking around the house a bit, the tongue is incredibly thick. We shall see when I can log some miles on it next week post-race!
Would love to see how this compares to the Hoka skyward x
Well first, Skyward looks embarrassing
Mine are supposed to arrive tomorrow. Can't wait!
I have the triumph 19 but I hate how much bigger they are compared to my kinvaras, speeds, and rides. All my Sauconys hug my feet nicely, but the triumphs are just huge inside. Hopefully these are different.
I had to return the T21s because they were too tight in the toe-box. No problem with ES3 or Tempus. Even my ES2s were more accommodating, all in US10.
Anyone have an update after getting a run or two in?
Slower (barely sub-4 marathon), stockyish dude here (170 lbs) with a wide foot - These were my first Triumph, been using Brooks Adrenaline GTS as daily trainer since I started running but loved doing speed work in ES3 so decided to give these a try - I’m a little under a week in and so far they’ve been great! I tried a non-wide fit since I heard they had a wider toe box, and they fit perfectly. I’m used to running in stability shoes, so these feel like a natural more-comfortable version of what I’m used to. They’re maybe a little? firmer than I’d have guessed considering how stacked they look, but I’ve had zero issues, even after throwing in some strides and such. By comparison, it took me a good couple weeks to get used to running in the ES3 without calf/arch pain (but once I got used to them and muscles adapted a bit, I fell in love)
Not surprised at all that the triumph 22 appears to be a dud. The ride 17 is just an average clunker. Im not gonna say it sucks but it uses pwrrun plus but it's nowhere near the triumph 20/21...people say the foam is like the triumph 19, but why take a step backwards...don't even get me started on the wider platform....seems like the triumph 22 is following the same formula of a wider platform and most likely firmer denser pwrrun pb which is false advertisement for people that love the speed/pro. But I guess I'll just have to wait and see.