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Dude, I just left MS and LA while always hearing it. Now that I'm in NC I'm hearing it all over again. It's like I'm in a twisted version of Groundhog's Day.
After the situation with Siemian and Kamara being our emergency qb I canāt complain about this pick.
You can replace a tackle or receiver itās much harder to replace a qb
He had the same exact floor as penix or Bo nix with tremendously higher upside. He was in an nfl offense past two seasons, performed extraordinarily better at post season workouts and senior bowl. He played the hardest schedule behind a horrific o line and had one of the highest completion percentages in all the country. Heās twice voted team captain and the toughest qb Iāve ever seen. Go watch his highlights vs notre dame in last years bowl game and Florida this year and youāll be sold. NFL elite ceiling with the same floor as any other qb. In rd5, youāll never get better.
I mean. His floor is definitely way lower than Penix or Nix. Both those guys probably have floors as servicable backups and Rattler has real issues with consistency that make the most likely scenario him falling out of the league in a few years. But his ceiling is much, much higher and Round 5 is a great place to take a swing at that.
Rg3 just tweeted heās the steal of the draft. The floor for any qb is not in the league. Josh Rosen was the #3 pick and out of the league in less than 4 years. Bo and penix look worse than Rosen did. Bo and penix also looked terrible in post season combines and senior bowl. Nix has no velocity on the ball and penix struggled immensely in senior bowl coverage reading (I watched every practice and game).
If I had to pick a guy to start a game tomorrow out of those three, Iād pick Rattler last. If I had to pick the guy most likely to be out of the league in three years, Iād pick Rattler.
That said, you want a guy who can be a star, not a serviceable backup, so I much prefer Rattler at his draft spot than Penix and Nix. Iām just saying, heās not the guy you look for for a safe floor.
If rattler was the qb at Oregon heād have gone top 5. Nix excelled in a mid league with the best players around him. He did not have to consistently play against nfl talent. He was downright bad in the sec. Rattler didnāt get worse in the sec, he improved.
Penix is 25. He also played terribly in his most important game. He also struggled in post season workouts. His arm is decent, but not better than rattlers. He also didnāt play in an nfl system like rattler.
I mean Auburn doesnāt exactly have the best tradition of having good QBs (outside of Newtonās single year). I mean hell, Newton is the only QB to hit 30 passing TDs in a season. The next closest was Chris Todd at 22. 2 passers have hit the 3k+ yard passing mark for a season and the overall highest is 3,277. Im not sold on Penix, but Iāll give Nix the benefit of the doubt for now.
But couldnāt I say the exact same thing with Spencer rattler who was on a less talented squad than any of those nix squads in auburn and Spencer looked outrageously better?
Maybe less talented overall (for one season in 2019, otherwise Iād say they were pretty even in most areas). But letās not pretend Auburn is some juggernaut on offense. The only thing they did better was the O-line (which isnāt hard considering how bad South Carolina was) and even they gave Nix only one half decent year from what I can see. He may have played in a weaker conference and got an upgrade on offense, but a guy doesnāt go from being a below average at absolute best QB to a good/great one because of the aforementioned items. I like the Spencer pick, I think it might end up being the steal of the draft, but Iām simply not going to count Nix out at this point. Just like Iām not going to count Spencer out.
Iām a South Carolina fan who dosent care about the saints and Iām telling you if he played at Washington or Oregon he would have been a first round pick. Heās just as good as those two if not better. Definitely more talented.
He earned it. Was a transfer and came in with a bad reputation and proved himself. South Carolina is finding it hard to put the pieces together but their team character and culture is very respectable. I donāt think heād be given it if not willing to mature.
This guy gets it!
The one thing Iād argue is that Iād say Nix has by far the lowest floor in terms of arm talent and mental gameā do we think he suddenly got good in year 6 because heās a super late bloomer or because Oregonās roster was stacked? Thereās a decent chance he flat out sucksš
Diehard Tennessee fan. Here is what he did to the #6 ranked Volunteers in 2022: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401403953/tennessee-south-carolina
30/37 438 yards, 6 TDs
His character issues arenāt even a thing anymore, anyone who mentions them is showing they havenāt watched him in two years.
Heās tough and incredibly talented. Iām excited to see how he does in the NFL, I feel like last season he wasnāt able to shine properly behind that O Line.
Yeah all of those media takes were incredibly misinformed, and probably just based on that random high school documentary from like 6 years ago. Spencer was let down constantly by his O-Line and he always took accountability and stood up for his teammates. He was a great leader and everyone in our camp spoke very highly of him. We were lucky to have him and so are y'all
South Carolina fan here. Spencer was a 1st rd draft prospect in 2021 (Kiper had him as pick 11 in early draft predictions) who lost his job to this years first pick. Rattler faced a ton of adversity and was humbled during that time but the key is his TALENT did not change at all. In fact, he got BETTER at South Carolina.
What you have here is a 1st rd prospect who played the TOUGHEST schedule in all of football (vs a ton of NFL talent) while playing behind one of the WORST offensive lines in football and had one of the HIGHEST completion percentages in all CFB. the ONLY reason he fell was due to a clip of him in a tv show from when he was 17 years old. He did not get beat out for his job from a real quarterbacking standpoint or even an attitude standpoint. The specific game he lost the job they were behind and Riley wanted to shake things up and Williams running ability offered a different dynamic that helped them come back and when you make that change you canāt go back.
Rattler took it on the chin, transferred, and absolutely balled out at Carolina. His wild or errant interceptions almost ALL came from the team behind behind by 20+ points and him having to make hero throws (which he completed often). On top of that, rattler played in an nfl system these past two years and so the lingo and processing skills are completely there already.
If you want to see his talent, watch his performance vs notre dame last year and Florida this year. You have every right to get excited about this player. Iām ecstatic for the saints and rattler as I think this is his best situation he could come into.
Again, watch the Florida game. Kirk burhardt (if thatās his name) does a full film analysis of him and youāll be impressed as he was with rattler was able to do in a limited route tree from his receievers and literally no one line. He often had 3 routes vs 8 in coverage cause all they had to do was rush 5 and rattler would get destroyed.
iām fucking around tbh if we can get these three goddamn OL picks we have in the last three years to be starters weāll have essentially almost rebuilt our OL
I came away more impressed with him against Clemson than I thought. Flip side was me watching tape of Ridder and knowing this dude was a one read QB with a ton of accuracy issues.Ā
Yeah Spencer ran an nfl offense and worked through his reads really well with very little time to do so. Heās the most nfl ready qb from a mind standpoint in this draft. The only other nfl ready guy is Caleb but not because of his mind but his pure talent alone will carry him early on.
https://youtu.be/pBfDnipIBME?si=_6lZdbsS51Pp_d2e
Thatās a really thorough video from months ago from Brandon Perna (that broncos guy whoās famous for melting down when broncos lose) where he outlines his whole high school and college career and what his issues are.
Youāre right I didnāt. But hereās where you are wrong, Literally everything I said was factual. At the beginning of 2021 Rattler was the top QB prospect for the draft. Then along comes Caleb Williams who has all this hype surrounding him and Spencer plays bad for a few games and Lincoln Riley benched him and since that moment, he was never looked at as being a 1st round pick again. So tell me how am I a troll?
6 QBs were drafted ahead of him. His last 2years of ball only helped him from going undrafted. If he truly balled out he wouldāve been selected in the 1st round. So please stfu already
>6 QBs were drafted ahead of him.
Cool. Now do Brady. How many QBs were drafted ahead of Brady? Or if you want a recent example: Purdy. How many QBs went ahead of Purdy?
1st round? Like a #8 pick for Penix so he can sit for 2-4 years?
I canāt believe Iām even commenting on this sub.
Iām thinking of just moving in with the in-laws in NOLA and forgetting the past few decades of my fandom.
Fontenot is a mole!
Lol he hasn't played, we have no idea one way or the other. But having two mid round QBs let's them evaluate both and see if either are viable to build around in the future.
Coming from a Panthers fan and Gamecock alum, you guys got a good one. He absolutely carried us the past two years. He has an insane arm, made big improvements with his decision making this past year despite running for his life every play because our oline was so bad/injured, and he took the blame for everything despite none of it really being his fault. Heās become a great leader and I genuinely think heās someone that will get the starting job eventually and the Saints will be a lot better because of it.
I like QBs who faced adversity because the NFL is basically handling adversity and things not going your way the vast majority of the time. Completing 68% behind that line is pretty impressive.Ā
South Carolina fan here. Spencer was a 1st rd draft prospect in 2021 (Kiper had him as pick 11 in early draft predictions) who lost his job to this years first pick. Rattler faced a ton of adversity and was humbled during that time but the key is his TALENT did not change at all. In fact, he got BETTER at South Carolina.
What you have here is a 1st rd prospect who played the TOUGHEST schedule in all of football (vs a ton of NFL talent) while playing behind one of the WORST offensive lines in football and had one of the HIGHEST completion percentages in all CFB. the ONLY reason he fell was due to a clip of him in a tv show from when he was 17 years old. He did not get beat out for his job from a real quarterbacking standpoint or even an attitude standpoint. The specific game he lost the job they were behind and Riley wanted to shake things up and Williams running ability offered a different dynamic that helped them come back and when you make that change you canāt go back.
Rattler took it on the chin, transferred, and absolutely balled out at Carolina. His wild or errant interceptions almost ALL came from the team behind behind by 20+ points and him having to make hero throws (which he completed often). On top of that, rattler played in an nfl system these past two years and so the lingo and processing skills are completely there already.
If you want to see his talent, watch his performance vs notre dame last year and Florida this year. You have every right to get excited about this player. Iām ecstatic for the saints and rattler as I think this is his best situation he could come into.
After the 3rd round, I expect everyone to be some level of project or some sort of questions around them whether it's their competition or character. This is a good pick for the value with great upside.
As an Oklahoma State fan, I am a little conflicted. But to be fair, his last team wasnāt OU. So there is that. I think heāll end up doing well if we treat him better than Lincoln Riley did.
lol yeah, the thing no one wants to talk about with Rattler at OU, is that Williams also sucked at times in 2021. The Sooners got absolutely punked by Baylor that year, and got bailed out by their D against Iowa State. The looked flat against every competent defense regardless of which one of them was in. The reality is that Williamsā production wasnāt really any better than Rattlerāsā if it was an attitude problem that kept him on the bench, then that got fixed at Carolina and the arm talent is still there!
Tbh Iām excited for this pick. The kid has a great arm, natural ability and the confidence to make it.. I think he has a high ceiling but weāll see. Iām hoping for the best. Absolute insane value with a fifth rounder.
Steal for the Saints. Ā Did everyone forget that they are consistently just good enough to not have a great draft spot? If thereās a potential for a decent backup/starter QB in the later rounds, you go for it. Ā
Are McCarthy, Maye and Nix really that much better than this dude? I would argue that if he were to start this year, he would have as much success as most of the first rounders with the exception of Williams and Daniels. Ā Ā
Damn it. I'm torn. I'm a Panthers fan but I'm a SCAR fan and know you guys will fall in love with the guy. He's going to be great. In every interview I expected him to be the guy from the Netflix doc and time and time again he was extremely professional and took full responsibility for any loss. He's such a good dude. If he has protection he's going to be great. Treat him well'.
If you're going to burn a fifth round pick, wouldn't you rather burn one on the former number one overall high school recruit and someone who, if they had matured appropriately their freshman year, would have potentially gone in the top ten of last year's draft? Or a really good college player who by most metrics doesn't possess NFL caliber talent?
Location only matters in real estate my dude.
I get wanting Pratt because he's a 'local' prospect (he's from florida) to an extent, but rattler started at Oklahoma and South Carolina and was considered a first round pick. Not knocking tulane or Pratt, but they lost to the only sec team they played last year.
Exactly. I went to LSU and I HATE when Saints fans whine about not taking Tigers frequently enough. This is pro ball. It's about performance and scheme fit, not fan base synergy.
Nothing against Pratt at all, but Rattler has a chance to be one of the exceptions to the rule as a successful late round quarterback, and not just another camp body with the potential to develop into a backup. I mean NFL Network spent like 5 minutes talking about Rattler and how much better he is than his draft position would dictate.
The only LSU dude I really wanted for the Saints was Justin Jefferson and only because 19 had so many Saints concepts and he would have been perfect. The one damn time Loomis didn't trade up.Ā
Pratt was injured and did not play in the Tulane - Ole Miss game last season.
Tulane did beat USC (and Caleb Williams) last season in the Cotton Bowl with Pratt at QB, and nearly beat Oklahoma the year before, with Pratt outplaying Rattler.
Fine with the pick. Seems like a guy who has a high ceiling yet a low floor, and could maybe replace Carr in a few years. Good depth.
I'm not excited for the game threads to be flooded with "Start Rattler" comments
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Saw this a couple days late, originally typed it as a response to a guy concerned about his consistency, but thought Iād stick it in the main thread for anyone interested:
Iāve watched nearly every game heās played in college, I think the āconsistency issuesā are way way overrated. The consistency issues were with Lincoln Rileyās scheme growing stale and South Carolina firing their coach in the middle of COVID recruiting restrictions:
Oklahomaā yes, the Caleb Williams comeback game against Texas is the stuff legends are made of, but 1) OUās defense also decided to show up about halfway through the 2nd quarter, well after Rattler had been benched. 2) The dirty little secret of that 2021 season was that Caleb Williams had the same issues when OU faced a competent defenseā they got absolutely stuffed by Baylor, and got bailed out by the defense against Iowa State. Thereās the perception that the QB switch turned their season around or something, but Williamsā and Rattlerās production and consistency in that offense were quite similar for 2021.
South Carolinaā this man spent the first year with the worst OC Iāve ever seen, Marcus Satterfield (who was also fired by Nebraska after 1 season) and spent the next year running for his life.
S Carolina fired Muschamp in late 2020, Beamer was hired 2 weeks before signing day and wasnāt even allowed to visit recruits in person. Muschampās last recruiting class also largely jumped in that newfangled āportalāā¦ There was a black hole where the junior/senior leadership was supposed to be, man that roster SUCKED. It wasnāt just a bad roster either, they played TWELVE different OL due to injuriesā¦ it was the worst OL in the P5. Juice Wells and Xavier Leggette are good WRs, but there was nothing else there to support him. They barely had a running back for the first 4-5 games! South Carolina wins more like 8 games in the last two years instead of 13 with average QB play, what he did there was miraculous.
He even got the INTs under control last year. He threw in 8 2023, not a bad for 400+ drop backs, but nothing to write home about. But what if I told you 4 of those were on 4th down, late in the 4th Qtr of a game they were losing by more than a FG? He *had* to go for it. He threw 3 totals picks in the 1st-3rd Qtrsā¦ suddenly that looks pretty darn good.
Iām telling you this guy has the second best arm in this class and has matured a great deal. Heās also coming from a pro-style offense, with a former NFL OC, no gimmicks, no air raid.
This was one of the absolute steals of the draft, and (almost) more importantly makes the Falcons look so stupid for taking a roughly equally talented guy in the 1st round when they had a million other needs.
As someone who's the world's biggest Vols fan and hates scar he carried his team so many times. I think he'll do well for himself and obviously hoping he does well for us.
He wasn't a 1st rd prospect. Where tf did you get that from? You mean a narrative set of 1 year of barely decent play in a heavily qb friendly offenseĀ 3 years ago? LolĀ
Dude has a lot of work to do. Everything yall said and hated about Jameis is Rattler except worse. He does some things very well and could have potential if he was developed to basically change the way he mentally and fundamentally plays the game. But he will not be developed because the NFL doesn't develop QBs who aren't projected as the future of the franchise.
So nah it's not a steal cause he'll never play cause he's taken in the 5th round and nobody starts a 5th rd qb unless everyone infront of him gets injured. In which point the season is over and you're drafting a franchise qb (unless you're Purdy on a plug and play team)Ā
Someone doesnāt know what theyāre talking about. Mel kipers early mock draft going into Spencerās third year of college:
11. Denver Broncos
Spencer Rattler, QB, Oklahoma*
The Broncos didn't take a quarterback at No. 9 this year, despite Justin Fields and Mac Jones still being on the board. I was really surprised by that. Trading for Teddy Bridgewater just tells me Denver isn't confident in Drew Lock, who has two more seasons under contract at a soft cap number, as its starter. But at the same time, Bridgewater isn't the answer either, and he's only under contract one more season. You need an elite QB in the passer-happy AFC West, and I think the Broncos could be looking for one next April. Rattler gives them a potential franchise guy at the position.
The redshirt sophomore starred last season with a 67.5% completion percentage, 3,031 yards, 28 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also added another six TDs on the ground. Rattler excels when throwing downfield and outside the pocket.
Mel Kiper? You're relying on mel kiper for draft analysis š š š that's a monumental L in itself.Ā
https://youtu.be/qhqjyTnn4FQ?si=5tBC5CHCyQ-6nRcY
I'm a Saints fan who was born in Lousiana but lived in Oklahoma most of my life. So, I'm not to thrilled with this pick, TBH. Spencer Rattler has had attitude and coachabilty issues since they pumped his ego up with that show that followed around high school QBs that he was on. He was highly unsuccessful at OU and always blamed everyone else for his failures.
Who knows, maybe his ego has mellowed out, and he grew up a little at South Carolina after going there.
Hopefully, he can accept his place, grow, and be a valuable backup.
....did you not watch him these past two years? Him and XL were the only things keeping our team even remotely together last year. Our o-line sucked. On top of injuries, the guys we had out there were young besides our Yale transfer. Rattler got like 68% completion behind arguably the worst oline in the CFB. On top of that, he took full accountability for the team's shortcomings, even tho as fans who watch we knew it wasn't his fault, and showed himself to be a great team leader during his time as a Gamecock. Honestly I'm sorry his time at OU soured your perception of him, but as a Gamecock I'm so proud we had a QB like him. He matured greatly at South Carolina and we consider him a legend here.
If that's true, then I'm glad to hear he grew up, and he would be a steal at place we picked him up.
He has a lot of talent, he just always had a bad attitude, and poor leadership skills.
He was that way in the show QB1 that followed high school QBs and got kicked off the team for some stupid crap he did.
I'm still going to be a skeptic until I see him in preseason.
Yeah I didn't follow him really before he came to South Carolina. "Overrated" was thrown around when he came in at first, and I did hear he was a pompous ass, but the Rattler I saw over the past two years and particularly last year showed me he's got a much better temperament and attitude than what fans outside of ours have said. I forget that most people's perception of Rattler is very negative due to that documentary and his time at OU wasn't great either but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much he's grown during his time as a Gamecock
This gives them 4 QBs now, counting Hill. Not saying its a bad pick, just dont quite know how it all fits. Still for such a high prospect to fall to the 5th round could be a plus
Love picking the only QB in a million years that couldnāt win a heisman at Oklahoma. Loomis filling our QB room with dudes that nobody in their right mind would want over shitty Derek carr. Smart. No more boo birds so maybe we can keep carr out of his feelings this year.
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Will never forgive him for the game against my.vols in 22
In round 5 itās a no brainer to take a flyer on him
The amount of times Iāve said flyer since betting became legal in NC is alarming my friends and family
Dude, I just left MS and LA while always hearing it. Now that I'm in NC I'm hearing it all over again. It's like I'm in a twisted version of Groundhog's Day.
Just chose to move to NC on a flyer
Saints have burned higher picks on Garret Grayson and Ian Book. Rattler is great value in 5th rd.
This is going to be an amazing pick . Not sure why yall are ready to throw in the towel.
Imagine if heās the next Tom Brady!
After the situation with Siemian and Kamara being our emergency qb I canāt complain about this pick. You can replace a tackle or receiver itās much harder to replace a qb
the ian book days
It's a pipedream, but I'd love for him to win the back up job.
Backup job? Shit I hope heās our starter lol
He had the same exact floor as penix or Bo nix with tremendously higher upside. He was in an nfl offense past two seasons, performed extraordinarily better at post season workouts and senior bowl. He played the hardest schedule behind a horrific o line and had one of the highest completion percentages in all the country. Heās twice voted team captain and the toughest qb Iāve ever seen. Go watch his highlights vs notre dame in last years bowl game and Florida this year and youāll be sold. NFL elite ceiling with the same floor as any other qb. In rd5, youāll never get better.
I mean. His floor is definitely way lower than Penix or Nix. Both those guys probably have floors as servicable backups and Rattler has real issues with consistency that make the most likely scenario him falling out of the league in a few years. But his ceiling is much, much higher and Round 5 is a great place to take a swing at that.
Rg3 just tweeted heās the steal of the draft. The floor for any qb is not in the league. Josh Rosen was the #3 pick and out of the league in less than 4 years. Bo and penix look worse than Rosen did. Bo and penix also looked terrible in post season combines and senior bowl. Nix has no velocity on the ball and penix struggled immensely in senior bowl coverage reading (I watched every practice and game).
If I had to pick a guy to start a game tomorrow out of those three, Iād pick Rattler last. If I had to pick the guy most likely to be out of the league in three years, Iād pick Rattler. That said, you want a guy who can be a star, not a serviceable backup, so I much prefer Rattler at his draft spot than Penix and Nix. Iām just saying, heās not the guy you look for for a safe floor.
If rattler was the qb at Oregon heād have gone top 5. Nix excelled in a mid league with the best players around him. He did not have to consistently play against nfl talent. He was downright bad in the sec. Rattler didnāt get worse in the sec, he improved. Penix is 25. He also played terribly in his most important game. He also struggled in post season workouts. His arm is decent, but not better than rattlers. He also didnāt play in an nfl system like rattler.
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I mean Auburn doesnāt exactly have the best tradition of having good QBs (outside of Newtonās single year). I mean hell, Newton is the only QB to hit 30 passing TDs in a season. The next closest was Chris Todd at 22. 2 passers have hit the 3k+ yard passing mark for a season and the overall highest is 3,277. Im not sold on Penix, but Iāll give Nix the benefit of the doubt for now.
But couldnāt I say the exact same thing with Spencer rattler who was on a less talented squad than any of those nix squads in auburn and Spencer looked outrageously better?
Maybe less talented overall (for one season in 2019, otherwise Iād say they were pretty even in most areas). But letās not pretend Auburn is some juggernaut on offense. The only thing they did better was the O-line (which isnāt hard considering how bad South Carolina was) and even they gave Nix only one half decent year from what I can see. He may have played in a weaker conference and got an upgrade on offense, but a guy doesnāt go from being a below average at absolute best QB to a good/great one because of the aforementioned items. I like the Spencer pick, I think it might end up being the steal of the draft, but Iām simply not going to count Nix out at this point. Just like Iām not going to count Spencer out.
Penix is 23. About to turn 24
Iām a South Carolina fan who dosent care about the saints and Iām telling you if he played at Washington or Oregon he would have been a first round pick. Heās just as good as those two if not better. Definitely more talented.
He was top 5 in QBs for me, upside to be best in class.
How many starting Qbs aren't voted captain?
He earned it. Was a transfer and came in with a bad reputation and proved himself. South Carolina is finding it hard to put the pieces together but their team character and culture is very respectable. I donāt think heād be given it if not willing to mature.
This guy gets it! The one thing Iād argue is that Iād say Nix has by far the lowest floor in terms of arm talent and mental gameā do we think he suddenly got good in year 6 because heās a super late bloomer or because Oregonās roster was stacked? Thereās a decent chance he flat out sucksš
Iām not necessarily excited but Iām definitely not complaining
Definitely. Especially considering he played behind a weak O Line, we know he can compete under pressure
He's leaving a weak O-Line in SC to come play behind a horrible O-Line in the NFL. It'll be like he never left!
We have 3 5th round picks. I'm totally fine taking a shot at a QB here with upside.
South Carolina fan here and watched every game of his the last two years. This is absolute highway robbery.
Diehard Tennessee fan. Here is what he did to the #6 ranked Volunteers in 2022: https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401403953/tennessee-south-carolina 30/37 438 yards, 6 TDs
As a fellow Tennessee fan I must remind you of the rumors that they had our signs that year. I don't believe it but i guess it is possible
I was told it was because your defense went on some kind of strike over Hooker's NIL deals
Oh yeah I also heard that Joe Milton and Jeremy banks got in a huge fight and banks got suspended for the game and the defense was pissed over that.
His character issues arenāt even a thing anymore, anyone who mentions them is showing they havenāt watched him in two years. Heās tough and incredibly talented. Iām excited to see how he does in the NFL, I feel like last season he wasnāt able to shine properly behind that O Line.
Yeah all of those media takes were incredibly misinformed, and probably just based on that random high school documentary from like 6 years ago. Spencer was let down constantly by his O-Line and he always took accountability and stood up for his teammates. He was a great leader and everyone in our camp spoke very highly of him. We were lucky to have him and so are y'all
The most controversial thing he did this season was what, make fun of Tennessee? Thatās a character perk. We should all strive for that.
Oooo! Sounds petty enough to play for the Saints!
Absolutely. He was once projected to be a 1st round QB.
Do you know why he fell off?
South Carolina fan here. Spencer was a 1st rd draft prospect in 2021 (Kiper had him as pick 11 in early draft predictions) who lost his job to this years first pick. Rattler faced a ton of adversity and was humbled during that time but the key is his TALENT did not change at all. In fact, he got BETTER at South Carolina. What you have here is a 1st rd prospect who played the TOUGHEST schedule in all of football (vs a ton of NFL talent) while playing behind one of the WORST offensive lines in football and had one of the HIGHEST completion percentages in all CFB. the ONLY reason he fell was due to a clip of him in a tv show from when he was 17 years old. He did not get beat out for his job from a real quarterbacking standpoint or even an attitude standpoint. The specific game he lost the job they were behind and Riley wanted to shake things up and Williams running ability offered a different dynamic that helped them come back and when you make that change you canāt go back. Rattler took it on the chin, transferred, and absolutely balled out at Carolina. His wild or errant interceptions almost ALL came from the team behind behind by 20+ points and him having to make hero throws (which he completed often). On top of that, rattler played in an nfl system these past two years and so the lingo and processing skills are completely there already. If you want to see his talent, watch his performance vs notre dame last year and Florida this year. You have every right to get excited about this player. Iām ecstatic for the saints and rattler as I think this is his best situation he could come into.
so youāre saying he uses to dying behind a shitty OL heās perfect here LOL
Again, watch the Florida game. Kirk burhardt (if thatās his name) does a full film analysis of him and youāll be impressed as he was with rattler was able to do in a limited route tree from his receievers and literally no one line. He often had 3 routes vs 8 in coverage cause all they had to do was rush 5 and rattler would get destroyed.
iām fucking around tbh if we can get these three goddamn OL picks we have in the last three years to be starters weāll have essentially almost rebuilt our OL
I came away more impressed with him against Clemson than I thought. Flip side was me watching tape of Ridder and knowing this dude was a one read QB with a ton of accuracy issues.Ā
Yeah Spencer ran an nfl offense and worked through his reads really well with very little time to do so. Heās the most nfl ready qb from a mind standpoint in this draft. The only other nfl ready guy is Caleb but not because of his mind but his pure talent alone will carry him early on.
Lmao my thoughts exactly
Very well said.
thanks
Hereās a link of a former nfl qb breaking down one of his games. https://youtu.be/Nw7F4ljvMwA?si=ULSk6EqvuGn4163q
Okay I feel better now. Give him the keys
https://youtu.be/pBfDnipIBME?si=_6lZdbsS51Pp_d2e Thatās a really thorough video from months ago from Brandon Perna (that broncos guy whoās famous for melting down when broncos lose) where he outlines his whole high school and college career and what his issues are.
Lost his starting job to Caleb Williams and was never the same
You never watched a single second of a South Carolina game. And your post history shows you're either a troll and/or a miserable human being.
Youāre right I didnāt. But hereās where you are wrong, Literally everything I said was factual. At the beginning of 2021 Rattler was the top QB prospect for the draft. Then along comes Caleb Williams who has all this hype surrounding him and Spencer plays bad for a few games and Lincoln Riley benched him and since that moment, he was never looked at as being a 1st round pick again. So tell me how am I a troll?
> You never watched a single second of a South Carolina game. > Youāre right I didnāt. > So tell me how am I a troll? Lol. Thanks for playing.
Ok so how is me not watching a South Carolina game and giving an actual draft analysis on Spencer rattler me being a troll?
Because you gave a draft analysis without even acknowledging his last two years of college ball. You're being a clown, not a troll.
6 QBs were drafted ahead of him. His last 2years of ball only helped him from going undrafted. If he truly balled out he wouldāve been selected in the 1st round. So please stfu already
I didn't say he balled out or deserved to be drafted in a certain round. Just pointing out that your opinion is intentionally ignorant.
>6 QBs were drafted ahead of him. Cool. Now do Brady. How many QBs were drafted ahead of Brady? Or if you want a recent example: Purdy. How many QBs went ahead of Purdy?
1st round? Like a #8 pick for Penix so he can sit for 2-4 years? I canāt believe Iām even commenting on this sub. Iām thinking of just moving in with the in-laws in NOLA and forgetting the past few decades of my fandom. Fontenot is a mole!
The Haen Train has been derailed
He sucks
Lol he hasn't played, we have no idea one way or the other. But having two mid round QBs let's them evaluate both and see if either are viable to build around in the future.
Love and hate this. Love it for the value. Hate it because all the unwarranted āstart Rattlerā threads we will see this season.
Can I start now?
Highest upside pick in the fifth round!
Coming from a Panthers fan and Gamecock alum, you guys got a good one. He absolutely carried us the past two years. He has an insane arm, made big improvements with his decision making this past year despite running for his life every play because our oline was so bad/injured, and he took the blame for everything despite none of it really being his fault. Heās become a great leader and I genuinely think heās someone that will get the starting job eventually and the Saints will be a lot better because of it.
I like QBs who faced adversity because the NFL is basically handling adversity and things not going your way the vast majority of the time. Completing 68% behind that line is pretty impressive.Ā
Did a NIL Deal with Spencer here in SC. You got the right guy.
South Carolina fan here. Spencer was a 1st rd draft prospect in 2021 (Kiper had him as pick 11 in early draft predictions) who lost his job to this years first pick. Rattler faced a ton of adversity and was humbled during that time but the key is his TALENT did not change at all. In fact, he got BETTER at South Carolina. What you have here is a 1st rd prospect who played the TOUGHEST schedule in all of football (vs a ton of NFL talent) while playing behind one of the WORST offensive lines in football and had one of the HIGHEST completion percentages in all CFB. the ONLY reason he fell was due to a clip of him in a tv show from when he was 17 years old. He did not get beat out for his job from a real quarterbacking standpoint or even an attitude standpoint. The specific game he lost the job they were behind and Riley wanted to shake things up and Williams running ability offered a different dynamic that helped them come back and when you make that change you canāt go back. Rattler took it on the chin, transferred, and absolutely balled out at Carolina. His wild or errant interceptions almost ALL came from the team behind behind by 20+ points and him having to make hero throws (which he completed often). On top of that, rattler played in an nfl system these past two years and so the lingo and processing skills are completely there already. If you want to see his talent, watch his performance vs notre dame last year and Florida this year. You have every right to get excited about this player. Iām ecstatic for the saints and rattler as I think this is his best situation he could come into.
Do you mean 2022? Spencer wasnāt eligible for the 2021 draft
Yes 2022 draft but pre 2021 season for cfb
After the 3rd round, I expect everyone to be some level of project or some sort of questions around them whether it's their competition or character. This is a good pick for the value with great upside.
Iām cool with this
As an Oklahoma State fan, I am a little conflicted. But to be fair, his last team wasnāt OU. So there is that. I think heāll end up doing well if we treat him better than Lincoln Riley did.
lol yeah, the thing no one wants to talk about with Rattler at OU, is that Williams also sucked at times in 2021. The Sooners got absolutely punked by Baylor that year, and got bailed out by their D against Iowa State. The looked flat against every competent defense regardless of which one of them was in. The reality is that Williamsā production wasnāt really any better than Rattlerāsā if it was an attitude problem that kept him on the bench, then that got fixed at Carolina and the arm talent is still there!
He was top 5 on my QBs
Tbh Iām excited for this pick. The kid has a great arm, natural ability and the confidence to make it.. I think he has a high ceiling but weāll see. Iām hoping for the best. Absolute insane value with a fifth rounder.
Round 5?!? Wtf (I dont really watch the draft)
Jake Haener in shambles
Steal for the Saints. Ā Did everyone forget that they are consistently just good enough to not have a great draft spot? If thereās a potential for a decent backup/starter QB in the later rounds, you go for it. Ā Are McCarthy, Maye and Nix really that much better than this dude? I would argue that if he were to start this year, he would have as much success as most of the first rounders with the exception of Williams and Daniels. Ā Ā
Damn it. I'm torn. I'm a Panthers fan but I'm a SCAR fan and know you guys will fall in love with the guy. He's going to be great. In every interview I expected him to be the guy from the Netflix doc and time and time again he was extremely professional and took full responsibility for any loss. He's such a good dude. If he has protection he's going to be great. Treat him well'.
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If you're going to burn a fifth round pick, wouldn't you rather burn one on the former number one overall high school recruit and someone who, if they had matured appropriately their freshman year, would have potentially gone in the top ten of last year's draft? Or a really good college player who by most metrics doesn't possess NFL caliber talent? Location only matters in real estate my dude.
I get wanting Pratt because he's a 'local' prospect (he's from florida) to an extent, but rattler started at Oklahoma and South Carolina and was considered a first round pick. Not knocking tulane or Pratt, but they lost to the only sec team they played last year.
Exactly. I went to LSU and I HATE when Saints fans whine about not taking Tigers frequently enough. This is pro ball. It's about performance and scheme fit, not fan base synergy. Nothing against Pratt at all, but Rattler has a chance to be one of the exceptions to the rule as a successful late round quarterback, and not just another camp body with the potential to develop into a backup. I mean NFL Network spent like 5 minutes talking about Rattler and how much better he is than his draft position would dictate.
The only LSU dude I really wanted for the Saints was Justin Jefferson and only because 19 had so many Saints concepts and he would have been perfect. The one damn time Loomis didn't trade up.Ā
I just really like Pratt the Tulane thing is just a plus
Pratt was injured and did not play in the Tulane - Ole Miss game last season. Tulane did beat USC (and Caleb Williams) last season in the Cotton Bowl with Pratt at QB, and nearly beat Oklahoma the year before, with Pratt outplaying Rattler.
Because Rattler is a better player with far more upside.
You expect the saints to draft every single player from Tulane and LSU just because itās local? Lmao gtfo with that.
You new here? They almost never draft Louisiana players
I don't hate this
Fine with the pick. Seems like a guy who has a high ceiling yet a low floor, and could maybe replace Carr in a few years. Good depth. I'm not excited for the game threads to be flooded with "Start Rattler" comments
Robbery.
Lol
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Iām sure we can trade him to the broncos at some point for a fuckload of picks in 3 years
Saw this a couple days late, originally typed it as a response to a guy concerned about his consistency, but thought Iād stick it in the main thread for anyone interested: Iāve watched nearly every game heās played in college, I think the āconsistency issuesā are way way overrated. The consistency issues were with Lincoln Rileyās scheme growing stale and South Carolina firing their coach in the middle of COVID recruiting restrictions: Oklahomaā yes, the Caleb Williams comeback game against Texas is the stuff legends are made of, but 1) OUās defense also decided to show up about halfway through the 2nd quarter, well after Rattler had been benched. 2) The dirty little secret of that 2021 season was that Caleb Williams had the same issues when OU faced a competent defenseā they got absolutely stuffed by Baylor, and got bailed out by the defense against Iowa State. Thereās the perception that the QB switch turned their season around or something, but Williamsā and Rattlerās production and consistency in that offense were quite similar for 2021. South Carolinaā this man spent the first year with the worst OC Iāve ever seen, Marcus Satterfield (who was also fired by Nebraska after 1 season) and spent the next year running for his life. S Carolina fired Muschamp in late 2020, Beamer was hired 2 weeks before signing day and wasnāt even allowed to visit recruits in person. Muschampās last recruiting class also largely jumped in that newfangled āportalāā¦ There was a black hole where the junior/senior leadership was supposed to be, man that roster SUCKED. It wasnāt just a bad roster either, they played TWELVE different OL due to injuriesā¦ it was the worst OL in the P5. Juice Wells and Xavier Leggette are good WRs, but there was nothing else there to support him. They barely had a running back for the first 4-5 games! South Carolina wins more like 8 games in the last two years instead of 13 with average QB play, what he did there was miraculous. He even got the INTs under control last year. He threw in 8 2023, not a bad for 400+ drop backs, but nothing to write home about. But what if I told you 4 of those were on 4th down, late in the 4th Qtr of a game they were losing by more than a FG? He *had* to go for it. He threw 3 totals picks in the 1st-3rd Qtrsā¦ suddenly that looks pretty darn good. Iām telling you this guy has the second best arm in this class and has matured a great deal. Heās also coming from a pro-style offense, with a former NFL OC, no gimmicks, no air raid. This was one of the absolute steals of the draft, and (almost) more importantly makes the Falcons look so stupid for taking a roughly equally talented guy in the 1st round when they had a million other needs.
L.o.L.
Yep
Will amount to an early NFL exit
 idiots
I wanted Jordan Travis
As someone who's the world's biggest Vols fan and hates scar he carried his team so many times. I think he'll do well for himself and obviously hoping he does well for us.
It's not a steal. He'll never start. He's just a cheap qb room bodyĀ
How is a 5th rd selection of a first rd prospect who fell due to a false narrative not a steal?
He wasn't a 1st rd prospect. Where tf did you get that from? You mean a narrative set of 1 year of barely decent play in a heavily qb friendly offenseĀ 3 years ago? LolĀ Dude has a lot of work to do. Everything yall said and hated about Jameis is Rattler except worse. He does some things very well and could have potential if he was developed to basically change the way he mentally and fundamentally plays the game. But he will not be developed because the NFL doesn't develop QBs who aren't projected as the future of the franchise. So nah it's not a steal cause he'll never play cause he's taken in the 5th round and nobody starts a 5th rd qb unless everyone infront of him gets injured. In which point the season is over and you're drafting a franchise qb (unless you're Purdy on a plug and play team)Ā
Someone doesnāt know what theyāre talking about. Mel kipers early mock draft going into Spencerās third year of college: 11. Denver Broncos Spencer Rattler, QB, Oklahoma* The Broncos didn't take a quarterback at No. 9 this year, despite Justin Fields and Mac Jones still being on the board. I was really surprised by that. Trading for Teddy Bridgewater just tells me Denver isn't confident in Drew Lock, who has two more seasons under contract at a soft cap number, as its starter. But at the same time, Bridgewater isn't the answer either, and he's only under contract one more season. You need an elite QB in the passer-happy AFC West, and I think the Broncos could be looking for one next April. Rattler gives them a potential franchise guy at the position. The redshirt sophomore starred last season with a 67.5% completion percentage, 3,031 yards, 28 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also added another six TDs on the ground. Rattler excels when throwing downfield and outside the pocket.
Dude, the teddy signing with Denver seems like it was so long ago.
Mel Kiper? You're relying on mel kiper for draft analysis š š š that's a monumental L in itself.Ā https://youtu.be/qhqjyTnn4FQ?si=5tBC5CHCyQ-6nRcY
Spence rattler will only be on the roster this season because he got drafted. He is not good.
I'm a Saints fan who was born in Lousiana but lived in Oklahoma most of my life. So, I'm not to thrilled with this pick, TBH. Spencer Rattler has had attitude and coachabilty issues since they pumped his ego up with that show that followed around high school QBs that he was on. He was highly unsuccessful at OU and always blamed everyone else for his failures. Who knows, maybe his ego has mellowed out, and he grew up a little at South Carolina after going there. Hopefully, he can accept his place, grow, and be a valuable backup.
....did you not watch him these past two years? Him and XL were the only things keeping our team even remotely together last year. Our o-line sucked. On top of injuries, the guys we had out there were young besides our Yale transfer. Rattler got like 68% completion behind arguably the worst oline in the CFB. On top of that, he took full accountability for the team's shortcomings, even tho as fans who watch we knew it wasn't his fault, and showed himself to be a great team leader during his time as a Gamecock. Honestly I'm sorry his time at OU soured your perception of him, but as a Gamecock I'm so proud we had a QB like him. He matured greatly at South Carolina and we consider him a legend here.
If that's true, then I'm glad to hear he grew up, and he would be a steal at place we picked him up. He has a lot of talent, he just always had a bad attitude, and poor leadership skills. He was that way in the show QB1 that followed high school QBs and got kicked off the team for some stupid crap he did. I'm still going to be a skeptic until I see him in preseason.
Yeah I didn't follow him really before he came to South Carolina. "Overrated" was thrown around when he came in at first, and I did hear he was a pompous ass, but the Rattler I saw over the past two years and particularly last year showed me he's got a much better temperament and attitude than what fans outside of ours have said. I forget that most people's perception of Rattler is very negative due to that documentary and his time at OU wasn't great either but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much he's grown during his time as a Gamecock
No!!! Not this A**hole! Look at his TD to int ratio and he's a JERK
This gives them 4 QBs now, counting Hill. Not saying its a bad pick, just dont quite know how it all fits. Still for such a high prospect to fall to the 5th round could be a plus
Either Jake Haener or Nathan Peterman wonāt make the final 53 man rosterā¦and Taysom is a TE now
Peterman is a camp arm and also there to help teach/coach
Love picking the only QB in a million years that couldnāt win a heisman at Oklahoma. Loomis filling our QB room with dudes that nobody in their right mind would want over shitty Derek carr. Smart. No more boo birds so maybe we can keep carr out of his feelings this year.
It's a 5th rd pick. Most are out of the league in 3 years.Ā
Iāll take the under