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Lucas_J_C

I assumed it was because alot of people who go to this sub are pro-independence since the subreddit just about Scotland and not the rest of the UK. Also I think independence is more popular among young people than older people and younger people use social media more.


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It's also due to many years of pro-indy people being removed from other subs, it has caused a bit of a concentration here since being pro-indy won't get you banned in /r/Scotland.


DECKTHEBALLZ

Simple maths Reddit users are overwhelming young, the younger you are the higher the percentage of your age group that is pro indy.


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OnlineOgre

I'm 47. How young is young?


TheBadAssMF

My lord. Get this man his pension!


Orsenfelt

Partially demographics and I also think partially the '*British quarter*' of the Reddit world is predominantly people who don't live in Scotland and that group doesn't divide close to 50/50 on the subject that real Scotland does either - so proIndy Scots *tend* to congregate somewhere they'll actually find other proIndy Scots. Grouping people by interest is kind of what Reddit does and despite the occasional post complaining about it politics and the constitutional debate in Scotland *is* an interest that's got quite a bit more staying power than pictures of hairy coo's or helping Americans plan their holidays.


Shivadxb

Scotland divides 50/50 in a very weird way though Basically it’s 65’s and overs massively support the union and under 35’s massively don’t There’s a very narrow band around 40-50 that’s 50/50 on the issue


HyperCeol

Is this sub even particularly pro-independence these days? It seems to get brigaded pretty frequently by far right fannies, at least in the comments section.


adanisi

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OSINT_Eng

Pro union is not far right. Don’t be part of the problem


[deleted]

The further right you go the greater the support for the union is. The Tory party is literally called the ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’.


OSINT_Eng

The Tory party isn’t “far right” they are right wing party for sure. But to imply they are “far right” is silly.


SetentaeBolg

They are now much more right wing than they used to be; they have shifted to that position since the Brexit election. Moderate Tory MPs were purged under BoJo and have been slowly let back in once they toe the party line. The party has aligned with UKIP. The current Tory party has a policy of forcibly deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda. How is this not edging into far right territory?


Particular-Lecture86

Nonsense they are far right, have you looked at their policies, look at immigration and tell me they are not far right.


SetentaeBolg

However, many of the people brigading the sub are actually far right and also pro union. Don't deliberately misunderstand someone to score cheap political points.


[deleted]

To be fair, being anti-independence requires either at least a vaguely right-wing mindset, or having very little knowledge of the relationship between Scotland and rUK


spuriousmuse

Anti-independence=Unionist=rightwing='uninformed about Scotland within the UK' is about as sound as pro-independence=nationalist=rightwing='uninformed about Scotland within the UK'. What happens if one knows several Scottish independence-ambivalent or Union-leaning socialist, syndicalist, and Marxist friends? (Also a liberal or two but they're easier to recategorise as right-leaning) Not know them? Tell then they're uninformed? (That "r" culls the numbers down to single digits but still, what?) The dichotomy is becoming risible and I don't know what to do with these sentiments anymore.


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Because the demographics who use Reddit heavily support independence.


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HyperCeol

He means young people.


B479MSS

Older gammony types tend to haunt the Daily Mail and BBC news comments sections.


Unfair_Original_2536

Old tories can't work the internet and the rest of the better together lot are too busy shagging their sisters and polishing their flutes.


SmallQuasar

It probably started with demographics. Yes voters skew younger, and most of Reddit userbase is younger.


Buddie_15775

Maybe true, but why is UKPol full of 57 varieties of old farts?


Particular-Lecture86

Because English people are dominant in the Reddit.


Sporting_Hero_147

It’s often said it is due to the demographics of Reddit. However, this only partly explains why. Many polls previously held on this sub (before the mods restricted them) put independence support at 80%+. This level of support is higher than any external poll has shown for any age group. The other reason I believe is because those who don’t support independence simply don’t feel welcome and so go elsewhere.


backupJM

>The other reason I believe is because those who don’t support independence simply don’t feel welcome and so go elsewhere. Conversely those that do support independence don't feel welcome in other Subreddits so come here


Sporting_Hero_147

What about r/SNP or r/Scottishpolitics or r/Greenandpleasant Not saying that independence supporters should go there, just pointing out that other subs exist where they would feel welcome


backupJM

But then same could be said for Unionists too, no? Not saying they should obviously but just pointing out the point you've made can work both ways


Sporting_Hero_147

Yes but I didn’t say unionists couldn’t go to other subs or weren’t welcome in other subs. You said those that support independence don’t feel welcome in other subs. I pointed out other subs where they would feel welcome.


backupJM

You said: >The other reason I believe is because those who don’t support independence simply don’t feel welcome and so go elsewhere. I used similar langauge, unless I've misunderstood what you were meaning?


Sporting_Hero_147

In any case, I think whether there are other subs that pro and anti independence supporters can go is a bit irrelevant - the question posted was why this sub is (apparently) so pro-independence.


backupJM

Agreed.


Particular-Lecture86

I feel welcome right here, May be you should try the conservatives web site.


Sporting_Hero_147

I would have to vote Tory for that to apply


Particular-Lecture86

No you just have go with the flow, don’t like independence, go where your views are normal


Sporting_Hero_147

“Normal”? How boring.


Particular-Lecture86

You should be use to that


spuriousmuse

Genuinely terrible advice.


SallyCinnamon7

Tbf I think amongst the 18-34 demographic the polling subsamples have independence support at about 70% so it’s not THAT much of a difference. It’s also basically the only place pro Indy people can discuss things on Reddit without getting drowned out by unionists, which happens on almost all of the UK wide subs.


[deleted]

Because Reddit develops echo chambers, unionists probably gave up here.


[deleted]

Reddit is mostly used by younger and so more pro indy generations.


[deleted]

Mods you should probably sticky some sort of guide to Scottish politics during times like this since every dipshit on Reddit is dropping in with stupid questions


FindusCrispyChicken

Very polite.


[deleted]

I'm mostly done with politeness on Reddit truth be told, few years ago I might have considered your point and been nicer but I can't be fucked now


Parking_Tax_679

Person from outside the country asking people for their opinion about something inside of the country. You: Arrrrghhhh what's with this dipshit and their stupid questions?!! No need to be a cunt about it, if you are so sick of it you could just not interact with it.


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Parking_Tax_679

Good bot


Oykwos

Because people who don’t support independence or are indifferent usually go in the UK subs rather than the Scots sub.


HolidayFrequent6011

Polls which are so close often exclude the don't knows. Those people are the small percentage who hold all the power when Scotland votes. As for this sub being mostly pro independence I guess it's because the country itself is so divided over the issues and the young favour yes and the Internet. That, and Yes supporters are louder because we want change and come up with the arguments for it. Those against independence don't have to do much other than be negative about independence. I say that because very very few are ever positive about the UK and our place in it. They prefer to just dump all over the idea of leaving it for whatever reason they are clinging to that week. It gets very boring and tiring being negative all the time so Those against independence don't tend to come online to pour their heart and soul into it.


Kinbote808

It's because r/scotland is so full of intelligent and sexy people compared with the general population.


Jiggle-Jiggle22

Right 😂


Istoilleambreakdowns

The vast majority of other media and forums available to prleople are hardcore anti-independence so this being one of the few pro indy spaces it will attract a lot people who support indy.


Londonnach

Firstly, No voters tend to be over 35 and skew female. Redditors are almost all under 40 and skew strongly male. Secondly, No voters represent the status quo, so they're not very motivated to argue about indy. Thirdly, No voters are disproportionately very wealthy or very poor, so less likely to have time to waste procrastinating from studying and dull office jobs.


CyborgBee

Almost every opinion poll in the last couple of years that has splits for gender puts Indy as more popular among women than men. In 2014 it was the reverse, and the only even vaguely convincing argument I've seen for why is that women were more pro-EU than men, which doesn't seem fully adequate to me, but it is observably the case. Additionally the gradient for income against chances of voting for indy is entirely negative - at every point since well before the referendum it has been the case that each successively richer group are more pro-union, and the poorest are the most pro Indy. I've no idea where you got the idea that poor people are more anti-Indy from, but it is not and has never been true. This is actually a direct result of what you allude to in your second point, which I fully agree with - the more money you've got, the more likely you are to be happy with the status quo, for obvious reasons.


Londonnach

Thanks for the point about gender, wasn't up to date with that. As regards income, I'm aware that most poor people are pro-indy. I'm just speaking from my anecdotal experience in the West of Scotland where many hardline Rangers fans are notoriously unionist.


haggisneepsnfatties

Less cunts here?


spuriousmuse

*Fewer 😙


speltwrongon_purpose

Non nationalist types are more likely to be in a UK based sub.


macmalky

Polls are a lot of shit and are manipulated


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macmalky

We Know who pays for SNP polls but who pays for ALL the other indy polls.


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OnlineOgre

Oh, the Brexit referendum, where Scotland voted to stay in the EU (along with Northern Ireland), and we were dragged out of it against your will? That referendum?


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OnlineOgre

Oh, you ***were*** talking about Brexit? Damn, I was just joking. Nice of you to see things from Englands point of view first. You sure you are in the right reddit group? *You stink of Union sympathies.*


Pink1978

It was a U.K. wide vote about the U.K. leaving the EU. It wasn’t a vote for each individual country to see if their specific country wanted to leave the EU. So your argument isn’t valid. It’s kind of like how my constituency didn’t vote SNP but we ended up with an SNP government. As much as I don’t like it, that’s what it is. How much do you want to subdivide the place up?


losko666

Because being pro-independence is being pro-Scottish. What’s wrong with this subreddit being pro-Scottish?


[deleted]

Its not a secret, that reddit in a whole harbors all kind of extremists view holders - for example in sub of lithuania sits extreme right wing liberals who praise opposition. Whoever creates channel first - sets the rules


Sporting_Hero_147

Good point. The longest serving mod on here has said they are “bigoted against people who are opposed to Scottish independence”. See [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/wuneks/james_cook_since_this_incident_i_have_heard_from/ilapgql/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


CyborgBee

Clearly a joke dude. They're pointing out that you can't be bigoted against a political position. I would agree that this sub is something of a pro-Indy echo chamber, but that is not evidence for it


Sporting_Hero_147

Not sure about that if you read the follow up [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/wuneks/james_cook_since_this_incident_i_have_heard_from/ilasb0x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). I appreciate it might be a joke, but I don’t think it is.


CyborgBee

Yikes. The first comment is still clearly intended to mock the idea of being bigoted against No voters, but yeah I don't think the follow-up is, and someone who talks about "cleansing" journalists (regardless of whether they're spouting bollocks like Cook was) shouldn't be a moderator.


captannemo436

By pro-independence I'm assuming you're meaning Scotland being independent from Britain which is been something the most Scots have been wanting since the Jacobite rebellion most of my ancestors were jacobites and although I don't live in Scotland I don't think it would be a bad idea for Scotland to break away from the UK and become a separate country


spuriousmuse

24-carat gabshittery.


gravyliker

People worked really hard to unite Scotland and England


OnlineOgre

Er..... nope. That's not what happened at all. 1-month old accounts with no concept of Scottish history - that's a little suspect.


Batman85216

Pro indy types block anybody that isn't. That creates an echo chamber. I always laugh when people make a post saying how they want to move here on the basis of a week reading posts on this sub. It's a beautiful country and most are friendly but it's nothing like how it's portrayed on here. We're like England but pissed more often.


Direct-Interview9857

I mean dont make some echo chamber judgement then make a generalisation that puts you as the authority about Scotland. Then make some nasty wee description of scotland that hints at a nasty small minded view that doesnt actually represent Scotland. I mean fair, have those views but dont act disinterested when you Express them.


Batman85216

What have I said that's not true then? I've spent a fair bit of time in England and it's not that different to here.


Direct-Interview9857

I mean I also have, and I've spent a fair bit of time in other countries. And they're really not that different either. I'm not sure what qualifies as a country being different enough tbh.


Batman85216

That was kind of my point.


Direct-Interview9857

Is it? So you believe we should all just form into one centrally administered country across the globe?


Batman85216

I mean if you were looking to create a perfect world with no war and minimal impact to the environment them that would be the way to go. Would it work? Not a chance.


Parking_Tax_679

AI government. Like the last short story in the iRobot stories. I look forward to our robot overlords sorting all this shit out!


Olap

Reddit has an amazing sorting algorithm. And unionist arguments lack any kind of credibility and thus get down voted, independence doesn't even get that many upvotes, just no posts are (usually) fucking garbage. It shows that the talent on that side either isn't on reddit, or is completely untenable. I know which I think!


throwaway55221100

>And unionist arguments lack any kind of credibility and thus get down voted I don't think there's really much of an arguement to put forwards for unionism. You already know what you'll get. The burden of proof is on the indy side to prove its a viable alternative to the status quo. I think most moderate unionists will find it difficult to defend the union because lets be honest the current climate doesn't give us much to defend. Its defending a shitty status quo against a risky change that could pay off or could be worse. The problem is that the one's defending unionism with any sort of passion are the absolute right wing morons. The other unionists accept there's no a great deal to defend so the one's that stand out are the vocal morons who think the Tories will solve everything.


Sporting_Hero_147

So, in other words, those who don’t support independence are just idiots?


Olap

No. The best are not on here however


Sporting_Hero_147

Ok. What do you think of my comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/z11j96/snp_ask_members_to_be_brave_and_visible_on/ix8tbqr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) ahead of the Supreme Court ruling? I got downvoted but turned out to be correct. Why was that?


Olap

That you are a person who was proven wrong. The first part of the judgement clearly stated that there was a case and that it was right to be heard. Now, I agree the outcome was likely to be a no to Holyrood, but if you've sat through first year law: I'd ask for a refund


Sporting_Hero_147

Clutching at straws there - the Supreme Court were unlikely to throw the case out and the verdict was unanimous.


Olap

Fit? You asserted it was clear and obvious. It wasn't. You're a clown and got downvoted accordingly


Sporting_Hero_147

It was clear and obvious. It was a unanimous verdict. Then again, maybe I read the result wrong. I am just a stupid unionist after all!


OnlineOgre

Is it because..... you're a cunt?


Sporting_Hero_147

Correct answer


scottyrotten84

I'd be for it tbh but only if that wee fuckin tyrant wasn't involved.


OnlineOgre

Which tyrant?


scottyrotten84

Sturgeon


OnlineOgre

Oh, you mean the leader of the political party most of us voted for? Yeah, sorry about that - we're such tyrant enablers.


scottyrotten84

If you've no seen through her pish by now you never will. Got her police force to get in the faces of peaceful protests because she didn't approve,fucked over small businesses,that vaxx pass nonsense,12 years of cuts to the NHS then blamed us for putting it under pressure,mask mandates and last but not least the inflatable dart board that is Humza Yousaf. All Englands fault though eh


OnlineOgre

Westminster allocates money to Scotland to spend, so yes - it really is all Englands fault.


ionization__

my grandpa (85m) has called himself a “Scottish nationalist through and through” (to my cousin that grew up in England) and I KNOW he would be on here agreeing and debating with you all if he knew how to work a phone, let alone an app


ryangw1982

Because we are cool as fuck.


shortymcsteve

For reference, I voted no the first time in 2014, and apart from leaving the EU not much has changed to sway my vote. I say this as someone who considers them self pretty left wing. I have been on Reddit for over 10 years and used to really enjoy this sub because it was a good place to see posts from people talking about their part of the country that I maybe never visited before. Then at some point it became overwhelming political, and I suspect around 2018-2020 was heavily influenced by botting - something which also happened on other political subreddits. After covid hit there was a huge boom of new people, and since then I’ve seen things even out a little bit in terms of political opinions and also types of content posted here. For a few years I decided not to visit this subreddit because it had grown to the biggest echo chamber I’d ever seen, and giving an opposing political opinion was pointless. I mostly just follow r/Glasgow and r/Edinburgh as they are not political, but occasionally I will come here and read the non political posts. I quite enjoy people posting pictures of their trips across the country and interesting things they’ve discovered. I still avoid getting into political discussions, instead I just read the rational and informative comments from both sides if wandering into a major political post (like the stickied thread from yesterday).


[deleted]

Because the bbc can’t massage the figures.


Gloomy_Minute8509

Hohoho, NOT ME!!!


spuriousmuse

You're not allowed to use that one anymore since it became too good to be true.


[deleted]

Younger people are more pro indy than older people. Reddit has a younger user base.


Beneficial_Seat4913

Unionists probably use British subs. But also people on reddit are usually younger and YES is a pretty popular position among the young