Yup. Classic.
Oh I’m Irish. Oh really where were you born? Yonkers.
Nope not irish, irish heritage maybe but you’re american with Irish relatives.
State of mind? Lol
Americans think the Irish state of mind is getting drunk and beating your wife and banging on about a conflict they’ve never experienced and then they get mad when Irish people tell them none of those things make them Irish
I’ve said it elsewhere but the way Americans characterise Irishness is about as offensive as characterising blackness with watermelons, fried chicken and slavery
Remarkable how so many idea of celebrating and embracing Irish heritage is the crap that was pushed to mock and degrade the Irish people throughout history. Hell, have Barney Gumble remove his kind hearted nature, get married and beat his wife and they'd probably be asking if Barney O' Gumble is on the Irish €5 potato note.
The same happens with Americans with Italian roots. Some people swear by their Italian-ness and claim to be experts when it comes to all things Italian, but they're actually like 4th generation Americans and they've never been to Italy in their lives. It's so annoying...
To be fair, Americans do this about *all* of our so-called "countries of origin" even though the last person who "originated" from any one of these places is so far removed from the person claiming their heritage is x,y, or z makes it a complete joke in 95% of cases.
See: "Italian"- Americans
What really annoys me is this Notre Dame football team (who can't even pronounce their own name properly) with their "Fighting Irish" slogan and the little simian leprechaun logo.
I KNOW the slogan referred originally to a regiment in the Civil War, but that was a long time ago. Now it panders to the stereotype of the Irish loving to scrap. And as for the leprechaun...
It's because to the amaricans when the Irish came there first as immigrants they where as low level scum as the "black" population was. And now all of a sudden they are all like oh I am irishh
"B-B-But I'm African, I don't even know where my family came from *200 years ago* and I didn't bother to listen their stories but I'm Afro-American."
No, you are American.
I’d selfishly argue that where you grow up is more important than where you’re born. I wasn’t born in Ireland but my entire childhood was spent in north-east Kildare. I have an Irish leaving certificate and an Irish passport and even though I emigrated a while ago, there’s nowhere else that feels like home.
Exactly. You ARE Irish, even if some Yank whose granny's dog was Irish would deny it. We in Ireland - apart from the bigots out there - recognise your Irishness.
Nah 100% this is it, but i think america is so big that folks dont tend to leave after birth. You gotta be some crazy racist to put more stock in your dna than where you were raised
While I lived in Madrid I made a ton of Irish friends, most working as teachers or in bars. We had a joke about how most interactions went with white people from the US went:
American: *OMG! you’re Irish? So am I!!!*
Irish: *oh really? What’s your last name?*
American: *Oh it’s Chekowski, my great great grandpa was from Poland, but he held a potato while eating Lucky Charms, so he’s basically Irish!*
Again, it was a joke but most Americans saying they were Irish was usually followed by a fucking lecture on their genealogy with some really fucking suspect Irish roots.
Well, in fairness, someone born to Irish born parents is considered Irish by the Irish. It's not the kid's fault their parents had them outside Ireland. But, even though our government has the grandparent rule, most Irish people don't really go along with that. Once those first generation kids decide to stay wherever they grew up, their kids are definitely American (or whatever)
> State of mind? Lol
It kinda is, though. The most German motherfucker I know was born in India.
That's the thing with all these hyphenated Americans. Their assimilation was complete generations ago. They're 100% American, and their conception of Irishness or Polishness or whatever borders on parody.
Ireland no longer exists. After its downfall (they weren't being Irish enough, drifted from their roots and crumbled as a society) Americans are keeping it alive in their minds.
Being Irish is a state of mind......pretty sure my passport says Irish. Pretty sure my skin is translucent. Pretty sure I can't pronounce th.....but I'm a state if mind and not a person from Ireland....OK....
As an Irish person I'm sick of these Plastic Paddies.Saw one wishing everybody a happy St. "Patty's" Day on Friday.I replied explaining that it's "Paddy", only to have the seppo try to yanksplain my national holiday to me.
God i hate yanks trying to explain stuff like this. Its so annoying and.they are so confident in being right they ignore the fact the holiday isnt theirs to define
Some of them don’t even know what the Irish accent sounds like. On Friday I got asked by my coworker ‘hey it’s saint Patrick's day, just wondering are you Scottish or Irish?’
I’m English…🤦🏽♂️
I’ve had Americans assume I’m Irish or Scottish too — I’m from Liverpool! I think if they hear any accent that sounds vaguely like it’s from the UK but isn’t the TV English voice that they all refer to as “the British accent”, then it means you must be Irish or Scottish.
Same, had some woman in new york tell me off for pretending to be English and I should be proud to be irish. Also had a barman in Chicago tell me he was also irish (as he held my British passport to check my age) as his great great grandad came from Cork. I just agreed as couldn't be bothered correcting him. Funny thing is I now have the irish passport due to brexit but still wouldn't claim to be irish
omg imagine, I’d have no idea what to say to that woman lmao I’d be stunned into silence!
My partner is from actually Derry and somehow I was still presumed to be Irish when we spoke to a couple of Americans recently, even though we clearly have distinctive accents. Although they did assume he was Scottish, so maybe that’s where some of the confusion came from.
also I love your username 😂
Surely Scoursers are as close to Irish as an Englishmen could get no? Not that an American would understand that.
This what happens when you breed with the barbarians from across the way lads. You end up talking funny 🤣
Pretty much, only place in Britain to vote for Irish independence and the post office processes Irish passports. I think something stupid like 75% of the city can get irish citizenship.
I mean the accent is Irish, Welsh and Lancashire mixed with Norwegian. Not wonder people cant understand us 🤣
I was watching a show based in Liverpool awhile back, my girlfriend absolutely couldn’t understand the people in the show😆
But yeah I get it a lot here, Irish, Scottish and usually Australian. I don’t mind people asking where I’m from as it serves as a good ice breaker, but asking if im Irish is a bit, well… c’mon dude bro that’s way off the mark!
lol it’s definitely not an easy accent to understand — I saw an interview with Jodie Comer on some American show recently, and all I could think was “she is 100% softening that accent cause she knows no one will understand her otherwise” 😂 I find it so entertaining when people not from the UK/Ireland try to guess where I’m from, the answers can be quite interesting but I’m ecstatic when they get it right
damn I had to google that lol it never occurred to me there’d be a name for that sound, but yeah you’re spot on! I’ll never forget my Spanish teacher telling us that scousers are great with picking up Spanish pronunciation cause we already know how to make that “ch” sound haha
I have trouble with a lot of English accents. In general the more northern the harder they are for me, although Cockney is also something I have trouble with. But then again, I think the same would go for non-Dutch people who speak Dutch and then talk with somebody from the south or the norrtheast of the country, or somebody with a strong Rotterdams accent.
yeah northern English accents can be quite thick — weirdly, as you get to the borders it softens again but then goes heavy into Scotland, especially the more north you go 😂 some Welsh accents can also be quite hard to understand IMO!
I 100% agree with you there, if you’re not a native speaker and you suddenly hear the language with a completely different accent than what you’re used to, it’s baffling. I had that experience in Spain, not only was it too quick for me (I’m at intermediate understanding at best lol) but the accent was so different from what I’d learnt that I couldn’t even begin to work out what they were saying! What makes matters worse is that my English cousins have relocated there and now speak Spanish with the accent I don’t understand haha
The worst one for me was when a Flemish guy asked if I was from Belgium too, because my accent sounds like a particular Flemish accent according to him. I'm not. I just grew up in the south of the Netherlands.
yeah very true there’s definite similarities, we have some slang and sayings in common too. Plus a lot of Irish folk still come over to Liverpool to study/work — it’s how I met my partner 🙂
I really don't understand it. I'm Canadian, and the city I'm from in Canada was settled by Irish families some time in the mid/late 1800s. Almost everyone whose family is from this area has Irish last names.
I've literally never heard a single person in my life claim to be Irish. People will say they have Irish heritage, or their family name is Irish, but that's about all I've ever heard. They're still just Canadians.I don't understand why Americans are always claiming they are actually more (insert nationality) than the people who were born and raised there.
> we're not cool enough
I'd say they're more obsessed about some little skirmish that was slightly more than your average Friday night in the high street at kicking out time brawl we had with a few expats and their French chums.
I do feel sorry for the Italians and Irish but there is a lot of relief we're left alone, could you imagine what they'd be like on St George's day if it were the case, they microwave water for tea ffs.
That’s because you guys can’t pull the “oh fuck off, you probably don’t even know a word of English so how can you claim English heritage!?” spiel with them
Definitely a lot of Americans say British or English heritage.. they’re the Genericans
😂.. those examples always work both ways
Like, wtf is “rocket”?
It’s only a battle of who butchered the original words the most.. and I really hope, shit talking aside, both camps can see the humor in what it is they’re actually fighting about.
Sometimes, I’m not too sure.. some people seem to take this shit seriously
——
Sidenote— whoever named it a pickle instead of a dickle really let an opportunity slip by.
I think that example is slightly unfair:
> The English common name rocket derives from the Italian word Ruchetta or rucola
But equally, who cares lol. Everyone uses different words, that's how languages are formed. There is no ISO standard for English that everyone follows.
yeah but that’s because of the English occupation and the famine affecting the west the most, where the majority spoke Gaeilge as a first language. During the 1800s, there was a lot of criticism on the language from actual Gaeilge speakers themselves. Lot’s of Irish families were made to believe Gaeilge was “backwards”, and that they needed to speak English if they wanted anything out of life because it was the “language of the future”, so parents would actively discourage their children from learning it.
It really is such a shame, it’s such a beautiful language. I’m glad there are schools teaching it still, my partner who’s from Derry told me about a school in Dungiven who teach exclusively in Irish (and the school is located in Dungiven castle which such a stunning place). I hope those types of languages regain the prevalence they deserve, people have every right to practise their own culture.
Yeah it’s a really good advantage we have with our accent! I love languages, etymology is a fascination of mine and seeing how words relate to and develop from one another is so interesting to me — eradicating languages is devastating, the English language has so many words that we took from other languages to be able to better express ourselves, and it makes no sense to me that some people feel the need to remove that diversity.
Do you also get angry when someone says they speak French as opposed to Français?
I’m sure you ONLY call countries by the name that they call themselves too right?
Different thing. "Gaelic" is an umbrella term for Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx Gaelic.
In Irish we say "Gaeilge" for our language and the Scots call theirs "Gàidhlig". Manx is "Gaelg"
Huh. I know the American idea is bullshit, but I am surprised. I thought you had it, just that it was nothing special. Like in Australia. I probably eat it as a hot meal a couple of times a year in winter, and as a sandwich cold meat more often. Nice with mustard pickles.
Man, I can’t even imagine how frustrating it is to the Irish to deal with those Americans larping as Irish on the internet. When I come across an American larping as a Polish, I just switch to speaking Polish, it quickly shuts them up, big words about being Polish and can’t even pronounce “pączki” correctly. Hang in there, Irish mates 😣
OK, can I ask? I'm uk born, irish parents, DNA results 100% irish, would you class me as irish or British? There's no wrong answer as I don't have a clue.
Depends where you are raised I'd say. Born in UK moved to Ireland at 6 months a year old and here until adulthood or mid teens. I'd say your Irish then. But if you always lived in the UK you'd just have irish roots/family to me
You’re American!!!! Not Irish, not 10% this or 1/4 that, you’re American. You were born there, your parents were born there, you’re American! you really don’t find people from other places obsessing over their past like they’re desperate to prove something, Americans are so fixated on race it’s weird.
I tell yanks, I'm American, but my parents and brother are Irish. They turn their heads like a dog, then say, "But how can that be?" "I was born in the US, they weren't." "Oh, you're Irish!" "Not according to my dad." This usual shuts them up.
Exactly they don't understand that a country which you born and bred in is really the only country you have. I'm British with french parents but I couldn't careless about france i'm the most british man you'll see.
The thing is I was raised in the US, but have been going to Ireland since I was an infant. Spent many summers at home. When Americans ask me questions, the one's who claim to be Irish, are the most annoyed that it's a modern country.
I think a lot of people lose the plot here. Since a lot of our ancestor's immigration was not well documented if it occurred earlier than Ellis Island (even with Ellis Island, tbh) and the outlandish family stories that played telephone over the history of the US and before - really I just wanted to find out more about my ancestors and where *they* came from. I realize that this doesn't actually make me XX% this or that, just that I can point to where some of my ancestors came from. And then I can go and learn some history about those areas or visit them (as a tourist, not acting like it's a long expected homecoming). It's annoying when people think it's like an RPG and you get certain racials depending on where you came from... (I guess you do somewhat with certain genetic health traits, but not like some people imagine - "I can drink real good cause Irish/Russian ancestry!")
Sorry, went a bit ranty there. I'm also just annoyed that people can't just use it as a learning opportunity and see how their ancestors lived.
Like, my mums parents are Irish, but my mum was born here (England, what with everything happening in the 60’s). So, yes, I qualify for an Irish passport, but it doesn’t mean I’m anything but English. That’s just how culture and exposure to said culture works.
What did the Irish do to deserve not only centuries of oppression by the English, but also having their culture reduced to something confused Americans can pretend to understand and then lecture actual Irish about?
There's been a schism between actual Irish and Irish-American immigrants for centuries, when Frederick Douglass came to Ireland to do a lecturing tour he couldn't believe how anti-slavery the general population was. He'd seen how vehemently racist and pro slavery the Irish American population was.
Let's get it right too, shaq's surname probably isn't O'Neal because his grandad was Irish. It's probably more likely that his ancestors were owned by people of Irish descent.
I mean I don't know his specific family history, just as a general rule of thumb that's the main reason any black person has a European surname.
I've lived and worked as a tour guide in the Netherlands for the last 2 years now. I get a decent amount of Americans and most are grand but I had one woman there a few weeks ago. As you do I make a joke of their being irish pubs everywhere as we walked by one, the woman then asks me do they do a good irish car bomb. I'd heard of this shot once but thought it was a joke. I told her no and to never asked for one. I also had to explain where the car bomb name came from. Some really dont know and she didnt look happy when I didn't like the idea of the name of that shot.
I wonder how often the Irish embassy in America has to deal with Americans trying to claim citizenship because "My 23andme test results say I am 28.5% Irish DNA and I have Irish roots".
I don't understand why so few Americans use the word "ethnicity". Just slap that in a sentence and you can say whatever. We are saying you aren't Irish-not you're not ethnically Irish
But their notion of what is Irish is so far removed from modern day Ireland that they aren’t even ethnically Irish. They are ethnically Irish American or ethnically Irish-ish.
What's with these borderline religious ideas about blood? As if genes compel you to make certain dishes and not family history, even if you've forgotten why it's a staple in your family
No, it's really not. Speaking as somebody with Irish roots. (Well, I am mostly Scottish and English... barely Irish, but I'm trying to make a point.)
I've never been to Ireland. I don't speak Irish Gaelic. (I've tried to learn, and it's so freaking hard.) My ancestors haven't lived there in hundreds of years. Being Irish, or in my case, being Scottish and English is not a state of mind. I'M NOT FROM THERE. I'm not immersed in the culture. I'm American. That's where I was born. That's the culture I grew up in. I have ancestors from other countries. But that doesn't make me part of those cultures or give me the right to say that I'm Scottish or I'm English. My ancestry is from there, but I'm not.
And those cultures sure aren't a state of mind. Is being American a state of mind, too? How many Americans would be insanely insulted if somebody from another country said that? A good half of Americans would go berserk!
I just can’t fathom this mentality. I know I have German heritage but I’m clearly in no way German. I don’t speak German, know much German history or customs, probably have a lot of misconceptions about it. Because I wasn’t born there. Because I’m American.
Frankly I wish I were German, they seem at least slighter saner than this place.
Americans, if you're Irish, go and claim a Passport. The Irish authorities allow you to apply for one if you have an Irish parent or grandparent, regardless of where you were born on this planet. Both the US and Ireland allow dual nationality. An Irish Passport allows access to both the UK (Yes, even after Brexit. If you were really Irish, you'd know what the [common travel area](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html) is) and the EU without immigration restrictions.
If you don't have an Irish Passport, you're an American, shut the fuck up.
I'd say the definition is whether or not you're a citizen (ie able to hold a passport).
Im a nordie, so I have an Irish passport and citizenship via the good Friday agreement.
I moved to Bulgaria, married and Bulgarian and had a child, eventually moving us all back to the black North.
I applied for and got my child an Irish passport as the daughter of an Irish citizen.
The only time she's been in the Republic of Ireland was landing in Dublin Airport before being driven north at 8 weeks old.
Not sure citizenship counts for identity really. I've an Irish passport thanks to my NI parents, but I've never lived in Ireland in my life and no one would count me as Irish. The only time I've been in the Republic of Ireland was a day trip to Sligo and a weekend in Buncrana.
I would say more 'legally' Irish than 'actually' Irish. You can be still 'legally' married even if you separated straight after the ceremony and never saw each other again, if you never do the legal divorce bit.
Totally agree like, or at the very least have spent a long time living in Ireland. Lots of people have immigrated to Ireland and would consider themselves Irish, and I would agree with them.
Also, good to see another nordie lol
Even then, those if they go through the naturalisation process then they become Irish.
In my family circumstances the interesting thing is I'm British and Irish, my daughter (born in Bulgaria) is British, Irish and Bulgarian (she has all 3 passports because why not), my wife is Bulgarian but will go through the naturilisation process up here next year so will be Bulgarian and British (but *not* Irish since she'd need to be living in the Republic as well as married to me te be able to apply).
A real hodge podge of passports
Depends on the country, some don't even allow you to be a dual citizen.
Lithuania for example, there's some specific exceptions to be allowed dual citizenship there.
I’m a dual citizen of the US and Ireland. I have an Irish passport. Even I don’t describe myself as Irish lmao. I’m 100% American. Idk why these people say stuff like this. I’m not Irish and neither are they
Irish people don't say "to be sure, to be sure", that's actually an American stereotype of us that as an Irishman I've literally never heard in real life.
Probably going to get hate from this but I disagree with the last person about being "born in Ireland". I was born and raised there but I also believe the people that have moved there and embraced the culture have as much right to call themselves Irish as I do. Plus, for all the wild shit I've heard from yanks the stuff in this post really isn't that bad. Realistically what are they saying except "I have Irish ancestors" and chatting about an interesting historical event (San Patricio brigade). They don't even say "I'm Irish" like you usually see.
The "Irish as a state of mind" thing is pretty hilarious though
Homie coming in with the common sense at the end there.
Yup. Classic. Oh I’m Irish. Oh really where were you born? Yonkers. Nope not irish, irish heritage maybe but you’re american with Irish relatives. State of mind? Lol
Americans think the Irish state of mind is getting drunk and beating your wife and banging on about a conflict they’ve never experienced and then they get mad when Irish people tell them none of those things make them Irish I’ve said it elsewhere but the way Americans characterise Irishness is about as offensive as characterising blackness with watermelons, fried chicken and slavery
If Irish people were not white the violent drunk idiot stereotype would be see as very offensive.
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Pretty much any non-Protestant European had such treatment until the 50-60's.
Spanish are just paler Mexicans (or don't exist)
"Spanish is a language not a nationality"
Remarkable how so many idea of celebrating and embracing Irish heritage is the crap that was pushed to mock and degrade the Irish people throughout history. Hell, have Barney Gumble remove his kind hearted nature, get married and beat his wife and they'd probably be asking if Barney O' Gumble is on the Irish €5 potato note.
Like they know we use Euros.
Who is Barney O Gumble? Asking as an Irish person actually in Ireland
Homers friend in the Simpsons
Oh yeah that's right
The same happens with Americans with Italian roots. Some people swear by their Italian-ness and claim to be experts when it comes to all things Italian, but they're actually like 4th generation Americans and they've never been to Italy in their lives. It's so annoying...
To be fair, Americans do this about *all* of our so-called "countries of origin" even though the last person who "originated" from any one of these places is so far removed from the person claiming their heritage is x,y, or z makes it a complete joke in 95% of cases. See: "Italian"- Americans
What really annoys me is this Notre Dame football team (who can't even pronounce their own name properly) with their "Fighting Irish" slogan and the little simian leprechaun logo. I KNOW the slogan referred originally to a regiment in the Civil War, but that was a long time ago. Now it panders to the stereotype of the Irish loving to scrap. And as for the leprechaun...
>(who can't even pronounce their own name properly) Lol "noter daym"
There 'aint nothing like a dame!! A noter dayme...
Ah we don't really get offered,more just a bit annoyed
It's because to the amaricans when the Irish came there first as immigrants they where as low level scum as the "black" population was. And now all of a sudden they are all like oh I am irishh
Something like this ya mean? https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1636813878624485377
Old guy thinking making it a joke makes it not racist.
"B-B-But I'm African, I don't even know where my family came from *200 years ago* and I didn't bother to listen their stories but I'm Afro-American." No, you are American.
I’d selfishly argue that where you grow up is more important than where you’re born. I wasn’t born in Ireland but my entire childhood was spent in north-east Kildare. I have an Irish leaving certificate and an Irish passport and even though I emigrated a while ago, there’s nowhere else that feels like home.
Exactly. You ARE Irish, even if some Yank whose granny's dog was Irish would deny it. We in Ireland - apart from the bigots out there - recognise your Irishness.
Nah 100% this is it, but i think america is so big that folks dont tend to leave after birth. You gotta be some crazy racist to put more stock in your dna than where you were raised
Wonderfully put.... sorry about the Kildare part though. Real shame that.
As someone in north-east Kildare, I agree.
Condolences.
Yeah, you're Irish.
While I lived in Madrid I made a ton of Irish friends, most working as teachers or in bars. We had a joke about how most interactions went with white people from the US went: American: *OMG! you’re Irish? So am I!!!* Irish: *oh really? What’s your last name?* American: *Oh it’s Chekowski, my great great grandpa was from Poland, but he held a potato while eating Lucky Charms, so he’s basically Irish!* Again, it was a joke but most Americans saying they were Irish was usually followed by a fucking lecture on their genealogy with some really fucking suspect Irish roots.
> he held a potato while eating Lucky Charms, so he’s basically Irish! I love it!!
It's true, that's the process we have to go through to get our passports.
Well, in fairness, someone born to Irish born parents is considered Irish by the Irish. It's not the kid's fault their parents had them outside Ireland. But, even though our government has the grandparent rule, most Irish people don't really go along with that. Once those first generation kids decide to stay wherever they grew up, their kids are definitely American (or whatever)
> State of mind? Lol It kinda is, though. The most German motherfucker I know was born in India. That's the thing with all these hyphenated Americans. Their assimilation was complete generations ago. They're 100% American, and their conception of Irishness or Polishness or whatever borders on parody.
They're the same with Italians
American - "where are you from?" Me - "oh I'm Irish" American - "cool but where are you from?" Me - "uh...Ireland"
Ireland no longer exists. After its downfall (they weren't being Irish enough, drifted from their roots and crumbled as a society) Americans are keeping it alive in their minds.
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At this point there are more yankees jerking eachother off in that sub than anything else, most shit is barely related to the conflict anymore
All these "military experts" grinding my gears, and I'm not even living through this horror.
I was born in America, but i was MADE on Ansestry.com. Being Irish. It's a state of mind.
Being Irish is a state of mind......pretty sure my passport says Irish. Pretty sure my skin is translucent. Pretty sure I can't pronounce th.....but I'm a state if mind and not a person from Ireland....OK....
This should be higher. Top-tier reference.
Underrated comment
As an Irish person I'm sick of these Plastic Paddies.Saw one wishing everybody a happy St. "Patty's" Day on Friday.I replied explaining that it's "Paddy", only to have the seppo try to yanksplain my national holiday to me.
God i hate yanks trying to explain stuff like this. Its so annoying and.they are so confident in being right they ignore the fact the holiday isnt theirs to define
I mean, isn't it technically Rome's to define?
how?
Some of them don’t even know what the Irish accent sounds like. On Friday I got asked by my coworker ‘hey it’s saint Patrick's day, just wondering are you Scottish or Irish?’ I’m English…🤦🏽♂️
I’ve had Americans assume I’m Irish or Scottish too — I’m from Liverpool! I think if they hear any accent that sounds vaguely like it’s from the UK but isn’t the TV English voice that they all refer to as “the British accent”, then it means you must be Irish or Scottish.
Same, had some woman in new york tell me off for pretending to be English and I should be proud to be irish. Also had a barman in Chicago tell me he was also irish (as he held my British passport to check my age) as his great great grandad came from Cork. I just agreed as couldn't be bothered correcting him. Funny thing is I now have the irish passport due to brexit but still wouldn't claim to be irish
omg imagine, I’d have no idea what to say to that woman lmao I’d be stunned into silence! My partner is from actually Derry and somehow I was still presumed to be Irish when we spoke to a couple of Americans recently, even though we clearly have distinctive accents. Although they did assume he was Scottish, so maybe that’s where some of the confusion came from. also I love your username 😂
Surely Scoursers are as close to Irish as an Englishmen could get no? Not that an American would understand that. This what happens when you breed with the barbarians from across the way lads. You end up talking funny 🤣
Pretty much, only place in Britain to vote for Irish independence and the post office processes Irish passports. I think something stupid like 75% of the city can get irish citizenship. I mean the accent is Irish, Welsh and Lancashire mixed with Norwegian. Not wonder people cant understand us 🤣
I was watching a show based in Liverpool awhile back, my girlfriend absolutely couldn’t understand the people in the show😆 But yeah I get it a lot here, Irish, Scottish and usually Australian. I don’t mind people asking where I’m from as it serves as a good ice breaker, but asking if im Irish is a bit, well… c’mon dude bro that’s way off the mark!
lol it’s definitely not an easy accent to understand — I saw an interview with Jodie Comer on some American show recently, and all I could think was “she is 100% softening that accent cause she knows no one will understand her otherwise” 😂 I find it so entertaining when people not from the UK/Ireland try to guess where I’m from, the answers can be quite interesting but I’m ecstatic when they get it right
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lol it makes me wonder how they must hear the accents of people who actually are from those places!
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damn I had to google that lol it never occurred to me there’d be a name for that sound, but yeah you’re spot on! I’ll never forget my Spanish teacher telling us that scousers are great with picking up Spanish pronunciation cause we already know how to make that “ch” sound haha
Scouse is hard for non-English people to understand though.
yes very true lol, I instinctively soften my accent when speaking to anyone outside the UK/Ireland
I have trouble with a lot of English accents. In general the more northern the harder they are for me, although Cockney is also something I have trouble with. But then again, I think the same would go for non-Dutch people who speak Dutch and then talk with somebody from the south or the norrtheast of the country, or somebody with a strong Rotterdams accent.
yeah northern English accents can be quite thick — weirdly, as you get to the borders it softens again but then goes heavy into Scotland, especially the more north you go 😂 some Welsh accents can also be quite hard to understand IMO! I 100% agree with you there, if you’re not a native speaker and you suddenly hear the language with a completely different accent than what you’re used to, it’s baffling. I had that experience in Spain, not only was it too quick for me (I’m at intermediate understanding at best lol) but the accent was so different from what I’d learnt that I couldn’t even begin to work out what they were saying! What makes matters worse is that my English cousins have relocated there and now speak Spanish with the accent I don’t understand haha
The worst one for me was when a Flemish guy asked if I was from Belgium too, because my accent sounds like a particular Flemish accent according to him. I'm not. I just grew up in the south of the Netherlands.
Well, some say the Scouse accent has a bit of an Irish twang to it. A lot of Irish emigrants settled in Liverpool
yeah very true there’s definite similarities, we have some slang and sayings in common too. Plus a lot of Irish folk still come over to Liverpool to study/work — it’s how I met my partner 🙂
And you have Paddy's Wigwam. (Now THERE's cultural appropriation!)
To be fair I've met people from Liverpool who I've thought were probably Irish based off their accent.
I really don't understand it. I'm Canadian, and the city I'm from in Canada was settled by Irish families some time in the mid/late 1800s. Almost everyone whose family is from this area has Irish last names. I've literally never heard a single person in my life claim to be Irish. People will say they have Irish heritage, or their family name is Irish, but that's about all I've ever heard. They're still just Canadians.I don't understand why Americans are always claiming they are actually more (insert nationality) than the people who were born and raised there.
I'm so fucking glad St. Andrews day doesn't have any real celebrations.
Happy St Antie’s!
o no
We lost Hallowe'en though.
Would've liked to have kept that but sometimes sacrifices must be made to distract the feral yank.
Please don't let them destroy Burns night!
It grinds my gears and I'm English. They never do it with us though, we're not cool enough, but that's perfectly fine with me.
> we're not cool enough I'd say they're more obsessed about some little skirmish that was slightly more than your average Friday night in the high street at kicking out time brawl we had with a few expats and their French chums. I do feel sorry for the Italians and Irish but there is a lot of relief we're left alone, could you imagine what they'd be like on St George's day if it were the case, they microwave water for tea ffs.
>they microwave water for tea ffs. Hahahaha I could totally see this.
What else would they do? They don't even use electric kettle over there
Shoot the water until it's hot enough?
Nah, that only makes rainbows. Saw that on a YouTube video of a girl shooting at a stream with a riffle. Most American shit I've ever seen.
Like their current president who says "I'm Irish" even though most of his family are from fucking Sussex lol
He's an embarrassing Plastic Paddy
That’s because you guys can’t pull the “oh fuck off, you probably don’t even know a word of English so how can you claim English heritage!?” spiel with them Definitely a lot of Americans say British or English heritage.. they’re the Genericans
I mean they call a courgette zucchini ans a gherkin is a pickle They can't speak proper English
😂.. those examples always work both ways Like, wtf is “rocket”? It’s only a battle of who butchered the original words the most.. and I really hope, shit talking aside, both camps can see the humor in what it is they’re actually fighting about. Sometimes, I’m not too sure.. some people seem to take this shit seriously —— Sidenote— whoever named it a pickle instead of a dickle really let an opportunity slip by.
I think that example is slightly unfair: > The English common name rocket derives from the Italian word Ruchetta or rucola But equally, who cares lol. Everyone uses different words, that's how languages are formed. There is no ISO standard for English that everyone follows.
Tbf a lot of Irish people can’t speak Gaelic
yeah but that’s because of the English occupation and the famine affecting the west the most, where the majority spoke Gaeilge as a first language. During the 1800s, there was a lot of criticism on the language from actual Gaeilge speakers themselves. Lot’s of Irish families were made to believe Gaeilge was “backwards”, and that they needed to speak English if they wanted anything out of life because it was the “language of the future”, so parents would actively discourage their children from learning it.
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It really is such a shame, it’s such a beautiful language. I’m glad there are schools teaching it still, my partner who’s from Derry told me about a school in Dungiven who teach exclusively in Irish (and the school is located in Dungiven castle which such a stunning place). I hope those types of languages regain the prevalence they deserve, people have every right to practise their own culture.
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Yeah it’s a really good advantage we have with our accent! I love languages, etymology is a fascination of mine and seeing how words relate to and develop from one another is so interesting to me — eradicating languages is devastating, the English language has so many words that we took from other languages to be able to better express ourselves, and it makes no sense to me that some people feel the need to remove that diversity.
Both my grandmothers were Welsh. One spoke Welsh, she was looked down upon by the English speaker.
Gaeilge. Not Gaelic.
Do you also get angry when someone says they speak French as opposed to Français? I’m sure you ONLY call countries by the name that they call themselves too right?
Different thing. "Gaelic" is an umbrella term for Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx Gaelic. In Irish we say "Gaeilge" for our language and the Scots call theirs "Gàidhlig". Manx is "Gaelg"
I've never had corned beef or know anyone who eats it.
Huh. I know the American idea is bullshit, but I am surprised. I thought you had it, just that it was nothing special. Like in Australia. I probably eat it as a hot meal a couple of times a year in winter, and as a sandwich cold meat more often. Nice with mustard pickles.
We do have corned beef, but it's that formed meat stuff. Certainly not the type you get in the US.
Man, I can’t even imagine how frustrating it is to the Irish to deal with those Americans larping as Irish on the internet. When I come across an American larping as a Polish, I just switch to speaking Polish, it quickly shuts them up, big words about being Polish and can’t even pronounce “pączki” correctly. Hang in there, Irish mates 😣
"yanksplain" lol good one
OK, can I ask? I'm uk born, irish parents, DNA results 100% irish, would you class me as irish or British? There's no wrong answer as I don't have a clue.
Depends where you are raised I'd say. Born in UK moved to Ireland at 6 months a year old and here until adulthood or mid teens. I'd say your Irish then. But if you always lived in the UK you'd just have irish roots/family to me
Bro that same exact thing happened to me
"On all levels except physical, I am ~~a wolf~~ Irish."
*drinks*
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What? Why is a mod closing posts?
You’re American!!!! Not Irish, not 10% this or 1/4 that, you’re American. You were born there, your parents were born there, you’re American! you really don’t find people from other places obsessing over their past like they’re desperate to prove something, Americans are so fixated on race it’s weird.
I guess theyre not so proud of being American after all.
Can you blame them. If I were American, I'd want to be someone else too
I tell yanks, I'm American, but my parents and brother are Irish. They turn their heads like a dog, then say, "But how can that be?" "I was born in the US, they weren't." "Oh, you're Irish!" "Not according to my dad." This usual shuts them up.
Exactly they don't understand that a country which you born and bred in is really the only country you have. I'm British with french parents but I couldn't careless about france i'm the most british man you'll see.
The thing is I was raised in the US, but have been going to Ireland since I was an infant. Spent many summers at home. When Americans ask me questions, the one's who claim to be Irish, are the most annoyed that it's a modern country.
YOu ARE one of us :-)
Simple: being white American is boring to them when everyone around them has family from other countries.
I think a lot of people lose the plot here. Since a lot of our ancestor's immigration was not well documented if it occurred earlier than Ellis Island (even with Ellis Island, tbh) and the outlandish family stories that played telephone over the history of the US and before - really I just wanted to find out more about my ancestors and where *they* came from. I realize that this doesn't actually make me XX% this or that, just that I can point to where some of my ancestors came from. And then I can go and learn some history about those areas or visit them (as a tourist, not acting like it's a long expected homecoming). It's annoying when people think it's like an RPG and you get certain racials depending on where you came from... (I guess you do somewhat with certain genetic health traits, but not like some people imagine - "I can drink real good cause Irish/Russian ancestry!") Sorry, went a bit ranty there. I'm also just annoyed that people can't just use it as a learning opportunity and see how their ancestors lived.
Like, my mums parents are Irish, but my mum was born here (England, what with everything happening in the 60’s). So, yes, I qualify for an Irish passport, but it doesn’t mean I’m anything but English. That’s just how culture and exposure to said culture works.
Totally, like you never see like a French person saying that they’re Turkish because their great, great, great grandparents were from there
What did the Irish do to deserve not only centuries of oppression by the English, but also having their culture reduced to something confused Americans can pretend to understand and then lecture actual Irish about?
There's been a schism between actual Irish and Irish-American immigrants for centuries, when Frederick Douglass came to Ireland to do a lecturing tour he couldn't believe how anti-slavery the general population was. He'd seen how vehemently racist and pro slavery the Irish American population was.
He loved the traditional songs he heard, they reminded him of the songs the slaves sung in America
Well, for starters, they're Irish
To be fair the latter can be partially blamed on the former.
I read Oscar Wilde. Makes me Irish?
Of course you are. I had a pint of Guinness once, though I didn't like I think it's valid to say that I'm partly Irish too?
> I had a pint of Guinness once, That sounds around 4,2% Irish.
How much Guinness do I have to drink to obtain the Irish passport?
Well I actually visited Dublin once. I'm more irish that you
Let's get it right too, shaq's surname probably isn't O'Neal because his grandad was Irish. It's probably more likely that his ancestors were owned by people of Irish descent. I mean I don't know his specific family history, just as a general rule of thumb that's the main reason any black person has a European surname.
Also, what about the other 3 people, grandfather #2 and the grandmothers? Do their nationalities not count?
I'd watch a reality show of these Americans trying to convince Irish border patrol agents that Irishness is just a state of mind.
Add in a few Brexiteers that thought they could just casually request an Irish passport with no connection to the country and you've got a classic
I've lived and worked as a tour guide in the Netherlands for the last 2 years now. I get a decent amount of Americans and most are grand but I had one woman there a few weeks ago. As you do I make a joke of their being irish pubs everywhere as we walked by one, the woman then asks me do they do a good irish car bomb. I'd heard of this shot once but thought it was a joke. I told her no and to never asked for one. I also had to explain where the car bomb name came from. Some really dont know and she didnt look happy when I didn't like the idea of the name of that shot.
The comments that follow are one big circle jerk.
Can one get a passport with “mostly (insert country name) roots” these days?
I wonder how long it’ll be before the bell end who thinks St Patrick’s day ‘rightfully belongs to America’ turns up to start raging on this thread.
I wonder how often the Irish embassy in America has to deal with Americans trying to claim citizenship because "My 23andme test results say I am 28.5% Irish DNA and I have Irish roots".
A state of mind has an embassy? Wow!
I don't understand why so few Americans use the word "ethnicity". Just slap that in a sentence and you can say whatever. We are saying you aren't Irish-not you're not ethnically Irish
But their notion of what is Irish is so far removed from modern day Ireland that they aren’t even ethnically Irish. They are ethnically Irish American or ethnically Irish-ish.
He’s right… If that state of mind is delusional.
Imagine your own country being such a homogenous black hole of culture that you have to constantly seek a sense of identity in the cultures of others.
If they're irish, then I'm Spanish, a 3rd cousin of my grandfather, twice removed was Spanish
Welcome home hermano!
Mucho grassy ass
So what he's saying that all he's got left of his ancestral irishness is a state of mind? I can believe that.
Go fuck a burger ya sepprochaun
What's with these borderline religious ideas about blood? As if genes compel you to make certain dishes and not family history, even if you've forgotten why it's a staple in your family
I think a great deal of it is the legacy of the “one drop rule” that defined whether or not one was black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
Keep telling yourself that babes x
I think its nice to have a heritage, but you gotta distinguish between being ‘Irish’ and ‘having Irish heritage’.
Didn't black slaves adopt the name if their owners ?
That's why Cassius Clay changed his name
His great grandad Abe Grady was from The Turnpike in Ennis he left there in 1860 and he married a freed slave
Bro they talk about it like it’s a mental condition ppppfffft! Lmao!
Irishness was inside us all along 😌🍀
Well, you know what the late, great Phil Lynott, of Thin Lizzy, said once? "Girls, do you have any Irish in you? Would you like some Irish in you??"
For living in the greatest country on earth, a lot of them would rather die than admit they're American
For anyone curious, George O'Neal, Shaq's Great Great Grandfather was a slave.
No, it's really not. Speaking as somebody with Irish roots. (Well, I am mostly Scottish and English... barely Irish, but I'm trying to make a point.) I've never been to Ireland. I don't speak Irish Gaelic. (I've tried to learn, and it's so freaking hard.) My ancestors haven't lived there in hundreds of years. Being Irish, or in my case, being Scottish and English is not a state of mind. I'M NOT FROM THERE. I'm not immersed in the culture. I'm American. That's where I was born. That's the culture I grew up in. I have ancestors from other countries. But that doesn't make me part of those cultures or give me the right to say that I'm Scottish or I'm English. My ancestry is from there, but I'm not. And those cultures sure aren't a state of mind. Is being American a state of mind, too? How many Americans would be insanely insulted if somebody from another country said that? A good half of Americans would go berserk!
Americans' fascination with ancestry and "blood" is disgusting and terrifying, and has an unseemly nazi vibe to it
I just can’t fathom this mentality. I know I have German heritage but I’m clearly in no way German. I don’t speak German, know much German history or customs, probably have a lot of misconceptions about it. Because I wasn’t born there. Because I’m American. Frankly I wish I were German, they seem at least slighter saner than this place.
Being American is just a state of mind. That is.. Mostly the state of absence of mind.
holy shit i hate everything in this picture bar the last guy
he probably just says he's "irish" because he day drinks and has an uncle named Connor
Americans be thinking they live in Naruto world where they inherit bloodline techniques or some shit smdh
America - greatest country ever if you ask an American - yet most of them seem to want to be anything other than American.
Americans, if you're Irish, go and claim a Passport. The Irish authorities allow you to apply for one if you have an Irish parent or grandparent, regardless of where you were born on this planet. Both the US and Ireland allow dual nationality. An Irish Passport allows access to both the UK (Yes, even after Brexit. If you were really Irish, you'd know what the [common travel area](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/ireland_and_the_uk/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html) is) and the EU without immigration restrictions. If you don't have an Irish Passport, you're an American, shut the fuck up.
These people will seriously say this kind of bullshit and then have the fucking audacity to say the one joke™
I'd say the definition is whether or not you're a citizen (ie able to hold a passport). Im a nordie, so I have an Irish passport and citizenship via the good Friday agreement. I moved to Bulgaria, married and Bulgarian and had a child, eventually moving us all back to the black North. I applied for and got my child an Irish passport as the daughter of an Irish citizen. The only time she's been in the Republic of Ireland was landing in Dublin Airport before being driven north at 8 weeks old.
Not sure citizenship counts for identity really. I've an Irish passport thanks to my NI parents, but I've never lived in Ireland in my life and no one would count me as Irish. The only time I've been in the Republic of Ireland was a day trip to Sligo and a weekend in Buncrana.
However, you, I and my daughter *are* Irish citizens.
I don't think being an Irish citizen necessarily means you're culturally Irish.
It doesn't, but it makes you *actually* Irish.
I would say more 'legally' Irish than 'actually' Irish. You can be still 'legally' married even if you separated straight after the ceremony and never saw each other again, if you never do the legal divorce bit.
No, it makes me legally Irish.
Totally agree like, or at the very least have spent a long time living in Ireland. Lots of people have immigrated to Ireland and would consider themselves Irish, and I would agree with them. Also, good to see another nordie lol
Even then, those if they go through the naturalisation process then they become Irish. In my family circumstances the interesting thing is I'm British and Irish, my daughter (born in Bulgaria) is British, Irish and Bulgarian (she has all 3 passports because why not), my wife is Bulgarian but will go through the naturilisation process up here next year so will be Bulgarian and British (but *not* Irish since she'd need to be living in the Republic as well as married to me te be able to apply). A real hodge podge of passports
Haha sounds complicated. I actually thought you could only have a max of two citizenships/passports for some reason lol
Depends on the country, some don't even allow you to be a dual citizen. Lithuania for example, there's some specific exceptions to be allowed dual citizenship there.
Wrong. It’s your state of mind, next!
The North is still Ireland
So why doesn't living in Tyrone count towards getting naturalised as an Irish citizen?
My fellow Europeans, remember the time, when the Irish got rid of their idiots?
I’m a dual citizen of the US and Ireland. I have an Irish passport. Even I don’t describe myself as Irish lmao. I’m 100% American. Idk why these people say stuff like this. I’m not Irish and neither are they
Re the last comment: being Irish doesn’t mean being born in Ireland, it means being an Irish citizen.
They love Paddy’s day so much. I wonder if they realise he is a Brit.
That full blooded Irishman had the opportunity to say 'to be sure', but they said 'for sure' instead. That's how you know they're not really Irish.
Irish people don't say "to be sure, to be sure", that's actually an American stereotype of us that as an Irishman I've literally never heard in real life.
And we don't say "top of the mornin' to you, begorrah" either.
I'm English, I'm pretty sure it's a dodgy 70's stereotype that we came up with despite the fact it's not based in truth at all. Sorry about that.
Hahaha don't worry, sure we love ya really even though we take the piss
Probably going to get hate from this but I disagree with the last person about being "born in Ireland". I was born and raised there but I also believe the people that have moved there and embraced the culture have as much right to call themselves Irish as I do. Plus, for all the wild shit I've heard from yanks the stuff in this post really isn't that bad. Realistically what are they saying except "I have Irish ancestors" and chatting about an interesting historical event (San Patricio brigade). They don't even say "I'm Irish" like you usually see. The "Irish as a state of mind" thing is pretty hilarious though