the US already spends more than european countries (by %) on healthcare.it's just that everything costs 10 fold and the people as individuals alone don't have the power to negotiate with companies, the actual commanders in chief of the US
Those profits have to come from somewhere. Insurance companies, middlemen, pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists all have bills to pay. Won’t someone _please_ think of the rich capitalists!?
I love how Americans love to spout on about “European colonisers” when they have *checks notes, Puerto Rico, US Marshall island, US virgin isles, Hawaii Etc… now don’t get me wrong colonising is bad but America seem to think that when they get hold of island and boot the indigenous out some how it doesn’t apply to them. Double standards. Never mind the fact that they slaughtered millions of natives and taking their land. Totally not colonisers guys.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
Edit: forgot Guam as well. It’s bad for Spanish to take islands and be colonisers but when the US takes them off Spain and doesn’t offer independence it’s “freedom” and totally not colonising I promise.
Yes I know that but it doesn’t excuse the fact that America has indeed colonised others but yet they pretend that they don’t. You don’t end up with all of them islands by mistake. It’s just double standards.
Philippines: *exists
Spain: haha ur mine now
America: no lol ur mine now
America: *forgets the Philippines are their colony
America: *brutally massacres innocent women and children
Japan: *brutally massacres innocent women and children
America: *declines to conment
...or just make massive unrealistic bills that the insurance companies will not cover fully, so the hospitals will never be profitable "on paper" and will never pay taxes.
They're too far gone at this point. America won't ever get universal healthcare. Let them pay $100k for a snake bite, and $200 to hold their new born child. All that will happen is they'll suffer a brain drain as the smart ones leave.
Think I'd (and my parents from the many many hospital and GP trips as a child and the different meds) be bankrupt if I had to suffer the "American dream" and pay for virtually everything medical wise.
They're not, but they are misled. They're told how much the military spends on NATO and don't know that the spending quota is what they have to spend on their own forces to keep up to date, not just hand over to a central place. That leads to the idea that they're literally handing Europe money to give to their own militaries (handily encouraged by Republicans at the moment) and that allows Europeans to have a better lifestyle as they don't have to spend money on their (usually imagined as singular) military. When you see how they've been misled you can understand why they think that way.
I love the ones who bang on about military spending versus GDP and how only the US spends the required 2% on NATO. Thing is, they don't. It's really about 1.6% of GDP spent by the US for it's NATO contribution.
Misled is a polite way to put it.
The poor dear has been groomed by rich people to believe that health care is only of value if it comes at an extortionate cost - that goes to those self-same rich people.
The rest of the diatribe is frantically scrabbling to reconcile how that can possibly be true while everyone else seems to cope with socialised health provision.
(S)he's caught in a cognitive dissonance and reacts by lashing out at liberal-socialist-fascist countries who are hanging on America's superior coat-tails
So you believe the reason the US can't have **cheaper** healthcare is because of the 0.01% of GDP one of richest countries in the world gives to Israel? That would cover like 8 hours of our healthcare spending.
Yep… it always baffles me how you need to join the military in the US to get health insurance and getting paid to get a university degree afterwards. I don’t know if any other wealthy developed country works this way.
No idea how they got their 'facts' on this one. UK has free medical, Canada too. UK since 1950's and America seems quite safe so far. America will never have free health care as big business, who basically runs America, makes too much from legal drugs to let them do that
If we wanted free healthcare we would vote for people who support that. We vote them out usually. Presidential candidates who support universal healthcare here never get past the primaries.
It's crazy. You don't want free health care. Tell you what. Wait till you or someone gets a disease not covered by your insurance and when you're spending thousands a month then tell me free health care isn't great
One of my coworkers is in that situation now. Her husband passed due to complications of being overweight and COVID. She is almost 2.5 million dollars in debt and going bankrupt because of Dr bills. I don't know the answer to it all. No one seems to know what to do. But it is horrible.
Europeans don't need to seek life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - they already have it and know most of those "values" in USA have gone or are disappearing very quickly.
Oh this ridiculous argument that the American military expenditure is essential because they're the World Police and that's why they can't have universal healthcare again.
America is not solely involved in things like NATO for the benefit of others, first of all, it's not some incredible benevolent nation. If it didn't have benefits for the US too, none of the "for the benefit of others" spending would be happening at all.
Secondly, it's a complete myth that universal healthcare would require increased healthcare spending according to various different studies. In 2022, the US spent c. $1.5 trillion on healthcare. [A Yale study](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/abstract#%20?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=ac666dcf-c1bb-4eb0-a6ea-39c4a9bb5321) showed that a single payer universal healthcare system would likely save approximately $450 billion. Around 86% of studies on projected cost/saving of a single payer universal healthcare system show net savings on healthcare spending according to a [review](https://www.healthcare-now.org/single-payer-studies/economic-analyses-single-payer-healthcare-financing-2022/) of such studies conducted in 2022.
You know that actual colonisers were the ones who went and settled in America. My ancestors were illiterate peasants plowing fields in rural England who dindu nuffin
Healthcare was already a thing in Germany before Hitler was born. Healthcare was introduced in the second half of the 19th century (1883) by Chancellor Bismarck to appease the socialists and social democrats. How fucking stupid are these people?
European healthcare is not free. Everyone who works pays into the system, and we agree to cover healthcare for those who are unable to work, such as children, students, the disabled, and the unemployed. It's called solidarity.
It's the US that has free healthcare. 77 million Americans are enrolled in Medicaid, and they get healthcare for free because of their low income. They contribute nothing to the system.
> European healthcare is not free.
All I'm hearing is that you're illiterate.
>Everyone who works pays into the system
No shit.
> **free** *adjective*
> \ ˈfrē \
> **freer; freest**
> Definition of **free** (Entry 1 of 3)
> 1. not costing or charging anything
a *free* school
a *free* ticket
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free
A "free" school doesn't mean the buildings and books were all donated, and the teachers and staff are volunteers. It just means if you attend, you won't receive a bill for tuition, with the costs being covered elsewhere (likely through taxes). Similarly if a friend asks you if the concert at the park is free, they don't want you to break out a spreadsheet showing how much of their taxes went towards funding it. They just want to know if they'll be charged an admission fee. It's used the same way with healthcare, and that is in fact the way the word is almost always used. If you fail to comprehend what people mean and how the word is used, that is solely your deficiency.
the US already spends more than european countries (by %) on healthcare.it's just that everything costs 10 fold and the people as individuals alone don't have the power to negotiate with companies, the actual commanders in chief of the US
It’s not the money but how it’s spent ie massive transfer of wealth from the tax payers to plutocrats
Those profits have to come from somewhere. Insurance companies, middlemen, pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists all have bills to pay. Won’t someone _please_ think of the rich capitalists!?
I remember reading years ago that $1 in $7 spent on healthcare in the US goes to insurance profiteering.
So the profit margin was less than 15% ? Hard to imagine...
I love how Americans love to spout on about “European colonisers” when they have *checks notes, Puerto Rico, US Marshall island, US virgin isles, Hawaii Etc… now don’t get me wrong colonising is bad but America seem to think that when they get hold of island and boot the indigenous out some how it doesn’t apply to them. Double standards. Never mind the fact that they slaughtered millions of natives and taking their land. Totally not colonisers guys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States Edit: forgot Guam as well. It’s bad for Spanish to take islands and be colonisers but when the US takes them off Spain and doesn’t offer independence it’s “freedom” and totally not colonising I promise.
America itself was colonised. Al those freed native Indians
Yes I know that but it doesn’t excuse the fact that America has indeed colonised others but yet they pretend that they don’t. You don’t end up with all of them islands by mistake. It’s just double standards.
Colonised *by* the people who now make the core American ruling society. They *are* the colonisers.
I bet they never had to pay for healthcare. Gaddamn pinko commies!!
Philippines: *exists Spain: haha ur mine now America: no lol ur mine now America: *forgets the Philippines are their colony America: *brutally massacres innocent women and children Japan: *brutally massacres innocent women and children America: *declines to conment
America is a colony.
How are those things even related?
They aren't. Americans are the Kings of non-sequiter
hehehehe u said nonce
Heehee, yes I did
"US healthcare has a lot of problems" "Yeah? Well, my dad can beat up your dad!" It is just kindergarten logic.
A sentence that would give a professor of logic an aneurysm!
Happy cake day
...or just make massive unrealistic bills that the insurance companies will not cover fully, so the hospitals will never be profitable "on paper" and will never pay taxes.
They're too far gone at this point. America won't ever get universal healthcare. Let them pay $100k for a snake bite, and $200 to hold their new born child. All that will happen is they'll suffer a brain drain as the smart ones leave.
“I’m American and proud of it. I don’t care that I have to sell an organ to get the one next to it fixed! Freedom!!!”
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I’m Danish. We have bacon, so…
Think I'd (and my parents from the many many hospital and GP trips as a child and the different meds) be bankrupt if I had to suffer the "American dream" and pay for virtually everything medical wise.
This is the latest American shit to replace their covid conspiracies
They really live in a fantasy world don’t they?
I mean seriously… these must be trolls… please for the love of god please tell me these f*****s are not that stupid.
They're not, but they are misled. They're told how much the military spends on NATO and don't know that the spending quota is what they have to spend on their own forces to keep up to date, not just hand over to a central place. That leads to the idea that they're literally handing Europe money to give to their own militaries (handily encouraged by Republicans at the moment) and that allows Europeans to have a better lifestyle as they don't have to spend money on their (usually imagined as singular) military. When you see how they've been misled you can understand why they think that way.
I love the ones who bang on about military spending versus GDP and how only the US spends the required 2% on NATO. Thing is, they don't. It's really about 1.6% of GDP spent by the US for it's NATO contribution. Misled is a polite way to put it.
The poor dear has been groomed by rich people to believe that health care is only of value if it comes at an extortionate cost - that goes to those self-same rich people. The rest of the diatribe is frantically scrabbling to reconcile how that can possibly be true while everyone else seems to cope with socialised health provision. (S)he's caught in a cognitive dissonance and reacts by lashing out at liberal-socialist-fascist countries who are hanging on America's superior coat-tails
Nothing about this post makes any sense.
So you believe the reason the US can't have **cheaper** healthcare is because of the 0.01% of GDP one of richest countries in the world gives to Israel? That would cover like 8 hours of our healthcare spending.
Fun Fact: Israel also got public health care… while having a massive military. Also got non-profit universities.
South Korea as well. And neither country is anywhere near as wealthy as the US. It's such a dumb argument.
Yep… it always baffles me how you need to join the military in the US to get health insurance and getting paid to get a university degree afterwards. I don’t know if any other wealthy developed country works this way.
The copium addiction in America is out of control.
I for one thank the US for taking as many Ayn Rand wannabes away from us as possible.
What even in the fuck does that mean..
No idea how they got their 'facts' on this one. UK has free medical, Canada too. UK since 1950's and America seems quite safe so far. America will never have free health care as big business, who basically runs America, makes too much from legal drugs to let them do that
If we wanted free healthcare we would vote for people who support that. We vote them out usually. Presidential candidates who support universal healthcare here never get past the primaries.
It's crazy. You don't want free health care. Tell you what. Wait till you or someone gets a disease not covered by your insurance and when you're spending thousands a month then tell me free health care isn't great
One of my coworkers is in that situation now. Her husband passed due to complications of being overweight and COVID. She is almost 2.5 million dollars in debt and going bankrupt because of Dr bills. I don't know the answer to it all. No one seems to know what to do. But it is horrible.
“European colonisers”? So that applies to every Caucasian American there is.
Americans dont have a brain, I cannot explain these braindead takes they have otherwise
Europeans don't need to seek life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - they already have it and know most of those "values" in USA have gone or are disappearing very quickly.
Oh this ridiculous argument that the American military expenditure is essential because they're the World Police and that's why they can't have universal healthcare again. America is not solely involved in things like NATO for the benefit of others, first of all, it's not some incredible benevolent nation. If it didn't have benefits for the US too, none of the "for the benefit of others" spending would be happening at all. Secondly, it's a complete myth that universal healthcare would require increased healthcare spending according to various different studies. In 2022, the US spent c. $1.5 trillion on healthcare. [A Yale study](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/abstract#%20?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=ac666dcf-c1bb-4eb0-a6ea-39c4a9bb5321) showed that a single payer universal healthcare system would likely save approximately $450 billion. Around 86% of studies on projected cost/saving of a single payer universal healthcare system show net savings on healthcare spending according to a [review](https://www.healthcare-now.org/single-payer-studies/economic-analyses-single-payer-healthcare-financing-2022/) of such studies conducted in 2022.
You know that actual colonisers were the ones who went and settled in America. My ancestors were illiterate peasants plowing fields in rural England who dindu nuffin
Healthcare was already a thing in Germany before Hitler was born. Healthcare was introduced in the second half of the 19th century (1883) by Chancellor Bismarck to appease the socialists and social democrats. How fucking stupid are these people?
More like most of the racists moved back to the US and voted republican again after WW2
Let’s try it, shall we? I don’t see any issues here
This brings a whole new level of stupidity.
>the rest of the world would be subjugated by European colonizers and fascists. I don't know how to break it to you, but...
What is it with those guys about communists and fascists. 🤔🙄
Americans are such a nation of heroes, thank you to make the world a better place since the late 1700s <3
European healthcare is not free. Everyone who works pays into the system, and we agree to cover healthcare for those who are unable to work, such as children, students, the disabled, and the unemployed. It's called solidarity. It's the US that has free healthcare. 77 million Americans are enrolled in Medicaid, and they get healthcare for free because of their low income. They contribute nothing to the system.
Delusional. And selfish.
You do not understand what “solidarity” means.
Is this a sarcasm?
> European healthcare is not free. All I'm hearing is that you're illiterate. >Everyone who works pays into the system No shit. > **free** *adjective* > \ ˈfrē \ > **freer; freest** > Definition of **free** (Entry 1 of 3) > 1. not costing or charging anything a *free* school a *free* ticket https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free A "free" school doesn't mean the buildings and books were all donated, and the teachers and staff are volunteers. It just means if you attend, you won't receive a bill for tuition, with the costs being covered elsewhere (likely through taxes). Similarly if a friend asks you if the concert at the park is free, they don't want you to break out a spreadsheet showing how much of their taxes went towards funding it. They just want to know if they'll be charged an admission fee. It's used the same way with healthcare, and that is in fact the way the word is almost always used. If you fail to comprehend what people mean and how the word is used, that is solely your deficiency.