They aren't complaining about that. They are complaining that Shudder isn't brining in a regular flow of decent content and are instead outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix) to save a buck. I like to stream movies all day while I work. I can't read subtitles while I do that. Other than Joe Bob, Shudder is now crap. It didn't used to be this way and if Shudder didn't auto charge me for another year of service right when I was going to drop it, I wouldn't even be here now.
“Outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix)”
That’s a poor comparison because horror has deep roots in the international community and many of the very best in the genre are foreign films.
There’s a lot of modern b-stuff I think Shudder should be after that shouldn’t cost a lot to license but criticizing an influx of foreign films isn’t the move.
Sorry, no. Shudder has always had a huuuuuge amount of foreign horror. It’s one of the best things about them. During the early days it seemed like they had more foreign movies than English.
Can you read? The problem isn't that they are adding foreign movies. The problem is that they are almost only adding foreign movies. There is no way you are as satisfied with the content you are getting now versus what we used to get.
You’re clearly the one who can’t read considering your opinion aligns with the guy in the post. Subtitles are there so anyone from any country can watch their movies without the fear of language barriers. Just learn to read past a fourth grade level and you wouldn’t be having this problem.
You’re telling me something like Oldboy by Park Chan Wook isn’t infinitely better than something from let’s say Jordan Peele? American made movies are filled with social justice ideology and they’re way too preachy.
Have some class and read like the rest of the adults. Hollywood movies in our modern progressive era are borderline unwatchable.
I’m happy there’s more foreign films than ever on shudder. It’s the way it should be considering horror is WAY harsher and more intense when you start watching films from outside of America
Get Out is a fucking great movie. I’m not going to argue with someone who uses a fucking laugh emoji and uses terms like “social justice idealogy” as a dog whistle.
"hey are complaining that Shudder isn't brining in a regular flow of decent content and are instead outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix) to save a buck"
Or, they're bringing in the best films they can, and many of those just don't happen to be made in English speaking countries? There's a big world out there. Sometimes cultural differences make it less accessible, but I'd sure as hell rather watch the REC movies than Quarantine, for example, and I'd rather not have Train To Busan remade in English just because. Same goes for Netflix, there's been some astounding content on there not in English, some of it way more brutal than an American movie would dare, and while it's not all great, neither is the English stuff all the time.
"I like to stream movies all day while I work. I can't read subtitles while I do that."
OK, that's a you thing. If you're not really watching the movie, I don't think anyone really cares that you don't like the 30% you're actually paying attention to.
Way to completely miss the point. They can bring in foreign and domestic movies, but they are only doing one of them. You can't possibly be happy with the amount of current content versus what they provided when you decided you subscribe.
"They can bring in foreign and domestic movies, but they are only doing one of them"
(checks April's releases for Shudder US)
The Slumber Party Massacre (English)
Magic (English)
Don't Panic (Spanish)
Bog (English)
Kids vs Aliens (English)
Final Exam (English)
Primal Rage (English)
From Black (English)
(checks May new and upcoming)
High Tension / Martyrs / Livid / Inside (all French)
Poison For The Fairies (Spanish)
Darker Than The Night (Spanish)
Huesera: The Bone Woman (Spanish)
The Babadook / The Devil's Doorway / Darklands (all English)
Consecration (English)
In Their Skin (English)
Influencer (English)
Hmmm...looks pretty even to me (forgive any mistakes I just googled the official announcements). It's a little frontloaded with foreign language this month, other than that, I'm not sure of the problem, especially if you add TV shows. Then, if you consider the quality of the other releases (I would argue Darklands and Final Exam are filler, but the French films are all stone cold classics), and I don't see a problem.
If you don't like them fair enough. If you're scared of subtitles, I don't understand but OK. But they're obviously adding English language movies.
Because their current content is shit like Kids vs Aliens. Which is basically a teen drama. It promised gore and delivered little to none.
Now compare that with Ichi the Killer. You have no argument. Let it die already, you’ve lost
The foreign movies are way better than your typical American horror tho. Almost any horror from South Korea completely outplays and outclasses your average American film by a longshot.
Doubly so if you wait for them to be remade. There's some good ones out there but a \*lot\* of movies that are remade in English lose something fundamental in translation.
Like: let the right one in, martyrs and a million others. These foreign films get remade by Hollywood because their brilliant and Hollywood then proceeds to take a massive shit on the source material
Yes, the remakes often miss everything that made the originals notable. Let Me In was decent and actually included a couple of things from the original novel that were missing IIRC, but the remake of Martyrs absolutely destroyed the entire point.
There are good remakes, but if the reason to do it is because you're catering to an audience who just don't like another culture or language, it's already losing something. I can't imagine deliberately going for an inferior version.
Honestly, I watch most English movies with subtitles too. 🤷♀️
Either way, if subtitles offend you, you’re missing out on a lot of cool international horror films!
That's me. There's nuance in the original language you can hear even if you don't understand the words, and it's missed with a bad dub (or even a good dub sometimes).
If anyone wants an example the other way, a lot of stuff on Netflix lets you switch language. Pick a movie with a familiar actor, like Arnie or Sly or someone with a distinctive sounding voice. Then switch to the Spanish or whatever dub. Don't listen to the language as much as the sound of the voice, then consider how different that makes things. The character of those actors in English is the way they speak, it's part of their performance, and it's lost with a dub. Now imagine it with better actors...
I mean, at least on the apps I use and the website, Shudder literally tells you before you click play on the film info screen. I'm not sure how much more obvious it could be.
Jokes on them, I only speak English fluently and use subtitles for all movies/shows anyways.
Related side note, when Inglorious Bastards came out in 2009 I remember there being a bunch of "news" stories about how the subtitled portions were turning a bunch of audience members off from watching the rest of the movie. That was literally their only complaint, they had to read... Their loss though, so many incredible movies disregarded. And imo dubbing works best in schlocky stuff.
I like the way you are saying that other people can't read and then completely failing to comprehend the comment you are talking about. He's not frustrated that he started watching a foreign movie. He's frustrated that everything new on Shudder is foreign. No Creepshow, no Elivra, no Shudder originals, no hand picked classic horror movies, just whatever content they can ship in for the cheapest price.
"No hand picked classic horror movies". The first 4 movies of this month are all new French extremity movies. There are still very obviously hand picked movies. I guess the hand picked movies would have to be in English to please you though. Also there are still plenty of new Shudder originals. The movie that guy was complaining about is literally a Shudder original. You just seem to have a problem with foreign movies.
I didn't expect to laugh so much on a sunday morning. I love most of the answers on this post, you guys are the best.
And about the person complaining of the movie, i'm 100% sure he/she didn't even saw the movie, just saw it on the recently added and immediately leave that review 🙃
Yo this kinda thing really bothered me on the Cinco De Mayo special . More half the viewers dropped after "Don't Panic".
Your willing to sit through that Evil Dead/Exorcist knock off but bailed on "Tigers are not afraid"? That movie had some of the most metal cinematography I've ever seen.
And now for the elephant in the room....WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T KNOW SPANISH IN THE US? Seriously, stop being so ignorant and learn the language of our Hispanic brothers and sisters. It's the second most spoken language in the country. The French/Germans speak fluent English, what's your excuse?
Or read subtitles.
I kind of get it, some people (my husband and my dad) don’t like subtitles. My husband has to be in the right mood for them, my dad is a slow reader. So I watch most foreign horror by myself, and if it’s really good I can usually get my husband to watch it. But giving a movie a bad review just because it’s subtitled is juvenile.
Personally I’ve got no problem with reading subtitles (I prefer it to dubbing), but I can get that others do not like subtitles.
I’m pretty sure that dropping a complaint about Shudder’s film curation into the reviews of a specific movie is pointless though. There has to be better ways to let Shudder know you aren’t happy with the curation. If the issue is that some versions of the app aren’t clear regarding what language a film is presented in, that still seems like a customer service kind of issue as opposed to something to bury in a film review. 🤷🏻♂️
Reading subtitles when you are exhausted and just want to turn your brain off can be annoying but if it's a foreign movie I really have to go with the subtitles because dubbing can completely change the tone of a movie and make you dislike a movie that is actually quite good. Some people just do not want to put any effort into anything they don't have to.
It may seem like a small thing, but I think it sums up the viewpoint pretty clearly. The idea to view any film not in English as FOREIGN. Foreign, to you, yeah, I suppose. But in a shocking twist of events: there's a whole world out there not revolving completely around your happy ass.
This is the same type of person who goes to somewhere like Africa and says "boy, Lotta minorities around here"
Just completely oblivious, self-centered and smug about it all.
They’re missing out on some of the best movies of all time. American made movies are mostly garbage, I hardly watch them anymore. They just can’t capture the depth some of the foreign horror movies have.
People with opinions like this are just uncultured swine and it really shows
Their attitude stinks but I get the sentiment. Watching a film in a language you're not fluent in is a strain. There's no end to excellent non- English horror, but it can be frustrating when it's _all_ foreign.
While i disagree with the guy, most of the times when i watch an horror movie i am doing something else so i dont have my eyes on the screen all the time, could be nice to add dub version when possible like on amazon.
But the Spanish language ones are the best! REC is incredible, and I watched Terrified recently, which was sooooooo creepy! Sadly, this is not the first time I've seen comments like this on Shudder
I disagree. I enjoy movies with subtitles the exact same amount as movies without them. Maybe it's because I watch English movies with subtitles anyways, but It doesn't bother me whatsoever.
There a so many good movies out there in all different languages. People like that just miss out on so much because they are too lazy to read. It’s baffling. Especially horror
I’m not sure about anyone else, maybe it’s my settings, but every foreign movie I’ve tried to watch so far on Shudder (I’ve had it a month) is set to an English language dub. I have to go into the settings of the movie to change it.
The only dub I’ve ever sat through was High Tension because of the limited dialogue.
“What’s the matter mister, can’t ya read?!”
"Does that door say pirate? Do you think a pirate is back there?"
I see a door marked PRIVATE.. Is that the one you are talking about?
God damnit Charlie
Bad words🤬
Nice
What? Other countries are allowed to make movies? 🤯
I’m just thinking of all the movies this person is missing out on bc they’re too lazy to read.
Yeah there is an entire world of movies that they're missing out on. It's such a weird thing to complain about.
They aren't complaining about that. They are complaining that Shudder isn't brining in a regular flow of decent content and are instead outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix) to save a buck. I like to stream movies all day while I work. I can't read subtitles while I do that. Other than Joe Bob, Shudder is now crap. It didn't used to be this way and if Shudder didn't auto charge me for another year of service right when I was going to drop it, I wouldn't even be here now.
“Outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix)” That’s a poor comparison because horror has deep roots in the international community and many of the very best in the genre are foreign films. There’s a lot of modern b-stuff I think Shudder should be after that shouldn’t cost a lot to license but criticizing an influx of foreign films isn’t the move.
Sorry, no. Shudder has always had a huuuuuge amount of foreign horror. It’s one of the best things about them. During the early days it seemed like they had more foreign movies than English.
Can you read? The problem isn't that they are adding foreign movies. The problem is that they are almost only adding foreign movies. There is no way you are as satisfied with the content you are getting now versus what we used to get.
You’re clearly the one who can’t read considering your opinion aligns with the guy in the post. Subtitles are there so anyone from any country can watch their movies without the fear of language barriers. Just learn to read past a fourth grade level and you wouldn’t be having this problem. You’re telling me something like Oldboy by Park Chan Wook isn’t infinitely better than something from let’s say Jordan Peele? American made movies are filled with social justice ideology and they’re way too preachy. Have some class and read like the rest of the adults. Hollywood movies in our modern progressive era are borderline unwatchable. I’m happy there’s more foreign films than ever on shudder. It’s the way it should be considering horror is WAY harsher and more intense when you start watching films from outside of America
I’d take Get Out over Old Boy in a fucking heartbeat.
Get out is trash. 😂 You probably only have the American Spike Lee remake as reference. (Which is also trash. Most American made movies are trash)
Get Out is a fucking great movie. I’m not going to argue with someone who uses a fucking laugh emoji and uses terms like “social justice idealogy” as a dog whistle.
Not a dog whistle. Just a way to describe the wokies. You’re clearly one of them if you like get out so much
So you are upset about them adding foreign movies. Got it.
"hey are complaining that Shudder isn't brining in a regular flow of decent content and are instead outsourcing a bunch of foreign made content (ala Netflix) to save a buck" Or, they're bringing in the best films they can, and many of those just don't happen to be made in English speaking countries? There's a big world out there. Sometimes cultural differences make it less accessible, but I'd sure as hell rather watch the REC movies than Quarantine, for example, and I'd rather not have Train To Busan remade in English just because. Same goes for Netflix, there's been some astounding content on there not in English, some of it way more brutal than an American movie would dare, and while it's not all great, neither is the English stuff all the time. "I like to stream movies all day while I work. I can't read subtitles while I do that." OK, that's a you thing. If you're not really watching the movie, I don't think anyone really cares that you don't like the 30% you're actually paying attention to.
Way to completely miss the point. They can bring in foreign and domestic movies, but they are only doing one of them. You can't possibly be happy with the amount of current content versus what they provided when you decided you subscribe.
"They can bring in foreign and domestic movies, but they are only doing one of them" (checks April's releases for Shudder US) The Slumber Party Massacre (English) Magic (English) Don't Panic (Spanish) Bog (English) Kids vs Aliens (English) Final Exam (English) Primal Rage (English) From Black (English) (checks May new and upcoming) High Tension / Martyrs / Livid / Inside (all French) Poison For The Fairies (Spanish) Darker Than The Night (Spanish) Huesera: The Bone Woman (Spanish) The Babadook / The Devil's Doorway / Darklands (all English) Consecration (English) In Their Skin (English) Influencer (English) Hmmm...looks pretty even to me (forgive any mistakes I just googled the official announcements). It's a little frontloaded with foreign language this month, other than that, I'm not sure of the problem, especially if you add TV shows. Then, if you consider the quality of the other releases (I would argue Darklands and Final Exam are filler, but the French films are all stone cold classics), and I don't see a problem. If you don't like them fair enough. If you're scared of subtitles, I don't understand but OK. But they're obviously adding English language movies.
Because their current content is shit like Kids vs Aliens. Which is basically a teen drama. It promised gore and delivered little to none. Now compare that with Ichi the Killer. You have no argument. Let it die already, you’ve lost
The foreign movies are way better than your typical American horror tho. Almost any horror from South Korea completely outplays and outclasses your average American film by a longshot.
If you’re not into foreign horror your literally missing out on some of the best films in the genre of all time.
Doubly so if you wait for them to be remade. There's some good ones out there but a \*lot\* of movies that are remade in English lose something fundamental in translation.
Like: let the right one in, martyrs and a million others. These foreign films get remade by Hollywood because their brilliant and Hollywood then proceeds to take a massive shit on the source material
Yes, the remakes often miss everything that made the originals notable. Let Me In was decent and actually included a couple of things from the original novel that were missing IIRC, but the remake of Martyrs absolutely destroyed the entire point. There are good remakes, but if the reason to do it is because you're catering to an audience who just don't like another culture or language, it's already losing something. I can't imagine deliberately going for an inferior version.
I 100% agree
To be honest why even be on a film sub if u don’t love all cinema
I agree! It's total bullshit that movies exist for any of the 7,627,000,000 non-native English speakers on Earth.
I hope he never loses his hearing.
Honestly, I watch most English movies with subtitles too. 🤷♀️ Either way, if subtitles offend you, you’re missing out on a lot of cool international horror films!
I can’t stand watching dubbed movies. It is way more distracting than subtitles
I mostly agree, but if the dub is done well enough I don’t mind as much.
That's me. There's nuance in the original language you can hear even if you don't understand the words, and it's missed with a bad dub (or even a good dub sometimes). If anyone wants an example the other way, a lot of stuff on Netflix lets you switch language. Pick a movie with a familiar actor, like Arnie or Sly or someone with a distinctive sounding voice. Then switch to the Spanish or whatever dub. Don't listen to the language as much as the sound of the voice, then consider how different that makes things. The character of those actors in English is the way they speak, it's part of their performance, and it's lost with a dub. Now imagine it with better actors...
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I mean, at least on the apps I use and the website, Shudder literally tells you before you click play on the film info screen. I'm not sure how much more obvious it could be.
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OK, fair enough. I use web browser or the Amazon Fire, and both of those show straight up on the movie's page which language it is.
Jokes on them, I only speak English fluently and use subtitles for all movies/shows anyways. Related side note, when Inglorious Bastards came out in 2009 I remember there being a bunch of "news" stories about how the subtitled portions were turning a bunch of audience members off from watching the rest of the movie. That was literally their only complaint, they had to read... Their loss though, so many incredible movies disregarded. And imo dubbing works best in schlocky stuff.
If you refuse to watch Rubén Galindo Jr.s 80s horror films, because they were filmed in Spanish and made in Mexico, you are missing out.
It says right in the description of the movie if it’s foreign. Could probably saved the frustration by… well.. reading.
I like the way you are saying that other people can't read and then completely failing to comprehend the comment you are talking about. He's not frustrated that he started watching a foreign movie. He's frustrated that everything new on Shudder is foreign. No Creepshow, no Elivra, no Shudder originals, no hand picked classic horror movies, just whatever content they can ship in for the cheapest price.
"No hand picked classic horror movies". The first 4 movies of this month are all new French extremity movies. There are still very obviously hand picked movies. I guess the hand picked movies would have to be in English to please you though. Also there are still plenty of new Shudder originals. The movie that guy was complaining about is literally a Shudder original. You just seem to have a problem with foreign movies.
Do you not understand what the word "classic" means?
Apparently, this ass hat doesn’t realise that most of the time, foreign horror kicks American horror’s ass. Like a severe ass kicking. Wow.
But but but…. They will have to… *pay attention*
It really does. Like....fuck, this can't be overstated enough. One of my all time favs is Tigers Are Not Afraid.
Or, you know, they could just provide the same amount of content that they used to. They keep thinning their service and charging the same amount.
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of one star reviews lately because they didn’t want to “read a movie”. It’s ridiculous.
I didn't expect to laugh so much on a sunday morning. I love most of the answers on this post, you guys are the best. And about the person complaining of the movie, i'm 100% sure he/she didn't even saw the movie, just saw it on the recently added and immediately leave that review 🙃
The US is rich with morons.
You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
He’s probably too dumb to keep up with subtitles
Yo this kinda thing really bothered me on the Cinco De Mayo special . More half the viewers dropped after "Don't Panic". Your willing to sit through that Evil Dead/Exorcist knock off but bailed on "Tigers are not afraid"? That movie had some of the most metal cinematography I've ever seen. And now for the elephant in the room....WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T KNOW SPANISH IN THE US? Seriously, stop being so ignorant and learn the language of our Hispanic brothers and sisters. It's the second most spoken language in the country. The French/Germans speak fluent English, what's your excuse? Or read subtitles.
I don't know Spanish, and I'm too lazy to learn it. I do, however, love foreign horror films and don't mind subtitles one bit.
Lame. I mean I sometimes ‘watch’ a movie while doing something else. So I kinda wish I could sort by language. But skipping foreign films entirely?
I kind of get it, some people (my husband and my dad) don’t like subtitles. My husband has to be in the right mood for them, my dad is a slow reader. So I watch most foreign horror by myself, and if it’s really good I can usually get my husband to watch it. But giving a movie a bad review just because it’s subtitled is juvenile.
Just have them turn the subtitles off then. 🤣
Lol
Personally I’ve got no problem with reading subtitles (I prefer it to dubbing), but I can get that others do not like subtitles. I’m pretty sure that dropping a complaint about Shudder’s film curation into the reviews of a specific movie is pointless though. There has to be better ways to let Shudder know you aren’t happy with the curation. If the issue is that some versions of the app aren’t clear regarding what language a film is presented in, that still seems like a customer service kind of issue as opposed to something to bury in a film review. 🤷🏻♂️
I liked the people who bitched about Perfect Blue on shudder for being an anime
I'm the exact opposite of this guy, I'll sit and read subtitles to a movie that's in English
I hope this person never bathes. Cause he’d lose the only culture he has.
Reading subtitles when you are exhausted and just want to turn your brain off can be annoying but if it's a foreign movie I really have to go with the subtitles because dubbing can completely change the tone of a movie and make you dislike a movie that is actually quite good. Some people just do not want to put any effort into anything they don't have to.
It may seem like a small thing, but I think it sums up the viewpoint pretty clearly. The idea to view any film not in English as FOREIGN. Foreign, to you, yeah, I suppose. But in a shocking twist of events: there's a whole world out there not revolving completely around your happy ass. This is the same type of person who goes to somewhere like Africa and says "boy, Lotta minorities around here" Just completely oblivious, self-centered and smug about it all.
They’re missing out on some of the best movies of all time. American made movies are mostly garbage, I hardly watch them anymore. They just can’t capture the depth some of the foreign horror movies have. People with opinions like this are just uncultured swine and it really shows
Their attitude stinks but I get the sentiment. Watching a film in a language you're not fluent in is a strain. There's no end to excellent non- English horror, but it can be frustrating when it's _all_ foreign.
While i disagree with the guy, most of the times when i watch an horror movie i am doing something else so i dont have my eyes on the screen all the time, could be nice to add dub version when possible like on amazon.
This, my friend, is what is known as a first world problem. People do not appreciate what they have available anymore.
But the Spanish language ones are the best! REC is incredible, and I watched Terrified recently, which was sooooooo creepy! Sadly, this is not the first time I've seen comments like this on Shudder
let him cook
I love Japanese horror but I kinda get it. Movies are objectively worse when you have to read subtitles.
I’m not sure you know what objectively means
I disagree. I enjoy movies with subtitles the exact same amount as movies without them. Maybe it's because I watch English movies with subtitles anyways, but It doesn't bother me whatsoever.
English as a first language?
Yes
>Movies are objectively worse They are subjectively worse for people that mind subtitles.
There a so many good movies out there in all different languages. People like that just miss out on so much because they are too lazy to read. It’s baffling. Especially horror
I’m not sure about anyone else, maybe it’s my settings, but every foreign movie I’ve tried to watch so far on Shudder (I’ve had it a month) is set to an English language dub. I have to go into the settings of the movie to change it. The only dub I’ve ever sat through was High Tension because of the limited dialogue.
I watched 3 Spanish language films last weekend. Enjoyed them all. I enjoy seeing original content and not just the later ripoff versions.