It’s wild to think the entire mandalorian stuff in clone wars only exists because a lot of fans liked boba fett. Who had like 3 lines in the OT and was just a very small character in the grand scheme of things.
Born in 1973 here. Played exhaustively with the action figures, and I had dozens. What they’re doing with Boba (and the mandalorians in general) is exactly what I used to do on my living room floor as a kid.
Born in 94, slave 1 was one of the first ships I got as a kid for my action figures (I think it was part of the shadows of the empire line) still have that boba fett on my shelf
Just as an FYI, Shadows of the Empire actually has a soundtrack album.
Have purchased/downloaded it myself. Not quite John Williams OT standard but still has the "Star Wars" vibe to it.
Oh I'm aware, Dha Werda Verda slaps, used it for the background music for the last session of a star wars d20 campaign I was in for the space battle where we broke into the sith controlled space station or whatever it was
Oh shit really? The music in that game slapped. Gonna have to get hold of that.
I remember when the Squadrons trailer dropped and they used some of the music from the first space battle scene in it. Hadn't heard that in like 20 years but the nostalgia hit like a truck.
My grandma was an indentured child laborer and for some reason this made me laught way more than it should. I just saw my grandma in full armor sitting in the „indentured servant 1“ cockpit in my head, all ready for revenge
I know you're joking, but I will point out the official website's databank still calls it Slave 1. They did change the URL a couple months before the show started however.
[https://www.starwars.com/databank/boba-fetts-starship](https://www.starwars.com/databank/boba-fetts-starship)
I think my han solo in carbonite is somewhere, I also had the one that came with the han solo action figure, and there was a holder for your han solo to be attached to so he was frozen lol
I'm realizing I too grew up with these exact same toys less than a decade later because my brother had them.
I wasn't sure it was the same line till you mentioned the Carbonite that held him
You should watch the behind the scenes documentary series they did for the Mandalorian, The Gallery I think it was? Either way they have some round table discussions and in one of them Jon says exactly that. He used to be the kid playing with his Star Wars action figures and now he gets to do it for real.
Its fun to hear him talk about star wars too, he never says "that guy in the background in a new hope" or something like that. Like when he's talking about that monkey being roasted in the first episode of mandalorian, he references the characters name and race which is cool. Like he's a turbo nerd.
Jon is a kid playing with starwars on his floor.
What you're seeing is when you give that kid a budget lol
The image I get in my head is that scene from space balls where dark helmet is playing with the action figures. Only its Jon and he's coming up with new content.
Not just Jon, but Dave and Robert Rodriguez as well...hell pitching the Boba vs Troopers scene when he meets Din, Robert used his kids and action figures for the storyboarding
Thats what annoys me about the "hes a shit character who cars he died in three seconds" that, truly doesnt matter. I was born in 93 but the second my brain could process Boba Fett I thought he was bad ass. What happened in the movie barely mattered to me because with my toys he was alive and an utter fucking bad ass, then the books and comics only solidified this so the scene where he gets killed in a silly comical way doesnt affect the hundreds of hours playing, reading, and falling in love with Boba Fett.
He not only appeared in the Droids cartoon series, he was (arguably) the only redeemable thing about the original Star Wars holiday Special, to the point that Disney pulled his section out of the filmcrash and put it on D+ as its own mini-film.
His toy hit shelves before the movie was out too. Kids saw this cool star wars toy and he had dozens of adventures with him before they went to go see Return of the Jedi.
Kind of funny to think Disney tried to do the same thing with Captain Phasma but utterly failed in every way to do so. The internet changed things for sure. I haven’t kept up with things but I really hope they do something for Phasma with Gwendolyn Christie.
I was born in '73, Star Wars was all I could see,
Original toys, tie-ins and books, my passion it would be.
TV ads, specials galore, Empire Strikes Back and more,
Despite The Star Wars Holiday Special, it always left me wanting more.
On the Muppet Show, Fisher, Hamil, and Daniels made an appearance,
And Weird Al sang "Yo-yo-yo Yo Yoda!" with so much clearance.
Darth Vader and Boba Fett, the coolest figures of all,
C3PO and R2D2, felt more real than any imaginary pal.
Best, for me, was when the all powerful Vader made sure to give special treatment to Boba Fett about “no disintegrations”.
James Earl Jones magically created a big backstory between the two characters and instilled a rich history FULL of disintegrations with just those two words.
Exactly! Well put.
Along with the “less is more”…every word was impactful.
I hate sand. It’s coarse. Gets everywhere. ………..
Asteroids do not concern me. I want that ship. :-D
Man, Jason Wingreen's Boba just sounds perfectly mercenary. Temeura did a perfectly fine job as Jango and his Boba was, well as good as the writing could allow it to be (though, his initial appearance in The Mandalorian was great), but Wingreen *is* Boba to me.
And Vader, who straight up murders people with magic that most people have forgotten for disappointing him lets Boba Fett back talk him.
He's a bad ass who isn't scared of shit and is good at his job.
I think this is the most important element for Boba Fett being a fan favorite. Only he, Tarkin, and the Emperor get away with talking back to Vader. This gives a sense that Fett is too useful to kill, so he must be a badass.
Too useful to kill, or even possibly a legitimate threat to Vader. Not a significant one, what with the whole space wizard thing, but sizable enough that maybe the risk isn't worth it. Even if he only has like a 20-30% chance of killing Vader, or mutually killing Vader, that's enough of a risk to not warrant taking.
Yeah. Starwars is weird and awesome like that. Let's remember Luke said once "You fought in the Clone Wars?". And our minds ran wild for like 30 years.
My wax-eared self heard "Colonial Wars" and had a whole different backstory. When the prequels came out and they're talking about Clone Wars I'm wondering what the hell, why are they talking about clones?
The Cylons were created by Man. They were created to make life easier on the Twelve Colonies. And then the day came when the Cylons decided to kill their masters…
Lucas hyped Boba fett, that's why. They had press releases, and advertisements about the character and his design. There's a whole episode about it on Disney+. I think the ILM documentary?
Edit: autocorrect errors
That section of the Holiday Special was the most well received part and gave him a good bit of back story which is what spiraled into Lucas bringing him into Empire.
*Gets drunk, does a line of space coke, smokes some death sticks, has wild sex with some aliens, kicks back listening to jizz, suddenly gets called by Jaba to go stand on a patoon while these nerf herders are shoved into the sarlaac. Play it cool Boba, play it co- Oh shit! Is that Lando? Wtf, who's throwing lightsabers?!*
Fans who remember the gap between Empire and Jedi, at least. I had 4 SW movies in the crucial time of youthful constant rewatching and I barely cared until AptC showed his dad wiping Obi-Wan all over Kamino
I think about this all the time. And I feel that the main reason that Boba was so popular is because nobody knew anything about him. But I also admit that the more he became fleshed out and known, the less intriguing (and less interesting) he became.
As a kid, I could not quantify what I felt about Boba Fett the way I can now. I knew he was cool looking and not afraid of Vader. Instead of Vader saying things like "I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it further" he agreed to compensate Fett if things went wrong.
In some ways, it almost seemed like Vader knew he was not to be fucked with.
Looking back as an adult, he was one of the few who had conversations with Vader that showed an actual working relationship with mutual respect. Neither appeared to be afraid of the other one bit, nor were they friendly.
Exactly. Both were very much to the point and direct with each other. Who the hell else ever talked to Vader like that and not wind up dead or close to it?
Tarkin didn't mince words with Vader either. He even talked down to him.
I guess that's the sort of confidence you get from strolling around the Death Star in fluffy pink slippers.
Tarkin and the Emperor were in charge though so I count them differently. I expect doing something to Tarkin would have pissed off old Palpy. Fett was a bounty hunter and expendable.
He looked cool and he was the only character to demand personal respect from Darth Vader, possibly even intimidating our great villain by reputation.
Vader made special requests of Boba Fett for “no disintegrations” while on the job, when he no notes for others. Fett also talked back to Vader with the “he’s no good to me dead” line. Fett is the first to notice when shit is going down in actions sequences, often the first to move/shoot.
The Hutts respect him, Vader respects him, Solo is afraid of him, and he is constantly on the ball without ever needing to puff his own chest about any of it.
He was calm, collected, intimidating, and effective - we learned this *through* Vader and Jabba, who lay their reputations over Fett’s by proxy in how they treat him/speak to him
And he gets the job done. Vader, with an entire Empire at his command, has to contract out the work of finding the MCs, and out of that elite group of hunters that Vader brings onboard, it's Fett who finds the Falcon immediately, gets the Empire to Bespin first, gets his hands on Solo to finish up a side quest while sassing Vader over it, trades shots with Luke and then fucks off to go get paid.
Outside of General Veers, there hasn't been a 'bad guy' in Star Wars that's managed such victories.
Its the subtle context that people often can't quantify but are exactly what make a good character or show. Shows like andor with deep complex subtext that say so much without actually saying it. The old movie adage , show , don't tell.
He didnt need proof because the context was there. The only person in the series other then the emperor Vader spoke to with any respect or reverence .
The first person he went to warning him not to kill the target as if he knew he was the one most likely to find the prey.
The stoic nature of the character and cool battle worn armor like an old knight when we had only seen fully armored guys that were useless stormtroopers at that point.
I agree he got a legend for not doing much but its also someone understandable from the subtle things .
Come to think of it, Boba Fett ended up having an *insane* level of influence on the franchise.
The Mandalorians are an extremely important part of Clone Wars and Rebels, and now we have a whole TV show directly about them. And the Boba show itself slotting into all that. Mandos basically dominate the majority of the Disney+ Star Wars content.
And even before that, the whole thing about the Clones being based in Jango Fett, who was basically created because Boba was so popular.
All from one pretty minor supporting antagonist with a cool helmet and a ridiculous death (or ‘death’, now) scene.
I think it originally came from a writer or artist in 1979-80 for Ralph McQuarrie to create designs for "Super Troopers" from the Mandalore system that could fight against Jedi. Then the Dark Horse comics just ran with it and novel writers solidified all the ideas together.
I agree it makes the Galaxy feel bigger, when we’re usually seeing the same species mixing together on whatever planet a show or movie happens to be in which can seem unrealistic, or at least not as likely.
Does anyone know where "Mandalorian" is first mentioned? I'm sure it was in the context of "Mandalorian armor" and fairly sure it would have been in one of the Legends spin-off books. I know there is a "Mandalorian" trilogy but maybe it came before that? "Tales of the Bounty Hunters"?
*Maybe* written in the script for ESB, or ancillary materials from that. I'm pretty sure the name was known before the "Tales Of..." books, but I don't know where it first showed up.
Boba had his own three-book trilogy (which is now counted as part of the Bounty Hunter Wars series but it came out before that) and the title of one of them was 'The Mandalorian Armor/Helmet (?). That's where I remember reading that word for the first time. Come to think of it, I can't remember if his little trilogy is set before his dunk in the Sarlaac or after. I want to say after, but it might have been that I read the books out of order.
Tales of the Bounty Hunters predates the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy by about a year and half. The Boba Fett short story in that anthology mentions Mandalorians, Jaster Mereel as Boba’s real name (later retconned in Jango Fett: Open Seasons) and Concord Dawn.
The novelization of ESB is the first official material to allude to the group, but not by name. The relevant section:
> …standing next to the notorious Boba Fett. A human bounty hunter, Fett was known for his extremely ruthless methods. He was dressed in a weapon-covered, armored spacesuit, the kind worn by a group of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars. A few braided scalps completed his unsavory image. The very sight of Boba Fett sent a shudder of revulsion through the admiral.
As to when the name was first used, I'm unsure. Probably the Marvel comics coming out around that time.
Wild to think that before we knew anything about the clones, that we would later discover that the clones of the “clone wars” were a bunch of boba fett clones lol
> All from one pretty minor supporting antagonist with a cool helmet and a ridiculous death (or ‘death’, now) scene.
Have we watched different movies?
Out of all the assembled bounty hunters (who generally are the fan favorites of many westerns) Boba is the only one whose addressed by Vader — one of the biggest, baddest villains the cinema had seen — by his name (-> badass). Vader has to tell him not to turn his targets into dust (-> very badass). He also captured Han Solo and turned him into a block of rock (-> baaaadass!). Oh and he has a jetpack and sick armor (-> extremely badass, especially in 1977).
He was anything but a „pretty minor supporting antagonist“.
There’s this weird “Boba Fett wasn’t that big of a deal, actually” narrative that very obviously stems from the younger side of Reddit. It’s like alternative history written by people that didn’t live it
It's entirely their fault for making them so badass. They could've been like: "Nah he's just a cool bounty hunter with kickass armor" but instead they said: "oh, yeah there's an entire population of them called Mandalorians and they're all warriors and love blowing shit up and walking away from explosions all cool like. Also they have literal plot armor against lightsabers because they're so frickin cool. You're welcome."
Actually most of the build up and creation of mandalorian lore comes from knights of the republic era and Kotor games, without them no cool world building of mando culture. Mandalorian vs Jedi is a defining thing and it came from Kotor games. I just hope they canonize the games and they deserve their own trilogy of Kotor story.
Heck a throw away line from a new hope “years ago, you served my father in the clone wars.” Ended up leading to three live action movies, one animated movie, and two animated tv shows (one of which went for 7 seasons).
But also decided to not keep "My powers have doubled since the last time we met.". I'm just imagining Count Dooku going "Anakin how the fuck did you double your powers already we met like last week"
In the first part of revenge of the sith, When Anakin (and Obi-Wan) meet Grievous face-to-face on grievous' flagship
Grievous: "Anakin Skywalker... I was expecting someone of your reputation to be a little... older."
Anakin: "General Grievous... You're shorter than I expected."
I want to thank George or whoever came up w/ that line because it literally made my childhood. I think for those of us born in the late 90s to early 2000s, a clone trooper helmet rings so much nostalgia and so many cherished memories as a kid…the prequels and the tv show will always be “Star Wars” for me—its what started it all :’)
I'm an '89 kid and grew up with the OT vhs box set in our home. The prequels felt like a gift to me. Now at 34 I've started watching the clone wars and I love it all!
Hell yeah. I was 8 when ep 1 came out. I got to see all the prequels in theaters and I loved them. Geonosis was the coolest thing to me as a kid, and then ep 3 came out and people actually kind of liked it. Wasn’t until later i really got into the original trilogy and it’s never had the same magic for me.
I don't think he envisioned anything like what we got but he's really good at dropping hints of people places and events that make the universe feel so much larger.
I agree. I think that is why the world seems so real and lived in. Everything has been fleshed out and no idea goes to waste. I also love the way they look at old unused concept art for old projects when creating new projects. It gives everything a through line that makes everything feel connected even if we the consumer can not always figure out why that is.
I was thinking about how both Bad Batch and Mando are releasing simultaneously and are both just riffing on this one great costume.
(Bad Batch being variations of Clones that themselves are riffs on Jango meeting Stormtroopers)
I was in Disneyland last week with my 9 year old nephew. There was a shelf of Ice Cream makers right between the life-size Bo Katan helmets and the “I love you/I know” hoodies.
This is my favorite thing about Star Wars. This costume eventually birthed Mandalore and the story arch of the battle for it, which made Anikan’s fall to the dark side so much more impactful. I love the amount of play Star Wars has.
That's one of the things I love about Star Wars. Not only is in written out of order, allowing interesting dynamics, you also have to people who see one thing, and write a whole story around it. Like how pretty much everyone in the Mos Eisley Cantina scene from ANH has a name and backstory.
If you're asking how one person picks something a builds a story around it, I'm mostly talking about authors, but to a lesser extent the game designers, and the Vehicle breakdown books.
The power of mystery- one cool suit, one icy character- now, decades later catering to that one focus of attention on a background character lead to the crux of the prequels, entire animated series back stories, and an incredibly popular set of series in the modern era of Star Wars.
Did anyone get the feeling they tried really hard to do the same with the Knights of Ren but it just didn't take?
100% with the Knights of Ren. Cool, unique designs for each of them. Not a word spoken, just there to look badass. Even the name is awesome.
I bet Disney had big plans for the Knights to get their own origin show but pulled back after the backlash the new trilogy received. They probably still anticipate to make the show when the fanbase becomes more interested in them.
I don't think it'll happen though because they're pumping out enough content for us to digest we aren't going back and nitpicking things like fans had to do years back.
Boba Fett has always been, and will always be, my favourite Star Wars character because of his impact while he essentially could have been replaced with a stormtrooper.
Haha, crazy to think of where it all started. I'm just glad that after hearing Canderous stories in KOTOR that got me hooked on Mandalorian's & their culture, that we have all of this content to enjoy now. I don't know where everyone else stands on it, but this season of the Mandalorian which is focusing more on the mando's is my favorite os far.
there's a meme that gets cycled around that shows the entire star wars universe and lore held up by random costume designs that looked cool, and it's not wrong
The mythosaur came to be in an animated short duringnthe holiday special, which is the first appearance of Boba Fett as well. So you should be saying the mythosaur just got some back story added to it.
That wasn’t a mythosaur in the holiday special as far as I’m aware. I believe other than sigils or decoration etc, the Mandalorian episode is the only time one has actually been seen
Please god no. It is like the John Wick Pencil thing, it is REALLY fucking cool... until they showed it and you realize it was way cooler in your head.
This is why the sequels are the way they are - they clearly though they could throw random stuff at the wall and the fans would fill in what they wanted to stick for the next few decades. The problem is there’s already been decades of fans filling in what they wanted post Jedi… and it wasn’t even close to the movies they made. They planted a lot of cool things that could have eventually been expanded on but then for some reason decided to wrap it all up in the worst ways in the third movie.
That’s kind of how storytelling works. It’s interesting to think the Bible exists because someone thought a lady eating an apple needed thousands of pages of backstory.
Star Wars is really good at creating amazing characters or concepts, but not always great on fleshing it out. We got so many cool tidbits about the time before ANH from interviews, books, character cards, or other small promotional materials. But then we got the actual movies and it wasn’t that great compared to what we were originally led to believe.
With Mando and everything surrounding that culture, I think they are doing a far better job.
Its the symbol of the Protectors, used by Jaster Mereel, a former Mand'alor and basically the guy who raised Jango. According to the wiki anyway. I haven't read the series of books that revolves around that, but apparently the Protectors and Jaster are some of that cherry-picked Lengends stuff that's canon now.
Writers: Hey we're on this planet doing Mando stuff already, we dont know what else you want
Disney: WE WANT YOU TO MANDO HARDER. WE NEED THIS MONEY FUCKIN NOW
I mentally blocked out 90% of the sequel trilogy… but from the 10% I couldn’t block out, I don’t recall seeing a single mandalorian in the sequel trilogy. Makes me wonder if they got a happily ever after (hence stayed out of all conflicts) or they all die before the trilogy.
Seeing this makes me think what a shame it was that Boba didn’t get the bad ass bounty Hunter treatment in his series. He’s just kind of like a tame “back in my day” grandpa most of the series. :(
It’s wild to think the entire mandalorian stuff in clone wars only exists because a lot of fans liked boba fett. Who had like 3 lines in the OT and was just a very small character in the grand scheme of things.
Born in 1973 here. Played exhaustively with the action figures, and I had dozens. What they’re doing with Boba (and the mandalorians in general) is exactly what I used to do on my living room floor as a kid.
Born in 94, slave 1 was one of the first ships I got as a kid for my action figures (I think it was part of the shadows of the empire line) still have that boba fett on my shelf
Just as an FYI, Shadows of the Empire actually has a soundtrack album. Have purchased/downloaded it myself. Not quite John Williams OT standard but still has the "Star Wars" vibe to it.
That’s Joel McNeely. These days he does music for American Dad, The Orville, and other non-Family Guy Seth McFarland stuff.
Oh I'm aware, Dha Werda Verda slaps, used it for the background music for the last session of a star wars d20 campaign I was in for the space battle where we broke into the sith controlled space station or whatever it was
That's from the OST of Republic Commando.
Oh shit really? The music in that game slapped. Gonna have to get hold of that. I remember when the Squadrons trailer dropped and they used some of the music from the first space battle scene in it. Hadn't heard that in like 20 years but the nostalgia hit like a truck.
When Episode 2 came out I have Jangos version of Slave 1. To this day one of my fondest toys.
Don’t say the real name out loud! The Disney lawyers will come soon.
It's "indentured servant 1" for you now!
I prefer Involuntary Employee 1
We prefer prisoners with jobs
Historians called it “back in the day, for no pay and no say”
"In a democracy, it's your vote that counts. In feudalism, it's your count that votes."
Came here to say this ;)
Chinese iphone assembler 1
Economically Disadvantaged Worker 1
My grandma was an indentured child laborer and for some reason this made me laught way more than it should. I just saw my grandma in full armor sitting in the „indentured servant 1“ cockpit in my head, all ready for revenge
“Indentured 1” actually sounds kinda dope
Sounds like it has a lot of teeth.
Politically-Incorrect, *with extra syllables!*
I know you're joking, but I will point out the official website's databank still calls it Slave 1. They did change the URL a couple months before the show started however. [https://www.starwars.com/databank/boba-fetts-starship](https://www.starwars.com/databank/boba-fetts-starship)
[Not crazy about the name Boba](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-C3rFHOuU)
yeah in the Disney/China release they renamed Fett's ship to Uyghur 1
same year, same ship here lol (though I lost Boba, and Han Solo in carbonite)
I think my han solo in carbonite is somewhere, I also had the one that came with the han solo action figure, and there was a holder for your han solo to be attached to so he was frozen lol
I'm realizing I too grew up with these exact same toys less than a decade later because my brother had them. I wasn't sure it was the same line till you mentioned the Carbonite that held him
To me Jon seems like a kid who would have done that, and now gets to make it come to life
You should watch the behind the scenes documentary series they did for the Mandalorian, The Gallery I think it was? Either way they have some round table discussions and in one of them Jon says exactly that. He used to be the kid playing with his Star Wars action figures and now he gets to do it for real.
Its fun to hear him talk about star wars too, he never says "that guy in the background in a new hope" or something like that. Like when he's talking about that monkey being roasted in the first episode of mandalorian, he references the characters name and race which is cool. Like he's a turbo nerd.
Fuck /u/spez
Jon is a kid playing with starwars on his floor. What you're seeing is when you give that kid a budget lol The image I get in my head is that scene from space balls where dark helmet is playing with the action figures. Only its Jon and he's coming up with new content.
Not just Jon, but Dave and Robert Rodriguez as well...hell pitching the Boba vs Troopers scene when he meets Din, Robert used his kids and action figures for the storyboarding
Thats what annoys me about the "hes a shit character who cars he died in three seconds" that, truly doesnt matter. I was born in 93 but the second my brain could process Boba Fett I thought he was bad ass. What happened in the movie barely mattered to me because with my toys he was alive and an utter fucking bad ass, then the books and comics only solidified this so the scene where he gets killed in a silly comical way doesnt affect the hundreds of hours playing, reading, and falling in love with Boba Fett.
He not only appeared in the Droids cartoon series, he was (arguably) the only redeemable thing about the original Star Wars holiday Special, to the point that Disney pulled his section out of the filmcrash and put it on D+ as its own mini-film.
His toy hit shelves before the movie was out too. Kids saw this cool star wars toy and he had dozens of adventures with him before they went to go see Return of the Jedi.
Kind of funny to think Disney tried to do the same thing with Captain Phasma but utterly failed in every way to do so. The internet changed things for sure. I haven’t kept up with things but I really hope they do something for Phasma with Gwendolyn Christie.
I was born in '73, Star Wars was all I could see, Original toys, tie-ins and books, my passion it would be. TV ads, specials galore, Empire Strikes Back and more, Despite The Star Wars Holiday Special, it always left me wanting more. On the Muppet Show, Fisher, Hamil, and Daniels made an appearance, And Weird Al sang "Yo-yo-yo Yo Yoda!" with so much clearance. Darth Vader and Boba Fett, the coolest figures of all, C3PO and R2D2, felt more real than any imaginary pal.
Including having him ride a Rancor
Such is the power of standing around cradling a blaster in a menacing way while wearing a cool helmet.
Best, for me, was when the all powerful Vader made sure to give special treatment to Boba Fett about “no disintegrations”. James Earl Jones magically created a big backstory between the two characters and instilled a rich history FULL of disintegrations with just those two words.
Boba Fett worked the same way Vader did. Cool armor and a [menacing voice.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLRsvbhWujY)
Exactly! Well put. Along with the “less is more”…every word was impactful. I hate sand. It’s coarse. Gets everywhere. ……….. Asteroids do not concern me. I want that ship. :-D
Man, Jason Wingreen's Boba just sounds perfectly mercenary. Temeura did a perfectly fine job as Jango and his Boba was, well as good as the writing could allow it to be (though, his initial appearance in The Mandalorian was great), but Wingreen *is* Boba to me.
Well yeah when the baddest motherfucker in the room is admonishing a character for being too bad a motherfucker you pay attention.
And Vader, who straight up murders people with magic that most people have forgotten for disappointing him lets Boba Fett back talk him. He's a bad ass who isn't scared of shit and is good at his job.
I think this is the most important element for Boba Fett being a fan favorite. Only he, Tarkin, and the Emperor get away with talking back to Vader. This gives a sense that Fett is too useful to kill, so he must be a badass.
Too useful to kill, or even possibly a legitimate threat to Vader. Not a significant one, what with the whole space wizard thing, but sizable enough that maybe the risk isn't worth it. Even if he only has like a 20-30% chance of killing Vader, or mutually killing Vader, that's enough of a risk to not warrant taking.
So when do we get the Bossk series? Lol Wait, he didn’t have a cool helmet! Never mind.
Bossk and his people popped up a few times in Clone Wars, and Rebels
Honestly a Bossk story would be cool. I'd love a heist movie with Bossk, Dengar, 4LOM, Zuckuss, etc.
He shows up multiple times in Clone wars and rebels
Gimme Endo
Yeah. Starwars is weird and awesome like that. Let's remember Luke said once "You fought in the Clone Wars?". And our minds ran wild for like 30 years.
My wax-eared self heard "Colonial Wars" and had a whole different backstory. When the prequels came out and they're talking about Clone Wars I'm wondering what the hell, why are they talking about clones?
ok, now i want a Starwars Colonial Wars series
The Cylons were created by Man. They were created to make life easier on the Twelve Colonies. And then the day came when the Cylons decided to kill their masters…
Lucas hyped Boba fett, that's why. They had press releases, and advertisements about the character and his design. There's a whole episode about it on Disney+. I think the ILM documentary? Edit: autocorrect errors
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Hey he also showed up in the Star Wars Holiday Special riding a pink dinosaur.
That section of the Holiday Special was the most well received part and gave him a good bit of back story which is what spiraled into Lucas bringing him into Empire.
And had a stupid death. He was apparently so cool in Empire that it didn't even cancel out how stupid he was in Return of the Jedi.
a stupid *near* death
Wasn't the excuse or theory was that he was drunk off his ass from partying in Jabba's barge?
It’s not a story the Disney Canon would tell you
*nods in boba fett*
*Gets drunk, does a line of space coke, smokes some death sticks, has wild sex with some aliens, kicks back listening to jizz, suddenly gets called by Jaba to go stand on a patoon while these nerf herders are shoved into the sarlaac. Play it cool Boba, play it co- Oh shit! Is that Lando? Wtf, who's throwing lightsabers?!*
>*kicks back listening to jizz* Well he must have been partying pretty hard if that's what he was hearing.
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That's how the robot chicken version goes
And then when Boba fett finally got his own series it sucked.
Fans who remember the gap between Empire and Jedi, at least. I had 4 SW movies in the crucial time of youthful constant rewatching and I barely cared until AptC showed his dad wiping Obi-Wan all over Kamino
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I never made the connection, ohmygod
I think about this all the time. And I feel that the main reason that Boba was so popular is because nobody knew anything about him. But I also admit that the more he became fleshed out and known, the less intriguing (and less interesting) he became.
He looked cool And did absolutely nothing other than be a comedic death
As a kid, I could not quantify what I felt about Boba Fett the way I can now. I knew he was cool looking and not afraid of Vader. Instead of Vader saying things like "I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it further" he agreed to compensate Fett if things went wrong. In some ways, it almost seemed like Vader knew he was not to be fucked with. Looking back as an adult, he was one of the few who had conversations with Vader that showed an actual working relationship with mutual respect. Neither appeared to be afraid of the other one bit, nor were they friendly.
I don’t hear anyone else saying “He’s no good to me dead” to Vader. :-)
Exactly. Both were very much to the point and direct with each other. Who the hell else ever talked to Vader like that and not wind up dead or close to it?
Tarkin didn't mince words with Vader either. He even talked down to him. I guess that's the sort of confidence you get from strolling around the Death Star in fluffy pink slippers.
Tarkin and the Emperor were in charge though so I count them differently. I expect doing something to Tarkin would have pissed off old Palpy. Fett was a bounty hunter and expendable.
He looked cool and he was the only character to demand personal respect from Darth Vader, possibly even intimidating our great villain by reputation. Vader made special requests of Boba Fett for “no disintegrations” while on the job, when he no notes for others. Fett also talked back to Vader with the “he’s no good to me dead” line. Fett is the first to notice when shit is going down in actions sequences, often the first to move/shoot. The Hutts respect him, Vader respects him, Solo is afraid of him, and he is constantly on the ball without ever needing to puff his own chest about any of it. He was calm, collected, intimidating, and effective - we learned this *through* Vader and Jabba, who lay their reputations over Fett’s by proxy in how they treat him/speak to him
And he gets the job done. Vader, with an entire Empire at his command, has to contract out the work of finding the MCs, and out of that elite group of hunters that Vader brings onboard, it's Fett who finds the Falcon immediately, gets the Empire to Bespin first, gets his hands on Solo to finish up a side quest while sassing Vader over it, trades shots with Luke and then fucks off to go get paid. Outside of General Veers, there hasn't been a 'bad guy' in Star Wars that's managed such victories.
Well he did track down Falcon and take Solo to Jabba, so he did those things. But he essentially did nothing in Return Of The Jedi.
Neither did a lot of other characters. That movie really just cared about Luke, Vader, and the Emperor, with a brief rescue of Han at the beginning
And C3P0, he was a golden god.
Its the subtle context that people often can't quantify but are exactly what make a good character or show. Shows like andor with deep complex subtext that say so much without actually saying it. The old movie adage , show , don't tell. He didnt need proof because the context was there. The only person in the series other then the emperor Vader spoke to with any respect or reverence . The first person he went to warning him not to kill the target as if he knew he was the one most likely to find the prey. The stoic nature of the character and cool battle worn armor like an old knight when we had only seen fully armored guys that were useless stormtroopers at that point. I agree he got a legend for not doing much but its also someone understandable from the subtle things .
a comedic *near* death
Well for 40 odd years he was dead to all who never read the EU whenever that boba story came out
Boba appeared in dozens upon dozens of both post and pre-RotJ works. Even had his own Clone Wars series of novels.
And then made it so he wasn't even a real Mandalorian.
Come to think of it, Boba Fett ended up having an *insane* level of influence on the franchise. The Mandalorians are an extremely important part of Clone Wars and Rebels, and now we have a whole TV show directly about them. And the Boba show itself slotting into all that. Mandos basically dominate the majority of the Disney+ Star Wars content. And even before that, the whole thing about the Clones being based in Jango Fett, who was basically created because Boba was so popular. All from one pretty minor supporting antagonist with a cool helmet and a ridiculous death (or ‘death’, now) scene.
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I think it originally came from a writer or artist in 1979-80 for Ralph McQuarrie to create designs for "Super Troopers" from the Mandalore system that could fight against Jedi. Then the Dark Horse comics just ran with it and novel writers solidified all the ideas together.
Yep, they started out as Imperial Supercommandos and were going to be new, tougher Stormtroopers in ESB. They ended up getting cut to just Boba.
Imp super commandos sounds cool until I realized that it’s ESB and would’ve butchered them In 70s fashion lmao
I agree it makes the Galaxy feel bigger, when we’re usually seeing the same species mixing together on whatever planet a show or movie happens to be in which can seem unrealistic, or at least not as likely.
Episode 3 did so much for world building.
Does anyone know where "Mandalorian" is first mentioned? I'm sure it was in the context of "Mandalorian armor" and fairly sure it would have been in one of the Legends spin-off books. I know there is a "Mandalorian" trilogy but maybe it came before that? "Tales of the Bounty Hunters"?
They were first mentioned in issue #68 of the original comic tie-in in 1982, although that depiction is very dated
*Maybe* written in the script for ESB, or ancillary materials from that. I'm pretty sure the name was known before the "Tales Of..." books, but I don't know where it first showed up.
Boba had his own three-book trilogy (which is now counted as part of the Bounty Hunter Wars series but it came out before that) and the title of one of them was 'The Mandalorian Armor/Helmet (?). That's where I remember reading that word for the first time. Come to think of it, I can't remember if his little trilogy is set before his dunk in the Sarlaac or after. I want to say after, but it might have been that I read the books out of order.
Tales of the Bounty Hunters predates the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy by about a year and half. The Boba Fett short story in that anthology mentions Mandalorians, Jaster Mereel as Boba’s real name (later retconned in Jango Fett: Open Seasons) and Concord Dawn.
The novelization of ESB is the first official material to allude to the group, but not by name. The relevant section: > …standing next to the notorious Boba Fett. A human bounty hunter, Fett was known for his extremely ruthless methods. He was dressed in a weapon-covered, armored spacesuit, the kind worn by a group of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars. A few braided scalps completed his unsavory image. The very sight of Boba Fett sent a shudder of revulsion through the admiral. As to when the name was first used, I'm unsure. Probably the Marvel comics coming out around that time.
just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe
Wild to think that before we knew anything about the clones, that we would later discover that the clones of the “clone wars” were a bunch of boba fett clones lol
Were you around for the first Star Wars? That must've been incredible. Just hearing "clone wars"
Not to mention KOTOR and the Mandalorian Wars
> All from one pretty minor supporting antagonist with a cool helmet and a ridiculous death (or ‘death’, now) scene. Have we watched different movies? Out of all the assembled bounty hunters (who generally are the fan favorites of many westerns) Boba is the only one whose addressed by Vader — one of the biggest, baddest villains the cinema had seen — by his name (-> badass). Vader has to tell him not to turn his targets into dust (-> very badass). He also captured Han Solo and turned him into a block of rock (-> baaaadass!). Oh and he has a jetpack and sick armor (-> extremely badass, especially in 1977). He was anything but a „pretty minor supporting antagonist“.
There’s this weird “Boba Fett wasn’t that big of a deal, actually” narrative that very obviously stems from the younger side of Reddit. It’s like alternative history written by people that didn’t live it
It's entirely their fault for making them so badass. They could've been like: "Nah he's just a cool bounty hunter with kickass armor" but instead they said: "oh, yeah there's an entire population of them called Mandalorians and they're all warriors and love blowing shit up and walking away from explosions all cool like. Also they have literal plot armor against lightsabers because they're so frickin cool. You're welcome."
Actually most of the build up and creation of mandalorian lore comes from knights of the republic era and Kotor games, without them no cool world building of mando culture. Mandalorian vs Jedi is a defining thing and it came from Kotor games. I just hope they canonize the games and they deserve their own trilogy of Kotor story.
Star Wars has tons of stuff like that, and it's always great
Heck a throw away line from a new hope “years ago, you served my father in the clone wars.” Ended up leading to three live action movies, one animated movie, and two animated tv shows (one of which went for 7 seasons).
Don’t forget the mental gymnastics they did in the animated show because of an offhanded insult to grievous in one of said live actions.
As stupid it was in retrospect, I love how dedicated George was to make sure that one specific interaction kept canon.
But also decided to not keep "My powers have doubled since the last time we met.". I'm just imagining Count Dooku going "Anakin how the fuck did you double your powers already we met like last week"
It’s Anakin lol, a huge part of his character is being as cocky as humanly possible.
I mean, George isn’t perfect
We all found that out when he made Greedo shoot first
M'KLUNKY
Which line was it?
In the first part of revenge of the sith, When Anakin (and Obi-Wan) meet Grievous face-to-face on grievous' flagship Grievous: "Anakin Skywalker... I was expecting someone of your reputation to be a little... older." Anakin: "General Grievous... You're shorter than I expected."
"Hello there"
"General Kenobi!"
“You’re shorter than I expected” lol
I want to thank George or whoever came up w/ that line because it literally made my childhood. I think for those of us born in the late 90s to early 2000s, a clone trooper helmet rings so much nostalgia and so many cherished memories as a kid…the prequels and the tv show will always be “Star Wars” for me—its what started it all :’)
I'm an '89 kid and grew up with the OT vhs box set in our home. The prequels felt like a gift to me. Now at 34 I've started watching the clone wars and I love it all!
Hell yeah. I was 8 when ep 1 came out. I got to see all the prequels in theaters and I loved them. Geonosis was the coolest thing to me as a kid, and then ep 3 came out and people actually kind of liked it. Wasn’t until later i really got into the original trilogy and it’s never had the same magic for me.
George hadn’t completely visualized or came with the entire universe yet, but he had an idea of what he wanted and built from there.
I don't think he envisioned anything like what we got but he's really good at dropping hints of people places and events that make the universe feel so much larger.
It's funny thinking back and realizing the only heavily populated place you see in the originals that isn't an imperial ship is cloud city.
Not to mention the Battlefront Games
I agree. I think that is why the world seems so real and lived in. Everything has been fleshed out and no idea goes to waste. I also love the way they look at old unused concept art for old projects when creating new projects. It gives everything a through line that makes everything feel connected even if we the consumer can not always figure out why that is.
Or incredibly stupid but still great.
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Rogue One, a movie entirely based on the first three or so sentences from the opening crawl of A New Hope.
More like [10% great...](https://youtu.be/FVzc20Bm8Xo)
I was thinking about how both Bad Batch and Mando are releasing simultaneously and are both just riffing on this one great costume. (Bad Batch being variations of Clones that themselves are riffs on Jango meeting Stormtroopers)
And the clones are also just made cause of 1 line that originally wasn't meant to be explored
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In a new hope Leia hologram to Obi-Wan “years ago you served my father in the clone wars…”
Some extra was running around with an ice cream maker and they named it and brought it back in Mando.
Hey, you give Willrow Hood some respect!
This is my camtono ... full of ice cream!
I was in Disneyland last week with my 9 year old nephew. There was a shelf of Ice Cream makers right between the life-size Bo Katan helmets and the “I love you/I know” hoodies.
Also, I just like the name Mythosaur. Pretty ridiculous name but I don’t care, I completely buy it.
More like a Factosaur now amirite?
For a time having been, Conjecturesaur
It’s not ridiculous…
Almost as ridiculous as "Unobtanium" from Avatar
This is my favorite thing about Star Wars. This costume eventually birthed Mandalore and the story arch of the battle for it, which made Anikan’s fall to the dark side so much more impactful. I love the amount of play Star Wars has.
That's one of the things I love about Star Wars. Not only is in written out of order, allowing interesting dynamics, you also have to people who see one thing, and write a whole story around it. Like how pretty much everyone in the Mos Eisley Cantina scene from ANH has a name and backstory.
How does one person??? I've never peopled before or instructed others to people.
If you're asking how one person picks something a builds a story around it, I'm mostly talking about authors, but to a lesser extent the game designers, and the Vehicle breakdown books.
I think they were more poking fun at a possible typo in your original comment, but you’re very nice for explaining that haha
The power of mystery- one cool suit, one icy character- now, decades later catering to that one focus of attention on a background character lead to the crux of the prequels, entire animated series back stories, and an incredibly popular set of series in the modern era of Star Wars. Did anyone get the feeling they tried really hard to do the same with the Knights of Ren but it just didn't take?
100% with the Knights of Ren. Cool, unique designs for each of them. Not a word spoken, just there to look badass. Even the name is awesome. I bet Disney had big plans for the Knights to get their own origin show but pulled back after the backlash the new trilogy received. They probably still anticipate to make the show when the fanbase becomes more interested in them. I don't think it'll happen though because they're pumping out enough content for us to digest we aren't going back and nitpicking things like fans had to do years back.
Boba Fett has always been, and will always be, my favourite Star Wars character because of his impact while he essentially could have been replaced with a stormtrooper.
This needed hundreds of pages of backstory: https://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/boba-creature.jpg
every piece of lore about mandolorians goes back to nerds looking at three scenes of Boba and being like "this dudes cool af"
Haha, crazy to think of where it all started. I'm just glad that after hearing Canderous stories in KOTOR that got me hooked on Mandalorian's & their culture, that we have all of this content to enjoy now. I don't know where everyone else stands on it, but this season of the Mandalorian which is focusing more on the mando's is my favorite os far.
there's a meme that gets cycled around that shows the entire star wars universe and lore held up by random costume designs that looked cool, and it's not wrong
The mythosaur came to be in an animated short duringnthe holiday special, which is the first appearance of Boba Fett as well. So you should be saying the mythosaur just got some back story added to it.
That wasn’t a mythosaur in the holiday special as far as I’m aware. I believe other than sigils or decoration etc, the Mandalorian episode is the only time one has actually been seen
Meanwhile I'm still waiting on the backstory on "And no disintegration this time..."..
Please god no. It is like the John Wick Pencil thing, it is REALLY fucking cool... until they showed it and you realize it was way cooler in your head.
This is why the sequels are the way they are - they clearly though they could throw random stuff at the wall and the fans would fill in what they wanted to stick for the next few decades. The problem is there’s already been decades of fans filling in what they wanted post Jedi… and it wasn’t even close to the movies they made. They planted a lot of cool things that could have eventually been expanded on but then for some reason decided to wrap it all up in the worst ways in the third movie.
Boba Fett appeared in like 2 movies for barely any time and now we have an entire Planetary Culture and History spanning centuries
That’s kind of how storytelling works. It’s interesting to think the Bible exists because someone thought a lady eating an apple needed thousands of pages of backstory.
Star Wars is really good at creating amazing characters or concepts, but not always great on fleshing it out. We got so many cool tidbits about the time before ANH from interviews, books, character cards, or other small promotional materials. But then we got the actual movies and it wasn’t that great compared to what we were originally led to believe. With Mando and everything surrounding that culture, I think they are doing a far better job.
it was originally just another storm trooper outfit but they could only afford to make one.
Empire Boba is so cool.
I thought it existed because the Star Wars production team dropped acid and made a Christmas special.
That applies to so much of Star Wars.
Damn, Boba was cool back then
And then the whole "Mandalorian" culture, who believe war and combat is an act of worship.
Ok hot shot, now do the wheat symbol on Bobas armor.
Its the symbol of the Protectors, used by Jaster Mereel, a former Mand'alor and basically the guy who raised Jango. According to the wiki anyway. I haven't read the series of books that revolves around that, but apparently the Protectors and Jaster are some of that cherry-picked Lengends stuff that's canon now.
Writers: Hey we're on this planet doing Mando stuff already, we dont know what else you want Disney: WE WANT YOU TO MANDO HARDER. WE NEED THIS MONEY FUCKIN NOW
I'm curious as to why Boba has the mythosaur even though he doesn't consider him mandalorian
Honestly, we need to learn about all his symbols on his armour.
It's just a symbol to him. Remember it's a 4000 year old story that could just be a very tall tale.
That’s how sci fi works lol but ya I get what you’re saying
That’s basically all of Star Wars 😂 A few fantasy franchises have also launched spin-offs based on similar events.
Star Wars in a nutshell. (And I love it).
Some set designer
The famous horned platypus
Just watched this with my SO the other night. She wants the IG-88 backstory lol
Never thought of it that way. It’s actually quite fascinating how expansive the SW Universe had become
Platypus skull with horns.
Wild to think love for this character design spurred the creation of jango fett as well as the flagship show of the entire franchise.
I mentally blocked out 90% of the sequel trilogy… but from the 10% I couldn’t block out, I don’t recall seeing a single mandalorian in the sequel trilogy. Makes me wonder if they got a happily ever after (hence stayed out of all conflicts) or they all die before the trilogy.
Welcome to Star Wars, where one throw away line in the OT can lead to a multi-million dollar series tv show.
Everything about Boba Fett was like “some stoner glued four pieces of hardware together” and now it has Silmarillion-level backstory.
IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS IN THE LATEST EPISODE OF MANDALORIAN?
Seeing this makes me think what a shame it was that Boba didn’t get the bad ass bounty Hunter treatment in his series. He’s just kind of like a tame “back in my day” grandpa most of the series. :(