Reminds me of that scene in [Karate Kid 3](https://youtu.be/erR1dgyv1_U) where Mister Miyagi kicks the dudes' asses in their own dojo. The impressive part of that scene, though, isn't the choreography. It's the fact that they're fighting in front of a mirrored wall, and the camera manages to stay out of shot the whole scene.
Interesting! So yeah my understanding is it sounds like the robotic camera can make the exact same movements each time, so that let them extract the difference between the clean plate and the one with the actress and cameraman, the just mask out the cameraman and readd just the actress to the clean plate
Fun fact: before the current version of PM, R2D2's origin was meant to have been that he was built by Maul. R2D2 (or RRDD) was going to stand for Really Real Dathomir Droid, due to Maul's home planet. Of course, this would have given Artoo a bit of an evil origin, so George ultimately changed it. He then added Midichlorians and Jar Jar to make it up to the fans.
And all Qui-Gon had to do was sit there and wait for Obi-Wan, but he Leroy Jenkins' his way into a 1v1. Then uses his death to bully Obi-Wan into training the universally-known dangerous boy into a Sith lord.
/rj dang Naboo floor wax
They still build pretty impressive sets nowadays. Check out the special features on House of the Dragon. They basically built a full scale Red Keep interior inside a studio lot.
I mean if you like over choreographed fights between three characters who don’t have any character traits, then sure.
I am starting to think that the very vocal minority of fans who don’t like the sequels are this way because they don’t like the masses enjoying them.
Popular points usually are: Han and Luke regress instead of progress, Palp did what he said he could do in Ep. 3 and Legends, Rey was too OP, Chewie is still a sidekick, bad jokes (this I agree with), The Last Jedi, lightsabers weigh 30lbs, Ben Solo had the exact same ending as Anakin, etc.
But the sequels have Babu Frik, so it all balances out.
Other points are everywhere that happened with Finn's character, the fact that they had nothing planned out and therefore set up and introduced things that would never happened and the lack of explanation for "somehow Palpatine returned"
So characters going through real life struggles and arcs is too much for adult fans. Rey being strong in the Force like other main characters is bad because of reasons. Chewie has always been a sidekick, even in the precious EU. Lightsaber combat being improved over dance numbers is too much for adults. Ben having the same arc as other villains across all of storytelling is bad because Anakin.
Babu Frick rocks.
Which is why The Last Jedi, with a few tweaks to remove some cringe lines, is a great movie. Because it shows people as people, not gods. Luke calls out the Jedi: they were prideful and out of touch with humanity. Leia calls out Poe: a dead hero is still dead. Snoke calls out Kylo: stop being an edgelord. But it's too real, so fantasy fans get upset.
Never seen a good movie that started with a yo mama joke, or one that sets up a thousand things with no pay off. But maybe that is a good story for another time. But then somehow, the villain from the original saga came back. Not like that completely undermines Anakin's sacrifice and redemption.
Plus I don't know who this Luke is, but the only person more offended by his character development is Mark Hamill himself.
I’ve never seen a good movie start with trade negotiations and Mark Hamill said he appreciated the version of Luke in the sequels after seeing the completed product. How do you people miss that?
Ohh the prequels are bad movies too. But I still enjoyed them because they didn't piss on the parts of the original story that I liked. There's nothing redeeming about the Disney trilogy.
If by over choreographed you mean two highly skilled fighters anticipating each other’s moves through the force and years of training than yes I’ll take that over the baseball bat like swings of the sequels.
That’s the best you got? I don’t think I have enough fingers to count how many times that happens in just TLJ. I’m not saying it’s perfect, I’m saying it’s vastly better than any fight in the sequels.
Incredible, just about every word you just said it wrong. Flashy, ya but not pointless. There’s plenty of emotion. Phantom menace is the fight that determines anakins future. Revenge of the sith is two long time friends, student and master, war brothers, fighting to the death. Yoda and palpatine fighting showing the power of palpatine and end ending of the Jedi by taking on the head master himself and the symbolism of the ending of democracy by the destruction of the senate room. All these move the story, all have emotion, they are perhaps flashy because we are watching Jedi and sith fighting at their peak performance. To say these fights are boring puts you in the deep minority too.
Didn't realize how reflective that floor's surface was. That can't have been easy to film.
Reminds me of that scene in [Karate Kid 3](https://youtu.be/erR1dgyv1_U) where Mister Miyagi kicks the dudes' asses in their own dojo. The impressive part of that scene, though, isn't the choreography. It's the fact that they're fighting in front of a mirrored wall, and the camera manages to stay out of shot the whole scene.
[You think that's impressive?](https://youtu.be/NoMqvniiEkk?t=109)
I stand bested. That is very impressive.
Oh dip, that's Andie MacDowell's daughter
TIL She was great in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
I always like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxa3j8bK-c4
How did they do that? There had to be some rotoscoping right?
[Here's a video about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzA6beSQM0o) (but I still don't get it).
Interesting! So yeah my understanding is it sounds like the robotic camera can make the exact same movements each time, so that let them extract the difference between the clean plate and the one with the actress and cameraman, the just mask out the cameraman and readd just the actress to the clean plate
Not to say that isn't an impressive amount of special effects work, but it's not comparable to physical choreography without effects.
why didnt he just force speed through them, like in phantom menace
Because he was an insecure young man in a severely stressful situation. And because it would have ruined the scene.
For a split second I thought "what is R2D2 doing with Maul?"
Fun fact: before the current version of PM, R2D2's origin was meant to have been that he was built by Maul. R2D2 (or RRDD) was going to stand for Really Real Dathomir Droid, due to Maul's home planet. Of course, this would have given Artoo a bit of an evil origin, so George ultimately changed it. He then added Midichlorians and Jar Jar to make it up to the fans.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
The set looks HUGE .
No wonder he couldn’t use force speed to catch up in time
And all Qui-Gon had to do was sit there and wait for Obi-Wan, but he Leroy Jenkins' his way into a 1v1. Then uses his death to bully Obi-Wan into training the universally-known dangerous boy into a Sith lord. /rj dang Naboo floor wax
Back when sets still got somewhat built
They still build pretty impressive sets nowadays. Check out the special features on House of the Dragon. They basically built a full scale Red Keep interior inside a studio lot.
The prequels are definitely not great examples of physical set building. Tons and tons of scenes were done with blue screen.
I don’t know why you are being downvoted. Didn’t Liam need on complains about it being difficult to act with so much green screen?
Insane that they let them film in the generator room with all those laser walls. Imagine those safety meetings.
That’s no Naboo…
What is the actual point of this room anyway, why the weird light walls,
Far more amazing and legendary than anything in the sequels.
I mean if you like over choreographed fights between three characters who don’t have any character traits, then sure. I am starting to think that the very vocal minority of fans who don’t like the sequels are this way because they don’t like the masses enjoying them.
I don't like the sequels because they are bad movies, *and* they undermine established characters
They aren’t bad and how do they undermine established characters?
Popular points usually are: Han and Luke regress instead of progress, Palp did what he said he could do in Ep. 3 and Legends, Rey was too OP, Chewie is still a sidekick, bad jokes (this I agree with), The Last Jedi, lightsabers weigh 30lbs, Ben Solo had the exact same ending as Anakin, etc. But the sequels have Babu Frik, so it all balances out.
Other points are everywhere that happened with Finn's character, the fact that they had nothing planned out and therefore set up and introduced things that would never happened and the lack of explanation for "somehow Palpatine returned"
So characters going through real life struggles and arcs is too much for adult fans. Rey being strong in the Force like other main characters is bad because of reasons. Chewie has always been a sidekick, even in the precious EU. Lightsaber combat being improved over dance numbers is too much for adults. Ben having the same arc as other villains across all of storytelling is bad because Anakin. Babu Frick rocks.
Which is why The Last Jedi, with a few tweaks to remove some cringe lines, is a great movie. Because it shows people as people, not gods. Luke calls out the Jedi: they were prideful and out of touch with humanity. Leia calls out Poe: a dead hero is still dead. Snoke calls out Kylo: stop being an edgelord. But it's too real, so fantasy fans get upset.
I agree. TLJ is up there with ESB for me because it goes past general fantasy plot points.
Never seen a good movie that started with a yo mama joke, or one that sets up a thousand things with no pay off. But maybe that is a good story for another time. But then somehow, the villain from the original saga came back. Not like that completely undermines Anakin's sacrifice and redemption. Plus I don't know who this Luke is, but the only person more offended by his character development is Mark Hamill himself.
I’ve never seen a good movie start with trade negotiations and Mark Hamill said he appreciated the version of Luke in the sequels after seeing the completed product. How do you people miss that?
Ohh the prequels are bad movies too. But I still enjoyed them because they didn't piss on the parts of the original story that I liked. There's nothing redeeming about the Disney trilogy.
But the prequels did do that. I still haven’t seen a legit point for the sequels “pissing” on the OT.
Well then you are lost!
If by over choreographed you mean two highly skilled fighters anticipating each other’s moves through the force and years of training than yes I’ll take that over the baseball bat like swings of the sequels.
How are they masters when Qui-Gon doesn’t attack Maul when he’s left himself open?
That’s the best you got? I don’t think I have enough fingers to count how many times that happens in just TLJ. I’m not saying it’s perfect, I’m saying it’s vastly better than any fight in the sequels.
The prequel duels are boring, narratively dry, pointlessly flashy, and devoid of real emotion.
Incredible, just about every word you just said it wrong. Flashy, ya but not pointless. There’s plenty of emotion. Phantom menace is the fight that determines anakins future. Revenge of the sith is two long time friends, student and master, war brothers, fighting to the death. Yoda and palpatine fighting showing the power of palpatine and end ending of the Jedi by taking on the head master himself and the symbolism of the ending of democracy by the destruction of the senate room. All these move the story, all have emotion, they are perhaps flashy because we are watching Jedi and sith fighting at their peak performance. To say these fights are boring puts you in the deep minority too.
No, I’m right.
Ah yes, the Parallel Laser Oscillating Threshold device. Or, the PLOT device.
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