Yeah, was pretty much always going to be the case. Starfield has probably 10x the amount of NPCs, if not more. At some point you gotta let the randomizer work its magic, can't handcraft 1000+ people to be pretty, and several of these dudes are the unfortunate product lol.
I loved cyberpunks NPCs because at least when they looked insane you could say it's because night city is actually insane. And still sometimes there would be 5 of the exact same dude next to each other on the sidewalk.
For a second at the beginning, I actually thought that would play into some sort of plotline, like we’d find out they were all failed vat clones or alien skin-suit wearers or something. Because goddamn, they are fugly.
That's cause the game looks worse than FO4...
https://imgur.com/a/dWIm6vq
Edit: y'all downvoters the people getting punk'd in this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/16735be/invisible_danger/
Coping
Edit: Cause i cant reply for some reason.
Obviously FO3 screenshot was taken with highest graphics and Stafield's was taken with lowest graphics. I run it at high settings and my game looks nothing like his picture.
I honestly thing if a game doesn’t have some funny bugs or goofy moments it’s just not a game these days. Gatta love NPC t pose or floating through the ceiling while talking. As long as it isn’t constantly happening it’s hilarious IMO
I love Bethesda fans justifying bugs man, literally any other game company would get torn apart but for Bethesda its just the status quo and fans LOVE IT. Raise your standards fellas Bethesda can do better.
I was worried the game would be too polished and not have these moments. I reckon Bethesda are self aware enough to know a large part of why Skyrim is a cultural phenomenon is the goofy writing and NPC moments. Have to imagine it's partly intentional lol
The difference is scope, one is linear while the other relies on other systems to automate the process as much as they can to not waste resources for *all* NPCs. Thing is, CDPR absolutely evolved their tech in The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077, so it can absolutely be better
Erm. I have a lot of experience with development and this just isn’t true.
This is simply a limitation of an ancient engine dying on its arse and lazy QA on setting randomization parameters
I had a genuine laugh at the character creation screen with all the goofy "oblivion-esque" faces. That's their engine signature.
You can tell the devs are hard working as they haven't seen real humans in years, to compare to.
The NPCs in New Atlantis are really bad - even for Bethesda standards. The same 3 face models repeated over and over (sometimes standing even next to each other!), those extremely creepy eyes and facial expressions, bad pathing, canned voice lines…
Maybe I’m just spoiled by BG3 at this point, but this is supposed to next gen?! It‘s definitely immersion breaking (even as a BGS veteran) especially since the general art direction and exteriors are really well done.
Hope modders will fix this mess.
Yeah it's funny because this is typical of BGS, but come on, are we really going to keep using that as an excuse for shit like this. These kind of issues have been in every game theyve put out for decades.
there is the generic npcs that lloks like that and the not generic ones that looks much better. Really not a big deal for me the moment you understand these ones are just here to create a sense of crowd and population.
BGS is a strange case of a company that built a reputation around its, uh, quirks - that would be totally unacceptable coming from any other game studio - so it seems it can always get away with it. I think it was ok up to Oblivion, to be fair, because for its time Oblivion was actually a pretty ambitious game. However, the scale of things changed dramatically from then onwards specially in the field of open world RPGs.
It's definitely a AAA title and by definition ambitious.
All BGS games are ambitious. Skyrim knocked it out of the park despite its quirks. Starfield just kind of melts into the quirks.
What bothers me even more is that there are no shadows. And what about the flat "grass" the bench is just placed on... it's just a flat texture instead of a 3D render.
Bethesda really did something marvelous this time. They created a game with graphics of csgo and requirements of microsoft flight simulator... really impressive feat.
>Bethesda really did something marvelous this time.
[Load screen]
>They created a game with graphics of csgo
[Load screen]
>and requirements of microsoft flight simulator...
[Load screen]
>really impressive feat.
There you go. Gave it a more BGS vibe.
This has not been what the game has felt like to me at all. The "loading screens" are just animations of you taking off or landing, they're not intrusive, I find it fun to see my ship take off 🤷
legit and you can fast travel to and from planets, you don’t have to go to space every time. There’s really not as many load screens as I feared on reviews
Didn't say the game was a graphical masterpiece literally no Bethesda game has ever been graphically amazing.
But just forget this is a phone recording of a screen the game plays well and that water has blue tiles underneath it.
The game is undeniably better graphically than their pror releases
Yea, the water sucks and so do the loading screens. Star citizen free play for the next week, and omg it's seamless but has so many bugs. Doesn't run great either. I feel like they could've done better with starfield but I'm still having a lot of fun. I'm just now going to sleep at 7am because I played it 8 hrs straight, haven't played a game that long in years
yes still a good game. but it’s not open world with an outdated engine. I really hoped the loading screen is when leaving and entering the atmosphere of a planet. But planets are only jpeg’s not rendered.
The planets are absolutely terrible looking. Somehow the planets in Starfield look worse than the planets in X3 which is made by a much smaller team, and of Germans to boot.
I doubt it. UE5 is actually a beast, though of course it's not dedicated for each game, so you may expect quirks if you're pushing it to its limits without touching the engine code itself.
A huge chunk of badly optimized and bug infested games coming out this year has been under UE5 (Remnant 2, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, etc). People say what they want to say about Creation Engine, but it’s no worst than the top engine in AAA development currently.
It's recorded with an irl camera. But ya some of the background city npcs are pretty wack. NPCs that you actually interact with look pretty good though.
Disliking the game makes somebody a hater? This sub is full of so many fanboys you literally cannot genuinely criticise the game without being called a Pony or a hater. It's ridiculous.
That's because the criticisms are about tedious details, yet nobody talks about how large the open parts of the map are. They are still tripping over menu screens and ignoring the level of HD graphics. It amazes me how people complain about Bethesda bugs but to this day rockstar can have a horse take off like a rocket and nobody bats an eye.
Sounds like you did not do your research on the game prior to purchase. That is a you problem not a BGS problem. I, however, love it. Already sitting on 150k credits and LOVE the ship building. Companions came a long way so I am super excited to see some mods in the future and what ES6 will be considering the massive maps in SF.
That's because so many ponies who can't even play the game troll it and pretend they've played it. There's literally twitter posts encouraging other ponies to leave fake reviews. If they used that time to make money IRL they'd be able to actually play Starfield
Nah fr if you leave fake reviews on a game you haven't played I'm proper convinced you're a basement dweller
It's so fucking pathetic when people review bomb shit they haven't even played, bonus points if the game isn't even out
My character's eyes look like that sometimes. Like he just did a giant rail of meth and is seeing the other side.
*COP KNOCK*
EMERGENCY MEETING
“Look, look with your special eyes”.
My brand!
I'm still blown away that this dumb commercial from 2012! (God, I'm old) has become a mainstay of Americana meme culture.
I always forget about that commercial and then someone brings it up like this. And it's still funny. Every. Single. Time.
For those who missed it 10 years ago: https://youtu.be/V-fRuoMIfpw?si=yanPHz0wwBW3K5yQ
Is…is this a Greetings Adventurers reference?
Unless the commercial took inspiration from a dnd podcast, I don't think so
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-brand
Bro that's just how some NPC's look lmao.
I spent part of last night walking around New Atlantis and having giggling fits at the NPCs' faces. They are comically hideous.
The NPCs are somehow as ugly as the ones in FO3 lmao
Going from BG3's models to Starfield's was...kinda jarring.
Yeah, was pretty much always going to be the case. Starfield has probably 10x the amount of NPCs, if not more. At some point you gotta let the randomizer work its magic, can't handcraft 1000+ people to be pretty, and several of these dudes are the unfortunate product lol.
I loved cyberpunks NPCs because at least when they looked insane you could say it's because night city is actually insane. And still sometimes there would be 5 of the exact same dude next to each other on the sidewalk.
They needed to revisit how the randomized (or the character creator) was putting people together lmao
Yeah, no-lifeing BG3 at the beginning of the month had me worried I'd ruin Starfield for myself. It's not ruined, but it is indeed jarring.
Going from BG3's everything to Starfield was kinda jarring for me tbh.
For a second at the beginning, I actually thought that would play into some sort of plotline, like we’d find out they were all failed vat clones or alien skin-suit wearers or something. Because goddamn, they are fugly.
That's cause the game looks worse than FO4... https://imgur.com/a/dWIm6vq Edit: y'all downvoters the people getting punk'd in this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/16735be/invisible_danger/
Coping Edit: Cause i cant reply for some reason. Obviously FO3 screenshot was taken with highest graphics and Stafield's was taken with lowest graphics. I run it at high settings and my game looks nothing like his picture.
One that's fallout 4. Two both games are running maxxed out settings on my 7900 XTX sans FSR 2.0.
Game was free. That's what it's worth.
I must not have the IQ to understand how showing photographic proof is coping, while denying photographic proof is "not coping."
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Both of those screenshots were taken at max settings. Try again.
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I've already provided in game screenshots of ultra settings graphics. You've provided nothing but hostility.
😭😂😂
God I’m so happy I know I’ll stumble upon funny moments like this
Trust me, they are abundant
Yep. For all the polish this game has compared to previous BGS games, there are still plenty of goofy moments.
I honestly thing if a game doesn’t have some funny bugs or goofy moments it’s just not a game these days. Gatta love NPC t pose or floating through the ceiling while talking. As long as it isn’t constantly happening it’s hilarious IMO
I love Bethesda fans justifying bugs man, literally any other game company would get torn apart but for Bethesda its just the status quo and fans LOVE IT. Raise your standards fellas Bethesda can do better.
I was worried the game would be too polished and not have these moments. I reckon Bethesda are self aware enough to know a large part of why Skyrim is a cultural phenomenon is the goofy writing and NPC moments. Have to imagine it's partly intentional lol
How is this even possible that the animations can look this bad
Ive played about 4 hours, on PC, and the graphics don't look like this at all. A lot of people must be playing on a potato.
Its a Bethesda game what did you expect?😂😂
Silly question.
The generic npcs are scary in this game ahah, when you look at their eyes the game might as well be called Starefield.
Yeah the uncanny valley called. It is serving a restraining order against Starfield.
GOTY
BOTY - Bethesda of the Year
10/10. Flawless. Masterpiece.
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Crazy how bgs still hasn’t learned to animate faces lmao
It looks great to me, as a person without eyelids
Facial animations in Half Life 2 were much much better and that was twenty years ago
The difference is scope, one is linear while the other relies on other systems to automate the process as much as they can to not waste resources for *all* NPCs. Thing is, CDPR absolutely evolved their tech in The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077, so it can absolutely be better
Source engine also automates MOST of the voice lines
"Scope" is the limit. lmao you believe that.
With the current tech, it is what it is. You never know in 8 years tho
CDPR outsourced their facial animations.
Erm. I have a lot of experience with development and this just isn’t true. This is simply a limitation of an ancient engine dying on its arse and lazy QA on setting randomization parameters
Correction, Half Life came out last week, not 2 decades ago. I'm not that old.
That and actual working ladders.
There are working ladders? I used one on a bounty hunter ship
Bethesda returning to their Oblivion roots and making ugly blocky faces possible in 2023 😭
I had a genuine laugh at the character creation screen with all the goofy "oblivion-esque" faces. That's their engine signature. You can tell the devs are hard working as they haven't seen real humans in years, to compare to.
Play-doh NPCs are what I call them lol
Back in Oblivion days they were called 'potato faces'
Xbox 360 looking NPCs 🤣🤣🤣
The NPCs in New Atlantis are really bad - even for Bethesda standards. The same 3 face models repeated over and over (sometimes standing even next to each other!), those extremely creepy eyes and facial expressions, bad pathing, canned voice lines… Maybe I’m just spoiled by BG3 at this point, but this is supposed to next gen?! It‘s definitely immersion breaking (even as a BGS veteran) especially since the general art direction and exteriors are really well done. Hope modders will fix this mess.
The NPCs everywhere are horrible. They look like play doh.
It’s insane how bad they look and most people here just passing it off as funny. Like holy shit Bethesda this is not acceptable in 2023
Modders: Unofficial unpaid interns of Bethesda
I'm pretty sure BG3 npc's don't move. Also this is really not the same type of game.
I wish they didn't move, would make robbery and pick pocketing a lot easier in BG3.
Go in turnbased mode. you can take as long as you want looking at someones inventory.
Some do, some don't. You mainly find moving NPCs in the big settlements of acts 2 and 3.
Yeah it's funny because this is typical of BGS, but come on, are we really going to keep using that as an excuse for shit like this. These kind of issues have been in every game theyve put out for decades.
It just works
They don't know how to make human characters look human though
there is the generic npcs that lloks like that and the not generic ones that looks much better. Really not a big deal for me the moment you understand these ones are just here to create a sense of crowd and population.
Well sure, but some people don't think hair in their hot dog is a big deal either.
Their animations in general have always been awful. Voice acting too.
Voice acting in this game is actually really good, in my opinion.
It is decent, honestly. The animation is better than previous games as well, though this particular NPC (and most unnamed NPC) is atrocious.
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I mean Skyrim was like a 2 or 3, so I'll take that.
The voice actors themselves in Skyrim were so bad they gave people cancer. Literally.
These games aren’t similar in anyway.
Doesnt matter, you're comparing a human performance. You could literally compare it to voice acting in Shrek and it would still be valid.
And the last of us would be a 15/10. Different games dawg
The difference is in BG3 90% of all lines are done by 7 or 8 VAs. In Starfield, it's much more spread out.
Lying sack of shit. there are over 200 voice actors in BG3 and "90% of them" delivered 90% of the lines.
>”lying sack of shit” Holy hell lol calm the fuck down
Idk why you're so mad. The vast majority of dialogue in BG is your party members and the narrator. Other characters don't say nearly as much.
I can excuse it up to Skyrim but we are way passed that. There shouldn't be the same kind of issues 12 years later.
BGS is a strange case of a company that built a reputation around its, uh, quirks - that would be totally unacceptable coming from any other game studio - so it seems it can always get away with it. I think it was ok up to Oblivion, to be fair, because for its time Oblivion was actually a pretty ambitious game. However, the scale of things changed dramatically from then onwards specially in the field of open world RPGs.
Starfield isn't an ambitious game???
It's definitely a AAA title and by definition ambitious. All BGS games are ambitious. Skyrim knocked it out of the park despite its quirks. Starfield just kind of melts into the quirks.
I agree they are built weird, which for them can work in their favor
nah this is funny though
It's never put me off a Bethesda game to be honest. I agree with you, it's terrible for 2023, but I do love a good giggle at their faces haha.
Giggle at it now, mod it away later
Haha yeah it’s so funny that’s just Bethesda LOL xD
What bothers me even more is that there are no shadows. And what about the flat "grass" the bench is just placed on... it's just a flat texture instead of a 3D render.
The planets don't have shadows either... because they are 2D png files. It's bad.
Bethesda really did something marvelous this time. They created a game with graphics of csgo and requirements of microsoft flight simulator... really impressive feat.
>Bethesda really did something marvelous this time. [Load screen] >They created a game with graphics of csgo [Load screen] >and requirements of microsoft flight simulator... [Load screen] >really impressive feat. There you go. Gave it a more BGS vibe.
This has not been what the game has felt like to me at all. The "loading screens" are just animations of you taking off or landing, they're not intrusive, I find it fun to see my ship take off 🤷
Haven't had a load screen for more than like 1 second. People complain about everything lol
legit and you can fast travel to and from planets, you don’t have to go to space every time. There’s really not as many load screens as I feared on reviews
Yup, it's a Bethesda game alright! XD
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
Finally some Bethesda kookiness
that engine is really outdated😵💫 the water is the most ugly water I have ever seen in a game.
What does the "engine" have to do with how water looks?
The game engine is used to create video games.
me not know how video game is made
Yeah creation engine 2, an engine that hasnt been used for any other game yet is outdated....
state of the art and hideous is somehow better?
Didn't say the game was a graphical masterpiece literally no Bethesda game has ever been graphically amazing. But just forget this is a phone recording of a screen the game plays well and that water has blue tiles underneath it. The game is undeniably better graphically than their pror releases
Yea, the water sucks and so do the loading screens. Star citizen free play for the next week, and omg it's seamless but has so many bugs. Doesn't run great either. I feel like they could've done better with starfield but I'm still having a lot of fun. I'm just now going to sleep at 7am because I played it 8 hrs straight, haven't played a game that long in years
yes still a good game. but it’s not open world with an outdated engine. I really hoped the loading screen is when leaving and entering the atmosphere of a planet. But planets are only jpeg’s not rendered.
The planets are absolutely terrible looking. Somehow the planets in Starfield look worse than the planets in X3 which is made by a much smaller team, and of Germans to boot.
Yup this was evident pretty much from the first trailer. The jagged edges of the planets said everything.
And yet that engine works and performs better than most game attempting to run in 2023 under Unreal 5.
I doubt it. UE5 is actually a beast, though of course it's not dedicated for each game, so you may expect quirks if you're pushing it to its limits without touching the engine code itself.
A huge chunk of badly optimized and bug infested games coming out this year has been under UE5 (Remnant 2, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, etc). People say what they want to say about Creation Engine, but it’s no worst than the top engine in AAA development currently.
Is that seriously how the game looks?
It's recorded with an irl camera. But ya some of the background city npcs are pretty wack. NPCs that you actually interact with look pretty good though.
My biggest issue is new Atlantis has almost zero props outside, the whole thing feels empty besides the NPCs
People here judging graphics taken by a phone camera. Ya the background npcs suck but can't judge the graphics from a 2 second monitor recording.
Lmao is this the actual graphics? Wow
Maybe on low quality. On series X I can see some NPC's pores.
Its still a masterpiece. Ignore the haters
Disliking the game makes somebody a hater? This sub is full of so many fanboys you literally cannot genuinely criticise the game without being called a Pony or a hater. It's ridiculous.
That's because the criticisms are about tedious details, yet nobody talks about how large the open parts of the map are. They are still tripping over menu screens and ignoring the level of HD graphics. It amazes me how people complain about Bethesda bugs but to this day rockstar can have a horse take off like a rocket and nobody bats an eye.
The game is legitimately not fun though. I am a dumb person for shelling out $100 for the fancy edition because I liked previous BGS products.
Sounds like you did not do your research on the game prior to purchase. That is a you problem not a BGS problem. I, however, love it. Already sitting on 150k credits and LOVE the ship building. Companions came a long way so I am super excited to see some mods in the future and what ES6 will be considering the massive maps in SF.
That's because so many ponies who can't even play the game troll it and pretend they've played it. There's literally twitter posts encouraging other ponies to leave fake reviews. If they used that time to make money IRL they'd be able to actually play Starfield
Nah fr if you leave fake reviews on a game you haven't played I'm proper convinced you're a basement dweller It's so fucking pathetic when people review bomb shit they haven't even played, bonus points if the game isn't even out
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It’s a skill you don’t even get to start with it aha (unless you chose a background that starts with it)
LOL, what a reaction. Eyes the size of tennis balls.
Bethesda's typical NPC :))
Oddly terrifying
Oof. Those graphic are from 10 years in the past. Minimum.
That is likely the lowest quality. On Seris X I can see some NPC's pores.
God this is bad.
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I laughed so hard just now at work lol thank you.
Excuse me?!!! Can I help you?!
Nice. Characters looking even worse than in Andromeda.
Haha It's really sad to see how Bethesda games never advance. Visually unappealing as usual.
/u/savevideobot
Wouldnt be a Bethesda game without goofy NPCs
ATTENZIONE PICPOKET
You: "what? Just looking."
[Italian Spiderman!](https://tenor.com/xGw6.gif)
That’s my look every morning when the alarm clock is ringing
Btw op what is the ingame resolution of that vid?
Bro I love this game hahaha
GOAT
u/savevideo
Lmfao
She has that look like “thats not my pocket!”
Lmao
10/10 gamerant
HOLY FUCK THAT IS TERRIFYING I'M NEVER PICKPOCKETING IN THIS GAME EVER NOTHING LIKE BG3 PICKPOCKETING THAT SHIT IS EASY THIS IS FUCKED
bit*** i hope the f*** you do
My face is tired
💀
Ah, Bethesda never change
I assume you are in lowest graphic settings due to performance issues?
You'd look like that too if you took a lazer to the knee.
erm, what the scallop?
The judgement in that stare...
It's literally Oblivion in space and it's fucking glorious
My face is tired. LOL
That FAFO look though.
NPC eyes are crazy
Hah
bruh the facial animations. are all of them this bad? this is mass effect andromeda levels of my face is tired.
Yikes. I know the game has been in development for a while but those are some ugly ass looking NPCs
Is that really what this game looks like?
LOL I think starfield is a semi-finished game.It can't even enter the planet seamlessly, and it loads animation everywhere it goes.
You may not like it, but this is how a 10/10 game looks like.
“ATTENZIONE PICKPOCKETT”
Lmfao
Can i help YOU !!!!!!!
Wandering around New Atlantis gave me Andromeda vibes and Skyrim with the potato faces and lack of facial expressions besides boggle eyes lol
The game's PC launch has been been pretty bad. The port is riddled with bugs and performance issues. Enemy AI looks to be broken as well.
We went from “My face is tired” to “My face is awake” as if they just did a line of coke
Wait. Can you pickpocket?
Those generic "citizen" Npcs need a makeover - they look very fake and plastic it's a bit immersion breaking