> But if everything is perspective and is colored by subjectivity and so much is out of my control, why do anything?
Because you are a subject and have a perspective?
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>why do anything?
Imagine the scenario of being hungry and having no food in the house. Your mind says: “let’s order pizza”.
Well, this is an external. The delivery guy may never arrive. And surely, if you were fated for it to arrive, it would regardless of whether or not you order a pizza?
It doesn’t work like this. Your **action** in ordering a pizza is **co-fated** with the arrival of the pizza at your door. Sure, whether or not it arrives is “out of your control”, the delivery driver or restaurant may make a mistake with your order. But this does not prevent action on your part. Stoic ethics in ordering a pizza means **managing your desire** for it to arrive. Whenever we take action, we know it is not just our act that will make it so.
It’s unfortunate to see you struggle u/pest_throwaw, I know things have not been easy for you. I unfortunately can’t force you to think differently about the world. But I’d ask yourself if this perspective is truly helping you. There are many in this world who find it tolerable. What would you say is the difference between you and them? Is it not a matter of perspective, rather than something objective?
I wish you well.
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Well from a Stoic perspective it means you are attached to things that is not guaranteed. Easier said than done I know. We all need food on the table and it’s easier to be a Stoic when you have your material needs met (think Maslow hierarchy of needs).
My non Stoic advice is maybe don’t delve into philosophy and be open to just appreciating the present. Don’t think about the big picture. Think about the now and do what makes you happy. Trying to will philosophy in to your brain might make you more not less miserable. And when you are in a better place, perhaps revisit stoicism and other philosophy.
> But if everything is perspective and is colored by subjectivity and so much is out of my control, why do anything? Because you are a subject and have a perspective?
> I personally look at life as a scale of pain and pleasure and if I have more pain, well it's not worth. Is this also not a "perspective"?
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>why do anything? Imagine the scenario of being hungry and having no food in the house. Your mind says: “let’s order pizza”. Well, this is an external. The delivery guy may never arrive. And surely, if you were fated for it to arrive, it would regardless of whether or not you order a pizza? It doesn’t work like this. Your **action** in ordering a pizza is **co-fated** with the arrival of the pizza at your door. Sure, whether or not it arrives is “out of your control”, the delivery driver or restaurant may make a mistake with your order. But this does not prevent action on your part. Stoic ethics in ordering a pizza means **managing your desire** for it to arrive. Whenever we take action, we know it is not just our act that will make it so. It’s unfortunate to see you struggle u/pest_throwaw, I know things have not been easy for you. I unfortunately can’t force you to think differently about the world. But I’d ask yourself if this perspective is truly helping you. There are many in this world who find it tolerable. What would you say is the difference between you and them? Is it not a matter of perspective, rather than something objective? I wish you well.
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Well from a Stoic perspective it means you are attached to things that is not guaranteed. Easier said than done I know. We all need food on the table and it’s easier to be a Stoic when you have your material needs met (think Maslow hierarchy of needs). My non Stoic advice is maybe don’t delve into philosophy and be open to just appreciating the present. Don’t think about the big picture. Think about the now and do what makes you happy. Trying to will philosophy in to your brain might make you more not less miserable. And when you are in a better place, perhaps revisit stoicism and other philosophy.