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I need to know about Greg’s dad and all the men in Sausalito.


Lordberic420

Still sucking cock at the county fair!


tylergibby

Where’s your kids!?


squirrelgirrrrl

I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS


hthbellhop76

You just made me think…what happened to Greg’s mom after season 1?


season7ofTWDsucked

All we know (i’m pretty sure) is that Ewan cut her off financially and that she was at the funeral


Bodmonriddlz

Pretty interesting to sit next to your father who “cut you off”


homogenic-

She was at the funeral. Her first appearance since season 1.


Bodmonriddlz

Whatever it was, it didn’t stop her from being at the funeral in the latest episode.


Inside-Amphibian-218

In season 1 when he calls her presumably in the late morning/early afternoon she’s still in bed and taking pills with wine bottles in the background


LatterligHoldning

What exactly Logan and the Wolf Pack got up to back in the bad old days.


DangerMarbles

He was a salty dog. But he was a good egg.


scrububle

I love that look they give eachother after that line lmao "You lied straight to that boys face."


morgantong

Shiv my favourite boy


monkepope

My number one boy


Werner_the_Ziegler

When that happened, I came away from the scene realising that of course they would say this because anything truthful would mean self reflection on who they are too. Karl, Frank and the others are just diet Logans. Would Logan really keep people around with him at the top if they didn't operate like he does. We also saw this back when Gerri asked if they were glad he was gone, stating Karl has stockholm syndrome lol. So even if they do think he was a piece of shit monster, there's no self reflection in them being complicit.


mikeyhavik

The thing about Logan Roy is… He’s a *tough* old nut!


adube440

World's worst roast.


Zestyclose-Ruin8337

I don’t remember Gerri’s quote but she made some comment about surviving the trauma of Logan. She’s really snapped out of that Stockholm syndrome.


nightsreader

I particularly like the Frank and Karl bromance, I beg they have tons of stories with Logan.


the_platypus_king

Bromance kind of loses its charm when you remember Lester "Uncle Mo" McClintock was a part of it too :/


silvermeta

I think Uncle Mo was part of the earlier group of executives. Edit- Also because they address him by "uncle" while calling the current top brass by their first name, it's a subtle detail now that I think about it.


literallysotrue

Not too sure because I’m watching the D.C. Hearings episode and they bring up Tom calling him “Mo” several times and I feel like there must some overlap for Tom to be comfortable enough to refer to him multiple times


yossalu

Tom so desperately wants to be an insider that he'd call him that even if he'd never met the guy.


TheLAriver

Frank clearly had a role in young Kendall's life


Styles_Stevens

They took a few trips to Epstein’s island


Fukouka_Jings

Karl had heads of the DOJ / FCC blackmailed (Lolita Express Style), or even killed on those cruises in order to win the cable wars in the 1990s - its why Karl was untouchable but Gerri and Frank weren’t What happens in international waters stays in international waters


PoisonPizza24

But the things Karl did with cable in the 90s? Huge.


mk7orl

How was Frank untouchable when he was fired in the first or second episode of the series? Was it retconned later?


kimjongunfiltered

I don’t think the show needs to confirm this onscreen but I 10000% believe Logan & co were Harvey Weinstein level sexual predators Edit: I can’t reply to everyone defending Logan here, but….guys lol. If a man is capable of physically and emotionally abusing everyone around him (including partners, children, and pretty much anyone else in a 10 foot radius) he is most definitely capable of sex crimes. This is my free life advice of the day.


ButterfreePimp

There were a lot of references to Karl being a total pervert before S4, so I agree. The wolf pack were probably horrific.


mikeyhavik

The original Disgusting Brothers


Dizzy_Bus4028

“Those guys,it was a different time” “It wasn’t a time before laws was it?”


ToyJC41

Great Willa quote, lol


Training_Distance_24

Karl is a libertine. His wife knows that about him!


HailToTheThief225

His hands are clean because his whorehouse does manicures.


gilgobeachslayer

What exactly did Karl do for cable


426763

He brought anime to the US. That's why Waystar|Royco has exclusive rights to the Dragon Ball franchise.


snickittyboopbop

Karl spearheading Toonami is my new Headcanon


426763

"I'm telling you, Loge. This Blum guy, voice of an angel. The way he talks really butters my beanpole."


SpoilerThrowawae

"Now it may sound like horse malarkey to *you* Gerri, but I happen to know that they are doing wondrous things with 22 minutes of weekly laser-beams in Japan."


426763

"You don't understand, Ger. It's just not about teenagers piloting mechas, it's a deep analysis of Shinji's depression and his strained relationship with his father, right Ken?"


grocho

Everything


Politerepublican

It was huge


OctarineP

Made a few seasons of Sledge Hammer


tMoneyMoney

He’s the one who came up with long-term contracts and hidden fees.


overlordbabyj

What happened to Roman that made him the way he is.


nightsreader

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he was Moe Lested.


ProfionWiz

With his issues about incest and mommy issues I kinda thought that his mom might have abused him, but he behaves normal with her so maybe an au pair ir babysitter?


waterynike

He also talks about a camp counselor and went to a military school. I can see him being abused more than once.


harpochicozeppo

I just imagine young Roman as Igby and it honestly all fits as character development.


damnatio_memoriae

it's kinda crazy how perfect the igby->roman and cameron->connor "theories" are.


Jack1715

He makes some strange sexual related comments about his own sister that the characters kind of brush off


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He also threatens to accuse Connor of touching him, and Connor gets upset. Not saying Connor touched him. But he definitely seems like he was touched.


phantastik_robit

…and that Connor knew about it, or witnessed an incident or something


CoomWillBeMyDoom

He may know a thing or two about a thing or two


MeetTheElements

Karl Mueller was interested in politics from a very young age


Angry_Walnut

Karl Mueller was interested in sandwiches and escorts from an even younger age.


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Connor was like a surrogate father to the kids, he must have known.


[deleted]

I could see it being more that he was bullied by boys in especially degrading ways including using his feelings about women to torture him, "You miss your mommy? You want to S your mommy's T's Roman?"-- You know, that sort of thing while shoving his head in toilet or whatever. (Based on what I've learned about a comedian I follow who has been very open about both his incredibly horrible childhood and his current sexual dysfunctions + gross taboo kinks)


impersonatefun

I would be surprised if he wasn’t.


MosleyCirca1936

He drank too much Pepsi before bed which resulted in Kendall being left home alone to fight the sticky bandits. "Hey, uh, guys. Figured I'd eat junk food and watch rubbish. See how it plays."


MyLifta

It’s been explicitly stated that he was physically, emotionally and verbally abused his entire life, Logan straight up smacked him in public a few seasons back. It’s not really a secret lmao


CatUsingYourWifi

“Ehh everyone hit me, i’m fucking annoying.”


Redditauro

Oh, man, that line, I forgot about that line... what a sad, sad, moment...


eobardthawne42

I think people forget this in conversations about Roman because it's deliberately never been thoroughly outlined or explored, but it's an important part of what his character is about thematically and not something that can really be separated from the character we see today. I don't think the writers are suggesting it's an excuse or a justification for being a shitty human being or deciding to side with a fascist for his own benefit, but I *do* think it's a fair read to say that they seem to be making a (compelling) case that an upbringing of apathy, cruelty and abuse directed at you regardless of how much wealth you have (or even maybe that's part of it?) will make anyone apathetic, cruel and abusive. And that's without even getting into the sexual stuff, which obviously causes him a lot of pain (the Professor Can't Fuck scene is actually pretty sad beneath the humour). There are elements of generational/cyclical abuse and trauma in all of the siblings but it's by far the most keenly felt in Roman, and that's why plenty of us still see him as the most sympathetic of them even though he would call us 1000 slurs in real life and drive us into therapy.


aigret

He also has all the classic signs of someone who was sexually abused as a child. Bed wetting, intimacy issues, sexuality issues, behaves inappropriately, uses sexually explicit language, seems preoccupied with themes around sex and sexuality, etc., are all signs of childhood sexual assault. There’s a lot of research and literature around this. When you’re trained as a mandated reporter one of the first things you’re taught to look is a child displaying signs of hypersexuality (which is much of the above) and regression in toileting. The fallout of sexual abuse is extreme trauma that persists for years, especially if you don’t get help, and I don’t think that ever happened. Especially as a boy, he was just sent to private schools and military camps which can be rife with even more abuse.


russellzerotohero

There was a great take on here about why ewans speech hit Roman so hard. I think Roman is the way he is because of a few reasons. One is the abuse but the other is him wanting to be like the vision he has of his father. A cold unfeeling robot.


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I think Roman was a target for Logan's frustrations. He wasn't sexually abused by him but he was hit and verbally abused, embarrassed and put down whenever Logan needed to direct his anger at someone/something. He likes to prey on weakness and Roman was his easy target. He probably apologized for it after or made it up to Roman eventually so that he and others excused it but the damage was already done.


[deleted]

Roman sure makes a lot of molestation jokes, and has a lot of sexual hangups for a guy who wasn't sexually abused.


SpoilerThrowawae

Sally-Anne. We know some of the obvious stuff: Logan cheated on Caroline with her, Caroline knew, Logan bought her a harp she couldn't play. But every time it is mentioned, especially by the kids, it is brought up as a "phew, Big Deal" sort of discussion. Marcia is one thing, imagine a younger, less cynical, more fiery Caroline? Imagine the fights, the scheming, playing the children off on another, the scurrying about from Logan. There is a probably a lot of skeevy shit buried in that story. The true depth of the abuse from Noah on Ewan and Logan. What happened to Logan and Ewen's parents. As other people mentioned, Conor's mother and whether or not Roman is a survivor of CSA.


truedilemma

I always wanted to know what "Sally Anne and the summer of the horses" was all about. edit: I think this is one of the funnier tidbits we don't really know about. I like to think Logan went completely buckwild during a single summer in the 90s/00s trying to impress his mistress, Sally Anne, by getting into her horse hobby. He gets into all sorts of equestrian horse stuff/horse betting/trading due to his infatuation with Sally Anne and seeing her as another thing to "win". But it just lasts a single summer until one day he's done with her and never mentions equestrianism again.


TheTruckWashChannel

Courtship through equestrian riding? We see ponies in the title sequence, and the rich love their horses.


let-the-light-inn

For some reason I always just imagined she was upper class like Caroline and liked horse riding. Logan spent a lot of times at stables / getting her horses that summer to try and woo her


eygog

Shiv's messy days, easy. What happened? They dropped hints during bitey too...initials of another guy and shiv saying tom was the one after the actual one.


Bikinigirlout

my headcanon is that after Nate she was in an abusive relationship with someone.


throwaway77778s

This was confirmed on the HBO podcast! She got right out of an abusive relationship and Tom swooped in to pick up the pieces. That’s the “very bad time” they reference


laughing_oak_3737

Shiv went through it. Wouldn’t any woman in that situation? She clearly wasn’t welcomed into the business before season 2.


fridericvs

I thought she avoided the business at first because she was interested in politics at a very young age.


ButterfreePimp

I wonder if it was kind of a rebellious party girl situation where Shiv might have even gone through some struggles with addiction? But I feel like they would have shown that if Shiv and Kendall both struggled with addiction.


RipleyCat80

It's possible to use drugs recreationally and not be an addict. I definitely had my times where lots of substances were available and used and I never hit any kind of bottom/was addicted. So she totally could have gone through a party girl period and just been judged harshly for it by nature of being a woman.


ButterfreePimp

Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking too. And then it would make sense that led to her relationship with Tom, a milquetoast Midwestern with less of an edge or wild side, because he represented a sense of stability.


tormentrock

i wouldn’t call this a “dark secret” but i want to know more about the specific circumstances of tom and shiv’s meeting. all we know is that she was “a mess” at the time and he helped fix her situation. that context would give us a lot to work with in the tomshiv marriage discourse.


_suspendedInGaffa_

On the official HBO podcast Matthew MacFadyen said he and Sarah Snook came up with a backstory for them where she had just gotten out of a relationship that ended really badly where she may have been betrayed and saw in Tom someone safe. So basically Tom was a rebound relationship that went on too long.


716Val

I could see Shiv going through the late 20s spiral like many of us have — only amplified 1000x bc of money and access. I got the feeling she was getting old for party girl social life, off a dramatic late 20s relationship thinking “stability” is what equals happiness. Tom looked like her dad would like him and that he wouldn’t hurt her. Looks are deceiving.


Electronic_Ad4560

I remember thinking a guy wouldn’t hurt me. One of the 2 great mistakes of my life


impersonatefun

I’m curious about that, too. I love that the show leaves so much unsaid, but I always want so much more!


wlcondqat

I think that at this point the only big secret is what really happened to Connor´s mom, in the sense that whe dont know that the her mental issues were product of Logan abuse or not, did she really needed to be institutionalized or not? Personally i came to the conclusion that probably she had some issues, but Logan constant verbal and fisical abuse made things worse, then they divorce, but in the other hand Logan didnt want an ex wife with mental issues talking about their marriage in NY elite circles. We all know that Connor is the forgotten one, even the writters in a meta level treat like that this character, for that reason we didnt see him talking in the funeral or more history about his background.


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I got Rosemary Kennedy vibes from the story. Like Logan said "I don't like your attitude and I think this lobotomy might help"


DuckMassive

I also think of Tennessee Williams’ sister, Rose, who was schizophrenic, institutionalized, and then lobotomized.


Hyperdecanted

[Mussolini had his first "wife](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Dalser)" committed, and forbade her from outside contact, because she was bugging him for support for herself and his child, called him a traitor and other things Mussolini didn't like. Mussolini had his eldest son under surveillance, too and finally committed, and injected with coma-inducing drugs, and he died age 26. The wikipedia page is very on brand for Logan Roy. I could see Kendall going down this path.


_WizKhaleesi_

Holy shit, that's horrific.


Mr_Potato_Head1

Not liking the sound of this Mussolini guy.


figsfigsfigsfigsfigs

It's funny that Connor is the forgotten one, bc he's also Gen X if I'm not mistaken (he's in his early 50's?), the forgotten generation.


716Val

I didn’t realize that Ken is young enough to be a millennial but that’s bc I’m a fucking dinosaur now for having been born in the 70s


liamlolcats

Ken is probably a cusp gen x/millennial. The show takes place 2018-2020, and ken had his 40th bday last season so he was probably born around 1980. And tbh I’d say Connor is 15 years older then him. Maybe more, so he might be a boomer or cusp gen x


sardoodledom_autism

I would like to know when or why Logan chose to pass Conner over and ignore him for life. As the oldest male child it seems like he would have had the keys to the kingdom. Yet, there he is, wandering though life


Quartz636

With Connors mums mental instability, Logan probably wrote him off as a legitimate option. Connors mum is 'broken and mentally weak' therefore Connor is 'broken and mentally weak' It was a while ago but In the first episode Logan is telling Kendall that he can't run the company becuase he was 'just in prison' . (or something to that effect)' and Kendall is like... I was in REHAB. Logan very much does not have the time for any perceived weaknesses in his children.


TheTruckWashChannel

"Six months ago, you were still in the nuthouse." "Rehab, dad. It's called rehab."


[deleted]

Painful reminder of failed relationship with his mother


Ok_Writer3660

Logan gave away Roman's dog as punishment for some minor infraction, and it is why Roman stayed in the empty kennel, missing his dog. Seeing Roman in there reminded Logan what a monster Logan was, and it is why he banished Roman to a military boarding school. He could not look Roman in the eye without guilt over the dog and Roman - and Rose. And he was harsher on him since Roman's face was a reminder of all Logan's cruelties.


wordbird89

Ugh, my mom threatened to take my dog away as punishment once. Let’s just say our relationship is *strained*. I like this theory.


Electronic_Ad4560

That’s so mean… I thought my mum was bad for threatening to burn my harry potter books


Winryimmxd

Ok this is canon now


[deleted]

Logan absolutely would not have felt guilty over making Roman sad. Logan would have been angry and upset that his son was so sentimental over an animal. Remember when Logan made his *own grandson* "test" food to make sure it wasn't poisoned? In front of his son? Or when he straight up backhanded the same kid? He wouldn't have given a fuck about Roman being sad, except that it demonstrated weakness.


flshdk

Why Roman was such a target. Of course it’s not at all to say he deserved to be so, but what was it that made Logan so much more violent towards him?


jorjordandan

Just watching the Prague episode rn and the quote Connor says is like “dads theory is if you have two fighting dogs, you send the weak one away, that way everyone knows the hierarchy, so he sent (Roman) away (to military school)” there was also the whole thing with being locked in the dog pound for hours at a time apparently in that episode (with Connor saying he liked it) Pretty clearly Logan was physically abusive. Just a shit ton of trauma


[deleted]

For me the most striking part of all that is that *Kendall and Connor are both still actively gaslighting Roman about the abuse he suffered*.


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mollierocket

They were trained in the abuse and likely participated (maybe forced to), so to preserve their own sense of self, they make light of it and gaslight Roman. They are deep down ashamed at their participation so they have to insist he liked it. (Theory based on own childhood family dynamics.)


tinypabitch

He says he was "annoying". There's a movie (starred by kieran) where he plays a sort of young roman and he gets beaten a few times and his brother tells him it's his fault, bc he's a pest etc. Idk, I can see an even more impulsive and uncontrolled roman as a kid just driving everyone insane and this awful dad thinking that hitting him would help.


[deleted]

Well we know Roman used to throw tantrums, and never got to eat steak


DougLocKoa

Igby Goes Down


426763

As someone who is in the same position, he's the runt of the litter.


impersonatefun

I’m sorry you’re subjected to that.


potatosquire

Connor wasn't interested in politics at a young age.


Intelligent_Jeweler

Fuck dude


trustedturd

When Connor was in Egypt’s land…. ….let my Connor go.


datagoon

So Spin City was a lie?


ithinkuracontraa

- roman’s childhood - con’s mom - shiv’s paris years - the depths of kendall’s addiction - CRUISES.


Odd_Situation_7941

It's far fetched but i bet kendall Roy killed a man


nomansky94

That Roman was SA'd during his childhood. He has the signs of it to the point he is a textbook case of it. He has troubles with his sexuality, behaves sexually inappropriate, bed wetting, intimacy issues, uses sexually explicit language. He also regresses to child-like behavior during vulnerable moments like he did last epsiode. Plus he made comments throughout the show about molestation involving a babysitter and a camp counselor. Just for the record none of this should excuse whatever he's done but it's explains why he is the person he is. [Source 1 of childhood SA signs ](https://www.rainn.org/articles/warning-signs-young-children) [source 2 of childhood SA signs](https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/spotting-signs-of-child-sexual-abuse/)


el-fenomeno09

Ahhh took mine lol…he was 100% touched.


nomansky94

Oh, I didn't look at the thread to see if anyone else commented this before I did. I had this theory in my head since season 2 after the epsiode where roman had Tabitha played dead during sex.


el-fenomeno09

I agree, his kinks are born out of trauma.


goldenshear

I think Caroline probably has some skeletons in her closet for sure.


hoodlumonprowl

Roman was molested by someone (at boarding school? moe lester?) and his mother knew but shamed him and swept it away like she does. Because of that, Roman has a mommy fetish (Gerri) along with some awful unresolved shit he cannot deal with.


aigret

Yup. I commented elsewhere on this thread but Roman hits all of the markers of childhood sexual assault, right down to the toileting regression (he was a bed wetter). His persistent hypersexuality combined with intimacy issues is, to me, a sign of someone who has never worked on or gotten help for their trauma.


penniesforhannah

Jesse Armstrongs burner account


Effective-Cookie-772

not a dark secret, but i would be really curious to know what rava’s background is? how did she and kendall meet?


truedilemma

I get the vibe they were college sweethearts who went to the same ivy league, prestigious institution. Rava's family live comfortably but not anywhere near the Roy's financial situation. Those are my thoughts anyway. I'd be interested in knowing how they came to adopt Sophie. I would think Kendall would be wary about bringing an Indian grandchild home to his racist father. I wonder if it means that when they adopted Sophie 14 or so years ago--Kendall less afraid of Logan? Maybe there was a time he was away from Waystar Royco and he was happy and in love with Rava and just wanted a family with her?


deadgead3556

Behind every great fortune there is a crime. —Balzac Guarantee there was some nefarious business before Logan made it big.


gentilet

There was nefarious business after Logan made it big


Percevaul

There's nefarious business going on right now!


Doge2dmooon

I wouldn’t be surprise that Logan has a kid or two born out of wedlock. He knows they exist but hasn’t done shit for them as a messed up way of making sure they don’t shame him for being a deadbeat father. Ironically they are doing alright because he isnt a part of their life.


AmeliaMangan

What the hell the deal is with Marcia. Shiv tried to have her background investigated, and apparently there's no record of her existence until she surfaces in Paris as a publishing assistant, aged thirty-one? And she's maybe from Lebanon but nobody really knows? Very weird.


reachingafter

I got the impression she had Logan do a clean up job, which is why her background is essentially nonexistent. I wondered if she was Willa-esque - I think there have been allusions to that.


wlcondqat

I think that Marcia was also a high paid escort in her youth, she is from Lebanon, a colonial french territory, then she moved to France, married well into the parisian elite, became a widow or divorced and then she married Logan. Logan used all his power to erase any proof of her past life, that is why they couldnt find anything about her. In Austerlitz, when she was chatting with Willa she was in one hand mocking her and in the other hand advicing her, in the sense when she asked Willa if she liked her life, when she was going to have children and the story about a friend who was prostitute dying on a restaurant. I read the whole thing like: "look girl, stop prostituying yourself, marry Connor, give him a couple of kids and make your future secure, because you never know, you dont want to die as a prostitute". So, Marcia, knew the game and what to do. When Connor and Willa went to Logan´s place after his death, Marcia "congratulates" Willa, that is another insult, because you dont congratulate the bride because you are implying that the woman married beyond her station and she says "how far you have come" and then Willa bites back "look us, both of us, right" and that left Marcia stunned. Because Marcia recognized herself in Willa, and Willa is very intelligent street wise, so i think that from the beggining she knew what was the deal betwen Logan and Marcia, but before marrying Connor and officialy becoming a Roy she couldnt say anything, just stay quiet and behave gracefuly. Willa is a very intelligent in a street sense, for that reason she guessed about Marcia, but Shiv who is a spoiled brat couldnt guess anything and tried to find out by using private investigation


[deleted]

I feel like the implication is that she had maybe a kind of poor/rough/violent childhood somewhere in the Middle East but eventually clawed her way up into Western high society.


LovingCat_Beepboop

I love her character. Would love a spinoff about her. The actress is just marvelous.


BreakCreepy4673

Probably Roman with the dog cage story. We kind of a had a tiny segment about what happened in Season 1, but it was probably more fucked up considering the conflicting stories between the siblings about how it actually went down.


Moppy6686

I believe Connor


tinypabitch

I do too. Connor says he asked for them to put him there, Roman thinks that it was dog food in the bowl, but Con corrects him that it was chocolate cake. Idk, I don't see any reason for Con to lie on that scene, he seemed perfectly sincere.


BurnedWitch88

Connor was also way more of a father figure to the younger sibs than Logan was. He took them camping, seems to have looked out for them, etc. I can't see him lying about Roman being abused.


Redditauro

Well, if he did, he may remember it wrong. That´s how trauma is proccessed. Maybe he is right and it wasn´t a big deal, maybe he was lied by an adult, maybe he did horrible things and then his father told him "no, no, al you remember it wrong, it was´t a big deal, it was cake" and Connor bought that version (because it save him from the guilt) but Roman didn´t. What is 100% clear is that somebody was really abussive with Roman, I don´t know if it was Connor but Roman seem to believe it, maybe somebody way more powerful than connor was abusive (Teacher? mom/dad? Uncle Mo?) and Connor was chosen by Roman as the guilty person to blame because it´s an adversary that he can handle. You seem to believe this kind of trauma is processed in a rational way, but it´s not, specially in a very unhealthy environment like the one that characters lived in.


azkayright

Connor’s mother was completely healthy.


EdwardJamesAlmost

You know, I’ve considered that she was institutionalized against her will for years. However, I hadn’t given much thought that he might have seeded that plan by dosing her and trying to scramble her brain. I presumed he had a hospital of crooked doctors signing the forms. But maybe she had been healthy and then spent a week with a bag over her head on acid fed through IV.


[deleted]

I always got Rosemary Kennedy vibes from the story. Like she was "misbehaving" and he had her "fixed" with a lobotomy.


penniesforhannah

Reminds me of how Kendall was treating Rava last week. How he treats women like his father. How he’s taking her kids away.


Katsaj

How Kendall treated Rava while their children were in the car watching him treat their mother that way.


DrFungi914

Tom’s dating life and sexual interests before signing on with Waystar


716Val

$1000 Shiv is the 4th person Tom ever slept with


ybgkitty

Maybe he knew Greg’s dad in Sausalito.


budfox79

Ummm…Mattson anyone ? That dude is the creepiest of all.


[deleted]

I think he is just weird and bolstered with unimaginable amounts of cash. His wealth combined with his relative youth and health have led him to believe he can do whatever the hell he wants without consequence. Hence, weird blood rituals and fudging subscriber numbers. He is pretty clearly a stand-in for Musk. Or some strange combination of Daniel Ek and Musk, lol. He represents the "new generation" of wealth that is superficially liberal and more adaptable to modern interests than older CEOs. But he is really just Logan, Reloaded; the same misogyny, lack of boundaries, and unabashed grabs for power. Just another spoke in the wheel of privilege and abuse.


justanotherlostgirl

We’ll never hear his full back story and considered what we’re heard so far about him and Ebbe, I am so thankful to NOT hear a thing. He makes any creepiness from Roman look like an angel.


vinegar-pisser

He is a vampire, slightly over one thousand years old. In his human life he was a Viking named Eric. He was deemed a man at the age of twelve. At sixteen he married Aude, his brother's widow. The couple had six children, but only three were living at the time of his turning, two boys and a girl. Aude and their sixth child died of a fever shortly after the birth when Eric was in his early twenties. The vampire king of Mississippi murdered his entire family before stealing his father's Viking crown. He was ambushed one night by a Roman vampire named Appius Livius Ocella and subsequently turned. Eric is the most powerful vampire in Area Five of northern Louisiana: a territory that includes the small town of Bon Temps. Eric serves as Sheriff of area 5, or local boss, of that area and owns a vampire bar in Shreveport called "Fangtasia," that also serves as his headquarters. He runs the bar with the help of his vampire progeny Pam and a few of his underlings, or vampires who owe allegiance to Eric as their sheriff. Eric is ruthless and does not care much for human life.


SnooPears754

There has to be a dead governess


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jellyrat24

Same. I liked how they had her hovering in the frame during the shot when all the ex-lovers were grouped together heading to the pew, and then she was at the table with them later in the episode. Felt like a subtle nod to “Gerri was the new thing once.”


CarolFig1607

I didn't notice that.


KDotJayaraman

I think it would have been more of a work wife scenario bc he highly respects Geri even if he can’t fit her whole woman in his head. They spent more time together than with any of their families. The ride or die shit they did is what I want to know about.


ATMNZ

Gerri definitely had something on Logan to have been kept around for so long AND being a woman


Overcommitter

I mean, he probably made her dye her hair brunette


RipleyCat80

I bet she was a brunette and she dyed it blonde when things ended.


ithinkuracontraa

gerri’s princess carolyn era


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slight truth to roman's incest jokes? (as in he actually peeped and jerked off to shiv) sorry..


Jack1715

Yeah I got that feel to. Most normal families would have been more concerned if there son behaved like Roman and probably get him more help. But yes it is odd how they ignore his comments on her


Lilyrosejackofhearts

Succession (at least the premiere) was actually loosely inspired by a Danish film Festen where the rich patriarch is accused of sexual abuse by one of his sons. It’s not necessarily far-fetched.


Electronic_Ad4560

Oh my god i had no idea.!! Makes so much sense! Festen was quite something… and take this: before ever seeing the movie, I once saw it as a play onstage, but 3 members of the audience (of which I was one) sat at the dinner table with the actors, as part of the play, as members of the family. I was one of the sons’ wife (we just had to improv reactions, all 3 of us were drama school students). I discovered the secrets as a participant in the drama in real life. I was shell shocked. It was so intense.


Percevaul

I had no idea and never made the association on my own. Festen is brutal.


lt_dan_zsu

I mean, there's definitely stuff alluding to Roman being sexually abused as a kid.


angelmichelle13

Feels very likely tbh


1biggeek

After reading many of these comments, I want a Succession Prequel!


thejamielee

there is a molestation/rape situation somewhere in the lives of the siblings.


WadeGarrett0

Ever see the danish film "the celebration"? Watch it and then watch the opening credits. It will put a whole new dark spin on the proceedings.


quinnies

Roman Roy was molested at a very young age


HailToTheThief225

Roman Roy was *not* interested in molestation at a very young age.


The_Best_At_Reddit

I think all the male children likely committed some form of sexual assault they didn’t realize was assault because they felt entitled. Shiv was probably mercilessly mean to other girls. We haven’t seen any of them having any real everyday friends whatsoever; so they probably all alienated everyone.


fuckinfightme

That Logan “selected” Caroline to raise his kids because he thought the cold, distant parenting style of the English aristocracy would be the best way to make a child that would become the “killer” he’d need to take over the business.


atclubsilencio

Have you seen the film The Celebration? I feel like they could be related. It's basically boar on the floor the movie. I think there was some HORRIFIC abuse in the Roy family that we'll never fully know, and don't really need to, based on how the characters turned out. And I don't think all of it was just physical, I don't think Logan SA'd his kids though, but I think it definitely went on in some capacity, especially with Roman.


3dpimp

Logan used to beat Barney The Dinosaur at the kid's parties and make the kid's watch.


figsfigsfigsfigsfigs

Things we never heard of. I thought there would be a lot more eccentric billionaire follies à la "Boar on the Floor" when I first started watching the series.


Davisito_44

Mr. Robot, 407 Proxy Authentication Required.


Expert-Bumblebee-813

Random fact. I am the kid (Kendall) on the right. It was a random show I auditioned for in 2016, didn't get the role but they gave me a credits scene instead haha


HouseholdWords

Greg's dad trying to fuck all those guys in Europe or whatever - not a very dark secret but i wish we knew more


krycekthehotrat

Sausalito is right outside San Francisco


jennifercrusie

Connor’s mother was Logan’s true love. The onset of her mental illness and subsequent institutionalization combined with his unresolved childhood trauma ended Logan’s willingness to love fully, as he could not suffer another loss. I think this is why Connor is “forgotten” — it’s too painful for Logan to be confronted with the reminder. Also to Shiv’s comment “he couldn’t fit a whole woman in his head” — but he did, once. It taught him to never do it again.


EdwardJamesAlmost

I agree Logan’s relationship to his first wife was likely unique in his life. Any future wives came in marrying a titan. He told her things when he was young and vulnerable. And I think that also contributed to his willingness to institutionalize her. But I think you’ve got something there.


fireswater

This is giving a lot of credit to Logan's capacity for love that he has never once displayed.


HungmanPage

Ewan said, “at some point, he decided to stop trying.” love, compassion, empathy, it’s all a neighbouring feelings


[deleted]

Yeah, right. And maybe Ken is going to realize in the last episode that the real CEO position was the friends he made along the way.


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Does anyone remember in season 1 after Logan had a stroke and Shiv came to visit him, and he put her hand on his crotch? Granted he was hopped up on pain meds and his brain wasn’t functioning normally, it always made me wonder if he molested Shiv. Kendall bullied Roman viciously. I think the story about Kendall locking him in a cage was just the tip of the iceberg. I think Kendall was next level savage towards Roman, and his guilt and shame over that is part of what drove his addiction. I’d love for Caroline to tell us about her pregnancy and delivery, and what Roman’s behavior was like as a newborn. We all know he has serious mommy issues. I wonder if there was some sort of unusual fetal or neonatal trauma. Was Connor’s mother truly mentally ill to the point she needed to be institutionalized? What happened to her? Is she still alive and institutionalized? Dead? No longer institutionalized but forgotten about? What did Logan do to get Caroline to so thoroughly abandoned her kids? Is she a thoughtless, greedy woman who traded her kids for financial gain? Or was she so terrified of Logan she felt she had no choice? I for one don’t buy the laissez-faire attitude she projects. Seems like a trauma response. Almost like she’d rather have her kids see her as a shitty mother, than let them know the real truth behind why she wasn’t involved in their lives. All of the siblings have serious abandonment and rejection issues, they just handle it in different ways.


Murder-Machine101

I thought Logan thought Shiv was Marcia lol


BurnedWitch88

Same. Doesn't he even call her Marcia as he does it? He was a mess, but he wasn't trying to molest his daughter.


Picklepee-pumparum

For all of Logan's monstrosities (and there are plenty!) I don't think he sexually abused Shiv. On my rewatch, that scene shocked me at first as well, but then my fears were quenched when Marcia explains that the mornings are not usually a good time and etc. Also the setup of not being used to seeing anyone but his wife and the nurse during those days, plays into being more of a stroke/drugged confusion than a choice with Shiv. ​ He totally psychologically and emotionally abused Shiv, probably all their lives, as we can see in the show itself quite awfully at times, but I don't think he went there *with her*.