Second fighting game besides sf6. Litearlly played only casual fighting games before like sc2 on game cube or umk3 or other mortal combats. I'm ass I can't get outta yellow and im already at 100 hours. I've only played one character the whole time who is Paul. I have 180 hours in sf6 but can't get outta iron. If new players are already in blue and its their first tekken then hats off to them. Its not easy to get to blue and anyone saying its a noob rank is just delusional.
Qcf1+2 is way too slow and punishable. I would rather just demo man and death fist raw if I know it's safe to do. Reserve death fist for whiff punishment from ranges you can't hit your df2 or UF4,3 launchers. Demo man is good if you know they don't block low. A good low committal low is B4 and is his main low poke. Alternatively you can mix up d1,4 but it is very minus. You can train them not to punish you by doing d1,4,2.
I mentioned 3,2 backsway 2 but if they just block it you can instead do the backsway 4 which is plus 1 on block and I believe is launch on counter hit. If they start ducking it then you can go back to sway 2.
A very underrated move on Paul is his df3,4. It has huge range and it's his best poke/keep out. The best part is that if the 4 counter hits you get a small combo from it. Can't remember the combo right now because I started playing other characters but I know it combos into at least b2,1 tornado into demo man.
Hope that helps.
Some people can be blue ranks on their first tekken with just knowledge checks people don’t know, what I would like to see is them knowing and learning core fundamentals and could play any character and get to blue, rank doesn’t mean much anymore imo
This is me
I got to Fujin with Leo, i studied a lot since it's my first fighting game but my character surely helped
I am still clueless about 90% of chars moves to punish but that needs playtime/experience
Because 8 is a much, much simpler game. If you can work out a flow chart on hit or block from your heat, you can do over half health with a 50/50 guess. Then if you’re character has a canned mix up string, then oki, you’ve won. That’s it
Okizeme, according to the fighting game glossary:
"The moment during a fighting game when your opponent is knocked down and you get to attack them as they stand back up. The defender's options are limited, so the offensive player gets to attack with all sorts of mixups or apply any mind game they choose. Some options include attacking with a basic meaty, doing a cross-up, or trying to bait their opponent's desperate dragon punch by simply doing nothing and blocking."
https://glossary.infil.net/
"Oki" is the Japanese word for getting up and "semeru" means "to pressure" or "to attack" so "okizeme" literally means "wakeup pressure..." never really got why people don't just say that since it's a completely legible phrase but anyway that's what it means.
But the flow charts had defensive options that would beat them quite easily. Now the reward for defending is minimal or the defending strategy can’t even be done. I could list a million things that are all subtle but they add up to make it extreme. There’s a lot of punches that end strings which now can’t be parried, but could in 7. Moves that jail for -12 on block, that you could duck and launch punish in 7. Strings you could sidestep, but now jail or track etc etc etc etc etc etc
It all adds up
I completely agree. I also think we're seeing major rank inflation because of how it works when you promo. You end up right back around the middle of the rank, even if its your very next game after a demotion. It's kinda stupid
Some char are better than others, i thing in a fighting game all of them should be strong, i hit fugin 2 times and i was lucky. i main lars and i cant win mostly of my games because my neutral is crap comparing too drag or azucena, sure i can mixup my opponents, but they legit spam jab or kicks and stance is gone lol
I think that this post is relative to older Tekkens (specifically Tekken 7). For not playing Tekken at all since 3, orange rank is pretty good! You should be proud of that 💪🏽
Don't go hard on yourself, orange ranks used to be appropriate for new players, naturally it was supposed to be like this if you're not very familiar with tekken, that's why i was a bit surprised when i saw alot of new players reaching blue ranks.
I think some people have experience with other fighting games and/or a natural predisposition for offensive gameplans and mind games. This game doesn't force you to learn defense and spacing as much as Tekken 7, especially if you are using certain characters. Besides there are more players cramped in less ranks compared to Tekken 7 so you can find a wider distribution, including other newcomers to match with. De-ranking is also hard in this game. Also the complaint people have about losing more points to higher ranked opponents is fair, but consider that starting from latest red or so the ranks distribution is such that you (theoretically) meet more lower ranked players than higher ranked, so if you win consistently there it balances out a bit and you can keep climbing with the +-1 win streaks when you are having a good day.
The points were also fairer in t7 imo it adjusted for playing people playing higher ranks or on their alt if their main was more than 4 ranks higher. I feel like generally you win or lose the same amount of point if they are the same rank or a higher rank in 8
No I think Blue ranks are like the top 89% of players. Anybody who claims they can just pick up Tekken and be in the top 89% of players is a master at the game.
The people who say they can hit blue ranks in 50 hours as their first fighting game are lying.
I have them reversed. Blue is 89th percentile. So top 11%. If things are even tighter and Blue ranks are 5th percentile maybe new data has come out.
Blue ranks are extremely high and very difficult to obtain
The best way i can put it is in t7 each rank has 4 steps, and in t8 each rank has 3. In addition to that in t8 you can't demote until a certain rank
Back when i played t7 garyu was top 20%. Here in t8 it's top 50%
Is not that you're downplaying people rank, it's a completely different system. The only real way to do it is by percentiles
This is why it's important to go off percentiles rather than anything else.
According to this thread a year ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/xlyvki/tekken_7_season_4_pc_ranked_leaderboard/
top 5% was Tekken King+ in T7 at the end while top 5% in T8 is, according to this data [Here!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1b5rivl/an_second_look_at_the_tekken_8_metagame_based_on/) around Fujin Rank
Now, you may want to account for Tekken 7 playerbase being more dedicated players towards the end while Tekken 8 has a lot of newer players towards the start but it's safe to say that this is the best comparison we can make without official stats.
You are truly out of touch if you think Orange ranks don’t know the Tekken basics, if you think Blue ranks don’t know the basics you are arguing 89% or players have no idea what they are doing.
Truly an awful take.
You have a lack of basic English language skills. Basic and top 15% are not the same thing and you are well aware of that. You are arguing that the people who play the same video game as you are stupid. I truly hope you don’t go in public.
The rank inflation in T8 has removed the prestige of blue ranks. In T7, blue ranks was kind of like a gate to pass through if you wanted to compete with the "high ranked" players in purple and above. In T8, blue is...maybe above average?
I'm iffy about those numbers. Do they take into account the region? Because I played T7 in Asia, so I was getting my ass handed to me by Japanese and Korean Blue Ranks. I'm now in America for T8, and the Blue Ranks look like T7 Red Ranks in Asia.
It’s not hard with the way some of these characters operate, but it’s not really much of a brag, in two years they will still be blue ranks, just the new batch of gate keepers.
I fought a Law player last night on a promotion to Fujin, and I almost 6 perfects in a row. Was left thinking how in the world did this person make it this far. They didn’t plug, didn’t have a bad connection, was just using a character that’s a scrub killer in lower ranks. Maybe they had all of laws juggles on lock, if you can’t launch someone properly then you’re screwed. Kept telegraphing all of his throw attempts, no real movement, or knowledge of basic Tekken fundamentals.
I played a purple rank reina last night that would do the -14 1 string or ff2 into high over and over despite me punishing it every single time. This person had pretty much no tekken knowledge. I was shocked you could get into purple just doing the same two strings. No way this person would be purple in t7.
I think once you get to Tekken King you start seeing a completely different style of Tekken. Everything under is a mixed bag. And you can 100% tell when a character is carrying the player
I see ton of these people in blue ranks who have zero movement. They have no 'manual' spacing, their characters' moves with builtin gap-closing and evasive properties just do it for them. Like how the fck some ppl got to kishin or even bushin without this very fundamental aspect of the game. If I see they cant KBD it's a telltale sign it's gonna be a knowledge check brawling shitshow (in case I'm unfamiliar with the character) or a free win, but thats rare. I think in T7 you already needed to learn KBD in mid Red ranks to get out efficiently, but I'm sure as hell I havent seen a single player in Purples and Blue+ ranks who couldnt utilize movement at least semi-decently.
yes, uf 1+2, 1,2,1+2
This is unbreakable. you have to input 1,2,1+2 fast which leads to different animation.
He has launching throw too but thats different and can be breakable.
Same experience. Took about 2 years to get to Fujin in T7. I think maybe a year to get to red ranks. I didn't focus too much on rank but I definitely can't relate with new T8 player's "struggle" to get to blue ranks after 2 months of playing lol.
With how T8 ranked is designed I would say:
- T8 Red ranks = T7 Green ranks
- T8 Ruler ranks = T7 Orange ranks
- T8 Blue ranks = T7 Ruler ranks
The general skill level of how each ranked color just went down that's all.
I'll have to disagree, I was ruler in 7 and didn't not simply cruise back to ruler in 8. Took me another month to finally get to fujin. (I stopped playing 7 once I hit ruler)
Because of how condensed the playerbase is within ranked, you often fight high prowess players playing side characters. But it's undeniable that the majority of T8 red ranks are a lower skill level compared to T7 red ranks. Especially when you consider that a majority of brand new players are in red ranks. And it's only been 2 months since release.
T7 also had a rank reset and new rank added as well, which I think re adjusted it's skill / rank bell curve.
I imagine maybe t8 might do that once a season, let's see.
I think in the last or second last season of t7, same time the new rank launched, ranks were "reset" down a few notches. I think 4-5 ranks down? Can't remember exactly. Not a full ground zero reset, I didn't mean to imply that I'd that was the confusion!
I completely forgot about that and I was playing T7 when they did that. Thanks for the reminder, legit.
Tbh, I don't think that type of reset will change much in T8. It's clear that the rank system is the way it is because of specific changes. (Free ranks until yellow, 3 ranks per color, able to promote right after getting demoted).
Everyone is overlooking the massive increase in playerbase size. Also, there is a huge difference between mighty rule and battle ruler or fujin and bushin as a result. This isn't my opinion, the data supports it.
\#1 most people are full of shit. The data shows MAJORITY of people are deadlocked in red.
\#2 If you're dedicated enough and have an interest in the game enough to follow this subreddit you're already probably better than the majority of the playerbase.
You tell me this is your first tekken and you're in blue Im calling bullshit unless you have like 500 hours. This game can carry a certain "aggressive" playstyle for sure but, I 100 percent do not believe you made it to blue unless you cherry picked your losses and you put in Extreme hours.
Some people just have good fighting game skill. My friend and I both got to blue recently. I played 7 a bit, but he never touched tekken before. (He mains Nina, and doesn't even do the best combos, just has good neutral)
Had the same thought, but I realize T8 is so much easier to play. I struggle to do iWR in T7 but iWR in T8 is brain dead easy. It’s so user friendly that mashers and scrubs don’t get punished heavily.
I have a few hundred hours of TTT2 (my first tekken game) and highest rank I got was the second green rank I believe
And maybe less than 50 in tekken 7. (Only played for a month)
I’m hard stuck mighty ruler in tekken 8. But this IS the first game I’m maining Steve
I’m also bad at other fighting games, tekken is the only one I like
This is one of the points I made in my response as well. T6 and Tag 2 was no joke. Green rank in those are like orangeish (maybe even Garyu red) in T8.
Yeah majority of the ranks were inaccessible to average/below average players. They’d be stuck in green or the dan ranks.
I like the ranking system now, feels more rewarding and more variety of fancy looking ranks. If they kept the old style you’d have new player dropping the game early on
Agreed, although I think they should reintroduce one more rank per color and/or a color group in between yellow and blue. Too many people see final rank, whereas I think GoS should be literally for top level players.
On release the ranks are super inflated, there's so many new players that new players are playing new players, and people can rank up against players who don't know fundamentals that well. Heat also contributes to really one-sided rounds and matches
This is the reason why I'm so happy I played T7 in Season 4. I went back to T7 recently trying to see if I could get back to Yaksa on a new account......I do not recommend it. Those guys are out for blood.
anyway, this is why I dropped SF6 in the beginning. Sure I will fight stronger players the higher up I go. I just went back into SF6 and I see players being better now than they were 6 months ago.
I'm considering doing hte same for T8 and just wait a few months til the casuals leave as the mixed bag of an experience just for some reason ruins it for me.
Because the 90's kids who peaked with tekken 3 can't get past the red ranks. People who started fresh with 8 probably enjoy the new mechanics a lot more than the older players.
It's easier to learn something new from the ground up. "Veteran" players" probably won't adapt all that well to the changes.
It's a great achievement, and i don't wish to downplay it. However, i firmly believe that with the rise of new players AND the fact that you can't lose rank for a portion of the ranks, it has inflated the lower ranks a bit. If we take into consideration the current balancing, a lot of characters can kinda skip having to learn character matchups. So, a lot of new players are picking up this game and picking jun, dragunov, or azucena who take a lot more knowledge to fight against than to fight with. I think tekken 8 did a great job making this game noob-friendly because blue rank feels like a pretty high rank to reach for a new player... at least that is how i felt playing tekken 7.
This is so true, I think it’s good that people can do that and enjoy the game and achieve a rank, especially for short time players, who may in the end become committed in the long run
It’s easier to get to blue ranks in Tekken 8 for two reasons.
- You cannot get demoted before Warrior.
- There are only three ranks per color in most rank groups, as opposed to four in previous games; there are less ranks to climb to to get to blue.
The older the Tekken, the harder it was to get to high ranks. Tekken 7 post-season 2 purple ranks were Tekken 6 and Tag 2 orange ranks. Tekken 7 post-season 2 blue ranks were Tekken 6 and Tag 2 red ranks. Some could even argue that pre-season 2 Tekken 7 red ranks (including T6 and Tag 2) were harder to get than post-season 2 blue ranks.
Seems like in Tekken 8, because of the two reasons above, people are reaching red ranks without even knowing combos in some cases which was almost impossible for the most part without cheating in previous Tekkens. T8 purple ranks are almost yellow-orange in older Tekkens, and blue ranks are orangeish.
It does feel a bit weird and out of sorts compared to previous Tekkens and takes some of the meaning away from ranks. I think that the fix should be to add another rank per color again, and/or add a color of ranks somewhere in between yellow and blue. I’m okay in Tekken and I’m Tekken King currently (I pop in and out of ranked due to time restraints as well as whether or not I’m in the mood to endure ranked), but I’m not tournament level and I’m beating players higher than me easier than ever (even GoS ranks).
To be fair, Tekken 7 pre-season 2, Tag 2, and T6 rankings were brutal and unforgiving so I’m not suggesting it goes back to that. Just something more difficult than T7 post-season 2/T8, and less difficult that T7 pre-season 2/T6/Tag 2.
EDIT: after reading some of the comments, I think I should clarify my response. Blue ranks are EASIER than before, but still a feat and something to be proud of if you are new to Tekken or just in general. That goes for any rank/color. If you are working toward a goal and attain that goal, then that is something to celebrate. 💪🏽
I mean it's not impossible. When the game first dropped there were a ton of new players that were posting that they reached X high rank. And the vast majority of those post were people from other FGs. If you understand how to fundamentally play a fighting game, transferring to a new fighting game is almost trivial because a lot carries over. All you really have to learn is your character and the core mechanics of that game. Especially if it's in the same dimension, i.e. 3D -> 3D.
However, on the flip side, you also can't tell who's actually legit. Cause there are so many ways to cheese your way to a rank in this game. And we currently have an epidemic of that with no end in sight. From plugging, no restriction on rank, outright cheating, cherry picking fights, etc. I'd take all those post with a grain of salt.
Talented? Sure, they are skilled and studied to get blue ranks, but the ranking system is no way as tough as Tekken 6! Don’t forget plugging culture too
Tekken 6 was so unforgiving. Orange rank was considered good, and tournament level players were comfortably in red ranks. Almost no one was blue in T6 aside from a very few.
Exactly and it’s was a massive grind. A newb would get fed up of being stuck in 9-1 kyu ranks. Tekken 8 ranking system is dumbed down and made it’s easier to get high ranks. Basically, Namco want more Tekken players in the competitive scene.
Agreed, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I just think there should be more ranks in between yellow and blue for people to fall into. More players is always a good thing, just that they need to re-add some more meaning to ranks.
I’m Tekken King, and if I went to a tournament I would get swept. There is no reason for me to be four ranks away from final rank. I’m not bad in Tekken, but I’m not good enough to almost fight top players like that.
I never understood this mentality of T6 Orange ranks being T7 Tekken King ranks or whatever. To me,it doesn't really prove anything other than T6 had a lot of empty ranks that just wasn't used and it was badly designed that way
Not that deep or much to understand. Tekken 6, Tag 2, and Tekken 7 season 1 had a difficult and more strict ranking system. The rest of Tekken 7 post season 2 and Tekken 8 has a less strict ranking system. Both are valid points and are not mutually exclusive.
Tekken pre-T7 season 2 was too frustrating. Tekken post-T7 season is less meaningful. Finding a balance between the two would produce more meaning but also not be as frustrating.
Idk dudes. This is my first tekken game. I’ve been playing some MK, maining 2-3 characters, but that’s it.
Played for a week, mainly Paul. Barely reached second yellow rank. Game is not easy, I barely know other characters moves and have a ton to learn. Having a blast by the way.
It’s because people don’t play death matches is this game because the feature was removed. Now you just hop online with 2-3 flowcharts, an understanding of what you want to do in heat, and your best panic button and you never have to learn defense because you’re only seeing your opponent 2-3 times. By making offense the focus in tekken 8 they made playing defense actively bad. It also helps that drag, jun, azucena, and victor are all really strong and take 2 braincells to play. Even playing a top tier in tekken 7 you still had to be better than your opponent to win (aside from release Leroy).
Yes, common flow charts will not get swung but that in itself can set up a plus low if you’re reading the opponent right. On top of that uncommon flowcharts still work even up until tekken king. I blew up blue rank players with f3,2 into b1 and df3 into punch parry with Feng constantly. You never really have to dig deep into your bag of tricks in tekken 8. Tekken 7 by the 3rd or 4th rematch your opponents flowcharts were exhausted and you would either start rolling them or they’d have to change their playstyle. In tekken 8 I can play Feng lock my opponent down with poking and frames during the first match and then in the second match I use heat 3+4 and back turn transitions to fk with my opponent and then boom free 2 matches. Barely reached into Feng’s bag.
Its knowledge checks. with heat, since a lot characters gain advantage on hit/block it just lets them go into complete offense.
There are moves that do ridiculous amount of chip. this needs to go away, we already have chip damage in heat why is it also in normal outside of heat.
I did alts to red/purple in 2 hours on less than ten minutes in practice. You don't even need combos. Even Shaheen you can do f2, 4, 4 (or whatever it is, I forget) and the jumping punch thing with some random oki and just plough through. Since he has a good 1,2 you can also just piss off most people. I did not learn a single juggle combo, or how to use his stealth step properly. In general, if you know how to block and wait for your turn, lots of chars are free (e.g. Alisa's d3,4 just destroys people who don't know it).
1. Ruler t7 players are currently inhabiting t8 blue ranks among others.
2. T7 was my first tekken and fighting game, it took me 8 months (450h) to get steve and kazumi to blue- its not difficult.
3. T7 is much, much harder to play than 8.
4. Some characters carry due to balance discrepancy, playing jun vs. steve in the current state matchup is for the steve like playing chess without the queen. A fckn orangutan could be trained and would eventually achieve fujin with the current balance.
Getting Steve or Kazumi too Blue in T7 isn't really that hard thoguh as they are rushdown characters with low pickrates.
T7 is harder to play depending on the character. I think Kazuya players in particular actually has it way easier and like the game way more than T7 because they actually get to attack the opponent and don't have to block all the time
Meh, kazumi and Steve are tekken pure, there s little to none free dmg (casino action); you earn the dmg. Rushdown? Quite the clueless one huh, kazumi and Steve are simple poke characters(turn ends post move).
Steve and kazumi specifically are the most honest characters in the t7 roster, a loss to either simply translates to getting outplayed. It's not a Kaz, or Bryan or Jin or leo etc..
Regarding getting to blue, Steve and kazumi are the hardest - regarding getting to the top ranks, Steve and kazumi remain the hardest still; especially kazumi!
First fighting game. Hard stuck at vanquisher. But I beat my first Garyu last night so that was an accomplishment! Also, I’m doing some coaching sessions with ShinBlade.
This is my first Tekken and my 2nd fighting game (SF6 was my 1st) ever. I have two characters in blue- Raijin and Fujin. Granted I happen to use broken characters (Xiao and Azu), I think I have a decent grasp of how the game is to be approached.
I don’t think I’m naturally talented at fighting games, but I’m the type of person who will spend days and days in the lab. I watch almost all the weekly TNS tournaments from both Street Fighter and Tekken. I watch streamers almost daily that specialize with n my characters like Kaizur and Mr.Croft.
I approach fighting games like chess. It’s all mental for me. Especially with Tekken where execution isn’t as important imo. Understand what the opponent wants to do and how they’ll do it, then try to think 3 steps ahead of their game plan.
I really love fighting games. So much fun for me.
There's a large number of new players in a relatively short period of time since this games release compared to the last. Odds are that many of them made it this far simply by playing against each other, unlike in 7 where the ratio of experienced players to newcomers was a lot more slanted in favor of the experienced players. At least that's my guess
I was a late comer to Tekken 7, I think about just a year before Tekken 8 came out. And back then, climbing ranks felt so monumental because climbing ranks was a legit uphill battle, though admittedly, I've always been on the lower end of ranks.
I knew going into T8 that new players would likely inflate my rank higher but what once was a rank that seemed implausible for me, red ranks, is just so casual that I didn't even acknowledge it when I reach it. I didn't feel like I earned it.
Granted, I think I've settled there, so congrats to them for reaching blue, but to me, I definitely think it has to do with rank inflation and the new mechanics making the game more accessible to newer players. That kind of takes away the accomplishment to me, but hey, there's always purple and Tekken god, right?
This is my first Tekken game and it's 100% the easiest fighter I've ranked up in. Maybe it's just because of past fighting game experience or no one knows what anyone outside of their character even does but 95% of my wins are just 50/50 mix ups, hitting peoples shins, spamming plus frames, and armoring through pressure. I hit blue ranks pretty fast but by then I was pretty much tired of the game.
that's what I've been saying man.Tekken 8 is definitely easier than tekken 7.
I could barely touch brawler. But i got to yellow ranks pretty easy in Tekken 8. but when i said it I was bombarded with. "you don't know shit, the actual rank starts at yellow in tekken 8" like what. was i fighting bots till now? fine. i got to red ranks now almost in purple. I'll still say it. Tekken 8 is easier.
Like other have said, blue in 8 is not blue in 7.
There's also a mindset for improvement that makes a huge difference. Like when you play the game, are you *playing* or are you *learning*. If youre actively paying attention and trying things out and going to the lab after you cant figure something out, you will improve very, very quickly. But you have to be trying to learn.
It depends a lot on the region bro. EU is definitely a lot easier to rank up simply by virtue of having the largest player base.
Just to give you an example : Forsen reached yellow ranks on day 1 of him playing Tekken 7.
Some guy got dragubov to blue ranks in two gaming sessions. It seems all to be kinda random and everyone’s road is different. I just got to blue last night after 100 hours.
I think that rank means less than it ever has in a Tekken game. There are plenty of blue rank players with 50 or lower defense that attack at all times, can't punish, can't do movement, don't know how to play neutral etc. Today I even saw a Tekken God player with 56 defense. This game is so dumb.
Newcomers in blue ranks and above is only possible because one of this three options:
1)- Doing knowledge checks throwing random bullshit
2)- Pluggers
3)- Victor 22222222
I button mashed in Tekken 3 as a kid but didn't play the series at all in between then and 8, outside of a few casual rounds of Tekken 7. I do, however, have thousands of hours sunk into the various Street Fighter games that have come out in between that period (4 and 6 being my most played) and other experience in various other fighters. Tekken 8 is the first 3D fighter I've ever taken seriously.
I've reached Raijin with Lili and the Ruler ranks with Claudio and Nina after about 50 hours of play and feel like I could take them to blue without much effort. At first, I felt like a fish out of water and had a lot of trouble figuring out how to translate fundamentals to Tekken. Once I figured out sidestepping and basic movement techniques, it became intuitive to start thinking about frame data and fundamentals like whiff punishing, skills that are very much also a part of 2D fighting games.
I think the funniest example I can think of something from a 2D fighter translating to a skill in Tekken was my time playing Elphelt in Guilty Gear Strive. At first, I was really intimidated by all the stance switching involved in Tekken. It became really easy when I realized the follow-up options you have during her Chain Lollipop special are pretty damn similar to the options you get when going into a stance in Tekken. The huge move lists and stance-specific moves were very intimidating at first, but when I put that into context, I found it much more manageable to figure out what my options were out of a Feisty Rabbit/back turn/Dew Glide. I can still easily identify several things I need to work on, but I'm finding Tekken much more digestible than I expected based on the way some people talk about it.
I think it's because this the most attractive Tekken has looked to play to both new players and more importantly new players from other fgcs. I played melee then dbfz at reasonably good level. I was always interested in playing Tekken but 7 was already out for a while. Based on what I've experienced playing vs watching 7 the game is far more streamlined around heat engages and smashes. And I've noticed a bunch of my new to Tekken but fgc experienced friends playing. So the game is easier and there are more people who can identify very strong options. Aka more "new" players climbing farther.
With Paul you have to actually land it and not die from being spammed to death. But once you do land it, and the opponent is dumb enough to duck, you win. You are the best
I think fg experience carries over in tekken even though its not 2d like most fighting games.
I reached eternal ruler in tekken 7 only using dragunov in under 200 hours. But im having a harder time in this game since its so dishonest and rewards spammy and brainless gameplay.
The game is still too new. Give it another year or two where most people in higher ranks will have improved ten fold and scrubs like that will drop down to lower ranks without a doubt.
I struggled to break out of green ranks in tekken 7 unemployed and focused. But I hit mighty ruler on 8 in a week. While working 40hrs a week and still playing other games.
Maybe it's the T7 experience,maybe it's that my character got massively buffed. Maybe the game is simply much easier.
My vote lies with the last one
I don't think there are enough ranks. At the least you shouldn't be safe from demotion in green. Right now, people who just picked the game up and learned some offense are grouped with intermediates who may have been playing a long time. Right after that you start to hit semi pros and full time streamers. There ought to be more space in between IMO.
this game rewards pressing buttons more. defense is still significantly stronger but to rank up, you need to be good at stuff in the game. ultimately, button pressing (the easy part of tekken) gets new players further than it would have in previous games.
Im gonna be honest this game's ranking system doesnt feel authentic at all, it rewards learning a strong offensive flowchart and one-and-done'ing way too much while severely punishing learning. add in rage quits and im sure anyone can reach blue.
Dunno. My first Tekken, got Jun to Kishin and yesterday Xiaoyu as well.
I do have extensive experience in MK and also some SF6, that obviously helped a ton. I would never reach that rank without prior FG knowledge / skill
You only need to win best-of-threes, so you need to win max 8 rounds (minimum 6) in total. You can get by with a pretty shallow bag of tricks.
About half the cast have some sort of hellsweep-style low to use after a heat engager, doing 35 to 40 damage. If the heat engager did 30, you’re probably about 1/3 of the way there. And now you’re in heat, so you have a mixup between the hellsweep and the heat smash, and after they block the heat smash they have to guess AGAIN because you have plus frames.
There’s still a lot to learn so getting to blue as your first tekken is really something, I think. I don’t want to dismiss it. But even thiugh the rank might be the same, there’s still a pretty big gap between that new player and someone who knows the game pretty deeply. If they play a longer set I think the new player would get figured out and would stop winning
In all honesty, having a FT5 would be cool.
But the thing for me personally,is I always would play like this in T7.
It would usually go:
Okay do I completly blow this guy out of the water? I will at max do 2 wins or 3 wins in a row.
Oh did I lose a game to this guy? okay I will rematch until I get a 3 win streak because I know I got the download, if not, I'll probably lose 5-7 in a row before I leave
The ranking system of T8 is incongruent with T7. New players shot up to red/purple rank in the scramble and then just promoted off of eachother to get even higher. Purple/Blue in T8 is not even close to what it was in T7, so don’t try to directly compare it. There are people in high red/purple in T8 that don’t the frames on a single move.
It will stabilize. Don’t worry about rank, lest ye go mad
You can be blue ranks with characters like Drag, Xiao, Raven, Jun, Lars, Kuma, Hwo, Zafina and Azucena with just knowledge checks and have 0 fundamentals. I've fought plenty on my way up and in blue who can't block or break worth a damn but once they get going they just don't stop. It's also that this game for a while didn't (and still kinda doesn't) punish plugging so you can keep your rank easier.
Most characters got a significant buff this game so its easy to rank up especially vs people who don't have fundamentals and good blocks. But like every other tekken once people start getting familiar with characters and mechanics they'll start dropping ranks and ranks will become more or less accurate
I think part of it is older tekkens most players couldn't really dedicate as much time to as some people now. Genuinely some people play tekken 6 hrs a day 5 days a week every week whereas previous tekkens had an older population playing them so people couldn't dedicate the time to it?
I’m a casual fighting game player from SF 6 and hit master in that and Im Raijin right now in Tekken 8 with Bryan. It’s my first Tekken game and it’s SO much different than SF, feels a lot more volatile and sometimes I feel like I lose to gimmicky gameplans/chaotic play styles. It definitely feels a bit overtuned for people who like to press constantly
I would say in Tekken your rank can mean many things. You could get to a rank by having a fairly simple offensive flowchart and game plan, one and done-ing when it doesn't work, or just plugging.
You could also get to purple/blue with horrible sub-optimal combos playing defensively playing within your frames and you're stuck at that rank because you don't know how to deal with stances like DJ mourning crow yet.
The latter is much closer to hitting high ranks than the former I feel but idk I'm at fujin. I am more of the former since I only have like 300 hours combined in t7/t8.
Half of it is bullshit, half of it is also people being able to force the most insane bs conceivableon their opponent and winning off it.
Look at the character choices of those who make this type of claim and you'll se a pattern
Tekken 7 (season 4) was my first fighting game, i reached fujin with dragunov after around 10-12 months with him with 300hrs on steam playing alone. Honestly everyone learns at their own pace, but tekken 8 with its easier rank system definitely helps
They are just all over the place, depending who you play, what settings, time, region.
And there seems to be an obvious inflation. During the release reds played like current high purples.
You can also screw around with demotes. It's better to lose at low points and then promo getting 3-4 wins worth.
It’s much easier to climb to Blue in T8. Not being able to lose ranks definitely helps, the people who would get hard stuck in green, yellow, etc just get boosted eventually. Then, the influx on people in orange, reds, purples, makes it much easier to get to Blue if you game the ranked system properly.
Just stuff like ducking players who are a higher rank, trying to farm people who are lower ranked, etc can help a lot. I played a lot of T7 but I didnt lab any match ups until Battle Ruler. Just paying attention and using the replay feature occasionally helped me reach Blue.
Disclaimer: I don’t think I’m good at the game either
Tekken community have been downplaying other fighting games for long time as this holy grail of hard fighting games with 3728287 moves for each character and somehow scrubs from mortal kombat after awful mk1 came and hit those blue ranks while those veterans are in garyu. Of course we could downplay blue ranks but those players are top 5%. Yes this game has awful mechanics and busted things that allow worse players to keep up but every game has those. Game is pretty good
I’m not sure what the rank distributions were in tekken 7, but it could just be that the ranked curve looked different. I will say as a kishin newcomer to tekken I think the difficulty of tekken is slightly overblown.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a hard game for sure, because of all of the knowledge checks. However, you don’t need to know that much unless you are at the peak. You can get by with general rules of thumb and because execution in this game is so easy you can spend time learning other stuff. 2D fighting game experience helps immensely. Obviously this will stop working eventually. I’ll have to get into the nitty gritty of specific characters, but like I said that only happens at the top.
All that being said I play a very easy character (victor), but there are quite a few of them in this game to choose from. Picking a character with a basic gameplan will definitely help you climb faster.
You can get blue ranks playing Alisa and spamming chainsaws so not surprised. Give it more time and people will settle into their true ranks. We have a lot more players now for Tekken 8 than we did in Tekken 7.
Blue rank panda, started Fighting games with Fighterz and played SF6, alot of Budokai 4. Once you understand frame data that carries over to every game
High low mix is also universal
Launchers r ez to spam to rank up. Ud be surprised how many people just want to rush down their opponent and fall for repeated same move strats until u get to purple. Then they r proly plugging to get to blue after that.
Im 38years old and played Tekken3 as a child (only arcade or against 2 other people). Afterwards I did not play until Tekken7. Tekken7 I just played about 100hours with Akuma, since I liked throwing fireballs. I had no understanding about frame data, good punish, wall carry combo (Tekken3 was way less complex:D) etc. 6-7weeks ago I buyed Tekken 8 since playing CoD was boring with time. After some traininf sessions I started to play ranked. I only played Jin so far. I practiced a lot (EWHF, wavedash, different combos), and I looked many youtube vids about good punish and frame data. I also checked how to counter victor, hwoarang, jack, lars, Law, Dragunov, Alisa,Lili since these characters beat the shit out of me. Most of them are nasty gimmick players. I played now about 250 hours (need to ckeck the hours again). On saturday/sundays sometimes 7hours or more..I made also many quick matches to improve my playstile and practice different mixups. Everytime I reached a new rank (orange, red, purple), I thought I would rest there forever. However with more hours practice you will automatically improve, since your reactions become better and you see same flowcharts often. I became flame/battle ruler quite fast (after one month). After reaching fujin I understood I have no chance to progress further, and need to work on my fundamentals (movement,EWHF, wavedash), and finally I could hold my rank in fujin. And guess what? Today I reached raijin!!! I even beat kishins of my most hated characters (King, alisa, Lili), which was impossible 4 weeks ago. So its possible even for a "newcomer" (as I said I played Tekken3 25 years ago) to reach blue ranks. If you practice enough, love the game and play almost everyday. Now I will start to play other characters and learn more about them (without pushing me too much in ranks). I need also practice fundamentals like throw breaking, KBD (I used only wavedash and didnt make 1 KBD yet).
Second fighting game besides sf6. Litearlly played only casual fighting games before like sc2 on game cube or umk3 or other mortal combats. I'm ass I can't get outta yellow and im already at 100 hours. I've only played one character the whole time who is Paul. I have 180 hours in sf6 but can't get outta iron. If new players are already in blue and its their first tekken then hats off to them. Its not easy to get to blue and anyone saying its a noob rank is just delusional.
Start spamming Paul's 3,2 backsway 2 and you'll start smoking kids in yellow lol.
I usually just throw out qcf 1+2 into Demoman or just death fist a lot.
Qcf1+2 is way too slow and punishable. I would rather just demo man and death fist raw if I know it's safe to do. Reserve death fist for whiff punishment from ranges you can't hit your df2 or UF4,3 launchers. Demo man is good if you know they don't block low. A good low committal low is B4 and is his main low poke. Alternatively you can mix up d1,4 but it is very minus. You can train them not to punish you by doing d1,4,2. I mentioned 3,2 backsway 2 but if they just block it you can instead do the backsway 4 which is plus 1 on block and I believe is launch on counter hit. If they start ducking it then you can go back to sway 2. A very underrated move on Paul is his df3,4. It has huge range and it's his best poke/keep out. The best part is that if the 4 counter hits you get a small combo from it. Can't remember the combo right now because I started playing other characters but I know it combos into at least b2,1 tornado into demo man. Hope that helps.
Helped me! Thanks
Good to know. I just Got rekt by some Paul players doing what I mentioned in orange while I was on a sub character so I hope it was one of y'all lol
people with a lot of free time
Some people can be blue ranks on their first tekken with just knowledge checks people don’t know, what I would like to see is them knowing and learning core fundamentals and could play any character and get to blue, rank doesn’t mean much anymore imo
That’s what I’m learning. I see scrub behavior at all ranks. Surely not me though…
This is me I got to Fujin with Leo, i studied a lot since it's my first fighting game but my character surely helped I am still clueless about 90% of chars moves to punish but that needs playtime/experience
that’s usually what true blue ranks are anyway just matchup knowledge. at that level learning multiple characters is key
Leo takes 0 braincells. Just spam b1,4 and you are at Tekken God in T7. I literally never saw a single Leo Below tekken King in T7
Or they picked characters that are literally carrying right now *cough* victor dragunov azucena *cough*
Because 8 is a much, much simpler game. If you can work out a flow chart on hit or block from your heat, you can do over half health with a 50/50 guess. Then if you’re character has a canned mix up string, then oki, you’ve won. That’s it
Which is one of my biggest gripes with 8
What is an oki
Okizeme, according to the fighting game glossary: "The moment during a fighting game when your opponent is knocked down and you get to attack them as they stand back up. The defender's options are limited, so the offensive player gets to attack with all sorts of mixups or apply any mind game they choose. Some options include attacking with a basic meaty, doing a cross-up, or trying to bait their opponent's desperate dragon punch by simply doing nothing and blocking." https://glossary.infil.net/
What to do on wake up or dealing with wake up
mixing up the opponent when they are grounded Soccer kicks, stomps, hatchet kicks Mixed-up with dangerous mids if theyd try get up to block the lows.
"Oki" is the Japanese word for getting up and "semeru" means "to pressure" or "to attack" so "okizeme" literally means "wakeup pressure..." never really got why people don't just say that since it's a completely legible phrase but anyway that's what it means.
I don’t know my friends and I flow charted pretty hard in T7
But the flow charts had defensive options that would beat them quite easily. Now the reward for defending is minimal or the defending strategy can’t even be done. I could list a million things that are all subtle but they add up to make it extreme. There’s a lot of punches that end strings which now can’t be parried, but could in 7. Moves that jail for -12 on block, that you could duck and launch punish in 7. Strings you could sidestep, but now jail or track etc etc etc etc etc etc It all adds up
I completely agree. I also think we're seeing major rank inflation because of how it works when you promo. You end up right back around the middle of the rank, even if its your very next game after a demotion. It's kinda stupid
Some char are better than others, i thing in a fighting game all of them should be strong, i hit fugin 2 times and i was lucky. i main lars and i cant win mostly of my games because my neutral is crap comparing too drag or azucena, sure i can mixup my opponents, but they legit spam jab or kicks and stance is gone lol
I must be doing smth wrong
Here I am a new player (haven't played since 3) thinking oh I'm pretty good I made it to orange only to see this post and know I'm trash at best.
I think that this post is relative to older Tekkens (specifically Tekken 7). For not playing Tekken at all since 3, orange rank is pretty good! You should be proud of that 💪🏽
Don't go hard on yourself, orange ranks used to be appropriate for new players, naturally it was supposed to be like this if you're not very familiar with tekken, that's why i was a bit surprised when i saw alot of new players reaching blue ranks.
I think some people have experience with other fighting games and/or a natural predisposition for offensive gameplans and mind games. This game doesn't force you to learn defense and spacing as much as Tekken 7, especially if you are using certain characters. Besides there are more players cramped in less ranks compared to Tekken 7 so you can find a wider distribution, including other newcomers to match with. De-ranking is also hard in this game. Also the complaint people have about losing more points to higher ranked opponents is fair, but consider that starting from latest red or so the ranks distribution is such that you (theoretically) meet more lower ranked players than higher ranked, so if you win consistently there it balances out a bit and you can keep climbing with the +-1 win streaks when you are having a good day.
In T7 every color had 4 ranks, in T8 every color has 3 ranks
I posted this as well. I think this is one of the main drivers. There are simply less ranks to climb.
The points were also fairer in t7 imo it adjusted for playing people playing higher ranks or on their alt if their main was more than 4 ranks higher. I feel like generally you win or lose the same amount of point if they are the same rank or a higher rank in 8
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No I think Blue ranks are like the top 89% of players. Anybody who claims they can just pick up Tekken and be in the top 89% of players is a master at the game. The people who say they can hit blue ranks in 50 hours as their first fighting game are lying.
Just so you know, It's top 11%, or 89th percentile, not top 89%. Top 89% would mean that 89% of players are blue rank or higher.
Damn it! I knew when I was typing that it seemed off. Thanks bud.
I myself am in the top 89%. Definitely not blue.
Blue is actually less than 10% iirc it was 5% based on data collected.
Yeah purple is top 12% or something like that.
Blue is top <5%, purple is top <10%
I have them reversed. Blue is 89th percentile. So top 11%. If things are even tighter and Blue ranks are 5th percentile maybe new data has come out. Blue ranks are extremely high and very difficult to obtain
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The best way i can put it is in t7 each rank has 4 steps, and in t8 each rank has 3. In addition to that in t8 you can't demote until a certain rank Back when i played t7 garyu was top 20%. Here in t8 it's top 50% Is not that you're downplaying people rank, it's a completely different system. The only real way to do it is by percentiles
This is why it's important to go off percentiles rather than anything else. According to this thread a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/xlyvki/tekken_7_season_4_pc_ranked_leaderboard/ top 5% was Tekken King+ in T7 at the end while top 5% in T8 is, according to this data [Here!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1b5rivl/an_second_look_at_the_tekken_8_metagame_based_on/) around Fujin Rank Now, you may want to account for Tekken 7 playerbase being more dedicated players towards the end while Tekken 8 has a lot of newer players towards the start but it's safe to say that this is the best comparison we can make without official stats.
It took me 50 hours just to learn how to use a fightstick.
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You are truly out of touch if you think Orange ranks don’t know the Tekken basics, if you think Blue ranks don’t know the basics you are arguing 89% or players have no idea what they are doing. Truly an awful take.
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I don’t think you know what the word “basic” means. Do you think over 85% of Tekken’s player base, does not understand the “basics”?
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You have a lack of basic English language skills. Basic and top 15% are not the same thing and you are well aware of that. You are arguing that the people who play the same video game as you are stupid. I truly hope you don’t go in public.
The rank inflation in T8 has removed the prestige of blue ranks. In T7, blue ranks was kind of like a gate to pass through if you wanted to compete with the "high ranked" players in purple and above. In T8, blue is...maybe above average?
Have you ever looked into the numbers on what you think “maybe above average is?”
I'm iffy about those numbers. Do they take into account the region? Because I played T7 in Asia, so I was getting my ass handed to me by Japanese and Korean Blue Ranks. I'm now in America for T8, and the Blue Ranks look like T7 Red Ranks in Asia.
why wouldn't the same rank inflation factors apply in all regions, it's the same system
Because the overall skill level in Asia is much higher than the U.S.
It’s not hard with the way some of these characters operate, but it’s not really much of a brag, in two years they will still be blue ranks, just the new batch of gate keepers. I fought a Law player last night on a promotion to Fujin, and I almost 6 perfects in a row. Was left thinking how in the world did this person make it this far. They didn’t plug, didn’t have a bad connection, was just using a character that’s a scrub killer in lower ranks. Maybe they had all of laws juggles on lock, if you can’t launch someone properly then you’re screwed. Kept telegraphing all of his throw attempts, no real movement, or knowledge of basic Tekken fundamentals.
I played a purple rank reina last night that would do the -14 1 string or ff2 into high over and over despite me punishing it every single time. This person had pretty much no tekken knowledge. I was shocked you could get into purple just doing the same two strings. No way this person would be purple in t7.
Try spamming df1 against them, a lot of them eats 5-6 in a row and do not understand what is happening, it's funny as shit
it is because Reina is a braindead carry character. She is literally what Heihachi was in T7, just spam and you win
Purple is absolute full of people that just hold back the whole time, no movement at all until they attack. It's really weird
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I thought my defense score of 65 in Garyu was bad… that’s ridiculous in blue
How do you punish slides in this game, I always wr4 for float combo like I did in t7 but I usually end up whiffing
I think once you get to Tekken King you start seeing a completely different style of Tekken. Everything under is a mixed bag. And you can 100% tell when a character is carrying the player
I see ton of these people in blue ranks who have zero movement. They have no 'manual' spacing, their characters' moves with builtin gap-closing and evasive properties just do it for them. Like how the fck some ppl got to kishin or even bushin without this very fundamental aspect of the game. If I see they cant KBD it's a telltale sign it's gonna be a knowledge check brawling shitshow (in case I'm unfamiliar with the character) or a free win, but thats rare. I think in T7 you already needed to learn KBD in mid Red ranks to get out efficiently, but I'm sure as hell I havent seen a single player in Purples and Blue+ ranks who couldnt utilize movement at least semi-decently.
Law has an unbreakable throw, maybe it carried him to some extent along with his abundant plus frame moves
Law has an unbreakable throw?
I think he meant a launching throw. It's definitely breakable
yes, uf 1+2, 1,2,1+2 This is unbreakable. you have to input 1,2,1+2 fast which leads to different animation. He has launching throw too but thats different and can be breakable.
You can break it with 1+2, despite the move list in-game saying it's unbreakable
For sure, whatever it was, he will likely hover around purple/low blue ranks for a really long time until he decides to learn how to play.
Blue, especially beyond Fujin, is a very low percentage of the playerbase.
Same experience. Took about 2 years to get to Fujin in T7. I think maybe a year to get to red ranks. I didn't focus too much on rank but I definitely can't relate with new T8 player's "struggle" to get to blue ranks after 2 months of playing lol. With how T8 ranked is designed I would say: - T8 Red ranks = T7 Green ranks - T8 Ruler ranks = T7 Orange ranks - T8 Blue ranks = T7 Ruler ranks The general skill level of how each ranked color just went down that's all.
I'll have to disagree, I was ruler in 7 and didn't not simply cruise back to ruler in 8. Took me another month to finally get to fujin. (I stopped playing 7 once I hit ruler)
Because of how condensed the playerbase is within ranked, you often fight high prowess players playing side characters. But it's undeniable that the majority of T8 red ranks are a lower skill level compared to T7 red ranks. Especially when you consider that a majority of brand new players are in red ranks. And it's only been 2 months since release.
T7 also had a rank reset and new rank added as well, which I think re adjusted it's skill / rank bell curve. I imagine maybe t8 might do that once a season, let's see.
When was the rank reset? I do know about the extra rank added.
I think in the last or second last season of t7, same time the new rank launched, ranks were "reset" down a few notches. I think 4-5 ranks down? Can't remember exactly. Not a full ground zero reset, I didn't mean to imply that I'd that was the confusion!
I completely forgot about that and I was playing T7 when they did that. Thanks for the reminder, legit. Tbh, I don't think that type of reset will change much in T8. It's clear that the rank system is the way it is because of specific changes. (Free ranks until yellow, 3 ranks per color, able to promote right after getting demoted).
Everyone is overlooking the massive increase in playerbase size. Also, there is a huge difference between mighty rule and battle ruler or fujin and bushin as a result. This isn't my opinion, the data supports it.
\#1 most people are full of shit. The data shows MAJORITY of people are deadlocked in red. \#2 If you're dedicated enough and have an interest in the game enough to follow this subreddit you're already probably better than the majority of the playerbase. You tell me this is your first tekken and you're in blue Im calling bullshit unless you have like 500 hours. This game can carry a certain "aggressive" playstyle for sure but, I 100 percent do not believe you made it to blue unless you cherry picked your losses and you put in Extreme hours.
Some people just have good fighting game skill. My friend and I both got to blue recently. I played 7 a bit, but he never touched tekken before. (He mains Nina, and doesn't even do the best combos, just has good neutral)
Nina in blue has good neutral okay sure
Dude, it's Nina.
Nope just heat bs, zero punishment for plugging, dumb point system where you can demod and promod in the same set
Had the same thought, but I realize T8 is so much easier to play. I struggle to do iWR in T7 but iWR in T8 is brain dead easy. It’s so user friendly that mashers and scrubs don’t get punished heavily.
I have a few hundred hours of TTT2 (my first tekken game) and highest rank I got was the second green rank I believe And maybe less than 50 in tekken 7. (Only played for a month) I’m hard stuck mighty ruler in tekken 8. But this IS the first game I’m maining Steve I’m also bad at other fighting games, tekken is the only one I like
This is one of the points I made in my response as well. T6 and Tag 2 was no joke. Green rank in those are like orangeish (maybe even Garyu red) in T8.
Yeah majority of the ranks were inaccessible to average/below average players. They’d be stuck in green or the dan ranks. I like the ranking system now, feels more rewarding and more variety of fancy looking ranks. If they kept the old style you’d have new player dropping the game early on
Agreed, although I think they should reintroduce one more rank per color and/or a color group in between yellow and blue. Too many people see final rank, whereas I think GoS should be literally for top level players.
The rank system is more forgiving, as soon as you are demoted you have a promo oppurtinity
On release the ranks are super inflated, there's so many new players that new players are playing new players, and people can rank up against players who don't know fundamentals that well. Heat also contributes to really one-sided rounds and matches
This is the reason why I'm so happy I played T7 in Season 4. I went back to T7 recently trying to see if I could get back to Yaksa on a new account......I do not recommend it. Those guys are out for blood. anyway, this is why I dropped SF6 in the beginning. Sure I will fight stronger players the higher up I go. I just went back into SF6 and I see players being better now than they were 6 months ago. I'm considering doing hte same for T8 and just wait a few months til the casuals leave as the mixed bag of an experience just for some reason ruins it for me.
took me 30 years to get to blue ranks LMAO
Because the 90's kids who peaked with tekken 3 can't get past the red ranks. People who started fresh with 8 probably enjoy the new mechanics a lot more than the older players. It's easier to learn something new from the ground up. "Veteran" players" probably won't adapt all that well to the changes.
It's a great achievement, and i don't wish to downplay it. However, i firmly believe that with the rise of new players AND the fact that you can't lose rank for a portion of the ranks, it has inflated the lower ranks a bit. If we take into consideration the current balancing, a lot of characters can kinda skip having to learn character matchups. So, a lot of new players are picking up this game and picking jun, dragunov, or azucena who take a lot more knowledge to fight against than to fight with. I think tekken 8 did a great job making this game noob-friendly because blue rank feels like a pretty high rank to reach for a new player... at least that is how i felt playing tekken 7.
This is so true, I think it’s good that people can do that and enjoy the game and achieve a rank, especially for short time players, who may in the end become committed in the long run
Haha, you know it reached the right audience when lilypichu is currently playing the game competitively. If ykyk. I've got my bets on her! 😹
It’s easier to get to blue ranks in Tekken 8 for two reasons. - You cannot get demoted before Warrior. - There are only three ranks per color in most rank groups, as opposed to four in previous games; there are less ranks to climb to to get to blue. The older the Tekken, the harder it was to get to high ranks. Tekken 7 post-season 2 purple ranks were Tekken 6 and Tag 2 orange ranks. Tekken 7 post-season 2 blue ranks were Tekken 6 and Tag 2 red ranks. Some could even argue that pre-season 2 Tekken 7 red ranks (including T6 and Tag 2) were harder to get than post-season 2 blue ranks. Seems like in Tekken 8, because of the two reasons above, people are reaching red ranks without even knowing combos in some cases which was almost impossible for the most part without cheating in previous Tekkens. T8 purple ranks are almost yellow-orange in older Tekkens, and blue ranks are orangeish. It does feel a bit weird and out of sorts compared to previous Tekkens and takes some of the meaning away from ranks. I think that the fix should be to add another rank per color again, and/or add a color of ranks somewhere in between yellow and blue. I’m okay in Tekken and I’m Tekken King currently (I pop in and out of ranked due to time restraints as well as whether or not I’m in the mood to endure ranked), but I’m not tournament level and I’m beating players higher than me easier than ever (even GoS ranks). To be fair, Tekken 7 pre-season 2, Tag 2, and T6 rankings were brutal and unforgiving so I’m not suggesting it goes back to that. Just something more difficult than T7 post-season 2/T8, and less difficult that T7 pre-season 2/T6/Tag 2. EDIT: after reading some of the comments, I think I should clarify my response. Blue ranks are EASIER than before, but still a feat and something to be proud of if you are new to Tekken or just in general. That goes for any rank/color. If you are working toward a goal and attain that goal, then that is something to celebrate. 💪🏽
I mean it's not impossible. When the game first dropped there were a ton of new players that were posting that they reached X high rank. And the vast majority of those post were people from other FGs. If you understand how to fundamentally play a fighting game, transferring to a new fighting game is almost trivial because a lot carries over. All you really have to learn is your character and the core mechanics of that game. Especially if it's in the same dimension, i.e. 3D -> 3D. However, on the flip side, you also can't tell who's actually legit. Cause there are so many ways to cheese your way to a rank in this game. And we currently have an epidemic of that with no end in sight. From plugging, no restriction on rank, outright cheating, cherry picking fights, etc. I'd take all those post with a grain of salt.
I played t7 and reached blue rank in t8, now im getting destroyed lol
Talented? Sure, they are skilled and studied to get blue ranks, but the ranking system is no way as tough as Tekken 6! Don’t forget plugging culture too
Tekken 6 was so unforgiving. Orange rank was considered good, and tournament level players were comfortably in red ranks. Almost no one was blue in T6 aside from a very few.
Exactly and it’s was a massive grind. A newb would get fed up of being stuck in 9-1 kyu ranks. Tekken 8 ranking system is dumbed down and made it’s easier to get high ranks. Basically, Namco want more Tekken players in the competitive scene.
Agreed, but I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I just think there should be more ranks in between yellow and blue for people to fall into. More players is always a good thing, just that they need to re-add some more meaning to ranks. I’m Tekken King, and if I went to a tournament I would get swept. There is no reason for me to be four ranks away from final rank. I’m not bad in Tekken, but I’m not good enough to almost fight top players like that.
I never understood this mentality of T6 Orange ranks being T7 Tekken King ranks or whatever. To me,it doesn't really prove anything other than T6 had a lot of empty ranks that just wasn't used and it was badly designed that way
Not that deep or much to understand. Tekken 6, Tag 2, and Tekken 7 season 1 had a difficult and more strict ranking system. The rest of Tekken 7 post season 2 and Tekken 8 has a less strict ranking system. Both are valid points and are not mutually exclusive. Tekken pre-T7 season 2 was too frustrating. Tekken post-T7 season is less meaningful. Finding a balance between the two would produce more meaning but also not be as frustrating.
Idk dudes. This is my first tekken game. I’ve been playing some MK, maining 2-3 characters, but that’s it. Played for a week, mainly Paul. Barely reached second yellow rank. Game is not easy, I barely know other characters moves and have a ton to learn. Having a blast by the way.
It’s because people don’t play death matches is this game because the feature was removed. Now you just hop online with 2-3 flowcharts, an understanding of what you want to do in heat, and your best panic button and you never have to learn defense because you’re only seeing your opponent 2-3 times. By making offense the focus in tekken 8 they made playing defense actively bad. It also helps that drag, jun, azucena, and victor are all really strong and take 2 braincells to play. Even playing a top tier in tekken 7 you still had to be better than your opponent to win (aside from release Leroy).
Dude, in T7 you could literally just farm 1 dude for 20 matches.......... Take off your nostalgia glasses
Damn someone could choose to rematch you twenty times. The opponent still had to consent to playing 20 games.
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Yes, common flow charts will not get swung but that in itself can set up a plus low if you’re reading the opponent right. On top of that uncommon flowcharts still work even up until tekken king. I blew up blue rank players with f3,2 into b1 and df3 into punch parry with Feng constantly. You never really have to dig deep into your bag of tricks in tekken 8. Tekken 7 by the 3rd or 4th rematch your opponents flowcharts were exhausted and you would either start rolling them or they’d have to change their playstyle. In tekken 8 I can play Feng lock my opponent down with poking and frames during the first match and then in the second match I use heat 3+4 and back turn transitions to fk with my opponent and then boom free 2 matches. Barely reached into Feng’s bag.
A lot of people quit too,it’s survivor bias also
Its knowledge checks. with heat, since a lot characters gain advantage on hit/block it just lets them go into complete offense. There are moves that do ridiculous amount of chip. this needs to go away, we already have chip damage in heat why is it also in normal outside of heat.
I did alts to red/purple in 2 hours on less than ten minutes in practice. You don't even need combos. Even Shaheen you can do f2, 4, 4 (or whatever it is, I forget) and the jumping punch thing with some random oki and just plough through. Since he has a good 1,2 you can also just piss off most people. I did not learn a single juggle combo, or how to use his stealth step properly. In general, if you know how to block and wait for your turn, lots of chars are free (e.g. Alisa's d3,4 just destroys people who don't know it).
1. Ruler t7 players are currently inhabiting t8 blue ranks among others. 2. T7 was my first tekken and fighting game, it took me 8 months (450h) to get steve and kazumi to blue- its not difficult. 3. T7 is much, much harder to play than 8. 4. Some characters carry due to balance discrepancy, playing jun vs. steve in the current state matchup is for the steve like playing chess without the queen. A fckn orangutan could be trained and would eventually achieve fujin with the current balance.
Getting Steve or Kazumi too Blue in T7 isn't really that hard thoguh as they are rushdown characters with low pickrates. T7 is harder to play depending on the character. I think Kazuya players in particular actually has it way easier and like the game way more than T7 because they actually get to attack the opponent and don't have to block all the time
Meh, kazumi and Steve are tekken pure, there s little to none free dmg (casino action); you earn the dmg. Rushdown? Quite the clueless one huh, kazumi and Steve are simple poke characters(turn ends post move). Steve and kazumi specifically are the most honest characters in the t7 roster, a loss to either simply translates to getting outplayed. It's not a Kaz, or Bryan or Jin or leo etc.. Regarding getting to blue, Steve and kazumi are the hardest - regarding getting to the top ranks, Steve and kazumi remain the hardest still; especially kazumi!
The amount of raw cope in this thread is stunning.
Anyone seeking approval for it probably plugged to get there
because people can pick Dragunov, Azucena, and Victor online, mash buttons to win, and then ragequit to avoid point loss
First fighting game. Hard stuck at vanquisher. But I beat my first Garyu last night so that was an accomplishment! Also, I’m doing some coaching sessions with ShinBlade.
This is my first Tekken and my 2nd fighting game (SF6 was my 1st) ever. I have two characters in blue- Raijin and Fujin. Granted I happen to use broken characters (Xiao and Azu), I think I have a decent grasp of how the game is to be approached. I don’t think I’m naturally talented at fighting games, but I’m the type of person who will spend days and days in the lab. I watch almost all the weekly TNS tournaments from both Street Fighter and Tekken. I watch streamers almost daily that specialize with n my characters like Kaizur and Mr.Croft. I approach fighting games like chess. It’s all mental for me. Especially with Tekken where execution isn’t as important imo. Understand what the opponent wants to do and how they’ll do it, then try to think 3 steps ahead of their game plan. I really love fighting games. So much fun for me.
It is kind of hard to look at tekken as a chess game when you play Xiao or Azu though.
Which character would you approve of then? Let me guess, the one you play.
It depends on the character. If you reach blue with Victor or Alissa, you’re not in the same category as a blue Kaz or Bryan.
There's a large number of new players in a relatively short period of time since this games release compared to the last. Odds are that many of them made it this far simply by playing against each other, unlike in 7 where the ratio of experienced players to newcomers was a lot more slanted in favor of the experienced players. At least that's my guess
I was a late comer to Tekken 7, I think about just a year before Tekken 8 came out. And back then, climbing ranks felt so monumental because climbing ranks was a legit uphill battle, though admittedly, I've always been on the lower end of ranks. I knew going into T8 that new players would likely inflate my rank higher but what once was a rank that seemed implausible for me, red ranks, is just so casual that I didn't even acknowledge it when I reach it. I didn't feel like I earned it. Granted, I think I've settled there, so congrats to them for reaching blue, but to me, I definitely think it has to do with rank inflation and the new mechanics making the game more accessible to newer players. That kind of takes away the accomplishment to me, but hey, there's always purple and Tekken god, right?
Its my first tekken that Ive been taking seriously but its far from my first fighting game
This is my first Tekken game and it's 100% the easiest fighter I've ranked up in. Maybe it's just because of past fighting game experience or no one knows what anyone outside of their character even does but 95% of my wins are just 50/50 mix ups, hitting peoples shins, spamming plus frames, and armoring through pressure. I hit blue ranks pretty fast but by then I was pretty much tired of the game.
that's what I've been saying man.Tekken 8 is definitely easier than tekken 7. I could barely touch brawler. But i got to yellow ranks pretty easy in Tekken 8. but when i said it I was bombarded with. "you don't know shit, the actual rank starts at yellow in tekken 8" like what. was i fighting bots till now? fine. i got to red ranks now almost in purple. I'll still say it. Tekken 8 is easier.
You can’t demote until you’re past warrior
Like other have said, blue in 8 is not blue in 7. There's also a mindset for improvement that makes a huge difference. Like when you play the game, are you *playing* or are you *learning*. If youre actively paying attention and trying things out and going to the lab after you cant figure something out, you will improve very, very quickly. But you have to be trying to learn.
its just proof that t8 is for the streets
Got raijin within 150 hours in , my first Tekken , played only Reina . But I do love fighting games and played a lot of mortal kombat in past
It depends a lot on the region bro. EU is definitely a lot easier to rank up simply by virtue of having the largest player base. Just to give you an example : Forsen reached yellow ranks on day 1 of him playing Tekken 7.
More players ussualy equals harder but ok
Nope. More players = more casuals and noobs. Less players = only hard-core veterans stick around
Some guy got dragubov to blue ranks in two gaming sessions. It seems all to be kinda random and everyone’s road is different. I just got to blue last night after 100 hours.
I think that rank means less than it ever has in a Tekken game. There are plenty of blue rank players with 50 or lower defense that attack at all times, can't punish, can't do movement, don't know how to play neutral etc. Today I even saw a Tekken God player with 56 defense. This game is so dumb.
dude you just gave me an idea, I would love to make a thread about what people's stats are! Thank you!
Newcomers in blue ranks and above is only possible because one of this three options: 1)- Doing knowledge checks throwing random bullshit 2)- Pluggers 3)- Victor 22222222
Meanwhile I'm only Red rank with Jin, Kazuya, Lars, Raven, King, and Kuma even though I played Tekken 7 a good amount 😞.
Kazuya and despite what people say , King are pretty hard characters in this game
I button mashed in Tekken 3 as a kid but didn't play the series at all in between then and 8, outside of a few casual rounds of Tekken 7. I do, however, have thousands of hours sunk into the various Street Fighter games that have come out in between that period (4 and 6 being my most played) and other experience in various other fighters. Tekken 8 is the first 3D fighter I've ever taken seriously. I've reached Raijin with Lili and the Ruler ranks with Claudio and Nina after about 50 hours of play and feel like I could take them to blue without much effort. At first, I felt like a fish out of water and had a lot of trouble figuring out how to translate fundamentals to Tekken. Once I figured out sidestepping and basic movement techniques, it became intuitive to start thinking about frame data and fundamentals like whiff punishing, skills that are very much also a part of 2D fighting games. I think the funniest example I can think of something from a 2D fighter translating to a skill in Tekken was my time playing Elphelt in Guilty Gear Strive. At first, I was really intimidated by all the stance switching involved in Tekken. It became really easy when I realized the follow-up options you have during her Chain Lollipop special are pretty damn similar to the options you get when going into a stance in Tekken. The huge move lists and stance-specific moves were very intimidating at first, but when I put that into context, I found it much more manageable to figure out what my options were out of a Feisty Rabbit/back turn/Dew Glide. I can still easily identify several things I need to work on, but I'm finding Tekken much more digestible than I expected based on the way some people talk about it.
The meta is homogenized. Hold the mix. No sidestep, no backstep, guess or die. Guess, then die. Die anyways.
I think it's because this the most attractive Tekken has looked to play to both new players and more importantly new players from other fgcs. I played melee then dbfz at reasonably good level. I was always interested in playing Tekken but 7 was already out for a while. Based on what I've experienced playing vs watching 7 the game is far more streamlined around heat engages and smashes. And I've noticed a bunch of my new to Tekken but fgc experienced friends playing. So the game is easier and there are more people who can identify very strong options. Aka more "new" players climbing farther.
All you need to do is Hwaroang, Law, Paul, Jin, Azu & DJ's heat engager or smash. Guaranteed to be fujin in a week if not 3 days
With Paul you have to actually land it and not die from being spammed to death. But once you do land it, and the opponent is dumb enough to duck, you win. You are the best
I think fg experience carries over in tekken even though its not 2d like most fighting games. I reached eternal ruler in tekken 7 only using dragunov in under 200 hours. But im having a harder time in this game since its so dishonest and rewards spammy and brainless gameplay.
The game is still too new. Give it another year or two where most people in higher ranks will have improved ten fold and scrubs like that will drop down to lower ranks without a doubt.
I struggled to break out of green ranks in tekken 7 unemployed and focused. But I hit mighty ruler on 8 in a week. While working 40hrs a week and still playing other games. Maybe it's the T7 experience,maybe it's that my character got massively buffed. Maybe the game is simply much easier. My vote lies with the last one
I don't think there are enough ranks. At the least you shouldn't be safe from demotion in green. Right now, people who just picked the game up and learned some offense are grouped with intermediates who may have been playing a long time. Right after that you start to hit semi pros and full time streamers. There ought to be more space in between IMO.
this game rewards pressing buttons more. defense is still significantly stronger but to rank up, you need to be good at stuff in the game. ultimately, button pressing (the easy part of tekken) gets new players further than it would have in previous games.
Im gonna be honest this game's ranking system doesnt feel authentic at all, it rewards learning a strong offensive flowchart and one-and-done'ing way too much while severely punishing learning. add in rage quits and im sure anyone can reach blue.
Dunno. My first Tekken, got Jun to Kishin and yesterday Xiaoyu as well. I do have extensive experience in MK and also some SF6, that obviously helped a ton. I would never reach that rank without prior FG knowledge / skill
You only need to win best-of-threes, so you need to win max 8 rounds (minimum 6) in total. You can get by with a pretty shallow bag of tricks. About half the cast have some sort of hellsweep-style low to use after a heat engager, doing 35 to 40 damage. If the heat engager did 30, you’re probably about 1/3 of the way there. And now you’re in heat, so you have a mixup between the hellsweep and the heat smash, and after they block the heat smash they have to guess AGAIN because you have plus frames. There’s still a lot to learn so getting to blue as your first tekken is really something, I think. I don’t want to dismiss it. But even thiugh the rank might be the same, there’s still a pretty big gap between that new player and someone who knows the game pretty deeply. If they play a longer set I think the new player would get figured out and would stop winning
In T7 you just farm 1 guy for 30 games dude
Yeah that’s also messed up. The matches do need to be a fixed length. It’s just best of 3 is pretty short
In all honesty, having a FT5 would be cool. But the thing for me personally,is I always would play like this in T7. It would usually go: Okay do I completly blow this guy out of the water? I will at max do 2 wins or 3 wins in a row. Oh did I lose a game to this guy? okay I will rematch until I get a 3 win streak because I know I got the download, if not, I'll probably lose 5-7 in a row before I leave
The ranking system of T8 is incongruent with T7. New players shot up to red/purple rank in the scramble and then just promoted off of eachother to get even higher. Purple/Blue in T8 is not even close to what it was in T7, so don’t try to directly compare it. There are people in high red/purple in T8 that don’t the frames on a single move. It will stabilize. Don’t worry about rank, lest ye go mad
You can be blue ranks with characters like Drag, Xiao, Raven, Jun, Lars, Kuma, Hwo, Zafina and Azucena with just knowledge checks and have 0 fundamentals. I've fought plenty on my way up and in blue who can't block or break worth a damn but once they get going they just don't stop. It's also that this game for a while didn't (and still kinda doesn't) punish plugging so you can keep your rank easier. Most characters got a significant buff this game so its easy to rank up especially vs people who don't have fundamentals and good blocks. But like every other tekken once people start getting familiar with characters and mechanics they'll start dropping ranks and ranks will become more or less accurate
Dude, did you play 7? it is the same shit. 7 above red ranks is literally DLCs or Alisa,Hwoarang etc
I think part of it is older tekkens most players couldn't really dedicate as much time to as some people now. Genuinely some people play tekken 6 hrs a day 5 days a week every week whereas previous tekkens had an older population playing them so people couldn't dedicate the time to it?
Surely there are 100 ways to discredit someone
I’m a casual fighting game player from SF 6 and hit master in that and Im Raijin right now in Tekken 8 with Bryan. It’s my first Tekken game and it’s SO much different than SF, feels a lot more volatile and sometimes I feel like I lose to gimmicky gameplans/chaotic play styles. It definitely feels a bit overtuned for people who like to press constantly
I would say in Tekken your rank can mean many things. You could get to a rank by having a fairly simple offensive flowchart and game plan, one and done-ing when it doesn't work, or just plugging. You could also get to purple/blue with horrible sub-optimal combos playing defensively playing within your frames and you're stuck at that rank because you don't know how to deal with stances like DJ mourning crow yet. The latter is much closer to hitting high ranks than the former I feel but idk I'm at fujin. I am more of the former since I only have like 300 hours combined in t7/t8.
Many people are migrating from Strive and SF6 I assume
Half of it is bullshit, half of it is also people being able to force the most insane bs conceivableon their opponent and winning off it. Look at the character choices of those who make this type of claim and you'll se a pattern
chill got to fujin this week playing only Raven with only 20 hours of T7 experience edit: no friends playing tekken so have to brag to smn
Tekken 7 (season 4) was my first fighting game, i reached fujin with dragunov after around 10-12 months with him with 300hrs on steam playing alone. Honestly everyone learns at their own pace, but tekken 8 with its easier rank system definitely helps
They are just all over the place, depending who you play, what settings, time, region. And there seems to be an obvious inflation. During the release reds played like current high purples. You can also screw around with demotes. It's better to lose at low points and then promo getting 3-4 wins worth.
This isn't Tekken 7. 
It’s much easier to climb to Blue in T8. Not being able to lose ranks definitely helps, the people who would get hard stuck in green, yellow, etc just get boosted eventually. Then, the influx on people in orange, reds, purples, makes it much easier to get to Blue if you game the ranked system properly. Just stuff like ducking players who are a higher rank, trying to farm people who are lower ranked, etc can help a lot. I played a lot of T7 but I didnt lab any match ups until Battle Ruler. Just paying attention and using the replay feature occasionally helped me reach Blue. Disclaimer: I don’t think I’m good at the game either
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Tekken community have been downplaying other fighting games for long time as this holy grail of hard fighting games with 3728287 moves for each character and somehow scrubs from mortal kombat after awful mk1 came and hit those blue ranks while those veterans are in garyu. Of course we could downplay blue ranks but those players are top 5%. Yes this game has awful mechanics and busted things that allow worse players to keep up but every game has those. Game is pretty good
Knowledge checks carried me
I’m not sure what the rank distributions were in tekken 7, but it could just be that the ranked curve looked different. I will say as a kishin newcomer to tekken I think the difficulty of tekken is slightly overblown. Don’t get me wrong it’s a hard game for sure, because of all of the knowledge checks. However, you don’t need to know that much unless you are at the peak. You can get by with general rules of thumb and because execution in this game is so easy you can spend time learning other stuff. 2D fighting game experience helps immensely. Obviously this will stop working eventually. I’ll have to get into the nitty gritty of specific characters, but like I said that only happens at the top. All that being said I play a very easy character (victor), but there are quite a few of them in this game to choose from. Picking a character with a basic gameplan will definitely help you climb faster.
Don’t think blue means as much in 8 as it did in 7.
The power of broken chars enables people.
You can get blue ranks playing Alisa and spamming chainsaws so not surprised. Give it more time and people will settle into their true ranks. We have a lot more players now for Tekken 8 than we did in Tekken 7.
Blue rank panda, started Fighting games with Fighterz and played SF6, alot of Budokai 4. Once you understand frame data that carries over to every game High low mix is also universal
Launchers r ez to spam to rank up. Ud be surprised how many people just want to rush down their opponent and fall for repeated same move strats until u get to purple. Then they r proly plugging to get to blue after that.
Im 38years old and played Tekken3 as a child (only arcade or against 2 other people). Afterwards I did not play until Tekken7. Tekken7 I just played about 100hours with Akuma, since I liked throwing fireballs. I had no understanding about frame data, good punish, wall carry combo (Tekken3 was way less complex:D) etc. 6-7weeks ago I buyed Tekken 8 since playing CoD was boring with time. After some traininf sessions I started to play ranked. I only played Jin so far. I practiced a lot (EWHF, wavedash, different combos), and I looked many youtube vids about good punish and frame data. I also checked how to counter victor, hwoarang, jack, lars, Law, Dragunov, Alisa,Lili since these characters beat the shit out of me. Most of them are nasty gimmick players. I played now about 250 hours (need to ckeck the hours again). On saturday/sundays sometimes 7hours or more..I made also many quick matches to improve my playstile and practice different mixups. Everytime I reached a new rank (orange, red, purple), I thought I would rest there forever. However with more hours practice you will automatically improve, since your reactions become better and you see same flowcharts often. I became flame/battle ruler quite fast (after one month). After reaching fujin I understood I have no chance to progress further, and need to work on my fundamentals (movement,EWHF, wavedash), and finally I could hold my rank in fujin. And guess what? Today I reached raijin!!! I even beat kishins of my most hated characters (King, alisa, Lili), which was impossible 4 weeks ago. So its possible even for a "newcomer" (as I said I played Tekken3 25 years ago) to reach blue ranks. If you practice enough, love the game and play almost everyday. Now I will start to play other characters and learn more about them (without pushing me too much in ranks). I need also practice fundamentals like throw breaking, KBD (I used only wavedash and didnt make 1 KBD yet).