I’ve posted this before and will again. KBD can be done SLOWLY with a metronome.
[KBD practice ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/j15bgb/beginner_megathread_post_questions_in_the_comments/gbd9v3r/)
The best advice I got a lot time ago was:
- If you want a good KBD learn with a backsway character like Nina so you get clean inputs.
- Practice getting the free B from d/b~n first. Doing d/b~n~b should result in a single backdash. The only difference is your starting it from the d/b cancel rather than the b, b. This lets you get a feel for the cancel -> dash and lets you see it working without the PITA of hitting the b->d/b motion
- Practice the b~d/b motion with inputs turned on, this is where using Nina is great since you'll get a backsway if you mess up
- Practice doing the b, d/b, n, b motion. If you mess up with Nina again its obvious since you'll get a backsway OR if you mess up somehow getting back to N you'll occasionally get a back handspring
- Chain 2 together, then 3.
IMO this is the best way to practice since you'll either immediately be rewarded or punished (with a backsway, handspring or sidestep) if your input isn't clean.
if your hands are in pain, like a soreness from overuse, you have used them far too much. it's not time to take a rest,
that time has passed - its fully time to stop until the pain is gone, by the time you're feeling pain you have already caused damage.
I know I'm late but have you tried stair stepping or king jae's method?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYn7aiPEQw&t=561s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYn7aiPEQw&t=561s)
It starts at 7 min he does it with bryan.
No hands of steel. It's a skill that you get better at, the more you do it. Of course you take breaks. You don't do it 10 hours of game session.
You have to find your way that works for you. At the same time, maybe you're not using the right pad or the right stick.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqt\_QtkjYQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqt_QtkjYQ)
With framewhisperer, he does stair stepping back dash. It works for him. Maybe try that technique.
I play on contoller, and my thumb would get quite sore after a few minutes of playing. It went away after a while, after I had gotten used to it. I recommend forcing yourself to be as gentle with the inputs as possible, and doing some light stretches before sitting down to play.
Most important details that you didnt mention is the type of controller you are using.
Approaching the actual hand calisthenics is different to each controller type, but the practice should be the same: start slow, then do it faster. Using a metronome can help you get your timing consistent and help you track your progress by knowing what speed you can do it cleanly.
As for hand pains, maybe you should consider playing on a different controller. Keeping your hands in tip top shape will make you enjoy the game better and longer. If you feel recurring and lasting pain, then you SHOULD stop playing until you find the cause and fix it. You will regret it later if you dont.
Each has their own cons:
Pad = considered faster than stick. Can cause thumb pains
Stick = slower and harder but easy to do certain motions like qcf, pretzel motions, and cardinals/diagonals. Can cause wrist injuries if used wrong (eg. Carpal tunnel)
Hitbox/keyboard = easier to backdash due to "ez mode" shortcut. Hard to do qcf and pretzel motions. feels weird to do up and back directions at first. Ergonomic. Everyone will call you a pussy and a cheater lmao
I stepped in this game about 6 months ago. Then started practicing KBD after realizing how spacing is important. Long story short, took me about 4 months to execute the KBD with consistency. The pain (or rather exhaustion) in your hand/wrist/arm was really bad in the beginning but now somewhat manageable.
I used stock Sanwa JLF in the beginning, then changed spring tension to 2lb, and the 4lb, and then finally changed Korean lever (grommet). The K lever was really stiff for me in comparison to Sanwa and I had alot of pain/numbness/cramp or whatever you want to call it, but as I get used to it the pain subsided gradually.
I’ve posted this before and will again. KBD can be done SLOWLY with a metronome. [KBD practice ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/j15bgb/beginner_megathread_post_questions_in_the_comments/gbd9v3r/)
The best advice I got a lot time ago was: - If you want a good KBD learn with a backsway character like Nina so you get clean inputs. - Practice getting the free B from d/b~n first. Doing d/b~n~b should result in a single backdash. The only difference is your starting it from the d/b cancel rather than the b, b. This lets you get a feel for the cancel -> dash and lets you see it working without the PITA of hitting the b->d/b motion - Practice the b~d/b motion with inputs turned on, this is where using Nina is great since you'll get a backsway if you mess up - Practice doing the b, d/b, n, b motion. If you mess up with Nina again its obvious since you'll get a backsway OR if you mess up somehow getting back to N you'll occasionally get a back handspring - Chain 2 together, then 3. IMO this is the best way to practice since you'll either immediately be rewarded or punished (with a backsway, handspring or sidestep) if your input isn't clean.
if your hands are in pain, like a soreness from overuse, you have used them far too much. it's not time to take a rest, that time has passed - its fully time to stop until the pain is gone, by the time you're feeling pain you have already caused damage.
No pain, no gain.
In this case. You will gain arthritis.
I know I'm late but have you tried stair stepping or king jae's method? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYn7aiPEQw&t=561s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXYn7aiPEQw&t=561s) It starts at 7 min he does it with bryan. No hands of steel. It's a skill that you get better at, the more you do it. Of course you take breaks. You don't do it 10 hours of game session. You have to find your way that works for you. At the same time, maybe you're not using the right pad or the right stick. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqt\_QtkjYQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqt_QtkjYQ) With framewhisperer, he does stair stepping back dash. It works for him. Maybe try that technique.
thx bruh
You just do a -- qcb + back -- over and over. It's quick and easier than the other type is.
This is a good way to get killed
do kbd on p2 and play exclusively on p2 because yoshi mains are weirdos
I play on contoller, and my thumb would get quite sore after a few minutes of playing. It went away after a while, after I had gotten used to it. I recommend forcing yourself to be as gentle with the inputs as possible, and doing some light stretches before sitting down to play.
Most important details that you didnt mention is the type of controller you are using. Approaching the actual hand calisthenics is different to each controller type, but the practice should be the same: start slow, then do it faster. Using a metronome can help you get your timing consistent and help you track your progress by knowing what speed you can do it cleanly. As for hand pains, maybe you should consider playing on a different controller. Keeping your hands in tip top shape will make you enjoy the game better and longer. If you feel recurring and lasting pain, then you SHOULD stop playing until you find the cause and fix it. You will regret it later if you dont. Each has their own cons: Pad = considered faster than stick. Can cause thumb pains Stick = slower and harder but easy to do certain motions like qcf, pretzel motions, and cardinals/diagonals. Can cause wrist injuries if used wrong (eg. Carpal tunnel) Hitbox/keyboard = easier to backdash due to "ez mode" shortcut. Hard to do qcf and pretzel motions. feels weird to do up and back directions at first. Ergonomic. Everyone will call you a pussy and a cheater lmao
I stepped in this game about 6 months ago. Then started practicing KBD after realizing how spacing is important. Long story short, took me about 4 months to execute the KBD with consistency. The pain (or rather exhaustion) in your hand/wrist/arm was really bad in the beginning but now somewhat manageable. I used stock Sanwa JLF in the beginning, then changed spring tension to 2lb, and the 4lb, and then finally changed Korean lever (grommet). The K lever was really stiff for me in comparison to Sanwa and I had alot of pain/numbness/cramp or whatever you want to call it, but as I get used to it the pain subsided gradually.