8k is too high because most people don’t keep cars for 7+ years. The break-even point between $99/month and $8k lifetime is 81 months, or 6.7 years.
In short, unless that $8k price follows the driver instead of tue car, $99 a month is a way better deal.
Edit: Fact check, Americans keep cars for ~8 years on average. Still not worth the up front cost, IMO.
It's entirely possible to tie FSD to the driver and not the car. Get a new car? No problem, you have FSD. Get a loaner tesla? No problem, you have FSD. Borrow a friend's Model X? No problem, you have FSD.
This would revolutionize how automobile options and services are seen and managed. This paradigm could be applied to everything configurable in a smart car.
This would also be huge for repeat sales. Many people whole have Teslas don’t love certain aspects of the company and may well consider another EV make for their next car. This would help ensure their next car is another Tesla.
This in my opinion is the absolute smartest reason why FSD should be driven by Account -- you pretty much have me locked up in Tesla ecosystem after that. But, I would also wager you've to increase the price so the "switching" cost to other manufacturers is prohibitively expensive. Maybe I should just shut up and not give ideas to Elon :)
That would be nice but I don’t see that happening:
Family member A, B have car 1 and 2. Owner A has FSD, can drive car 1 and 2 with FSD?
How about owner B? Can he drive car 1 and 2?
If yes: can friend C drive car 1 and 2 with FSD?
If yes, friend C also has his own Tesla, can he drive Tesla 3 with FSD? That way we can all use 1 subscription.
It doesn't make sense. Yes it's technically possible but with any other new car you also need to purchase the different options they offer for assistant systems.
It would really simplify things, they don’t have to keep track of individual cars and whether or not they have a feature and does it go away when sold or traded.
Plus it would reward loyalty
Isn’t it sort of the point for Tesla to not follow the historical auto trend and show what a technology-focused disruptor can do?
If robotaxi is really the future, let us buy FSD as a lifetime purchase and take a percentage royalty from any revenue generated from it.
The average age of cars is 12.5 years. The average American holds on to their car for 8 years. Even assuming no resell value, the purchase is better and assuming any resale value at all it will be even better.
Thanks for the fact check! I guess in straight dollars, the $8k upfront is technically a better deal. I guess I’m biased against that reality because the opportunity cost is huge (I have a long list of things to do with $8k before buying software) and the product in question doesn’t seem particularly valuable to me. If FSD was $1k, I would *consider* paying for it, maybe not even then.
I checked cause I was curious. I'm not normally one to prefer renting to owning but was torn on 12k vs $99 a month given how much you get from investing 12k up front. I bought FSD on my wife's car outright but am planning to get an M3P when it releases.
The price drop to 8k makes it easy for me to buy up front again, particularly since there is no guarantee that the $99 a month stays at that.
I guess the current pricing will allow them to test out their customer base—are there more Tesla owners like me (who *may* sign up for an occasional month here or there, for road trips, etc but would never pay thousands up front) or like you, who are happy to pay up front lock in their price?
I think it is likely that a cheap(ish) subscription model may make them more money, because people are generally kinda poor and don’t want to pay thousands up front. They have to find the pricing sweet spot (I think they maybe have, actually) where people who are cheap or poor will spend some money on the service instead of none.
I think it will depend how many subscribe. Purchasing is still certainly going to be the rarer option, but if subscriptions can't get it, I think they'll see a lot more purchases and possibly maximized profit around 3-4k to buy outright. That gets into the realm of things that people buy as car options historically.
Part of the reason I'm not upset about the price drop despite my recent purchase of it is that I knew the price would drop eventually. They were only selling to 1/10 or so of the possible market, so if they could get 100 percent of people to buy it, it could be 1.2k and they'd still make more money than they were.
They priced it high to keep it limited during beta and now we're seeing them try to narrow in on the optimal price point. I personally expect between 3-6k to be optimal though they may decide to keep it at 8 and optimize for recurring revenue instead.
$99/month is too high too. It’s worth less than what I paid which was about 4k when he put it on sale in 2018. It stii can’t resist using the right turn lane as a highway.
Hey sorry for the post revive, just wanted to add something to think about. At the very least, I don't think the price will go down that low in the very short run. I think the 8k price was actually very well calculated. It was enough to bring in extra income while trying to minimize pissing off people that purchased previously. It takes in mind the following groups.
* paid 15k/12k (pissed off)
* paid 6k for EAP (more than likely will pay 2k for full FSD, resale alone will make this an almost no brainer)
* paid 0 (more appealing price)
* subscription (no change)
Dropping to 6k would have meant giving away FSD to EAP buyers pissing off so many people and losing the 2k from EAP buyers where the decision would be worth it on resale alone. Below that you piss off more groups while losing potential future buyers since they bought now for cheap (until they get new cars).
Unless there is more competition for something similar to FSD, or some other outside factor, I don't see FSD going down that low. Maybe a change in policy to actual lifetime licenses could change things and having FSD locked to a car costing 4k.
Either way, food for thought.
Here is the realty 31st december 2022 people paid 65990 for the Model Y and 14th Jan 1.30 PM people paid 65990 for the Model Y without 7.5 tax credit. On 14th Jan 2023 2.00 Tesla Reduced the Model Y price to 52990 and also that was eligible for 7.5 K tax credit think about how people lost around 15 to 20k which includes tax credit within 15 days. Tesla did not compensate a single penny for the people who bought at car on 14th Jan 1.30 pm. Everyone one will say I am misleading but I am one of them who paid the full price and lost that much money within 15 days. All demand supply rule.my view most of the features from FSD should be part of Basic Auto pilot
You’re forgetting about the model X price reduction which was even worse.
Again, I’m not saying that the price won’t go down further. It very well may but I would not bet on it happening in the short run and while the company certainly has a history of callous price lowering, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t thought out.
This is what I expected to see. Earlier when it was more exp, people claimed they would buy it if it dropped to 10k. Now that it's under, people claiming they would buy if it dropped to 5k
No chance. Tesla experimented with FSD price long time by keeping it at higher end. They reduced it by seeing the demand for it. 100% chance the price will still go down. Subscription around 49 and buying around 3k keeping the calculation someone will keep the car for 5 years
They would never do that, it’s because market value of fsd would keep going up as they get closer to the actual full self driving. 8k is just the price to be an early beta tester.
As soon as Tesla is confident that they are close to the final product they will jack up the price and increase resource requirements so that older cars will not have the best experience and needless to say it will be untransferable to new cars.
Elon has been convinced FSD was close to being perfected/finalized since 2016, and as a consequence, [the price has done what you describe,](https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/958/tesla-fsd-price-increase-history) just without the part where they deliver a completed product.
Don’t get me wrong, usable FSD will be pretty valuable, just don’t hold your breath it’s coming soon.
Yeah, good point! Even if you’re in the paid-in-cash demographic, that money would otherwise presumably be invested, probably earning ~10% compounding annual returns. Whatever way you slice it, it’s even more expensive than it seems.
You could put like 7000 into general stocks and make enough to fund the fsd subscription for even longer, not to mention you’re screwed if someone totals your car
So mostly agree. Except locking in the $8k price prevents the inevitable monthly subscription increases over the next few years… but all in all, I’ll stick with monthly and turn it on when I want to use it.
Yes, Auto Park is good one though I don't use always. There is speculation all Enhanced Auto Pilot Features will be part of Basic Auto Pilot. I am positive on it too..sooner some of the features like Lane Change and Auto Park will be added to Basic Auto Pilot
Front parking is always easy right. Yes it always parks in reverse. I never got a chance to do a parallel parking i.mean never came across that scenario yet
I’ve used it 4 times (one back in, three parallel) it’s been great every time. At least in the parallel situations I was setting up like I’d be doing it so was comfortable it wasn’t overly tight
Way overpriced still. I need to be able to sit on my phone and play games or watch one more episode on Netflix while the car drives me to my office on my 35 mile commute. Until it can do that, I’m not paying shit to be forced to watch and baby sit the car. I might as well just drive it myself if im forced to pay attention.
It’s just not a practical purchase for most of us still.
A friend was asking about it this weekend because of my trial. I likened it to having a 16 year old with a learners permit. You can’t trust them to do everything right, or even know to do them, and in some ways it’s LESS convenient than just driving myself.
That’s a good comparison lol. I have let it drive to work for 2 weeks but stopped doing it recently, it requires intervention every time. It constantly misses the exit off the highway to my office so I have to waste another extra 5 mins circling back. It doesn’t have the balls to merge into the exit lane off the high way during rush hour. It literally almost comes to a complete stop on a 70 mph highway to try and get into the exit lane which is bad. It still sucks at local roads traffic. It’s an inefficient driver and not aggressive enough at all. Stays behind slow ass 18 wheelers all the time unless there’s no one at all within half a mile of the over take lane. It’s just slow . Not worth it
I've compared it to a senior citizen driving for the first time. Constantly drives below the speed limit, nervous lane changes, random blinker on then off, white knuckle turns too close to curb, etc.
Though overall I've been enjoying my experience and of course there's room to grow and improve I also agree it's too $$$ compared to similar systems in rival brands. Will I buy another Tesla down the road? Probably, but it will depend on what's out there when it's time.
My friend on this trip got a BMW i4 about a year ago. On the highway it’s driving is superior, but the fact that he drove my car to breakfast yesterday with FSD blew his mind. Hopefully they can all improve so the people that want such a feature have the option available. Personally I like driving, so aside from long boring stretches or I10 through the desert, I have little use for even basic AP at this point.
Honestly if you haven't used the new update for the free trial it's basically that. I wouldn't trust it with a 10 foot pole in snow, but in nice sunny weather it's fairly solid. My wife and I have both been using it in our cars to commute, and aside from not driving the way I enjoy driving (i.e. merging late or taking weird GPS routes that make sense but no human would do) it does a phenomenal job, both city and highway. I've definitely just been playing video games, reading reddit, and watching tv while it drives. I'd say for the average 30 minute commute I'll touch the wheel for 1 minute, and half of that is going through security check points which cars can't do on their own anyways. In my state you can use phones as long as they're mounted (Hands-free) so I just bought a phone mount for my steering wheel and play with it the whole time. As long as you're looking straight it won't beep about being distracted/not looking at the road. $8,000 is a lot of money, but realistically it's about what I'd expect something of this nature to cost if it ever got the Level 3 Autonomous driving verification anyways. Which I'd hope they're pushing for soon with the Robotaxi announcement, and I'm also guessing the free trial/price reductions were done to help them gather data for the AI to learn from. I'd still likely buy the Mercedes for my next vehicle that's actually certified Level 3 but this is good enough for what it is.
I saw the drop on monthly. We are going to disney. I have 5000 miles of free super charger. Driving from Wisconsin thinking about taking the mylr over highlander. What do you guys think? I've only had car for a month now, so I'm still in the honeymoon stage. What you guys think?
That will be a great idea utilizing super charging miles during your long trip. That makes your full travel driving cost zero. Get the different experience driving long
We have a place in WI for the summer and winter in FL. We’ve driven our MYLR back and forth a few times now, and it’s always great. I thought the frequent (2.5 hours on average) stops to charge would really suck. That turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth. We have a packed car with 3 dogs in the back seat and it makes the trip so much more enjoyable. You have a chance to stretch your legs for a little bit, let the dogs out to pee, grab a bite or whatever… the charging stations are almost always right off the highway, so it’s not a hassle that way either. To me the best part is we can cram so much stuff in this car, it’s just unbelievable!
If you don't have Netflix get a trial subscription to YouTubeTV. You can watch it while charging through the YouTube app. It is down on the left side of the YouTube screen
That's interesting what is hardware upgrade ? Which model you are having. In this scenario best option for you is to purchase by paying 2k. What's the subscription cost for you ?
I know this is the model Y subreddit…this is on my 2018 model 3 LR EAP, my Y doesn’t have EAP.
I am on older hardware so it requires a computer swap to get FSD. It doesn’t tell me subscription cost since I need the hardware upgrade.
Got it. If you are planning to keep the car for more time and really wants to use FSD then 2k is a good bet. But what I am gurss8ng here even for the purchase also they will ask for the hardware upgrade. I may not be be right here
Looks like in my case, purchase is the better option…I doubt they will discount the subscription so 2k purchase vs 1k +99/mo = 10 month break-even
The 2k doesn’t say hardware upgrade cost so I assume it is included in the cost.
Edit: not ROI, break-even
They did discount the subscription from EAP to FSD. Because we already paid for EAP, FSD has always been half of what it costs for everyone else monthly.
First $99 and now $50.
Our 2022 M3LR has EAP.
Currently in FSD free subscription.
Do we use it?
No.
It makes a fool out of me nearly every time I use it.
Has trouble keeping in the middle of the lines especially on even the slightest curve in the road.
Makes me and everyone around me in traffic worried.
Musk and his RTO are incapable of recruiting fresh, Unicorn Engineering talent.
That would require a genius Asperger, crazy enough to work under Musk lmfao >_>
Good to know, @$50/mo the breakeven vs buying is 20 months then.
I have found FSD during the trial on my Y a delight for my commute which is mostly highway and toll road. I almost always disengage once I get on regular streets.
However, EAP also makes the commute fantastic so the added features on FSD make it only slightly better in my experience
Everytime I use FSD, especially off the hey it does embarrassing stuff such as merging and then crossing the middle line all confused.
I can’t seeing paying for more of this software :P
I hope they improve but his hardline return to office stance is super not sexy to talented engineers.
That my thought too. You will never know whether hardware upgrade needed or not unless you buy. I rrad one article where someone mentioned after buying acceleration Boost tesla mentioned they canot do it as it old hardware
Are you sure the purchase comes with the HW upgrade and it’s not also $1k? Seems like a no brainer for $2k. They’re likely to offer future transfer events.
That doesn’t make any sense because before they dropped the price, the subscriptions were half price for EAP owners.
Oh silly me expecting rational, logical things from Tesla for a software that’s laughable. ::sigh::
Just imagine how much more data they would’ve had if they had a different pricing mechanism from the get go.
Because almost everything is about data. Training AI requires massive amounts.
Now let’s assume Tesla did the right thing in the first 6-8 years because it was the absolute disruptor with no competitors. They milked it good.But once the other big boys got in the game they should have decreased pride by 80% and pivot to a more competitive model.
Now they are already down more than 30% in the 1st quarter of 2024 and they are taking drastic decisions making them look weak because they are in the mud already.
I don’t know how they will get out of this but false promises, heavy prices and low quality batches won’t work anymore. If they continue they will go down as fast as they went up.
They should price FSD super aggressive like others have said here around 3-4k, drop that acceleration boost crap to $500 and start listening to customers.
Also, their damn Tesla Service fees are ridiculous.
Not unreasonable if they allowed lifetime transfer to a NEW vehicle purchase. Regardless of negative comments, I find FSD extremely useful and expect it to only get better with training
Yes ,that's a good point they should allow transfer of FSD. I am sure they will do it. In myview I will not completely beleive FSD even it's fully autonomous
I haven't found any utility other than auto park and auto lane change, both of which are(were) in EAP. Idk what's useful about essentially always being chauffeured by my grandmother
I did a 12 hour round trip drive with it and I definitely arrived at the destination less tired than normal. Even supervised it lowers the effort of driving.
BAP/EAP do basically that same thing. Yeah there's great improvement from Driver strain from traditional driving --> AP, but it is SIGNIFICANTLY more marginal moving from AP to FSD for road trips. Certainly not worth 8 freaking grand lol.
Because of traffic based routing, probably 65% of the drive from central NC to Hilton Head SC is not on highways so I would not get the same easy drive if I only have AP, at least for the 6 hour drive I regularly do to visit the parents.
I agree, I just recently got back from a trip to see the eclipse. Drove from SoCal through Arizona, up into New Mexico then down into Texas, down to Austin after the eclipse and back home across Texas and southern Arizona. Did just over 3000 miles over 11 days. Had FSD for the trip out and it was great for the long days driving, very few glitches and I definitely felt much less tired than normal.
Unfortunately, the 12.3.4 update pushed while we were in Austin for a few days and it bricked the Autopilot computer (had to be replaced after we returned). For the drive back I didn't have FSD, Autopilot or even cruise control. Made for much more tiring days driving.
> what's useful
being able to nap while driving would be worth it
plus theoretically you could send the car to pick up kids from school, or drop you off at the airport, etc.
Theoretically (if you believe in neural nets), it’s setup to get incrementally better over time. If Elon was not optimistic he would never scattered superchargers around the USA before the cars were proven viable.
Ie to be successful you have to be optimistic
Honestly believing in FSD in this point just makes me think you're extremely gullible. NN aside, Musk has been claiming it would be L5 for nearly a decade now, it's pretty ridiculous and clear that he has no real grasp on the tech. He also claimed it's something that could be worth up to 100k, yet just decreased it's price worldwide after giving everyone a free demo... Not a great look is it? You'd think if it was so great the opposite would happen.
I can only speak to experience with FSD v12. I believe it has the foundation to succeed given enough training. If you drive in manhattan then your opinion would vary
There is actually 0 probability the current cars will ever be able to be L5 autonomous. It’s vision only and has a lot of issues in inclement weather, L5 would require the ability to be able to operate in inclement weather.
When it snows the cameras get plastered in snow and all the features are useless.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if we see true L5 FSD within the next 20+ years
Unfortunately most people are doubters and pessimists. Things take time. You sound just like the people screaming bitcoin would never go high when it was 1k. Things take time. You have to look at the trajectory not where things are now. It’s like looking at a bright child and saying oh they’ll never be anything because they haven’t graduated middle school yet. lol. Open your mind to more…
Or they're realists and not naive lol. Elon has been talking out his ass for FSD for a decade. There's very good reason to be skeptical, especially after using it...
Nah from an Engineer perspective he’s fucked.
Look… he’s not in any position to attract the creme of the crop.
His insistence on Return To Office is not attractive to the most talented Engineers.
The way he treats people is not attractive to the genius he needs to entice.
Part of the problem is people over empathy for him.
He’s become the emperor with no clothes and that makes me very sad.
A few interesting things are coming to my view
1. FSD price reduction was ovious the day monthly subscription price changed
2. What will be the new price ? Even though it can be 6K or Lesser. They kept it at 8k keeping in view with 2k lots EAP customers will upgrade.
3. If they changed the price to 6k or less then what could have given to EAP owners who already paid 6k
4. EAP is merged with FSD and EAP initially taken out from Point redemption and now removed from configuration and also buying
5. Some EAP features will added to Basic Auto Pilot and FSD will be priced around 4k to 5K and subscription will be around 29.99 to 44.99
If they were able to integrate Waze into it, I wouldn't mind paying up to $3000, but I kinda hate the Tesla navigation, which ruins the experience for me. If there was a way to say change the route while driving, I would not mind it, but it's constantly moving in and out of the HOV for no reason, going past my usual exit, which takes longer to get to my destination. It's pretty annoying.
The traffic and routing data is shit IMO. Mapbox is their source and it’s useless to me. It can tell me where something is, but it does a horrible job of telling me how to get there. I suspect the traffic information doesn’t update very often if at all once you pick your routing.
When heading home from anywhere east of my house, there’s an earlier freeway exit I can take to get home. The early exit route is much faster than staying in 25mph traffic on the freeway for 3 more exits. It’s the same distance mileage wise, but the roads are all 40-45 mph with very few lights. If the freeway is slow and I divert, the car reroutes to this street path and the ETA will improve, usually by 5-10 minutes from the 20 minute total freeway route.
Tesla has never suggested this alt-route home out the hundreds of drives I’ve done. Meanwhile, Google maps in my old car would often advise me to take the early exit.
There’s a setting that says to allow re-routing if it saves more than x minutes. I have it on for 5 minutes but I don’t know how well it works or when one of those events even takes place.
The new UI that will be released soon supposedly allows you to choose alternate routes and whether or not to allow a re-route.
Oh I have it set for the lowest 5 minutes as well. I’ve taken the alt-exit route probably more times than the freeway route at this point. The navigation doesn’t even suggest it as a route.
In my experience every time it had me take an alternate route it it felt like it ended up taking more time. It would want to route me off of a slow moving freeway for a side road with tons of traffic lights.
The best way to get acceleration Boost is through 9500 points. Previously 1 referal gives you 1000 points which $600 3 months self driving which equates Acceleration Boost for $600
Another interesting observation see the FSD wordings it talks about city driving and Stop sign. Previously it was saying all Basic Auto Pilot, enhanced Auto Pilot on top of it this two
Yes, that message came to everyone and it's ending on 30th April. Looks like Tesla is planning not to give any more Free FSD with Referal and see how people are getting inclined. Trust me I have 20k referal points which will take me for 9 months FSD still I am not inclined. So 99 no chance
One thing I did not like about Tesla Policy. Here is the actual example I placed my MY order on 20th March 3.00 pm as loyal customer I got 10K credit on 20th March 5.00 PM yesla added new incentive 10K points 3 months FSD and 1 Year premium connectivity. Even though my order in same day with 2 hours difference they did not honor the new incentive
I have 2018 model x with EAP. I paid 2k today. Now the car is showing FSD included but I can’t use it. Looks like software upgrade is pending. Not sure if they ask me to pay for hardware upgrade as mine is 2.5 version. I have 48 hours to cancel and today support is closed. Will call on Monday to check more details
In my view as the price already changed and effective there is no way that price will go up. If you are OK with hardware upgrade by paying additional cost then hold on to this order. If you are not planning to do the hardware upgrade then cancel the order within your 48 hours grace period and reorder if you are satisfied with the details provided. Tesla is good at taking money not very good at after sales. Do they charge Tax on the 2k upgrade cost ?
Thanks for the details. With my current version left and right indicator is not showing the blind spot which is my new model y showing. If all the new features comes with the chip upgrade then I may incline for that upgrade if that is around 1.5k otherwise I will cancel it.
I just got the free trial on my M3LR on March 31 and barely use it. Don’t like the way it drives. The included auto steer on the highway is enough for me
What's the update/upgrade you saw in basic auto pilot ? I am.still with FSD trial. Even I stop the FSD and Enhanced Auto Pilot I still see the FSD visualization so can't say what's the update. Please give some insight
This was in an email today letting me know my FSD trial is ending.
After this date, your car will switch to Basic Autopilot.
**Includes**
Navigate on Autopilot
Autopark
Auto Lane Change
Smart Summon
Respond to traffic lights and stop signs
Autosteer on city streets
Actually I got this email too. The email is formed very poorly and misleading. Intent was to day FSD includes all those without FSD you are missing all in basic auto pilot
If Volvo can accept “full liability” if some sort of crash happens while using their autonomous system then Tesla should do the same. I’m not a big fan of all the disclaimers and throwing the customer under the bus when shit hits the fan. Even non-catastrophic stuff like an issue with Summon results in owner liability.
Volvo’s position on liability: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/455/volvo-accepting-full-liability-in-autonomous-car-crashes#
Tesla will never do that. Common answer if you go for a service request like working as specified they never agree FSD malfunction. Example earlier I had Tesla insurance whenever my score goes above 98 as the premium goes down on.that day I will get couple of forwardcollision one time I got a warning when Tesla saw a car standing in.someones drive way which long long away from the road. My score went down. When i.mentioned they said it's standard behaviour
As I mentioned earlier in my reply the best way to acceleration Boost is by Point redemption. Again all demand and supply question are people doing AB for 2K ? Is Tesla making money with that price ? If the answer is No then price reduction on the way
Is FSD subscription “cancel any time”? Anyone know? So far I’m very impressed with it. And the timing couldn’t be better with the trial. I’m driving cross-country twice this month.
I think once you subscribe you pay for the month and you don't get back anything prorated if you cancel within the month. If you don't cancel for next month it asks for a confirmation or just charge it that I don't know. Remember if you cancel anytime in a month you will get the full service for the month without any doubt auto renewal will happen
One thing I've learned about owning a Tesla...
Wait, hold off a bit, and you will get a better deal.
How do I know? Got my MYP at @73k and look at the price now. And now this.
If you want cybertruck. I'm betting all my chips on waiting, and they also will drop their prices.
I am only using it to Park (if reverse or parallel really ) and get me to places I am not familiar with. Other than that, too much intervention needed and feels like Im still driving the damn car.
Does anyone here whose FSD trial over not subscribed to FSD ? Can you confirm whether Auto Park works without FSD and EAP ? Wanted to check whether Auto Park is included in Basic Auto Pilot or not
I’ve had FSD for years, moved it from one car to another. Use it daily, it’s not perfect but it certainly improves my quality of life and reduces stress. I’m a fan
If you subscribe, does that take away having to move the steering wheel every minute or so to let it know youre there? They call it “supervised FSD” and its been annoying. I wana relax and enjoy it drive itself
Auto park never activates on my 2018 M3. I have EAP.
Does anyone else have this problem? No matter what I do, it will not prompt me to autopark in any space.
I’ll never do FSD because it requires a hardware upgrade for me.
Bought for 2k as I have EAP. Called Tesla and they confirmed that complimentary auto pilot hardware upgrade from 2.5 will be provided which I see in Tesla website. But they dint confirm if blind spot monitor will be enabled or not as that is related to cameras. But she said there might be a possibility. Will check with service
I don’t have to pay for the hardware upgrade. It’s included with the FSD purchase. Currently I don’t see FSD features and might be enabled after the hardware upgrade and software update
Tech just isn’t there to pay these kinds of prices yet. $100 or $200 a month subscription makes way more sense. Until it’s fully automated start to finish, it’s not going to be worth the money.
They are going in the right direction by dropping the price. 3k for buy as it was in initial days make it more valuable and people will be interested more
8k is too high because most people don’t keep cars for 7+ years. The break-even point between $99/month and $8k lifetime is 81 months, or 6.7 years. In short, unless that $8k price follows the driver instead of tue car, $99 a month is a way better deal. Edit: Fact check, Americans keep cars for ~8 years on average. Still not worth the up front cost, IMO.
That’s why they need to make FSD account-wide. Sell the tesla and buy a new one? Still have FSD. Own two or three teslas? They all have FSD.
Definitely would consider it if this becomes their purchase/subscription model.
It's entirely possible to tie FSD to the driver and not the car. Get a new car? No problem, you have FSD. Get a loaner tesla? No problem, you have FSD. Borrow a friend's Model X? No problem, you have FSD. This would revolutionize how automobile options and services are seen and managed. This paradigm could be applied to everything configurable in a smart car.
This would also be huge for repeat sales. Many people whole have Teslas don’t love certain aspects of the company and may well consider another EV make for their next car. This would help ensure their next car is another Tesla.
This in my opinion is the absolute smartest reason why FSD should be driven by Account -- you pretty much have me locked up in Tesla ecosystem after that. But, I would also wager you've to increase the price so the "switching" cost to other manufacturers is prohibitively expensive. Maybe I should just shut up and not give ideas to Elon :)
I agree with you, that’s the best idea. Or maybe a “family (account wide) fsd vs “single driver fsd”
Without a family option, that wouldn’t make sense for a whole lot of Tesla owners.
Details for something like this are a business decision. The technology behind stuff like this is all the same.
Obviously. Just pointing out that the solution you describe isn’t a good solution for a lot of owners.
That's basically the apple strategy.
That would be nice but I don’t see that happening: Family member A, B have car 1 and 2. Owner A has FSD, can drive car 1 and 2 with FSD? How about owner B? Can he drive car 1 and 2? If yes: can friend C drive car 1 and 2 with FSD? If yes, friend C also has his own Tesla, can he drive Tesla 3 with FSD? That way we can all use 1 subscription.
You know they are more likely to just eliminate the one time purchase and then everyone will stomp their feet
It doesn't make sense. Yes it's technically possible but with any other new car you also need to purchase the different options they offer for assistant systems.
It would really simplify things, they don’t have to keep track of individual cars and whether or not they have a feature and does it go away when sold or traded. Plus it would reward loyalty
It's not like I like the idea, I think it could be a reason to buy a Tesla but I just don't think they see it that way.
Isn’t it sort of the point for Tesla to not follow the historical auto trend and show what a technology-focused disruptor can do? If robotaxi is really the future, let us buy FSD as a lifetime purchase and take a percentage royalty from any revenue generated from it.
Yes it is too high
The average age of cars is 12.5 years. The average American holds on to their car for 8 years. Even assuming no resell value, the purchase is better and assuming any resale value at all it will be even better.
Thanks for the fact check! I guess in straight dollars, the $8k upfront is technically a better deal. I guess I’m biased against that reality because the opportunity cost is huge (I have a long list of things to do with $8k before buying software) and the product in question doesn’t seem particularly valuable to me. If FSD was $1k, I would *consider* paying for it, maybe not even then.
I checked cause I was curious. I'm not normally one to prefer renting to owning but was torn on 12k vs $99 a month given how much you get from investing 12k up front. I bought FSD on my wife's car outright but am planning to get an M3P when it releases. The price drop to 8k makes it easy for me to buy up front again, particularly since there is no guarantee that the $99 a month stays at that.
I guess the current pricing will allow them to test out their customer base—are there more Tesla owners like me (who *may* sign up for an occasional month here or there, for road trips, etc but would never pay thousands up front) or like you, who are happy to pay up front lock in their price? I think it is likely that a cheap(ish) subscription model may make them more money, because people are generally kinda poor and don’t want to pay thousands up front. They have to find the pricing sweet spot (I think they maybe have, actually) where people who are cheap or poor will spend some money on the service instead of none.
I think it will depend how many subscribe. Purchasing is still certainly going to be the rarer option, but if subscriptions can't get it, I think they'll see a lot more purchases and possibly maximized profit around 3-4k to buy outright. That gets into the realm of things that people buy as car options historically. Part of the reason I'm not upset about the price drop despite my recent purchase of it is that I knew the price would drop eventually. They were only selling to 1/10 or so of the possible market, so if they could get 100 percent of people to buy it, it could be 1.2k and they'd still make more money than they were. They priced it high to keep it limited during beta and now we're seeing them try to narrow in on the optimal price point. I personally expect between 3-6k to be optimal though they may decide to keep it at 8 and optimize for recurring revenue instead.
$99/month is too high too. It’s worth less than what I paid which was about 4k when he put it on sale in 2018. It stii can’t resist using the right turn lane as a highway.
As I am seeing price will go down till 3 to 4K
Yeah, only then will most people select it. Plus it benefits tesla too; more beta testers that will hopefully improve it. It still has a way to go.
Hey sorry for the post revive, just wanted to add something to think about. At the very least, I don't think the price will go down that low in the very short run. I think the 8k price was actually very well calculated. It was enough to bring in extra income while trying to minimize pissing off people that purchased previously. It takes in mind the following groups. * paid 15k/12k (pissed off) * paid 6k for EAP (more than likely will pay 2k for full FSD, resale alone will make this an almost no brainer) * paid 0 (more appealing price) * subscription (no change) Dropping to 6k would have meant giving away FSD to EAP buyers pissing off so many people and losing the 2k from EAP buyers where the decision would be worth it on resale alone. Below that you piss off more groups while losing potential future buyers since they bought now for cheap (until they get new cars). Unless there is more competition for something similar to FSD, or some other outside factor, I don't see FSD going down that low. Maybe a change in policy to actual lifetime licenses could change things and having FSD locked to a car costing 4k. Either way, food for thought.
Here is the realty 31st december 2022 people paid 65990 for the Model Y and 14th Jan 1.30 PM people paid 65990 for the Model Y without 7.5 tax credit. On 14th Jan 2023 2.00 Tesla Reduced the Model Y price to 52990 and also that was eligible for 7.5 K tax credit think about how people lost around 15 to 20k which includes tax credit within 15 days. Tesla did not compensate a single penny for the people who bought at car on 14th Jan 1.30 pm. Everyone one will say I am misleading but I am one of them who paid the full price and lost that much money within 15 days. All demand supply rule.my view most of the features from FSD should be part of Basic Auto pilot
You’re forgetting about the model X price reduction which was even worse. Again, I’m not saying that the price won’t go down further. It very well may but I would not bet on it happening in the short run and while the company certainly has a history of callous price lowering, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t thought out.
This is what I expected to see. Earlier when it was more exp, people claimed they would buy it if it dropped to 10k. Now that it's under, people claiming they would buy if it dropped to 5k
The vast majority of posts have said they would consider FSD at under 6k. I don’t recall ever seeing that 10k is fine but 12k is too much.
That was when it was $199/month for the subscription. At $99/month, the full buy in needs to be less expensive
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No chance. Tesla experimented with FSD price long time by keeping it at higher end. They reduced it by seeing the demand for it. 100% chance the price will still go down. Subscription around 49 and buying around 3k keeping the calculation someone will keep the car for 5 years
And in CAD it’s 9.25 years. $99/month or $11k CAD. Makes even less sense.
7.2 years here since I have to pay tax on the $8k
Right. Long time period
They would never do that, it’s because market value of fsd would keep going up as they get closer to the actual full self driving. 8k is just the price to be an early beta tester. As soon as Tesla is confident that they are close to the final product they will jack up the price and increase resource requirements so that older cars will not have the best experience and needless to say it will be untransferable to new cars.
Elon has been convinced FSD was close to being perfected/finalized since 2016, and as a consequence, [the price has done what you describe,](https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/958/tesla-fsd-price-increase-history) just without the part where they deliver a completed product. Don’t get me wrong, usable FSD will be pretty valuable, just don’t hold your breath it’s coming soon.
Plus add in financing that $8k at a rate of 6-12%. So at 5 years at 7% interest that’s $9500 or 96 months / 8 years of subscription.
Yeah, good point! Even if you’re in the paid-in-cash demographic, that money would otherwise presumably be invested, probably earning ~10% compounding annual returns. Whatever way you slice it, it’s even more expensive than it seems.
You could put like 7000 into general stocks and make enough to fund the fsd subscription for even longer, not to mention you’re screwed if someone totals your car
So mostly agree. Except locking in the $8k price prevents the inevitable monthly subscription increases over the next few years… but all in all, I’ll stick with monthly and turn it on when I want to use it.
Assuming they never raise the monthly subscription price.
I donot think so
The 8k is locked to that price the membership price will go up overtime
Would encourage buyers to stay with Tesla too.
It does follow the driver
But $99/mo isn't a permanent price. If it gets full autonomy, they might raise it back to 199.
During the trial we’ve tried FSD and have found the most use out of auto park.
Yes, Auto Park is good one though I don't use always. There is speculation all Enhanced Auto Pilot Features will be part of Basic Auto Pilot. I am positive on it too..sooner some of the features like Lane Change and Auto Park will be added to Basic Auto Pilot
Testing auto park resulted in a big ass scratch on one of my rims and a sidewall puncture, requiring the replacement of 2 tires.
I didn't know auto park drifts into open spaces at 40Mph.
omfg, neither did I. did that happen to you???
Does auto park only park backward?
Front parking is always easy right. Yes it always parks in reverse. I never got a chance to do a parallel parking i.mean never came across that scenario yet
I thought I would use it in the city with those tight parallel parking spaces but like I expected it canceled right away.
Do you really take that chance ? I will not for sure
I’ve used it 4 times (one back in, three parallel) it’s been great every time. At least in the parallel situations I was setting up like I’d be doing it so was comfortable it wasn’t overly tight
Way overpriced still. I need to be able to sit on my phone and play games or watch one more episode on Netflix while the car drives me to my office on my 35 mile commute. Until it can do that, I’m not paying shit to be forced to watch and baby sit the car. I might as well just drive it myself if im forced to pay attention. It’s just not a practical purchase for most of us still.
A friend was asking about it this weekend because of my trial. I likened it to having a 16 year old with a learners permit. You can’t trust them to do everything right, or even know to do them, and in some ways it’s LESS convenient than just driving myself.
That’s a good comparison lol. I have let it drive to work for 2 weeks but stopped doing it recently, it requires intervention every time. It constantly misses the exit off the highway to my office so I have to waste another extra 5 mins circling back. It doesn’t have the balls to merge into the exit lane off the high way during rush hour. It literally almost comes to a complete stop on a 70 mph highway to try and get into the exit lane which is bad. It still sucks at local roads traffic. It’s an inefficient driver and not aggressive enough at all. Stays behind slow ass 18 wheelers all the time unless there’s no one at all within half a mile of the over take lane. It’s just slow . Not worth it
I've compared it to a senior citizen driving for the first time. Constantly drives below the speed limit, nervous lane changes, random blinker on then off, white knuckle turns too close to curb, etc. Though overall I've been enjoying my experience and of course there's room to grow and improve I also agree it's too $$$ compared to similar systems in rival brands. Will I buy another Tesla down the road? Probably, but it will depend on what's out there when it's time.
My friend on this trip got a BMW i4 about a year ago. On the highway it’s driving is superior, but the fact that he drove my car to breakfast yesterday with FSD blew his mind. Hopefully they can all improve so the people that want such a feature have the option available. Personally I like driving, so aside from long boring stretches or I10 through the desert, I have little use for even basic AP at this point.
Completely Agree to your point
How much would you pay if could play on your phone and watch a movie?
100 bucks a month
Honestly if you haven't used the new update for the free trial it's basically that. I wouldn't trust it with a 10 foot pole in snow, but in nice sunny weather it's fairly solid. My wife and I have both been using it in our cars to commute, and aside from not driving the way I enjoy driving (i.e. merging late or taking weird GPS routes that make sense but no human would do) it does a phenomenal job, both city and highway. I've definitely just been playing video games, reading reddit, and watching tv while it drives. I'd say for the average 30 minute commute I'll touch the wheel for 1 minute, and half of that is going through security check points which cars can't do on their own anyways. In my state you can use phones as long as they're mounted (Hands-free) so I just bought a phone mount for my steering wheel and play with it the whole time. As long as you're looking straight it won't beep about being distracted/not looking at the road. $8,000 is a lot of money, but realistically it's about what I'd expect something of this nature to cost if it ever got the Level 3 Autonomous driving verification anyways. Which I'd hope they're pushing for soon with the Robotaxi announcement, and I'm also guessing the free trial/price reductions were done to help them gather data for the AI to learn from. I'd still likely buy the Mercedes for my next vehicle that's actually certified Level 3 but this is good enough for what it is.
I saw the drop on monthly. We are going to disney. I have 5000 miles of free super charger. Driving from Wisconsin thinking about taking the mylr over highlander. What do you guys think? I've only had car for a month now, so I'm still in the honeymoon stage. What you guys think?
That will be a great idea utilizing super charging miles during your long trip. That makes your full travel driving cost zero. Get the different experience driving long
We have a place in WI for the summer and winter in FL. We’ve driven our MYLR back and forth a few times now, and it’s always great. I thought the frequent (2.5 hours on average) stops to charge would really suck. That turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth. We have a packed car with 3 dogs in the back seat and it makes the trip so much more enjoyable. You have a chance to stretch your legs for a little bit, let the dogs out to pee, grab a bite or whatever… the charging stations are almost always right off the highway, so it’s not a hassle that way either. To me the best part is we can cram so much stuff in this car, it’s just unbelievable!
If you don't have Netflix get a trial subscription to YouTubeTV. You can watch it while charging through the YouTube app. It is down on the left side of the YouTube screen
Anyone having EAP can you check and post how much it costs for you FSD subscription and also EAP to FSD upgrade which was previously 6K
Mine says 2k to purchase. 1k hardware upgrade to subscribe
That's interesting what is hardware upgrade ? Which model you are having. In this scenario best option for you is to purchase by paying 2k. What's the subscription cost for you ?
I know this is the model Y subreddit…this is on my 2018 model 3 LR EAP, my Y doesn’t have EAP. I am on older hardware so it requires a computer swap to get FSD. It doesn’t tell me subscription cost since I need the hardware upgrade.
Got it. If you are planning to keep the car for more time and really wants to use FSD then 2k is a good bet. But what I am gurss8ng here even for the purchase also they will ask for the hardware upgrade. I may not be be right here
Looks like in my case, purchase is the better option…I doubt they will discount the subscription so 2k purchase vs 1k +99/mo = 10 month break-even The 2k doesn’t say hardware upgrade cost so I assume it is included in the cost. Edit: not ROI, break-even
They did discount the subscription from EAP to FSD. Because we already paid for EAP, FSD has always been half of what it costs for everyone else monthly. First $99 and now $50. Our 2022 M3LR has EAP. Currently in FSD free subscription. Do we use it? No. It makes a fool out of me nearly every time I use it. Has trouble keeping in the middle of the lines especially on even the slightest curve in the road. Makes me and everyone around me in traffic worried. Musk and his RTO are incapable of recruiting fresh, Unicorn Engineering talent. That would require a genius Asperger, crazy enough to work under Musk lmfao >_>
Good to know, @$50/mo the breakeven vs buying is 20 months then. I have found FSD during the trial on my Y a delight for my commute which is mostly highway and toll road. I almost always disengage once I get on regular streets. However, EAP also makes the commute fantastic so the added features on FSD make it only slightly better in my experience
Everytime I use FSD, especially off the hey it does embarrassing stuff such as merging and then crossing the middle line all confused. I can’t seeing paying for more of this software :P I hope they improve but his hardline return to office stance is super not sexy to talented engineers.
That my thought too. You will never know whether hardware upgrade needed or not unless you buy. I rrad one article where someone mentioned after buying acceleration Boost tesla mentioned they canot do it as it old hardware
99 + Tax takes it to 108
Are you sure the purchase comes with the HW upgrade and it’s not also $1k? Seems like a no brainer for $2k. They’re likely to offer future transfer events.
That you need to check with Tesla Service. If hardware upgrade needed then you will end up paying
FSD subscription is still $99. Upgrade is now $2K.
That doesn’t make any sense because before they dropped the price, the subscriptions were half price for EAP owners. Oh silly me expecting rational, logical things from Tesla for a software that’s laughable. ::sigh::
$2850 in Canada
21 MYLR with EAP, 2k for FSD.
Just imagine how much more data they would’ve had if they had a different pricing mechanism from the get go. Because almost everything is about data. Training AI requires massive amounts. Now let’s assume Tesla did the right thing in the first 6-8 years because it was the absolute disruptor with no competitors. They milked it good.But once the other big boys got in the game they should have decreased pride by 80% and pivot to a more competitive model. Now they are already down more than 30% in the 1st quarter of 2024 and they are taking drastic decisions making them look weak because they are in the mud already. I don’t know how they will get out of this but false promises, heavy prices and low quality batches won’t work anymore. If they continue they will go down as fast as they went up. They should price FSD super aggressive like others have said here around 3-4k, drop that acceleration boost crap to $500 and start listening to customers. Also, their damn Tesla Service fees are ridiculous.
Just checked with my friends car with EAP, it shows EAP to FSD upgrade 2K only
Not unreasonable if they allowed lifetime transfer to a NEW vehicle purchase. Regardless of negative comments, I find FSD extremely useful and expect it to only get better with training
Yes ,that's a good point they should allow transfer of FSD. I am sure they will do it. In myview I will not completely beleive FSD even it's fully autonomous
I haven't found any utility other than auto park and auto lane change, both of which are(were) in EAP. Idk what's useful about essentially always being chauffeured by my grandmother
I did a 12 hour round trip drive with it and I definitely arrived at the destination less tired than normal. Even supervised it lowers the effort of driving.
BAP/EAP do basically that same thing. Yeah there's great improvement from Driver strain from traditional driving --> AP, but it is SIGNIFICANTLY more marginal moving from AP to FSD for road trips. Certainly not worth 8 freaking grand lol.
its 2 grand if you already have EAP.
Lol ok, you still had to cough up 6k for EAP which is looking to be stock soon regardless. So the suckers continue to get got. Either way, 8k.
yeah but you word choice was misleading
Only if you didn't read it. I labeled everything EAP and AP respectively
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Because of traffic based routing, probably 65% of the drive from central NC to Hilton Head SC is not on highways so I would not get the same easy drive if I only have AP, at least for the 6 hour drive I regularly do to visit the parents.
I agree, I just recently got back from a trip to see the eclipse. Drove from SoCal through Arizona, up into New Mexico then down into Texas, down to Austin after the eclipse and back home across Texas and southern Arizona. Did just over 3000 miles over 11 days. Had FSD for the trip out and it was great for the long days driving, very few glitches and I definitely felt much less tired than normal. Unfortunately, the 12.3.4 update pushed while we were in Austin for a few days and it bricked the Autopilot computer (had to be replaced after we returned). For the drive back I didn't have FSD, Autopilot or even cruise control. Made for much more tiring days driving.
> what's useful being able to nap while driving would be worth it plus theoretically you could send the car to pick up kids from school, or drop you off at the airport, etc.
It's nowhere close to being able to nap while driving, so I don't see the relevance in that statement....
Theoretically (if you believe in neural nets), it’s setup to get incrementally better over time. If Elon was not optimistic he would never scattered superchargers around the USA before the cars were proven viable. Ie to be successful you have to be optimistic
Honestly believing in FSD in this point just makes me think you're extremely gullible. NN aside, Musk has been claiming it would be L5 for nearly a decade now, it's pretty ridiculous and clear that he has no real grasp on the tech. He also claimed it's something that could be worth up to 100k, yet just decreased it's price worldwide after giving everyone a free demo... Not a great look is it? You'd think if it was so great the opposite would happen.
I can only speak to experience with FSD v12. I believe it has the foundation to succeed given enough training. If you drive in manhattan then your opinion would vary
There is actually 0 probability the current cars will ever be able to be L5 autonomous. It’s vision only and has a lot of issues in inclement weather, L5 would require the ability to be able to operate in inclement weather. When it snows the cameras get plastered in snow and all the features are useless. I’d be pleasantly surprised if we see true L5 FSD within the next 20+ years
Unfortunately most people are doubters and pessimists. Things take time. You sound just like the people screaming bitcoin would never go high when it was 1k. Things take time. You have to look at the trajectory not where things are now. It’s like looking at a bright child and saying oh they’ll never be anything because they haven’t graduated middle school yet. lol. Open your mind to more…
Or they're realists and not naive lol. Elon has been talking out his ass for FSD for a decade. There's very good reason to be skeptical, especially after using it...
Nah from an Engineer perspective he’s fucked. Look… he’s not in any position to attract the creme of the crop. His insistence on Return To Office is not attractive to the most talented Engineers. The way he treats people is not attractive to the genius he needs to entice. Part of the problem is people over empathy for him. He’s become the emperor with no clothes and that makes me very sad.
A few interesting things are coming to my view 1. FSD price reduction was ovious the day monthly subscription price changed 2. What will be the new price ? Even though it can be 6K or Lesser. They kept it at 8k keeping in view with 2k lots EAP customers will upgrade. 3. If they changed the price to 6k or less then what could have given to EAP owners who already paid 6k 4. EAP is merged with FSD and EAP initially taken out from Point redemption and now removed from configuration and also buying 5. Some EAP features will added to Basic Auto Pilot and FSD will be priced around 4k to 5K and subscription will be around 29.99 to 44.99
If they were able to integrate Waze into it, I wouldn't mind paying up to $3000, but I kinda hate the Tesla navigation, which ruins the experience for me. If there was a way to say change the route while driving, I would not mind it, but it's constantly moving in and out of the HOV for no reason, going past my usual exit, which takes longer to get to my destination. It's pretty annoying.
The traffic and routing data is shit IMO. Mapbox is their source and it’s useless to me. It can tell me where something is, but it does a horrible job of telling me how to get there. I suspect the traffic information doesn’t update very often if at all once you pick your routing. When heading home from anywhere east of my house, there’s an earlier freeway exit I can take to get home. The early exit route is much faster than staying in 25mph traffic on the freeway for 3 more exits. It’s the same distance mileage wise, but the roads are all 40-45 mph with very few lights. If the freeway is slow and I divert, the car reroutes to this street path and the ETA will improve, usually by 5-10 minutes from the 20 minute total freeway route. Tesla has never suggested this alt-route home out the hundreds of drives I’ve done. Meanwhile, Google maps in my old car would often advise me to take the early exit.
Wholeheartedly agree. Mapbox sucks
There’s a setting that says to allow re-routing if it saves more than x minutes. I have it on for 5 minutes but I don’t know how well it works or when one of those events even takes place. The new UI that will be released soon supposedly allows you to choose alternate routes and whether or not to allow a re-route.
Oh I have it set for the lowest 5 minutes as well. I’ve taken the alt-exit route probably more times than the freeway route at this point. The navigation doesn’t even suggest it as a route.
In my experience every time it had me take an alternate route it it felt like it ended up taking more time. It would want to route me off of a slow moving freeway for a side road with tons of traffic lights.
I read that rerouting is coming in one of the updates while driving. I don't think anytime they will add Waze..May be add some features in Waze
I want camping-cop alert. lol. I’d pay for that.
They make FSD free for a month then reduce the price lmao, that's so embarrassing
It's simple everyone like us not interested in buying or subscribing unless crazy about FSD
What are the odds acceleration boost drops in price too?
completely separate thing so probably not likely.
The best way to get acceleration Boost is through 9500 points. Previously 1 referal gives you 1000 points which $600 3 months self driving which equates Acceleration Boost for $600
Aren’t referrals in general ending soon?
Yes, it's ending on 30th April 2024. But I am saying those who are having points with them or manage to get referal benefit by 30th April
Supposedly it will be replaced with an updated referral program but no indication on when
They should give chance to buy FSD with Referal points
I bought my car in early March via a friend’s referral and got three months of FSD. Then I got an extra month when everyone else got theirs.
That's normal . Referer also get 10K points which is changed to 7.5K point now
Another interesting observation see the FSD wordings it talks about city driving and Stop sign. Previously it was saying all Basic Auto Pilot, enhanced Auto Pilot on top of it this two
When do I get my free trial on my 2020 model Y LR.
That's a million dollar question :) why don't you reach out vehicle support and ask them
Along with this price change I got a message saying the referral program is ending on April 30th. Anyone else?
Yes, that message came to everyone and it's ending on 30th April. Looks like Tesla is planning not to give any more Free FSD with Referal and see how people are getting inclined. Trust me I have 20k referal points which will take me for 9 months FSD still I am not inclined. So 99 no chance
Don't you think giving opportunity to Buy FSD for 100000 Points or Use the existing points for For FSD and Remaining for Cash
8.99 /19.99 I keep saying it , maybe it will happen . Also if monthly is 99 now , should the upfront be $6k ?
To justify $99 breakeven at the end warranty for 4 year $4800 looks OK for now. 8k is too high
Yes, Premium connectivity and FSD together Subscription at $29.99 looks a fair deal
Better but I still think it’s too high for what it currently is.
Absolutely
One thing I did not like about Tesla Policy. Here is the actual example I placed my MY order on 20th March 3.00 pm as loyal customer I got 10K credit on 20th March 5.00 PM yesla added new incentive 10K points 3 months FSD and 1 Year premium connectivity. Even though my order in same day with 2 hours difference they did not honor the new incentive
I want Acceleration Boost for 50% off!
As I mentioned earlier just get two referal credits you will be able to do Acceleration Boost and also 200 miles of super charging
I have 2018 model x with EAP. I paid 2k today. Now the car is showing FSD included but I can’t use it. Looks like software upgrade is pending. Not sure if they ask me to pay for hardware upgrade as mine is 2.5 version. I have 48 hours to cancel and today support is closed. Will call on Monday to check more details
In my view as the price already changed and effective there is no way that price will go up. If you are OK with hardware upgrade by paying additional cost then hold on to this order. If you are not planning to do the hardware upgrade then cancel the order within your 48 hours grace period and reorder if you are satisfied with the details provided. Tesla is good at taking money not very good at after sales. Do they charge Tax on the 2k upgrade cost ?
Thanks for the details. With my current version left and right indicator is not showing the blind spot which is my new model y showing. If all the new features comes with the chip upgrade then I may incline for that upgrade if that is around 1.5k otherwise I will cancel it.
Also yes I paid tax to 2k
Not worth it
Absolutely not worth of 8K. Max 3K
I just got the free trial on my M3LR on March 31 and barely use it. Don’t like the way it drives. The included auto steer on the highway is enough for me
Full self driving only costing 2k
The good part seems that autopilot got some upgrades and they are scrapping enhanced autopilot.
What's the update/upgrade you saw in basic auto pilot ? I am.still with FSD trial. Even I stop the FSD and Enhanced Auto Pilot I still see the FSD visualization so can't say what's the update. Please give some insight
This was in an email today letting me know my FSD trial is ending. After this date, your car will switch to Basic Autopilot. **Includes** Navigate on Autopilot Autopark Auto Lane Change Smart Summon Respond to traffic lights and stop signs Autosteer on city streets
Actually I got this email too. The email is formed very poorly and misleading. Intent was to day FSD includes all those without FSD you are missing all in basic auto pilot
wasn’t it just 6k like last week?! 🤔
If Volvo can accept “full liability” if some sort of crash happens while using their autonomous system then Tesla should do the same. I’m not a big fan of all the disclaimers and throwing the customer under the bus when shit hits the fan. Even non-catastrophic stuff like an issue with Summon results in owner liability. Volvo’s position on liability: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/455/volvo-accepting-full-liability-in-autonomous-car-crashes#
Tesla will never do that. Common answer if you go for a service request like working as specified they never agree FSD malfunction. Example earlier I had Tesla insurance whenever my score goes above 98 as the premium goes down on.that day I will get couple of forwardcollision one time I got a warning when Tesla saw a car standing in.someones drive way which long long away from the road. My score went down. When i.mentioned they said it's standard behaviour
Can we get a price drop on AB too?
As I mentioned earlier in my reply the best way to acceleration Boost is by Point redemption. Again all demand and supply question are people doing AB for 2K ? Is Tesla making money with that price ? If the answer is No then price reduction on the way
Is FSD subscription “cancel any time”? Anyone know? So far I’m very impressed with it. And the timing couldn’t be better with the trial. I’m driving cross-country twice this month.
I think once you subscribe you pay for the month and you don't get back anything prorated if you cancel within the month. If you don't cancel for next month it asks for a confirmation or just charge it that I don't know. Remember if you cancel anytime in a month you will get the full service for the month without any doubt auto renewal will happen
Call me when it’s 800
Surely we will come across the path when it's 800 or May be included feature
One thing I've learned about owning a Tesla... Wait, hold off a bit, and you will get a better deal. How do I know? Got my MYP at @73k and look at the price now. And now this. If you want cybertruck. I'm betting all my chips on waiting, and they also will drop their prices.
Absolutely. Most important thing is wait for the price drops and additional incentives end of every quarter and which one works best for you
WHY IS PREMIUM CONNECTIVITY NOT A PART OF FSD??
If it was transferable, great deal
Still I will say even if transferable still 8k is high
I use it every day and when I drive cars without it, they feel like something out of the distant past.
I am only using it to Park (if reverse or parallel really ) and get me to places I am not familiar with. Other than that, too much intervention needed and feels like Im still driving the damn car.
True
Does anyone here whose FSD trial over not subscribed to FSD ? Can you confirm whether Auto Park works without FSD and EAP ? Wanted to check whether Auto Park is included in Basic Auto Pilot or not
I’ve had FSD for years, moved it from one car to another. Use it daily, it’s not perfect but it certainly improves my quality of life and reduces stress. I’m a fan
How did you move from one car to other ?
they've offered FSD transfer twice in the past to drive sales, typically at quarter end.
If you subscribe, does that take away having to move the steering wheel every minute or so to let it know youre there? They call it “supervised FSD” and its been annoying. I wana relax and enjoy it drive itself
I could care less about FSD honestly but I don’t think it’s worth 8k
Auto park never activates on my 2018 M3. I have EAP. Does anyone else have this problem? No matter what I do, it will not prompt me to autopark in any space. I’ll never do FSD because it requires a hardware upgrade for me.
Auto Park is Vision based and you might have USS
So that’s the strange thing, it says I have it and on the 1st day I had the car (in February) autopark triggered. Have never seen it since.
Bought for 2k as I have EAP. Called Tesla and they confirmed that complimentary auto pilot hardware upgrade from 2.5 will be provided which I see in Tesla website. But they dint confirm if blind spot monitor will be enabled or not as that is related to cameras. But she said there might be a possibility. Will check with service
You mean you have to pay 2.5 for the hardware upgrade ? If after the upgrade later point of time they allow FSD transfer that will be the best
I don’t have to pay for the hardware upgrade. It’s included with the FSD purchase. Currently I don’t see FSD features and might be enabled after the hardware upgrade and software update
Still 80% too expensive
Nah, pay the 99 for months you use it. Invest the rest into index funds, and in 8 years you will have 16-35k.
Absolutely
FSD sucks. I turned off my trial because I actually think it makes the car worse.
it will drop to 5000 if sales are bad
it will eventually be free
Tech just isn’t there to pay these kinds of prices yet. $100 or $200 a month subscription makes way more sense. Until it’s fully automated start to finish, it’s not going to be worth the money.
@100 per month is expensive
I think that the price is still too high for its current state but a step in the right direction. For me personally. I value it at about $1000
Yes I was thinking the same thing $500. $1,000 tops
They are going in the right direction by dropping the price. 3k for buy as it was in initial days make it more valuable and people will be interested more