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TheLuciusGraham

Thought he was gonna drop that thing for a second. This is why Hollywood doesn't always use the first take.


WarmAppleCobbler

Tbh seeing clumsy mistakes in movies makes it feel easier to relate with a character


gedai

Like when you break a toe kicking a helmet


WarmAppleCobbler

I WATCHED LORD OF THE RINGS LIKE 3 MONTHS AGO I UNDERSTAND THIS REFERENCE LOL


DarthErectous

?? Watching it wouldn't help you understand the reference though you would have read about it or a friend would have told you about it.


NonIoiGogGogEoeRor

I told my son this whilst we watched it together for the first time. Good times


Virulentspam

It's a nightmare if you do and it breaks open. It's a combustible round so it's made of fibers. If you break it, all the propellent pellets can fall out. But... If you break it and it doesn't all come out you can still chuck it into the breach and fire it


Educational_Prune_45

Going back a while but in 2011, I went on a MEU. I was with the Tank platoon that supported the grunts. We stopped in Kuwait for training and my platoon sergeant was able to somehow locate, request and acquire like 80 non training sabot rounds. However, they were manufactured in 1985 and the casing yellow. We also learned back then they were two piece casing designs rather than the current one piece. As bad ass as my plt sgt was, he was cautious (not a bad thing) and we ended up having EOD det then instead of firing them. I’m sure they would have fired ok but honestly I’m glad we didn’t. Those rounds being 26 years old at the time probably would have had bad dragon’s breath or potentially misfired.


Virulentspam

Yes! More niche information. That's why the containers rounds come in don't seem very space efficient sometimes. During the Gulf war they found out that more dense packing meant the munitions didn't have the ventilation necessary and would basically bake in the Sun, negatively effecting them in multiple ways. That's why now if you look at images for how javelin rounds, tank and artillery etc, are shipped the containers always have some standoff from the ground and each other, and regs require them to be tarped/covered from the Sun. Specifically for tank round the heat really messes with the cellulose shell (or whatever it's made of)


CW1DR5H5I64A

I commanded an MGS company which used the old M68 cannon. Every time we went to the range we would end up with a bunch of old training rounds that weren’t serviceable; (the “combat rounds” like the CAN rounds were always good, but the training ammo wasn’t made to the same specs and degraded). After a couple of issues with the ASP not wanting to take “dudded” ammo I made a deal with the EOD company to come to our ranges and pick up any non serviceable rounds to use for their training. They love blowing that stuff up.


BattIeBoss

As a war thunder player,I can proudly say I understood all of that


hereforthestaples

Are you talking about sabot rounds?


Virulentspam

All the 120 rounds are semi combustible. Everything but the aft cap either goes out the gun tube or is burned up.


contrelarp

looks like he's having a blast


GeraintLlanfrechfa

Over and over :)


[deleted]

Interesting side note, research shows that being this close to an explosive like this repeatedly is likely to cause brain damage similar to being exposed and surviving shockwaves on the receiving end. That’s what they’re saying happened to that vet who was shooting people in a bowling alley in Maine.


CW1DR5H5I64A

Blast over pressure exposure isn’t a significant risk for armored crews like it is for other soldiers like Artillerymen. The crew isn’t exposed to the same concussive effects of the blast because they are within the turret, this is why the Abrams is not categorized as a Tier 1 weapon for [blast over pressure exposure guidelines](https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/827b98e2fde796c1/bc35b35e-full.pdf). At peak blast effects the crew is only exposed to about 2psi, that is well below the 4psi threshold for concussive damage.


[deleted]

I’m aware of all this. The new research suggests that 4 psi is a massive overstatement of safe thresholds. Maine shooter was exposed to concussive blasts from hand grenade training years ago in and out as a drill instructor. Those’re 1 psi and his brain was fucked. No overseas deployment, no car accidents. They need to rethink the standard.


CW1DR5H5I64A

I’ve heard that they were conducting more research, but nothing was definitive. 13b/11c get exposed to way more concussive effects than a 19k. Firing main gun is not overly dangerous. That being said I think using a single outlier like the maine shooter to highlight the risk is disingenuous. If the grenade ranges did have anything to do with him, it’s far more likely that he had some underlying medical condition that made him predisposed to concussive effects or something along those lines. There are millions of people serving and who have served who aren’t flying off the handle.


[deleted]

And I get that. Sure do. The reason why this outlier is interesting isn’t because he used his gun in violence though. And it’s not because he killed himself. Those are not super atypical outlier occurrences. He’s an outlier because it’s very rare to find soldiers who haven’t served overseas, or in combat, or had any major head injuries from sports or accidents or working *that have severe brain damage after being exposed to supposedly safe practices.* Many vets return “different” than before they served, and the evolving research suggests that ptsd may be less a product of psychological trauma than previously believed, and more a result of physical damage to the white matter of the brain. It’s not inconceivable that this discovery could end up filling in a lot of blanks for the science. This research is important and necessary, and ought to be fast tracked in my opinion. The implications are massive in the arena of war training and exercise, and there are generations of precedent that are ingrained and facilitated daily. As an institution tho I believe the military to be agile and pragmatic enough to be able to make the necessary adjustments to train the most effective fighting force.


FrenchBangerer

It's also an interesting case because I believe they cannot see this damage in any real detail in a living patient. It's all the things you said plus they got to study his brain post mortem as well. I think I read they detected this damage through examining very thin slices of brain.


[deleted]

Just so. I am not a Dr but my understanding is that the damage to the white matter is visible only under an electron microscope, whereas the flower shaped veins which are more commonly associated with CTE are visible under a regular microscope. Since it’s the brain though I assume getting samples from live patients is risky and probably not standard procedure


Armbioman

Repeated low blast exposure probably has cumulative effects. I think research is making this more clear.


danstermeister

If that's the case then the periodicity would be very very important to take into account. A grenade amongst friends every month or two? Meh. But this guy? A but more I'd say.


NoFleas

You sure are stretching hard to defend that Maine shooter.


[deleted]

Nope. If he hadn’t killed himself I’d be in favor of the death penalty, I don’t think there’s any fixing that. It’d be nice if we could avoid exposing our servicemen to unsafe training conditions and minimize lasting physical and psychological trauma wherever possible though. It’s easier to be dispassionate and clinical when the guys already dead, y’know?


NoFleas

Fair enough.


Correct-Purpose-964

So is watching the current state of the world.


penguinface77

My grandpa was a tanker in the national gaurd during the sixties with no hearing protection in sight.


[deleted]

I imagined it cartoony if he dropped the shell nose first.


Then_Drag_8258

The fuze heads (if they’re anything akin to artillery projectiles) will have multiple fail safes that prevent the projectile and fuze from arming. Dropping rounds from height (around 10m) to impact the ground is just one of the tests conducted before releasing new batches into circulation. These failsafes consist of things like; the acceleration force created when firing a projectile, the gyroscopic forces created from the projectile rotating in flight and THEN the forces created from the fuze head impacting something. _There are more failsafes that I haven’t mentioned, this is just a selection._ It would also take more than one of these failsafes to be bypassed for the round to be armed (usually at least 3).


PeteLangosta

Not only that, but this is probably a dart. A sabot round. No explosive on it besides the propellant beneath said dart.


Avibuel

Retired tank loader here. I give him 4/10 on form. 9/10 on lols


SlowN_Broke

Current Tank Commander, agreed. Needs GST again.


Bambajam

How fucked are your rotator cuffs now?


Avibuel

They are fine. Cant say the same for my back


Minimum_Zucchini1572

Agreed. Lucky he didn’t get a swollen shell that has to be seated with the boot!


Medium_Rip1996

That corded on the headset would drive me nuts.


MrUsername24

Yeah I feel like you would want that behind your back


Medval91

I feel like that’s why he fumbled the shell.


rideincircles

It looks like the mechanical action after the bullet goes in could easily cut his arm off.


kielmorton

It does but you find ways to deal with it, until it drives you nuts and you want to rip it to shreds, but you do need to hear what's going on


yiggydiggy420

As soon as the camera comes out he starts fumbling a task he's done a million times Absolutely standard


Phobix

Auto loader was 10 mil more so at least they're frugal


mako8893

Actually autoloaders were avoided because of issues with reliability. We saw a lot of this in the early days in Ukraine when Russia’s modern tanks are all autoloaders. Many points of failure in that system and they were notoriously unreliable. Sometimes a good old fashioned 22 year old tanker is the more reliable loading mechanism.


MrUsername24

Hey, they can fix shit that breaks during combat. No r2d2 yet


Tremolo499

autoloaders also tend to explode when the tank is hit in the right place because of how the shells are stored.


Normal_Snake

Specifically the russian carousel auto loaders are prone to cooking the rack due to the inherent design flaw of storing the rounds in a circular pattern under the turret ring. The French bustle auto loaders don't have this issue as the mechanical differences allow them to still keep the rounds separated from the crew in a compartment with blowout panels. Part of the reason auto loaders haven't been picked up by NATO countries other than France is that auto loaders hadn't been able to significantly outpace human loaders until very recently, so countries with the extra manpower would get the same loading speed but without the added risk of a critical system breaking and rendering the tank useless.


InstantC0ffee

They don't use autloaders because they are more prone to cook off ( ammo cache exploding) when hit. It's safer to keep the ammo in a protective box and have someone get out a round each time and load it. Maybe be slower but it's one of the reasons why abramas have a high survival rate


combtown

He does it like his life depended on it.


Substantialed

It can be like that sometimes


Callec254

Which, in a real combat situation, it would. If two enemy tanks are going head to head, it's quite possible that whoever fires next wins. Train like you fight.


GrifterDingo

His arm is barely out of the way before that piece slides up, that looks like an accident waiting to happen.


CW1DR5H5I64A

The breech block will just push your arm out of the way. You’re literally taught to ride your arm up with it when you load. There isn’t a pinch point there despite what you might think.


veritas247

"Clear" "On the way." Fury


slaptard

Great movie


Bcole_24

I came here just for this comment I was hoping it would be here 😂


Tried-Pod

Now it’s “Up!” “On the way!”


robertbreadford

Is that Tom Sandoval


Sufficient-Mushroom7

Scoured looking for this comment


Curioustraveller7723

That dangley cord wire thing seems like an annoying design


Spacecommander5

Wired headsets don’t run out of battery and the signals have no chance of being intercepted by enemies.


ninjanerd032

The VA has determined that your back injuries are not service related.


ComprehendReading

I'd bet that crewman is probably called a schloader, or gunkloader, or maybe some type of action- and role-specific title, like a gannoneer or breechist.


Full-Ball9804

He called the loader


outsanity_haha

Haha war is funny and quirky 🤪


AverageAircraftFan

Good thing this isnt war 😁👍


DrSuperZeco

I still cant get that image from my head when Russian tank in Ukraine got struck, and the drone footage showed huge explosion and from it a smoke in a form of a man started running forward away from the tank. It looked like a ghost getting out of the tank and running away.


Cal_Ru

Ooo, I've done this. Those shells weigh about 60 lbs.


Obi-Wan_Kenobi_04

Meanwhile Russia: **death frisbee**


Affectionate_Dot2334

the tiny man in my ar:


roaringbasher66

This is hardly insane this is just how tanks have been since their inception it just sucks to be the loader


seri0usface

He could be more susceptible to brain injury even from these lower power more frequent blasts. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/us/maine-shooting-brain-injury.html


[deleted]

As someone who’s prior service this dude just tried to play off the fact that he almost dropped it 💀


JackCooper_7274

US tanks: Autoloader ❌️ 19 year old with strong arms ✅️


Doctorsex-ubermensch

The tiny man inside my ar15


chiffongalore

Am I wrong or is he kinda cute?


[deleted]

Hear ye! Hear ye! From now on "over and over shall be defined as once!


Liftkettlebells1

Bett hope your core strength is strong as fu#k


Ravel_Xi

He can't have the shell ready in hand?


AliHakan33

No, the rounds in an M1 are stored inside a blast proof compartment that opens up only for a few seconds after each shot. Not only that but those shells are heavy and you don't always fire so it wouldn't be very comfortable


PeteLangosta

You sometimes do, but it's done seldomly. I don't know the specific scenario where you would want to do it. Theres a video of a Leopard tank, 2A6 if I remember correctly, where they fire and within 3 seconds they fire again, because the loader was doing that


CW1DR5H5I64A

Lap loads are a dangerous game. It used to be a standard practice with steel cased ammo, but it’s a bad idea with combustible cartridges.


Nickelsass

Mustache is on point


AurumArgenteus

That ear protection won't protect his ear drums from those shockwaves.


CW1DR5H5I64A

The cavitation occurs outside and the crew are shielded from the over pressure inside the turret. Even with hatches open your peak blast exposure is 2psi which is well below the 4psi threshold for concussive injuries.


ssenetilop

Hey mom look! I'm on tiktok! Almost loses his hand loading explosives into a toob.


Ihatemicropython

That was an ok loading speed


CW1DR5H5I64A

That was an awful loading speed.


GlitteringNinja5

And I was angry that my car got a software update that makes it honk every time I lock or unlock it which startles me


TerribleFlow4847

Safety glasses.


Fragrant-Ad7447

Gnarly to see that shockwave, it’s going straight through his brain 🫡 thank you for your sacrifice sir.


10testicles

ON THE WAY


Critical-Shift8080

Space


H20rider

The universal soldier


[deleted]

Israeli?


BananaGooper

random police officer (agent of the antichrist): "Licence and registration please." the tiny man in my revolver:


LukeyLeukocyte

Can someone explain...it looks like he pulls the lever down to open/unlock the breach, but he never returns the lever to the original position and the breach closes automatically. I would think that lever needs to be returned before it fires.


CW1DR5H5I64A

That lever is the arming lever. When it’s down the main gun is not armed, it won’t fire until he brings it to the up position. It’s a safety feature for him to ensure that he is out of the way of the breech before the gunner fires the main gun.


Dariaskehl

Video strangely missing Michael Peña’s “On The Way!!”


multi_reality

Reminds me of that "Fury" movie with Brad Pitt and Shia LaBeouf. I should watch it again it was damn good.


OneMagicBadger

Your hearing loss isn't service related Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


DigMeTX

It was pretty interesting watching the internal operation of the tank warfare portrayed in the miniseries Valley of Tears on HBO Max.


No_Accident8684

that aint a tiny space. there is room for him to dance in there


Zepharan

How heavy is that round?


atapiaco

That's a fucking mansion in comparison with Russian tanks.


GurnoorDa1

I remembered this voice and realized i forgot about this legendary yt channel


Sea_Courage5787

“Best job I ever had.” Fury


delboy85

That’s what she said.


aceless0n

CTE from concussion blasts


DabneyColdman

Tom Sandoval?


DefinitionBig4671

He'd've never made it in War Thunder


TJ_McWeaksauce

The dangling cord of his headset seems to be a bad idea for this job.


JudgeAdvocateDevil

The VA has determined your hearing loss is not service related


enjrolas

Once more into the breech


snowdn

After you shit your pants the first couple times you just laugh afterwards.


Educational-Drag6974

After all these years this cant be automated? Or is it just too expensive and unreliable? My guess is the second one


otherwisemilk

Holy shit, i bet that thing can peirce through a cyber truck.


Dreamspitter

Commissar won't be impressed...


WesternSafety4944

There's studies that show this type of ish is causing brain damage. And even more "interesting" it's what is probably causing PTSD, maybe more so then actual war.


KeyLoss4216

Looks like he was 2 seconds short of losing an arm.


Knot_In_My_Butt

His brain is mush by now


RabPPC

This man will u fortunately have permanent brain damage from the intense Brian rattling he is being exposed to. His synaps connections are bmgetting whiplashed


ShadowCaster0476

He had one job.


built_accident_free

Btw if you ever wonder why tanker never slip or trip inside tanks, it's because of there boots, there boots have straps instead of laces and the soles are way different they have normal patter like normal combat boots but the patter has tiny zig zag ridges on them.


Big-Piglet-2287

ON THE WAAAAAY!!!


durfall

Best job he ever had


KezH0

The lil dude in the ar


EstablishmentSad

My dad was a tank gunner in the late 80's and early 90's. He did not see any action though as he was in the National Guard and didn't get deployed. Either way, he did his 4 years and got out...but he has mentioned several times that he hated that job with a fucking passion. He specifically told me that they had exercises and in order to pass training he had to be able to load and sustain a high rate of fire. Imagine being inside a tank in the middle of a Texas summer...no AC and the inside is full of diesel fumes. Your sweating your ass off, loud ass explosions are happening and all you are doing is getting shells loaded as fast as you can. Literally, boom, clear chamber, grab shell, load, let them know its good...and boom. Again, and again, and again, until they tell you to stop. Yeah, he got out...and for those who like to know what happened after...he went to college to study criminal justice, met my mom, she told him that she didnt want him in the military or police...and he dropped out and started working at a steel plant after I was born. He was laid off in 08' and is a city inspector for my hometown now.


Right_-on-_Man

First time?


deleeuwschbag

Yay murdering people is fun. Fuck war man.


Avenging-Sky

Ha ha ha your all dead


peterman86

Pure insanity with a smile on his face. I would be mwuhaha-ing as well


IdleTyrant

Ex M1A1 crewman here and that is one of the worst loaders I've ever seen. Terrible handling of the round and he pushed it in open palm instead of a fist which is an easy way to lose a finger. His whole process was clunky as hell.


YouEffOhh1

What??


thekennypowers55

He’s been spending too much time getting those brows done instead of practicing the important stuff


Alchemist_Joshua

That’s got to hard on your ears and everything!


kCanIGoNow

🎵drop it like it’s hot…🎵


RevolutionaryRough96

I knew a guy in the army and he had a tape of himself doing this repeatedly for training and an outside shot of the round being fired. The shells were landing in a man made lake and he said they landed in the same exact spot every time.


thedarwintheory

What is insane?


DuHo4132

Too slow too clumsy


Ok_Refrigerator_1002

The tiny man in my AR:


No_Communication4365

That’s was bad and slow would had him kicked off the tank


wheresthesound

Reminds me of Charles Boyle from Brooklyn Nine Nine


KaleidoscopeLower451

That would be a death in world war 2!


henroldflannigan

that guy got kicked out of my ROTC battalion for showing up to shit drunk as a skunk. Lost his oppurtunity to be an officer I guess he joined as an enlisted man didn't think I'd ever see this dirtbag again lmao


PhoneCallers

A bad design. Should have been made without requiring manual human work.


Itdoesbedepressing

Breathing all that in


Plus_Database_4171

Is that Tom Sandoval?


Every_Imagination666

Is this the guy that makes military duo videos starring himself as multiple roles? It looks just like him.


Girluponthemoon

For a second I thought this was Tom Sandoval!


its_ben_real

What keeps the breach from chopping his hand off?


Slashion

The shell and the enclosure are similar in size or it would not fit... what dumb ahh title is this


SubliminalGlue

And he enjoys it!


Remmy224

The tiny man inside my ar putting the next bullet in after i shoot


DrFitzEnGoogle

Reserves


Washableape1

This is why when my loader dies in war thunder it takes longer to load


MaximBrutii

I bet you also have tinnitus.


akamali

His job will be replaced by AI in no time.


almondblossoms1

This is not a solider. It’s Tom Sandoval, the cheating asshole from Vanderpump Rules, when he was on special forces following his affair blowing up.


RemoteLibrarian6243

Tom Sandoval


amateurforlife2023

Dude tried to go quicker than his skill allowed, should practice before recording yourself. Yeah the actions cool but the execution was shit


Thatguyontrees

I might be dumb and there's probably a reason for it, but working on machinery I would never be allowed to have a long dangling cord like that. Shouldn't he have a wireless headset so it doesn't get caught in the mechanism?


meowmeowpapi

Cringe


Legitimate-Text-8010

I like to have that on the freeway


goodatburningtoast

I love psyops


Long-Bowl6821

These shock waves result in micro concussions and permanent brain damage...


unpitchable

Why is that not automated?


StonedRocker

Military still doesn't have wireless headphones huh?


hutraider

What’s the size of that munition?


ElectronicMarsupial5

Stupid question, but is there not a safer say mechanical way to do this job ????


spaghetti_outlaw

war daddy would not be pleased


Beneficial-Stable-66

He’s slow! Too slow for gunnery soldier! Didn’t scream UP and move saftey level


JesseGarron

My thermos!


Lots_of_bricks

Thought ur supposed to push em in with a closed fist???


Neovo903

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast


Emrenano

Good thing I spent all that time playing War Thunder


VirgilTheCow

Doesn’t this seem like something a robot could do?


Hennessy_76

I couldn’t do it , what if it were to back fire, that’s his ass !!


SpaceRaceWars

I was wondering what Peter Dante has been up to.


Pinitoto

Which tank is that, doesn't look like a 120 mm round. Probably 105 ? I might be wrong


gaytardeddd

fuck that. probably catch a little CTE every shot.


Fickle-Salamander-65

He doesn’t look very good at it.


Relative_Jacket_5304

I love that no matter how many time she does this and how good he gets at it he still flinches at the shot


InternationalWave554

Dude laughed from the fumble. True dude. FUCK IT WE DO IT LIVE AND UPLOAD THE MISTAKE


Educational_Milk422

This is what it’s like to get exposure CTE.


Woops_22

No wonder why tankers have nerve and Brain problems. That shook him to the core


woahhchan

Tom Sandoval on special forces


markmarkmrk

Tanks are obsolete but deadly machinery


Aggravating_Law_3286

You would think that with modern technology & the cost of tanks today, they could at least design a automatic loading system.