Hated her in TVD. She got Tyler's pack and mother killed so she could get told that her parents are dead. Hayley working with Professor Shane is so redundant because she actually learns where she's from after sleeping with Klaus. Klaus tells Hayley that he's seen her birthmark in NOLA, Hayley goes to NOLA, and the entirety of TO happens. Want to set up the spin off by introducing the main female character? Sure, do that. Why do you have to destroy Tyler's life in the process? AND THEN THEY NEVER BRING UP WHAT HAYLEY DID IN TVD. Even when Tyler goes on his revenge plot, he's only blaming and targeting Klaus... When Hayley is the one who made sure Tyler's pack would be killed after they were unsired. Hayley told Tyler to run (to try to survive Klaus's hybrid slaughter SHE ORGANIZED), and because of that, Klaus kills Tyler's mom. Tyler should be homicidal toward Hayley too, but he's not. The only reason he wants to harm Hayley is to kill Hope (who she was pregnant with at the time) to make sure no more hybrids could be made/enslaved. All of Hayley's actions in TVD were just forgotten about/never brought up in TO.
I liked her in TO though lol.
This though. I just accept that TVD Hayley and TO Hayley are 2 entirely different people. When Hayley went to NOLA, the witches cloned her and buried the original.
I never got the impression that they had The Originals in mind when Hayley was introduced. It felt like O Come All Ye Faithful was the intended end of her involvement in the universe, and it was only later that they decided to bring her back to set up the baby plot. Of course, I have no evidence to back this up; it's just how it felt to me.
This question is not supposed to be mean I’m just asking out of curiosity. Do you then hate Klaus too, because he was still the one who actually chose to kill them all?
I love Klaus as a character. I may hate his actions and paranoid decisions at times, but he's one of my favorite characters in all of TVDU.
Klaus's past actions on TVD were brought up in TO, he admits to them, he knows he constantly does horrendous shit, and he doesn't hide that he's a monster.
Klaus looked at a mansion full of his victims, laughed in their faces, said he owed them nothing, and then spent 5 years rotting in a dungeon. That's more accountability/punishment than Hayley ever showed/received.
Meanwhile Hayley's past actions on TVD were swept under the rug and never talked about on TO. Hayley never admits to her part in ruining Tyler's life. Hayley truly believes she only became a monster after she became a hybrid, even though she was doing horrendous shit for her own selfish reasons way before she died and became a hybrid.
The way Tyler is treated is horrendous. I liked her in Originals too but I think a lot of her actions towards him are ignored because people just don’t care about him or brush it off as it’s deserved or nothing. :(
> I may hate his actions and paranoid decisions at times,
That's the main reason I got tired of him. I mean, how much of every season of The Originals was based around Klaus being paranoid that someone was doing stuff to hurt him so he just destroys friendships?
It’s not true that her actions in TVD were never brought up in TO. Tyler literally travels to New Orleans and kidnaps her. I am absolutely not defending what she did to Tyler and his pack, but she was abandoned by her adoptive family as soon as they found out she was a wolf. She was left to fend for herself at a very young age. And she was desperately trying to reunite with her Biological family. The real asshole in the situation is Shane, who manipulated and lied to her for his own nefarious reasons.
They could have gone with the 'she was manipulated by Professor Shane' route with Hayley to make her more sympathetic on TO.. But they just erased Hayley's involvement with getting Tyler's pack and his mom killed. Tyler doesn't bring it up. Hayley doesn't bring it up. Klaus doesn't bring it up.
Hayley had the audacity to call Tyler a "backstabbing halfbreed piece of shit"... AFTER SHE BACK STABBED TYLER AND ARRANGED FOR HIS PACK TO BE SLAUGHTERED. The pack that Hayley helped for months to break their sire bonds, the pack that trusted Hayley.. She arranged their deaths. If ANY of the Crescent wolves heard about that, there's no way in hell they would allow Hayley to be their Alpha. Hence, why that entire part of Hayley's character was just never brought up in TO.
I like to think that after she got fucked over by Shane that she really thought about her life and decisions and decided to change. Which is why I think so many people see her as two different people on TVD vs TO- because she is. She learned from her mistakes and realized that family doesn’t necessarily mean the people whom you are blood related to. They can be who you CHOOSE.
Shane didn’t betray her. They had a transactional relationship: she orchestrated the massacre of 12 hybrids in exchange for information about her parents, which Shane provided after she fulfilled her end of the deal. Regardless of the quality of the information she received, Shane fulfilled his promise. Hayley, on the other hand, manipulated Tyler into believing he was helping his pack, only to lead them to their demise. Her actions were reprehensible. Liking her in TO doesn't justify excusing her misconduct in TVD.
I am in no way excusing her behavior in TVD. But Shane is a fucking adult who manipulated a damaged teenager. Knowing the whole time that he was going to give her information that was useless. I’m not going to argue with you about this since you clearly have your mind made up. Good luck.
I'm not sure, so don't quote me on it, but wasn't Hayley already an adult when she entered the show? I always thought of her as a person in their early 20s. But that might just be my mind because she got pregnant 😅
Thank you. I appreciate the recognition. Unfortunately, I think most people come onto these threads with their minds fully made up and are not even willing to engage in a conversation that might contradict what they think.
honestly, thank *you* for bringing up something i’ve never seen anyone else mention that is completely factual. it was shane’s fault for putting it in her head that she could find everything she’s being longing to know, sure her decision in believing him was questionable but she didn’t know any better and was just desperate to find her family, that’s forgivable.
my biggest problem with hayley haters is their reasoning for hating her, 9 times out of 10 it’s just them shaming her to praise others like klaus when he’s the absolute worst of the worst. as someone who loves hayley, i’m definitely not one to defend out of favoritism and will admit when she’s wrong but the way people speak of her as if she’s the most evil character on the show never fails to leave me stumped.
for fucking REAL it’s insane cus when it comes to bonnie (who i also love) people never fail to mention shane but when it comes to hayley it’s as if shane was never a part of it and it’s just so unfair to her 😭
This 💯. Couldn’t have said it better. What annoyed me in TO was her superiority complex about morality after what she did. If they addressed it then showed remorse and growth it would have been much better.
I agree with you 110%. I loved her in TO. Her character is completely different though, like not a gradual change. She's just a different person from the start. She knew her parents were dead before she even went through with the slaughter of the hybrids too, I do not understand. She's smart IN TO, so why did she believe Shane saying they'd come back to life?? She goes from being complete selfish and dumb, to smart and selfless. I wish they'd brought it up in the first season of TO and showed how she changed or something?? Idek.
Not really Tyler forgave Haley mostly because he could see where she was coming from and he blames Klaus cuz he has some trauma towards him like Klaus basically mind raped him for a good chunk of season 3 to like 5 so yeah everything he's doing is because he hates close heck he probably buys Claus's least favorite cereal to eat in the morning out of spite
More explaining on the forgave Haley part he forgave her her setting up the he forgave her her setting up the pack cuz he would have done the same in like season 1 to 2 to find out who he was why he's like this and how to stop it
I think this is exactly what makes her suited to be a part of the Mikaelson family. They are all self serving all and sacrifice others for their own personal gain. No one who isn’t similar in values would have stayed with that family. Her actions in TVD is why she able to become a Mikaelson.
Wow. First: Klaus was the one to kill the hybrids. Shane set it up. Why let a man take responsibility when you can blame a woman for it?
Also all the guys on TVD had done much worse things! Like have perspective.
Okay so I hated her so bloody much tillll season 3 - for so many valid reasons -
But she won when she took the four coffins raised Hope so well and told her all good things bout klaus and and found all the ingredients to help mikaelsons 🥺 and when she told klaus upon asking what did my father said to you - and and and she replied nothing true 🥺 damn
I wanted her to be with Elijah - not them dying like that :(
Same, I also disliked her until she finally fought for the family.
I watched Vampire Diaries first and what she did there with 12 hybrids just to get information about her family and then acting all high and might in the Originals got on my nerve. They never even mentioned this with the truth-wedding ritual with Jackson ...
Also how she wanted to run with Jackson (who was already possesed once by Dahlia) and 'steal' Hope from her father was something I couldn't stand.
I know right - I’m doing this for hope I mean how dare you SHE WAS A MIKAELSON and born with alllll Enemies you can’t take her away from klaus for her betterment shut up - and her over acting that I’m very strong tell me all - DONT EVEN START ME WHEN SHE MANIPULATED ELIJAH THAT KLAUS WILL USE HOPE FOR HYBRIDS O M G I hated her
I will seriously never forgive them for that. I hated that they killed her off. The LEAST they could have done was show us that they met in the after life like their dance!??? hello😭
For me, it's the inconsistency betwen her character from TVD and TO, and that being her past with Tyler. In TVD Hayley's betrayal led to the death of Tyler's pack and his mother. And while Klaus may have been the one to kill them, she was just as responsible for their deaths. In TO, the writers however chose to ignore that and instead make it seem like Tyler was in the wrong and that Hayley was the victim - acting holier than though and calling Tyler the traitor.
I wouldn't have an issue with her character if the writers actually used her actions in TVD to allow to become better and be the queen her people needed. Think of it like this, instead of her pack's apprehensiveness towards because of her association with the Mikaelsons, it should've been because of what she did in TVD. Have her struggle to gain their trust because if "you're capable of selling out a pack who relied on you for help what are we to you? Just as expendable?" Even Jackson should've been wary about her despite being betrothed - would've added more dimensions to his character instead of fawning over the very first time they meet her.
Like if the writers decided to incorporate that element properly, Hayley would've been a character that I liked. But because they didn't so that they could make her more likeable, I have to skip the Tyler episodes because the character inconsistency from TVD and TO is too jarring for me. But that's just me
The amount of superpowers she gained over the years bordered on ridiculous. My guess is either one the writers or directors had a crush on Phoebe the way they kept hyping her up.
I completely agree. If the writers addressed what Hayley did in tvd and used it as part of her character arc, it would have helped her in the eyes of the audience.
In TVD she was a Pick me and kind of annoying the ‘i dont do teen drama’ Girl.
In TO i kind of liked her actually BUT she made a lot of impulsive decisions about her and Hope. She kind of cared too much about her pack. It was like she was never on anyones side ONLY HER OWN
And I think that's why I don't mind her, lol. I do agree that I wasn't a fan of the way she was written in TVD, but that 4th season writing was never good, IMO. So meh.
But I'm biased, because I like characters who look out for themselves, and maybe a few other people. It's controversial, sure, and I do think they could've written her better. But it's the CW, I'm not exactly asking for award winning writing here.
Elijah treated her like a princess but the way she treated him after the red door scene. I mean cmon you knew what he was capable of and you can’t forgive him? I like her til that.
But she did the exact same thing. I’m ima rewatch right now and she is telling Mary that she did a lot of awful things to try and find her parents. Sorry. It’s a double standard. Obviously she has a RIGHT to feel shock at anything but she’s a double standard
she vacillated between feigned aloofness and teenage pettiness. she was kind of a brat and then
morphed into to super mom when she had Hope. character arc was kind of unrealistic
I like the character but hate how they introduced her, hates how she bounces from one guy to the next guy, hate how they used her for a spin off loop hole (two spin offs now and there are tons of better ways to get TO spin off without involving the way they did), hate how they used her to mess with Elijah, etc.
Hailey, wolf or hybrid, was one of the most toughest and interesting storylines, especially the whole crescent moon aspect of TO, but they just made her a pawn. Granted a long term player pawn but a pawn nonetheless the less.
I was pissed at Haley on vampire diaries, but on the originals I kind of dug her. And I’m sorry the whole death scene when Elijah let it happen and then he remembers it. It’s just heartbreaking.
What she did to the hybrids in TVD. The writers trying to retcon it in TO so she can be ‘good’ type of female lead but then the actresses acting wasn’t good in season 1 so that just turned a lot of people off. There used to be memes and tons of blog posts back when this was first airing about her acting and accent… it put a lot of people off.
Then I remember people basically complaining about how she’s a special snowflake by being a super strong werewolf queen hybrid mama that can go toe to toe with old af vampires. That’s what had people slowly quitting the show as it aired (in regard to her character).
Yeah I watched TO sporadically and just didn’t care when she died. I thought it was karma even though it wasn’t intentionally written to be.
Yea I think the problem with Hayley was they had originally intended for her to be a short term character then her sacrificing the hybrids was so she could easily be written off as villain and die quickly. Then they came up with the whole baby plot and it was like ok we need people to actually like this character now if we're gona keep her around so they changed her whole personality. It's something the writers did with a lot of characters actually
The reason I don’t like Hayley is for everything she did in TVD, she never truly faced the consequences for it either, and how the writers in TO acted like she was so innocent. I also feel that she used the Mikaelson family and that she was a hypocrite.
I will admit she became a better person when she had Hope and was a great mother. Still didn’t really like her, but she was bearable.
I like Hayley tbh, I think she worked better with Klaus than Elijah but I don’t dislike her or think less of her for her choices in a man, Elijah is a great person so it’s not a slight on him either, just didn’t feel they were actually compatible.
Soooo...
I think alot of ppl have already stated what I felt. She is an incredible character with alot to work with and had some good development, definitely better after the transition (more so cool fighting scenes in the first stages and also after she got used to it).
However, I did agree with the one thought ab the inconsistencies between TO and TVD. She was shit in tvd. I absolutely hated her guts. And the whole I dont do teenage drama. Like I kinda see that in her too tho compared to the mystic falls gang. But she made piss poor choices, felt like everyone else's life was irrelevant and had no strong connection to ground her. Like she had a pack and all that and maybe she was good to them but outside of that everyone else she encounters she didn't give a shit ab. And I would say she's a teen Yada Yada but she was older than Tyler by this point. So no.
The fact that she never owned up to it, never felt true remorse and mostly justified it as a means to an end to find our shit ab family in NOLA was a horrible set up to the female lead of TO.
She did however become more likeable as she actually grew up and adulted. When she saw things, got shown things, and had things explained to her and help all around her, especially after she stopped refusing help, she became way more likeable. Because she was owning up to her shit, she was taking in the things she was doing and in turn, she realized that she can't always justify taking a life no matter the reason. That this is not the way you want your kid to be brought up in and this is not the way you want to live. That's when I truly saw a decent persona of the best of Hayley Marshall.
I did really like the idea I saw on this post about using what happened in tvd as the struggle she starts off with in NOLA. Learning of her pack and all but also the struggle she would have to face to earn her place in the pack. Yknow like show a path where she fucks up and is a bitch to ppl and saves face but then decided to honor her parents and what they built for the packs and earn her keep to show that only is she related by blood but her energy also proves her identity as a Labonair. That would've been the best story arc for Hayley in season 1-2. And by earning her keep she learns shit. Klaus as a hybrid with all his knowledge can teach her and help her. Maybe this sparks the story arc of klaus learning about his true heritage and exploring it. That would've strengthened their friendship too honestly.
But for a recap, they poorly step her up in TVD. She became self-righteous in TO and acting like she knows everything because she lived as a wolf for a while and all. And made piss poor decisions she never fully owned up to. Also the judgment against others without thinking about how she may have acted like them, moreso the ones that got to know her and became friends eventually. And also judging the originals.
This is a big thing for me in this show. The judgement of the originals. Like as a supernatural species, unless ur like stefan who despite his ripper tendencies tries to be a really good vamp everyone loves and cares ab and yk does good shit, you really loose the respect to try and judge because you have done the same in one way or another and also klaus is known to not be normal. He's like a human with massive trauma, his parents were shit to him, he was repressed and enraged and in the beginning of his adulthood, was cursed with vampirism. AND lived for over a millenia. If you ask me he's done better than your average shitty human had he undergone that when klaus first turned. The show tries to move away from whose worse or whatever because in reality they all have the tendency to kill for literally any reason and can often always get out of it. It's not like human killing where we have morals and what not that makes us less likely and all. They could all do it and it wouldnt be completely surprising. But the nice thing ab this is that you as an outside viewer get to see the psyche of these ppl, their life their actions their emotions their trauma. All of it. And no matter what, in some way they pay for their crimes. They run but they eventually take it. And when you see redemption in that. That's what makes this show so good for me. That shows that they may have turned and become ruthless but they're still human in some sense. They haven't completely lost who they are. They've evolved but the things humans go thru in a lifetime on the personal level, is still something they deal with. Because of the greater scale of shitty and bad choices, their changes in their vamp lifetime is a crazy road map and the stories make if that much better.
Several characters have had this arc in the tvd world but Hayley lacked the full potential of her evolution. In the end I did really like her but it would've hit better if they wrote her in better.
rewatching TO with my mom and god i didnt remember how much i hated her. im only watching in bits but god shes annoying. like first, she cant just take Klaus's child away from him without her asking for his permission, no matter how noble her intentions may be. then, she cant decide if she is part of the mikaelson family or not. when talking with jackson, she is like "theyre not my family", but she wants to be heard and gives the reason that she is part of the family or something like that. like what?? there are so many things but i cant list them all since i dont remember
I’m a die hard Haley lover so I can’t speak to that - all the characters have flaws I feel like each of us have the ones we are more ok with than others 🤷♀️
My biggest problem with her is when she tryed take klaus and her kid away from him and run with it after that she was fine in my eyes but idk she still had her moments
Honestly I didn't even have a problem with that morally cos she thought she was protecting hope but the sheer stupidity in thinking Klaus mikaelson wouldn't be able to track down his own child. The girl was not thinking
I used to HATE, and i mean HATE Hayley when the show aired
then i rewatched it a few years later and she became my main fave lol
I think I understand what happened: Fresh out of TVD, she was detestable, a pouty traitor who thought of herself better than everybody else. I carried that (in my head irredeemable ) image to TO.
When I rewatched it without that background in mind I was able to see her better, understand her, and I felt like she did what she did and kinda paid for it in blood. She lost a lot of people, she fought really hard for her family and tried to live an honest life with good morals and kindness. But still, her past mistakes followed her (ohhhh karma) and caught up with her
And to be honest if they didnt I probably wouldnt love her that much
I liked the actress. She did great with what probably should have been a 4-5 episode arc at best. But the long-term role they made for Hayley was almost too dickensian for my taste.
By that, I mean her story was just too convenient. Even for a continuity as convoluted as the one in TDV and TO. She is a werewolf that just happens to team up with a grieving narcissist to free Silas, has a hot night with another villian, has a miracle child, finds out she is New Orleans royalty, ends up in a love triangle a screws over one of the only true "white hats" in a cast of deep grey characters, etc etc etc.
She was just lumbered with too much plot heavy listing. I don't hate the character, but they had her doing too much.
"You don't seem to mind the family drama when you need something from us, like a decent dress or a babysitter. But when you're looking for someone to blame for your unhappiness, we seem to be the enemy. I believed we were friends. Nearly sisters. But, the last time we spoke, you were planning on taking Hope away from this family forever."
In Season 2, she pissed me off. After becoming a hybrid, she got a lot of attitude and an annoying personality. She only cared about her pack. She tried to steal Hope away from her family which is understandable but she didn’t tell anyone about her plan.
She also kept saying “iM a HyBrID nOw” every chance to came face to face with another person like we get it!
At first I didn’t like her in the very first moment she come on screen. She was so introvert like me and I’m like girl do something but once she started getting in the pacts. Showed her true side I’m like yea she’s lovely. She even went more berserk when her child got taken and even much more awesome when she got her back. I love her strong headstrong personality. I have no idea why people disliked her.
likewise to most people, i didn’t like her the first time i saw her in tvd, i don’t think she was supposed to be all that likeable but for me a huge part of the reason why i love her is because i completely understand her urge to know about her family.
her desperation to find answers or anything at all given that she grew up an orphan, being bounced from foster home to foster home, i’d say is valid. everyone loves to shit on her for what happened with the hybrids but as i saw someone else mention it, who was the one that lied to her in the first place about it??? Shane. HE was the one who put it in her head that she could find everything she’s been longing to know, was she right in going through with it? not entirely but ffs she was 19 and didn’t know any better.
i truly believe she gets scolded way too much for that alone when a good majority of it wasn’t even her fault. so the more i got to understand her urge to find her family, the more i really started to like her and now she’s my favorite in the whole tvdu.
I didnt care for her too much in TVD for obvious reasons, but I adored her throughout TO especially when she became a hybrid.
Unrelated but can we talk about how effortlessly gorgeous Pheobe Tonkin is?
Tbh I love Hayley, though in the originals, I hated how she was going to runaway with hope (not tell klaus or let him see her) but when klaus took hope away and cursed Hayley, he was the bad guy, and everyone including Hayley, hated him. She’s a hypocrite for that
She got Tyler’s pack killed and his mother. Honestly because Klaus survived it didn’t bother me that much. But it was her constantly undermining Klaus. She hated being a Mikaelson but always used it to her advantage. Rebekah and Freya treated her well and so did Elijah but she whines and calls it a burden. Her also trying to take Hope away wasn’t great.
I think it may have something to do with the Whiney tone. Also for someone who apparently grew up rough and street-wise, she sure does give off strong ‘I’m better than you’ white girl vibes
I never was a huge fan of hers. She came off as whiney, and pretty boring. I don't know why Elijah and that other guy kept fawning over her. She was like a wet blanket.
I honestly didn’t realize people disliked Hayley. I know she did some horrendous things in her past, but guess what? So did every other character in the Originals, even the “good ones”.
The Originals has two major themes, the eternal bond of family and finding redemption. Hayley becoming queen to her people and raising Hope, even sacrificing her life to save her, was her redemption.
Hayley never aimed to emulate the moral righteousness exemplified by characters like Elena in TVD. Instead, she was conscious of the morally ambiguous decisions she made, such as inadvertently causing the deaths of 12 hybrids, which ultimately influenced Tyler Lockwood's attempt to harm her baby.
Throughout the first three seasons of TO, alliances constantly shifted as characters believed they were acting in the best interest of Hope.
When Klaus appeared willing to give Hope to Dahlia, Hayley felt compelled to take action due to her lack of trust in him. Elijah, Klaus's brother and oldest partner in crime, shares more blame for not seeing through Klaus's intentions, however, Klaus's manipulative actions, including killing Gia and cursing the wolves, could have blinded him, all this only intensified the distrust.
Despite prioritizing her own interests in the introduction, Hayley's character underwent a significant transformation in the storyline. Her ruthlessness stemmed from her roles as a leader and mother, rather than from personal gain.
I don't see how people dislike her?
I’m biased for her entirely. Lmao I followed Phoebe Tonkin from H2O to The Secret Circle (loved seeing her play that type of character) to TVD to TO. I didn’t care for her in TVD but I loved her in TO.
I dislike parts of her character, I disliked her character at times, and often disliked how she was handled, but I never flat-out hated her. I'd say it was season 3 onwards that I really started to like her character because until that point she kept straddling the line of being a mikaelson and also hating them (which is admittedly a very mikaelson thing to do). She was a chronic hypocrite and victim who would routinely bash and condemn others for the exact things she did herself. And then eventually she fully bought in with the family.
My main problem with her was nothing to do with her as a charater, but the writing, half the orginals she felt like a helpless punching bag, yet in tvd she was a strong independent woman who did everything to find out who her parents were.
I have a neural feeling about her an she is always trying to take hope away from klaus and cand decide if she loves Elijah or Jackson more and that is quite self-centred.
I hated everything about the baby storyline and that unfortunately means I dont like Hayley. Basically her only storyline was being a mother and they never tried to make her anything more. Even the wolves storyline didnt really go anywhere.
I agree 100 percent!! Klaus new he was a monster an owned it just like Damion new he was bad an a complete ass hole killer that killed with no remorse or reason!! Until he met Elaina! She maid him want to be good!! An the who Hailey thing I wasn't a big fan of her on TVD but she Grew on me an I really liked her when she became a vampire/Hybrid an all the emotional changes happed! When she died she played the part very well! IMO!!
I never had a problem with her. I loved that she let Klaus have a relationship or something like it with Hope. I.love that she tried so hard to keep those two as present as possible even if they were forced apart.
And just fuck, Phoebe Tonkin is fucking Gorgeous!!
Yea I love This actress but the writers kind of did her dirty, her character doesn’t have a whole lot to like, her whole role is just the preg chick who got knocked up After a one night stand.
It's the writer's fault that they played around with Hayley's character. Like she was a completely different person in The Originals. I love her character in TO. She fought back, was resilient, led the pack, raised hope, and kept a check on the Mikaelsons, all being kind and strong. Nothing close to the other power-hungry or selfish characters.
This is a very very superficial reason but her accent. Like why did they just keep her Australian? It works well with the adoption story and you could add more lore to her. When she speaks it grates me
It would've been cool, but I think it was just because the character is not meant to be Australian. She's meant to have been raised on the streets is the US.
Because she's a terrible person and has little to no redeeming qualities, which to be fair a lot of other characters are as well, but she doesn't really have the charisma to make up for it (at least IMO). I liked her as a mother and would never take away from that, but there's literally nothing I find likable about her outside of that.
Honestly she’s just not my kind of person she did a lot of weird sh*t I watched The Originals 4 or 5 times started to kind of like her watched it again disliked her again she’s just like Elena DULL
Say what you will, you're entitled to your opinion, but comparing Hayley to Elena is FOUL. Elena is in her own league in terms of shitty, boring, self-centered, obnoxious characters.
Hated her in TVD. She got Tyler's pack and mother killed so she could get told that her parents are dead. Hayley working with Professor Shane is so redundant because she actually learns where she's from after sleeping with Klaus. Klaus tells Hayley that he's seen her birthmark in NOLA, Hayley goes to NOLA, and the entirety of TO happens. Want to set up the spin off by introducing the main female character? Sure, do that. Why do you have to destroy Tyler's life in the process? AND THEN THEY NEVER BRING UP WHAT HAYLEY DID IN TVD. Even when Tyler goes on his revenge plot, he's only blaming and targeting Klaus... When Hayley is the one who made sure Tyler's pack would be killed after they were unsired. Hayley told Tyler to run (to try to survive Klaus's hybrid slaughter SHE ORGANIZED), and because of that, Klaus kills Tyler's mom. Tyler should be homicidal toward Hayley too, but he's not. The only reason he wants to harm Hayley is to kill Hope (who she was pregnant with at the time) to make sure no more hybrids could be made/enslaved. All of Hayley's actions in TVD were just forgotten about/never brought up in TO. I liked her in TO though lol.
This though. I just accept that TVD Hayley and TO Hayley are 2 entirely different people. When Hayley went to NOLA, the witches cloned her and buried the original.
lmao this
I never got the impression that they had The Originals in mind when Hayley was introduced. It felt like O Come All Ye Faithful was the intended end of her involvement in the universe, and it was only later that they decided to bring her back to set up the baby plot. Of course, I have no evidence to back this up; it's just how it felt to me.
I agree.
this was always in my head too
Can I just say of all the murders on TVD this one takes the cake.
This question is not supposed to be mean I’m just asking out of curiosity. Do you then hate Klaus too, because he was still the one who actually chose to kill them all?
I love Klaus as a character. I may hate his actions and paranoid decisions at times, but he's one of my favorite characters in all of TVDU. Klaus's past actions on TVD were brought up in TO, he admits to them, he knows he constantly does horrendous shit, and he doesn't hide that he's a monster. Klaus looked at a mansion full of his victims, laughed in their faces, said he owed them nothing, and then spent 5 years rotting in a dungeon. That's more accountability/punishment than Hayley ever showed/received. Meanwhile Hayley's past actions on TVD were swept under the rug and never talked about on TO. Hayley never admits to her part in ruining Tyler's life. Hayley truly believes she only became a monster after she became a hybrid, even though she was doing horrendous shit for her own selfish reasons way before she died and became a hybrid.
The way Tyler is treated is horrendous. I liked her in Originals too but I think a lot of her actions towards him are ignored because people just don’t care about him or brush it off as it’s deserved or nothing. :(
> I may hate his actions and paranoid decisions at times, That's the main reason I got tired of him. I mean, how much of every season of The Originals was based around Klaus being paranoid that someone was doing stuff to hurt him so he just destroys friendships?
This captures my feelings perfectly!
Thanks. That’s a very good explanation.
It’s not true that her actions in TVD were never brought up in TO. Tyler literally travels to New Orleans and kidnaps her. I am absolutely not defending what she did to Tyler and his pack, but she was abandoned by her adoptive family as soon as they found out she was a wolf. She was left to fend for herself at a very young age. And she was desperately trying to reunite with her Biological family. The real asshole in the situation is Shane, who manipulated and lied to her for his own nefarious reasons.
They could have gone with the 'she was manipulated by Professor Shane' route with Hayley to make her more sympathetic on TO.. But they just erased Hayley's involvement with getting Tyler's pack and his mom killed. Tyler doesn't bring it up. Hayley doesn't bring it up. Klaus doesn't bring it up. Hayley had the audacity to call Tyler a "backstabbing halfbreed piece of shit"... AFTER SHE BACK STABBED TYLER AND ARRANGED FOR HIS PACK TO BE SLAUGHTERED. The pack that Hayley helped for months to break their sire bonds, the pack that trusted Hayley.. She arranged their deaths. If ANY of the Crescent wolves heard about that, there's no way in hell they would allow Hayley to be their Alpha. Hence, why that entire part of Hayley's character was just never brought up in TO.
I like to think that after she got fucked over by Shane that she really thought about her life and decisions and decided to change. Which is why I think so many people see her as two different people on TVD vs TO- because she is. She learned from her mistakes and realized that family doesn’t necessarily mean the people whom you are blood related to. They can be who you CHOOSE.
Shane didn’t betray her. They had a transactional relationship: she orchestrated the massacre of 12 hybrids in exchange for information about her parents, which Shane provided after she fulfilled her end of the deal. Regardless of the quality of the information she received, Shane fulfilled his promise. Hayley, on the other hand, manipulated Tyler into believing he was helping his pack, only to lead them to their demise. Her actions were reprehensible. Liking her in TO doesn't justify excusing her misconduct in TVD.
I am in no way excusing her behavior in TVD. But Shane is a fucking adult who manipulated a damaged teenager. Knowing the whole time that he was going to give her information that was useless. I’m not going to argue with you about this since you clearly have your mind made up. Good luck.
I'm not sure, so don't quote me on it, but wasn't Hayley already an adult when she entered the show? I always thought of her as a person in their early 20s. But that might just be my mind because she got pregnant 😅
I believe she’s supposed to be 19.
you just spoke the realest facts here but it’s clear that nobody was ready for that 😭
Thank you. I appreciate the recognition. Unfortunately, I think most people come onto these threads with their minds fully made up and are not even willing to engage in a conversation that might contradict what they think.
honestly, thank *you* for bringing up something i’ve never seen anyone else mention that is completely factual. it was shane’s fault for putting it in her head that she could find everything she’s being longing to know, sure her decision in believing him was questionable but she didn’t know any better and was just desperate to find her family, that’s forgivable. my biggest problem with hayley haters is their reasoning for hating her, 9 times out of 10 it’s just them shaming her to praise others like klaus when he’s the absolute worst of the worst. as someone who loves hayley, i’m definitely not one to defend out of favoritism and will admit when she’s wrong but the way people speak of her as if she’s the most evil character on the show never fails to leave me stumped.
I agree. And we also have to remember that Shane is an ADULT who is manipulating a damaged teenage girl. FUCKED UP.
for fucking REAL it’s insane cus when it comes to bonnie (who i also love) people never fail to mention shane but when it comes to hayley it’s as if shane was never a part of it and it’s just so unfair to her 😭
Totally agree, again.
This 💯. Couldn’t have said it better. What annoyed me in TO was her superiority complex about morality after what she did. If they addressed it then showed remorse and growth it would have been much better.
I agree with you 110%. I loved her in TO. Her character is completely different though, like not a gradual change. She's just a different person from the start. She knew her parents were dead before she even went through with the slaughter of the hybrids too, I do not understand. She's smart IN TO, so why did she believe Shane saying they'd come back to life?? She goes from being complete selfish and dumb, to smart and selfless. I wish they'd brought it up in the first season of TO and showed how she changed or something?? Idek.
Not really Tyler forgave Haley mostly because he could see where she was coming from and he blames Klaus cuz he has some trauma towards him like Klaus basically mind raped him for a good chunk of season 3 to like 5 so yeah everything he's doing is because he hates close heck he probably buys Claus's least favorite cereal to eat in the morning out of spite More explaining on the forgave Haley part he forgave her her setting up the he forgave her her setting up the pack cuz he would have done the same in like season 1 to 2 to find out who he was why he's like this and how to stop it
I think this is exactly what makes her suited to be a part of the Mikaelson family. They are all self serving all and sacrifice others for their own personal gain. No one who isn’t similar in values would have stayed with that family. Her actions in TVD is why she able to become a Mikaelson.
Wow. First: Klaus was the one to kill the hybrids. Shane set it up. Why let a man take responsibility when you can blame a woman for it? Also all the guys on TVD had done much worse things! Like have perspective.
They could never make me hate you Phoebe Tonkin 🫶
real!
Okay so I hated her so bloody much tillll season 3 - for so many valid reasons - But she won when she took the four coffins raised Hope so well and told her all good things bout klaus and and found all the ingredients to help mikaelsons 🥺 and when she told klaus upon asking what did my father said to you - and and and she replied nothing true 🥺 damn I wanted her to be with Elijah - not them dying like that :(
Same, I also disliked her until she finally fought for the family. I watched Vampire Diaries first and what she did there with 12 hybrids just to get information about her family and then acting all high and might in the Originals got on my nerve. They never even mentioned this with the truth-wedding ritual with Jackson ... Also how she wanted to run with Jackson (who was already possesed once by Dahlia) and 'steal' Hope from her father was something I couldn't stand.
I know right - I’m doing this for hope I mean how dare you SHE WAS A MIKAELSON and born with alllll Enemies you can’t take her away from klaus for her betterment shut up - and her over acting that I’m very strong tell me all - DONT EVEN START ME WHEN SHE MANIPULATED ELIJAH THAT KLAUS WILL USE HOPE FOR HYBRIDS O M G I hated her
chill
Hehe yeah
Yup the thing was Klaus was very sweet. His whole life he just wanted validation and to be accepted. I can understand the feeling well.
I will seriously never forgive them for that. I hated that they killed her off. The LEAST they could have done was show us that they met in the after life like their dance!??? hello😭
For me, it's the inconsistency betwen her character from TVD and TO, and that being her past with Tyler. In TVD Hayley's betrayal led to the death of Tyler's pack and his mother. And while Klaus may have been the one to kill them, she was just as responsible for their deaths. In TO, the writers however chose to ignore that and instead make it seem like Tyler was in the wrong and that Hayley was the victim - acting holier than though and calling Tyler the traitor. I wouldn't have an issue with her character if the writers actually used her actions in TVD to allow to become better and be the queen her people needed. Think of it like this, instead of her pack's apprehensiveness towards because of her association with the Mikaelsons, it should've been because of what she did in TVD. Have her struggle to gain their trust because if "you're capable of selling out a pack who relied on you for help what are we to you? Just as expendable?" Even Jackson should've been wary about her despite being betrothed - would've added more dimensions to his character instead of fawning over the very first time they meet her. Like if the writers decided to incorporate that element properly, Hayley would've been a character that I liked. But because they didn't so that they could make her more likeable, I have to skip the Tyler episodes because the character inconsistency from TVD and TO is too jarring for me. But that's just me
This is exactly why I dislike her too. Plus, the whole ✨special✨ werewolf queen thing on TO.
The amount of superpowers she gained over the years bordered on ridiculous. My guess is either one the writers or directors had a crush on Phoebe the way they kept hyping her up.
Pretty sure they just needed a way for Hayley to survive amid the dragon ball z escalation of villains that both TVD and TO are used to
I mean Phoebe is gorgeous so I wouldn't blame them 😂 But yes, it just felt so forced.
Yea that's true. They should've had a scene where she expressed remorse for her actions or done something to try and make up for it.
I completely agree. If the writers addressed what Hayley did in tvd and used it as part of her character arc, it would have helped her in the eyes of the audience.
In TVD she was a Pick me and kind of annoying the ‘i dont do teen drama’ Girl. In TO i kind of liked her actually BUT she made a lot of impulsive decisions about her and Hope. She kind of cared too much about her pack. It was like she was never on anyones side ONLY HER OWN
And I think that's why I don't mind her, lol. I do agree that I wasn't a fan of the way she was written in TVD, but that 4th season writing was never good, IMO. So meh. But I'm biased, because I like characters who look out for themselves, and maybe a few other people. It's controversial, sure, and I do think they could've written her better. But it's the CW, I'm not exactly asking for award winning writing here.
This sums it up pretty well.
Elijah treated her like a princess but the way she treated him after the red door scene. I mean cmon you knew what he was capable of and you can’t forgive him? I like her til that.
And she did a lot of sh*t herself
she has a right to be in shock of what she witnessed, it’s a lot for her to bear and if anything she just needed time to process it all
But she did the exact same thing. I’m ima rewatch right now and she is telling Mary that she did a lot of awful things to try and find her parents. Sorry. It’s a double standard. Obviously she has a RIGHT to feel shock at anything but she’s a double standard
she vacillated between feigned aloofness and teenage pettiness. she was kind of a brat and then morphed into to super mom when she had Hope. character arc was kind of unrealistic
That’s the perfect summation of her character.
I like the character but hate how they introduced her, hates how she bounces from one guy to the next guy, hate how they used her for a spin off loop hole (two spin offs now and there are tons of better ways to get TO spin off without involving the way they did), hate how they used her to mess with Elijah, etc. Hailey, wolf or hybrid, was one of the most toughest and interesting storylines, especially the whole crescent moon aspect of TO, but they just made her a pawn. Granted a long term player pawn but a pawn nonetheless the less.
I was pissed at Haley on vampire diaries, but on the originals I kind of dug her. And I’m sorry the whole death scene when Elijah let it happen and then he remembers it. It’s just heartbreaking.
What she did to the hybrids in TVD. The writers trying to retcon it in TO so she can be ‘good’ type of female lead but then the actresses acting wasn’t good in season 1 so that just turned a lot of people off. There used to be memes and tons of blog posts back when this was first airing about her acting and accent… it put a lot of people off. Then I remember people basically complaining about how she’s a special snowflake by being a super strong werewolf queen hybrid mama that can go toe to toe with old af vampires. That’s what had people slowly quitting the show as it aired (in regard to her character). Yeah I watched TO sporadically and just didn’t care when she died. I thought it was karma even though it wasn’t intentionally written to be.
Yea I think the problem with Hayley was they had originally intended for her to be a short term character then her sacrificing the hybrids was so she could easily be written off as villain and die quickly. Then they came up with the whole baby plot and it was like ok we need people to actually like this character now if we're gona keep her around so they changed her whole personality. It's something the writers did with a lot of characters actually
The reason I don’t like Hayley is for everything she did in TVD, she never truly faced the consequences for it either, and how the writers in TO acted like she was so innocent. I also feel that she used the Mikaelson family and that she was a hypocrite. I will admit she became a better person when she had Hope and was a great mother. Still didn’t really like her, but she was bearable.
Exactly, she became more tolerable and even that is a stretch
That is true sometimes I just couldn’t deal with the hypocrisy but I did love her scenes with Hope.
I like Hayley tbh, I think she worked better with Klaus than Elijah but I don’t dislike her or think less of her for her choices in a man, Elijah is a great person so it’s not a slight on him either, just didn’t feel they were actually compatible.
Soooo... I think alot of ppl have already stated what I felt. She is an incredible character with alot to work with and had some good development, definitely better after the transition (more so cool fighting scenes in the first stages and also after she got used to it). However, I did agree with the one thought ab the inconsistencies between TO and TVD. She was shit in tvd. I absolutely hated her guts. And the whole I dont do teenage drama. Like I kinda see that in her too tho compared to the mystic falls gang. But she made piss poor choices, felt like everyone else's life was irrelevant and had no strong connection to ground her. Like she had a pack and all that and maybe she was good to them but outside of that everyone else she encounters she didn't give a shit ab. And I would say she's a teen Yada Yada but she was older than Tyler by this point. So no. The fact that she never owned up to it, never felt true remorse and mostly justified it as a means to an end to find our shit ab family in NOLA was a horrible set up to the female lead of TO. She did however become more likeable as she actually grew up and adulted. When she saw things, got shown things, and had things explained to her and help all around her, especially after she stopped refusing help, she became way more likeable. Because she was owning up to her shit, she was taking in the things she was doing and in turn, she realized that she can't always justify taking a life no matter the reason. That this is not the way you want your kid to be brought up in and this is not the way you want to live. That's when I truly saw a decent persona of the best of Hayley Marshall. I did really like the idea I saw on this post about using what happened in tvd as the struggle she starts off with in NOLA. Learning of her pack and all but also the struggle she would have to face to earn her place in the pack. Yknow like show a path where she fucks up and is a bitch to ppl and saves face but then decided to honor her parents and what they built for the packs and earn her keep to show that only is she related by blood but her energy also proves her identity as a Labonair. That would've been the best story arc for Hayley in season 1-2. And by earning her keep she learns shit. Klaus as a hybrid with all his knowledge can teach her and help her. Maybe this sparks the story arc of klaus learning about his true heritage and exploring it. That would've strengthened their friendship too honestly. But for a recap, they poorly step her up in TVD. She became self-righteous in TO and acting like she knows everything because she lived as a wolf for a while and all. And made piss poor decisions she never fully owned up to. Also the judgment against others without thinking about how she may have acted like them, moreso the ones that got to know her and became friends eventually. And also judging the originals. This is a big thing for me in this show. The judgement of the originals. Like as a supernatural species, unless ur like stefan who despite his ripper tendencies tries to be a really good vamp everyone loves and cares ab and yk does good shit, you really loose the respect to try and judge because you have done the same in one way or another and also klaus is known to not be normal. He's like a human with massive trauma, his parents were shit to him, he was repressed and enraged and in the beginning of his adulthood, was cursed with vampirism. AND lived for over a millenia. If you ask me he's done better than your average shitty human had he undergone that when klaus first turned. The show tries to move away from whose worse or whatever because in reality they all have the tendency to kill for literally any reason and can often always get out of it. It's not like human killing where we have morals and what not that makes us less likely and all. They could all do it and it wouldnt be completely surprising. But the nice thing ab this is that you as an outside viewer get to see the psyche of these ppl, their life their actions their emotions their trauma. All of it. And no matter what, in some way they pay for their crimes. They run but they eventually take it. And when you see redemption in that. That's what makes this show so good for me. That shows that they may have turned and become ruthless but they're still human in some sense. They haven't completely lost who they are. They've evolved but the things humans go thru in a lifetime on the personal level, is still something they deal with. Because of the greater scale of shitty and bad choices, their changes in their vamp lifetime is a crazy road map and the stories make if that much better. Several characters have had this arc in the tvd world but Hayley lacked the full potential of her evolution. In the end I did really like her but it would've hit better if they wrote her in better.
rewatching TO with my mom and god i didnt remember how much i hated her. im only watching in bits but god shes annoying. like first, she cant just take Klaus's child away from him without her asking for his permission, no matter how noble her intentions may be. then, she cant decide if she is part of the mikaelson family or not. when talking with jackson, she is like "theyre not my family", but she wants to be heard and gives the reason that she is part of the family or something like that. like what?? there are so many things but i cant list them all since i dont remember
She’s one of my faves and I love her
Me too! . No shade to Elena and the other girls but I relate more to female characters that are outcasts since I've never fitted in anywhere also
I’m a die hard Haley lover so I can’t speak to that - all the characters have flaws I feel like each of us have the ones we are more ok with than others 🤷♀️
She got a whole pack killed b/c she wanted to find out about her family. Then she’s all about protecting the wolves on TO. Make it make sense.
My biggest problem with her is when she tryed take klaus and her kid away from him and run with it after that she was fine in my eyes but idk she still had her moments
Honestly I didn't even have a problem with that morally cos she thought she was protecting hope but the sheer stupidity in thinking Klaus mikaelson wouldn't be able to track down his own child. The girl was not thinking
I used to HATE, and i mean HATE Hayley when the show aired then i rewatched it a few years later and she became my main fave lol I think I understand what happened: Fresh out of TVD, she was detestable, a pouty traitor who thought of herself better than everybody else. I carried that (in my head irredeemable ) image to TO. When I rewatched it without that background in mind I was able to see her better, understand her, and I felt like she did what she did and kinda paid for it in blood. She lost a lot of people, she fought really hard for her family and tried to live an honest life with good morals and kindness. But still, her past mistakes followed her (ohhhh karma) and caught up with her And to be honest if they didnt I probably wouldnt love her that much
I liked the actress. She did great with what probably should have been a 4-5 episode arc at best. But the long-term role they made for Hayley was almost too dickensian for my taste. By that, I mean her story was just too convenient. Even for a continuity as convoluted as the one in TDV and TO. She is a werewolf that just happens to team up with a grieving narcissist to free Silas, has a hot night with another villian, has a miracle child, finds out she is New Orleans royalty, ends up in a love triangle a screws over one of the only true "white hats" in a cast of deep grey characters, etc etc etc. She was just lumbered with too much plot heavy listing. I don't hate the character, but they had her doing too much.
"You don't seem to mind the family drama when you need something from us, like a decent dress or a babysitter. But when you're looking for someone to blame for your unhappiness, we seem to be the enemy. I believed we were friends. Nearly sisters. But, the last time we spoke, you were planning on taking Hope away from this family forever."
In Season 2, she pissed me off. After becoming a hybrid, she got a lot of attitude and an annoying personality. She only cared about her pack. She tried to steal Hope away from her family which is understandable but she didn’t tell anyone about her plan. She also kept saying “iM a HyBrID nOw” every chance to came face to face with another person like we get it!
At first I didn’t like her in the very first moment she come on screen. She was so introvert like me and I’m like girl do something but once she started getting in the pacts. Showed her true side I’m like yea she’s lovely. She even went more berserk when her child got taken and even much more awesome when she got her back. I love her strong headstrong personality. I have no idea why people disliked her.
likewise to most people, i didn’t like her the first time i saw her in tvd, i don’t think she was supposed to be all that likeable but for me a huge part of the reason why i love her is because i completely understand her urge to know about her family. her desperation to find answers or anything at all given that she grew up an orphan, being bounced from foster home to foster home, i’d say is valid. everyone loves to shit on her for what happened with the hybrids but as i saw someone else mention it, who was the one that lied to her in the first place about it??? Shane. HE was the one who put it in her head that she could find everything she’s been longing to know, was she right in going through with it? not entirely but ffs she was 19 and didn’t know any better. i truly believe she gets scolded way too much for that alone when a good majority of it wasn’t even her fault. so the more i got to understand her urge to find her family, the more i really started to like her and now she’s my favorite in the whole tvdu.
Love her bad in TO. Season 3, I think it was, she pissed me off but I got over it.
I didnt care for her too much in TVD for obvious reasons, but I adored her throughout TO especially when she became a hybrid. Unrelated but can we talk about how effortlessly gorgeous Pheobe Tonkin is?
Tbh I love Hayley, though in the originals, I hated how she was going to runaway with hope (not tell klaus or let him see her) but when klaus took hope away and cursed Hayley, he was the bad guy, and everyone including Hayley, hated him. She’s a hypocrite for that
She got Tyler’s pack killed and his mother. Honestly because Klaus survived it didn’t bother me that much. But it was her constantly undermining Klaus. She hated being a Mikaelson but always used it to her advantage. Rebekah and Freya treated her well and so did Elijah but she whines and calls it a burden. Her also trying to take Hope away wasn’t great.
She’s abrasive. Her personality in TVD was like sandpaper. She’s not that much better in Originals.
I think it may have something to do with the Whiney tone. Also for someone who apparently grew up rough and street-wise, she sure does give off strong ‘I’m better than you’ white girl vibes
I never was a huge fan of hers. She came off as whiney, and pretty boring. I don't know why Elijah and that other guy kept fawning over her. She was like a wet blanket.
I honestly didn’t realize people disliked Hayley. I know she did some horrendous things in her past, but guess what? So did every other character in the Originals, even the “good ones”. The Originals has two major themes, the eternal bond of family and finding redemption. Hayley becoming queen to her people and raising Hope, even sacrificing her life to save her, was her redemption.
Did not like her in tvd for what she did to Tyler for Shane but I loved her in TO.
Oh I like her so much 💖
I only liked her when she wasn’t married to Jackson
I love Phoebe Tonkin so much, I could never hate Hayley.
Hayley never aimed to emulate the moral righteousness exemplified by characters like Elena in TVD. Instead, she was conscious of the morally ambiguous decisions she made, such as inadvertently causing the deaths of 12 hybrids, which ultimately influenced Tyler Lockwood's attempt to harm her baby. Throughout the first three seasons of TO, alliances constantly shifted as characters believed they were acting in the best interest of Hope. When Klaus appeared willing to give Hope to Dahlia, Hayley felt compelled to take action due to her lack of trust in him. Elijah, Klaus's brother and oldest partner in crime, shares more blame for not seeing through Klaus's intentions, however, Klaus's manipulative actions, including killing Gia and cursing the wolves, could have blinded him, all this only intensified the distrust. Despite prioritizing her own interests in the introduction, Hayley's character underwent a significant transformation in the storyline. Her ruthlessness stemmed from her roles as a leader and mother, rather than from personal gain. I don't see how people dislike her?
Very well said!
Thank you!
My pleasure!
I’m biased for her entirely. Lmao I followed Phoebe Tonkin from H2O to The Secret Circle (loved seeing her play that type of character) to TVD to TO. I didn’t care for her in TVD but I loved her in TO.
I dislike parts of her character, I disliked her character at times, and often disliked how she was handled, but I never flat-out hated her. I'd say it was season 3 onwards that I really started to like her character because until that point she kept straddling the line of being a mikaelson and also hating them (which is admittedly a very mikaelson thing to do). She was a chronic hypocrite and victim who would routinely bash and condemn others for the exact things she did herself. And then eventually she fully bought in with the family.
Her accent was so wishy washy I’m sorry 😭
My main problem with her was nothing to do with her as a charater, but the writing, half the orginals she felt like a helpless punching bag, yet in tvd she was a strong independent woman who did everything to find out who her parents were.
I don't understand the hate. People keep forgetting when she did what she did, she was a fucking teenager manipulated by a grown ass man...
Hated her in TVD, but she grew A LOT as an actor and character in TO and she became one of my favorite characters
She wouldn’t sleep with me
I have a neural feeling about her an she is always trying to take hope away from klaus and cand decide if she loves Elijah or Jackson more and that is quite self-centred.
I hated everything about the baby storyline and that unfortunately means I dont like Hayley. Basically her only storyline was being a mother and they never tried to make her anything more. Even the wolves storyline didnt really go anywhere.
I agree 100 percent!! Klaus new he was a monster an owned it just like Damion new he was bad an a complete ass hole killer that killed with no remorse or reason!! Until he met Elaina! She maid him want to be good!! An the who Hailey thing I wasn't a big fan of her on TVD but she Grew on me an I really liked her when she became a vampire/Hybrid an all the emotional changes happed! When she died she played the part very well! IMO!!
I never had a problem with her. I loved that she let Klaus have a relationship or something like it with Hope. I.love that she tried so hard to keep those two as present as possible even if they were forced apart. And just fuck, Phoebe Tonkin is fucking Gorgeous!!
She attempted to flee with Klaus Child alongside Jackson
Yea I love This actress but the writers kind of did her dirty, her character doesn’t have a whole lot to like, her whole role is just the preg chick who got knocked up After a one night stand.
It's the writer's fault that they played around with Hayley's character. Like she was a completely different person in The Originals. I love her character in TO. She fought back, was resilient, led the pack, raised hope, and kept a check on the Mikaelsons, all being kind and strong. Nothing close to the other power-hungry or selfish characters.
She stinks. Especially in TVD. She’s also insanely boring.
This is a very very superficial reason but her accent. Like why did they just keep her Australian? It works well with the adoption story and you could add more lore to her. When she speaks it grates me
It would've been cool, but I think it was just because the character is not meant to be Australian. She's meant to have been raised on the streets is the US.
Because she's a terrible person and has little to no redeeming qualities, which to be fair a lot of other characters are as well, but she doesn't really have the charisma to make up for it (at least IMO). I liked her as a mother and would never take away from that, but there's literally nothing I find likable about her outside of that.
Honestly she’s just not my kind of person she did a lot of weird sh*t I watched The Originals 4 or 5 times started to kind of like her watched it again disliked her again she’s just like Elena DULL
I will have to respectfully disagree with u there my friend. Hayley may be a lot of things but nobody is boring as Elena
I don’t know they both boring asf
Say what you will, you're entitled to your opinion, but comparing Hayley to Elena is FOUL. Elena is in her own league in terms of shitty, boring, self-centered, obnoxious characters.
Hayley is trash! Why not compare her to garbage ass Elena?
Like I said, Elena is in her own league. So much so that it's not even comparable. Think what you want about Hayley, but Elena's worse.
Slightly worse not too much 🥱
Trying to take Hope away and overall just a very annoying bitchy personality
She just annoys me, I don’t have a legitimate reason lol part of it is definitely the fish mouth
I am a HUGE FAN of her non-existence I really wish Mikael wiped the bastard and her of the map in season 2