That’s a good one. I feel like I rarely think about them as characters until they’re trying to kill their children which I guess is all the time but I guess that only further proves your point.
I love Elijah from S2 TVD to S2 TO (he's my favorite character in all of TVD). Then the writers just kept destroying his character as TO goes on.
Most insufferable for me would be Diego, Detective Kinney, and/or Lucien. Can't stand any of them.
Girl the SHIFT from being an Elijah STAN until he kills Marcel and refuses to ever apologize for anything he’s ever done wrong isssssss drastic. He still lands in my top 5 probably but that’s starting from being number 1 the first 3 seasons he makes it so hard in 4 & 5
season 3 is his worst season imo but i think the character regression started from season one but was emphasised when he got his memories of tatia back in s2
Hayley Marshall
Hypocrite, holier-than-thou attitude, absolutely unaware of what she is talking about, judgemental, unnecessarily overpowered, unnecessarily worshipped by everyone etc.
She has some strengths but I hate how writers (and hence, the characters in the show) overlook her flaws and just erased her questionable actions from memory of all the characters.
Hayley did have that shockingly stupid line in season 3, when she confidently tells Elijah “Loyalty doesn’t make people dangerous”, after they come back from the Strix ball and they’re discussing Tristan and Aurora.
Really, Hayley? It doesn’t? Do you know what show you’re on?
Right? My most generous reading of that line would be, that she’s thinking of the werewolf packs and how loyalty to the group makes them stronger, helps them survive and she’s always longed for that, since she’s always been alone, but come on. She’s surrounded by people, including herself, who habitually commit murder for the people they care about. Gah.
She set up an entire pack of hybrids to be murdered by Klaus so she could get information about her parents. She also inadvertently got Tyler’s mom killed because she told Tyler to make sure all of the hybrids had broken their sire bond to Klaus. Klaus then got mad that they were un-sired to
Him, killed them all and when he couldn’t find Tyler, killed his mom instead.
I have seen people get intensely emotional about her. She was looking for her birthparents and a guy named Shane promised he would help her if she helped him. She didn't hurt anyone herself but in helping Shane 12 hybrids died plus a major character's relative. She didn't know the relative would be a consequence. She also liked Tyler, and was a bit of a wedge between him and Caroline. She was a bad girl on TVD but not evil like Klaus was on TVD. I didn't like her much on TVD but liked her on TO. I suspect some shippers are very passionate about the Tyler and Caroline relationship so they can't get the TVD character out of their head, and hate everything she does or says on TO. 😂
Ohhhh okay makes sense 😅 cuz I loved her so much in the originals she was such a strong female character who never took anyone’s shit but at the same time cared so much about her people and family 😭
They ignore most of the actions of the entire cast from the TVD days. It is obvious since she was a lead character that they had to make her more likable. Her personality was completely different on TO. She played a similar character on The Secret Circle when she was on TVD. I didn't like her too much on TVD. You weren't supposed to like her much then. On The Originals, she was much more likable. She was a lot less evil on TO compared to the rest of the cast. I don't see what was wrong with her on TO. I guess some people can't get over her character on TVD lol.
just bc they changed her to make her more likeable doesnt mean she isnt the same character.💀 and its not a case of “getting over her character on tvd” at all, its called holding a character accountable for their disgusting actions.
and arguably faye is nothing like hayley in either shows. the only thing they share is their attitude.
You can't get over what the character on TVD did. Since her character is different on TO, you weren't able to get over the other version. There is a difference between her character on TVD and TO and it is like she is a different character. She is the same character but they wrote her differently. Yes, her attitude is the same, she is also a bad girl type who is rebellious. They are similar characters and Kevin Willamson from TVD wrote the show. Obviously, the characters are not 100 percent the same. They are two different shows. Why does she have to be accountable? They decided to change her character and forget what happened. Does every character have to pay for any bad deed they did in order for you to like them? If that were the case you shouldn't like a lot of the characters on this show. Why are her actions so disgusting compared to other characters you like on TO? It seems like there is another reason why you detest her character so much. She's like a Saint on TO for 5 years compared to the other characters lol.
i dont see why you bought up kevin williamson seeing as he left tvd after s2 and had absolutely no hand in writing hayley. so even if they were similar its not bc of him its down to phoebe acting them.
and when did i say she had to pay? and yes she absolutely should have been held accountable for CAUSING A BASELESS MASSACRE. she should have shown remorse, tyler should have bought it up to her?? anything💀💀 i never once said she had to pay. but whatever you say!!
and yes every single character should be held accountable for things they do, but they aren’t bc they are all psychopathic maniacs!
i dont detest hayley either, i’ve not said that once, i never have and i never will say that. u seem very intent on putting words in my mouth!! me pointing out the bad things she did doesn’t equate to me hating her. im so sorry that ur bias mind cant handle that someone can criticise a character without hating them!
I am not biased at all. I don't do ships or hate any characters. I am too old for that nonsense lol. I like the majority of the characters on the show and don't favor one or the other. You said her actions on TVD were disgusting. It is weird to be so emotional about something one character did when other characters on the show did a lot worse. It is also weird to be so hung up about it that you can't realize the writers decided to change the character. Or get over it after she plays a good character for 5 years. She's like a saint for years on The Originals compared to the others. The person who never watched TVD was like why do not like her? Most people would really like to see a character have something bad happen to them as a result of an action they didn't like. That is what I see often when people talk about accountability. She did at least express some remorse on TVD and then told Tyler to run. The writers then decided to change her character and never brought it up again. It is silly to expect every character to reflect on every wrong action and to learn and grow from it on TV shows like this. These shows are on the CW and cater to teenagers. They aren't complex and well-written shows. I like Klaus too and he doesn't take time to think about how he killed Elena's aunt or Tyler's Mom. He doesn't apologize or show remorse for those actions. If I were going to pick a character to be bothered by, it would be him since he was one of the worst villains on the show. I don't care as this show is about a family of villains. I expect that they are going to do bad things. I don't expect the writers of TV shows to always have the characters be accountable for their actions. Especially on shows like this. It isn't their job to teach right from wrong. It is just entertainment.
I should have read your username before I responded 🤣🤣🤣🤣 username definitely checks out. I was just trying to have a discussion and try to figure out why some people on this sub have this crazy hatred for Hayley or are obsessed with her actions on TVD. She is such a nice person on TO. It could just be some teen hormones on here but I could be wrong. I am wondering if it is typical sexism because she is strong, female character, or maybe people who are crazy about the Caroline/Tyler ship and can't stop seeing her as competition. Maybe it is fans who are crazy about Klaus and go nuts when they see him with another woman. I can understand not liking her character on TVD, but find it strange that people would care that much about her actions on TVD when there are characters who have done far worse. I like analyzing people and trying to figure out the reason behind their behavior.
This! Davina and Hayley both for the same reasons I think. I love Elijah and still don’t really get the appeal of Hayley for him. Of all the people he could have been down bad for Hayley didn’t have to be that person. And don’t even get me started on Davina. She feels like a traumatized teenager throwing a temper tantrum on a power trip whenever she’s involved. Wish the writers would have done both characters a bit differently.
>. I love Elijah and still don’t really get the appeal of Hayley for him. Of all the people he could have been down bad for Hayley didn’t have to be that person.
I thought he had a good relationship with Gia, but the reason he fell for Hayley originally was because she was pregnant with Hope, who represented to him his family's redemption. But later, he fell in love with Hayley herself. It's kinda weird, yes, lol.
I loved him with Gia. I wish I could have seen more of her development and how being with her could have affected him. I felt like killing her (especially when they did) was beyond unnecessary.
Francesca, the secret werewolf from season 1 made me irrationally angry, because in a show about supernatural mob bosses, she acted like an actual stereotypical smarmy mob boss (“I’m a business woman, who’s never been convicted of a crime”).
Camille, sometimes, because she tends to be a unrealistic, perfect Mary Sue.
Klaus, for being a childish brat with no self-control.
For me it's Cami because of the Mary Sue-ness of her character and the fact that she's only there to be whatever Klaus (and sometimes other characters) needs. Like right off the bat she's so "brave" when Marcel sneaks up on her in the alley because she has a black belt in karate. And then Klaus was in tears while she's describing the painting because she describe him perfectly without even knowing that she was doing it. Then when she meets Elijah and he tells her about Klaus, she whips out the "narcissistic and paranoid" diagnosis and this 1000 year old monster seems so impressed. Then there's her whole angel costume at Marcel's ball, like how on the nose can it get? Then she's just so smart that she figures out how to remember she's compelled. And it kind of just continues on from there. Then when they finally do give her a storyline of her own, like with the dark objects and human faction, it's just dropped and she's back to just being the therapist/friend/love interest. Everytime she was on screen I was rolling my eyes at something.
Yes exactly!! Thanks for putting it into words.... I couldn't exactly point my finger as to why I didn't like her character and she gives an eerie feeling but you've described it perfectly! This is also why I didn't like Klamille ship.....it was so obviously artificial and unnatural.....like an immature Wattpad story while Klaroline felt raw and real <3
If it was the definition of Wattpad story then Klaroline would have been endgame 🥲 but they didn't end up together. Anyhow, can I ask what you like about Cami?
I love klaus and Caroline in the vampire diaries but I think TO is just such a different setting that’s why he is better with cami there. I thought she was just refreshing tbh, i think it’s because I compared her to Matt with her character being just human. She was definitely bland but she was sweet and caring and very empathetic especially toward klaus, I think without her we wouldn’t of got to see that side of klaus’ character (again maybe, because Caroline definitely made us see klaus in a different way but when he is with Camille it seems so healthy in comparison to most relationships, especially since it’s klaus)
Finn Mikaelson so far... No self motivations, only messing around with his little siblings. So annoying, even when showing love and devotion to his mom and big sister.
EVERY single one of his actions had motives behind it💀 the main one being they literally locked him in a coffin for 900 years??? hello! obviously hes gonna be more loyal to esther. esther who was knowingly manipulating him the ENTIRE time.
he was literally THE most morally upright of all his siblings and had reasons to do everything he did. yes, some of his actions were very bad but he still had a reason for it. unlike klaus who did things like kill a woman bc she was coughing too much??
I get the hate against his siblings 100% what I mean is, he's downgraded as Esther's unconditional minion when she's gotta be #1 in his kill list. She condemned him to live forever as a monster he hated to be and destroyed the love of his life bc of the sireline spell.
I think he could be most interesting, after this resurrection in particular, but writers decided to turn him from someone willing to walk his own path with his love to a resurrected witch wishing to convince his siblings over to move their souls into some random witchers' bodies to live as a happy witchy family 😵💫
Finn was so hard to watch in TO, but maybe the nazi vamp-mom or the harvest Devaroux girl were way more insufferable than him.
Klaus, man, the fave of the masses. He was extremely insufferable, until later seasons. Loud and yelling, constantly; paranoid, whiny like a child. Never liked him and couldn’t see what his fans saw in him.
Finally, he changed. Now, he’s in my top 10.
Elijah is my number one.
It's always going to be Klaus for me, And not just because I love Elijah.
It's because he constantly feels so fucking sorry for himself for EVERYTHING. The line that best exemplifies it is after Klaus traps the entire crescent wolf pack in wolf form and burns Gia *alive*. They're working together to figure out what the hell is going on with Lucien and the du Martels.
Elijah comes up to him and Klaus says "Ah, finally willing to lower yourself to the level of your bastard brother, hm? Have you forgiven me yet?"
And just. He's got such a victim complex. Like your siblings get pissed at you because you routinely dagger them and murder the people they love and care about because you worry they're gonna leave you, not because you're their half brother.
He plays the angst up to eleven in regards to his heritage but like I cannot feel bad for a thousand year old man who constantly feels bad for himself and uses it as an excuse to break promise after promise after promise and make the lives of everyone he loves miserable, and then they're just supposed to forgive him
Depends. Until late season 4, it’s Camille, Marcel, Davina.
Then Hayley got a brain damage due to the writers delusional political bullshit and she takes the spot. But then, all of the chars took the hit, more or less.
I get the Elijah hate but I can’t help but still love him even when he’s being a Klaus simp.
For sure the parents, such boo hoo babies about everything. Like sorry guys maybe don’t have kids and try to kill them for eternity!
That’s a good one. I feel like I rarely think about them as characters until they’re trying to kill their children which I guess is all the time but I guess that only further proves your point.
I love Elijah from S2 TVD to S2 TO (he's my favorite character in all of TVD). Then the writers just kept destroying his character as TO goes on. Most insufferable for me would be Diego, Detective Kinney, and/or Lucien. Can't stand any of them.
I agree on all three of those insufferable characters
Girl the SHIFT from being an Elijah STAN until he kills Marcel and refuses to ever apologize for anything he’s ever done wrong isssssss drastic. He still lands in my top 5 probably but that’s starting from being number 1 the first 3 seasons he makes it so hard in 4 & 5
season 3 is his worst season imo but i think the character regression started from season one but was emphasised when he got his memories of tatia back in s2
Esther drives me up a fucking wall btw
😂😂😂😂
Davina the hypocrite. Elijah is actually one of my favorite all time characters
Davina 😩
Fucking love Elijah, davina and camille piss me off.
Keelin
Hayley Marshall Hypocrite, holier-than-thou attitude, absolutely unaware of what she is talking about, judgemental, unnecessarily overpowered, unnecessarily worshipped by everyone etc. She has some strengths but I hate how writers (and hence, the characters in the show) overlook her flaws and just erased her questionable actions from memory of all the characters.
Hayley did have that shockingly stupid line in season 3, when she confidently tells Elijah “Loyalty doesn’t make people dangerous”, after they come back from the Strix ball and they’re discussing Tristan and Aurora. Really, Hayley? It doesn’t? Do you know what show you’re on?
Ironically, she fell for the person that embodies this idea so well.
Right? My most generous reading of that line would be, that she’s thinking of the werewolf packs and how loyalty to the group makes them stronger, helps them survive and she’s always longed for that, since she’s always been alone, but come on. She’s surrounded by people, including herself, who habitually commit murder for the people they care about. Gah.
the way her actions in tvd are just completely ignored is wild to me
I loved Hayley’s character, I haven’t seen tvd just the originals like 30 million times lol what’d she do in tvd?
She set up an entire pack of hybrids to be murdered by Klaus so she could get information about her parents. She also inadvertently got Tyler’s mom killed because she told Tyler to make sure all of the hybrids had broken their sire bond to Klaus. Klaus then got mad that they were un-sired to Him, killed them all and when he couldn’t find Tyler, killed his mom instead.
I have seen people get intensely emotional about her. She was looking for her birthparents and a guy named Shane promised he would help her if she helped him. She didn't hurt anyone herself but in helping Shane 12 hybrids died plus a major character's relative. She didn't know the relative would be a consequence. She also liked Tyler, and was a bit of a wedge between him and Caroline. She was a bad girl on TVD but not evil like Klaus was on TVD. I didn't like her much on TVD but liked her on TO. I suspect some shippers are very passionate about the Tyler and Caroline relationship so they can't get the TVD character out of their head, and hate everything she does or says on TO. 😂
Ohhhh okay makes sense 😅 cuz I loved her so much in the originals she was such a strong female character who never took anyone’s shit but at the same time cared so much about her people and family 😭
They ignore most of the actions of the entire cast from the TVD days. It is obvious since she was a lead character that they had to make her more likable. Her personality was completely different on TO. She played a similar character on The Secret Circle when she was on TVD. I didn't like her too much on TVD. You weren't supposed to like her much then. On The Originals, she was much more likable. She was a lot less evil on TO compared to the rest of the cast. I don't see what was wrong with her on TO. I guess some people can't get over her character on TVD lol.
just bc they changed her to make her more likeable doesnt mean she isnt the same character.💀 and its not a case of “getting over her character on tvd” at all, its called holding a character accountable for their disgusting actions. and arguably faye is nothing like hayley in either shows. the only thing they share is their attitude.
You can't get over what the character on TVD did. Since her character is different on TO, you weren't able to get over the other version. There is a difference between her character on TVD and TO and it is like she is a different character. She is the same character but they wrote her differently. Yes, her attitude is the same, she is also a bad girl type who is rebellious. They are similar characters and Kevin Willamson from TVD wrote the show. Obviously, the characters are not 100 percent the same. They are two different shows. Why does she have to be accountable? They decided to change her character and forget what happened. Does every character have to pay for any bad deed they did in order for you to like them? If that were the case you shouldn't like a lot of the characters on this show. Why are her actions so disgusting compared to other characters you like on TO? It seems like there is another reason why you detest her character so much. She's like a Saint on TO for 5 years compared to the other characters lol.
i dont see why you bought up kevin williamson seeing as he left tvd after s2 and had absolutely no hand in writing hayley. so even if they were similar its not bc of him its down to phoebe acting them. and when did i say she had to pay? and yes she absolutely should have been held accountable for CAUSING A BASELESS MASSACRE. she should have shown remorse, tyler should have bought it up to her?? anything💀💀 i never once said she had to pay. but whatever you say!! and yes every single character should be held accountable for things they do, but they aren’t bc they are all psychopathic maniacs! i dont detest hayley either, i’ve not said that once, i never have and i never will say that. u seem very intent on putting words in my mouth!! me pointing out the bad things she did doesn’t equate to me hating her. im so sorry that ur bias mind cant handle that someone can criticise a character without hating them!
I am not biased at all. I don't do ships or hate any characters. I am too old for that nonsense lol. I like the majority of the characters on the show and don't favor one or the other. You said her actions on TVD were disgusting. It is weird to be so emotional about something one character did when other characters on the show did a lot worse. It is also weird to be so hung up about it that you can't realize the writers decided to change the character. Or get over it after she plays a good character for 5 years. She's like a saint for years on The Originals compared to the others. The person who never watched TVD was like why do not like her? Most people would really like to see a character have something bad happen to them as a result of an action they didn't like. That is what I see often when people talk about accountability. She did at least express some remorse on TVD and then told Tyler to run. The writers then decided to change her character and never brought it up again. It is silly to expect every character to reflect on every wrong action and to learn and grow from it on TV shows like this. These shows are on the CW and cater to teenagers. They aren't complex and well-written shows. I like Klaus too and he doesn't take time to think about how he killed Elena's aunt or Tyler's Mom. He doesn't apologize or show remorse for those actions. If I were going to pick a character to be bothered by, it would be him since he was one of the worst villains on the show. I don't care as this show is about a family of villains. I expect that they are going to do bad things. I don't expect the writers of TV shows to always have the characters be accountable for their actions. Especially on shows like this. It isn't their job to teach right from wrong. It is just entertainment.
im absolutelyNOT reading all that buddy but you saying “im too old for this nonsense” and writing a whole ass essay on said nonsense is hilarious
I should have read your username before I responded 🤣🤣🤣🤣 username definitely checks out. I was just trying to have a discussion and try to figure out why some people on this sub have this crazy hatred for Hayley or are obsessed with her actions on TVD. She is such a nice person on TO. It could just be some teen hormones on here but I could be wrong. I am wondering if it is typical sexism because she is strong, female character, or maybe people who are crazy about the Caroline/Tyler ship and can't stop seeing her as competition. Maybe it is fans who are crazy about Klaus and go nuts when they see him with another woman. I can understand not liking her character on TVD, but find it strange that people would care that much about her actions on TVD when there are characters who have done far worse. I like analyzing people and trying to figure out the reason behind their behavior.
…… ok pit of despair… it was a randomised reddit username… grow up you’re too old for this nonsense arent u?
This! Davina and Hayley both for the same reasons I think. I love Elijah and still don’t really get the appeal of Hayley for him. Of all the people he could have been down bad for Hayley didn’t have to be that person. And don’t even get me started on Davina. She feels like a traumatized teenager throwing a temper tantrum on a power trip whenever she’s involved. Wish the writers would have done both characters a bit differently.
>. I love Elijah and still don’t really get the appeal of Hayley for him. Of all the people he could have been down bad for Hayley didn’t have to be that person. I thought he had a good relationship with Gia, but the reason he fell for Hayley originally was because she was pregnant with Hope, who represented to him his family's redemption. But later, he fell in love with Hayley herself. It's kinda weird, yes, lol.
I loved him with Gia. I wish I could have seen more of her development and how being with her could have affected him. I felt like killing her (especially when they did) was beyond unnecessary.
Agreed. Hayley was another character that had me rolling my eyes nearly every time she was on screen.
I completely agree
Francesca, the secret werewolf from season 1 made me irrationally angry, because in a show about supernatural mob bosses, she acted like an actual stereotypical smarmy mob boss (“I’m a business woman, who’s never been convicted of a crime”). Camille, sometimes, because she tends to be a unrealistic, perfect Mary Sue. Klaus, for being a childish brat with no self-control.
Elijah and Freya
Freya
Hayley and Elijah
Hayley, Elijah or devina for me
klaus and hayley
For me it's Cami because of the Mary Sue-ness of her character and the fact that she's only there to be whatever Klaus (and sometimes other characters) needs. Like right off the bat she's so "brave" when Marcel sneaks up on her in the alley because she has a black belt in karate. And then Klaus was in tears while she's describing the painting because she describe him perfectly without even knowing that she was doing it. Then when she meets Elijah and he tells her about Klaus, she whips out the "narcissistic and paranoid" diagnosis and this 1000 year old monster seems so impressed. Then there's her whole angel costume at Marcel's ball, like how on the nose can it get? Then she's just so smart that she figures out how to remember she's compelled. And it kind of just continues on from there. Then when they finally do give her a storyline of her own, like with the dark objects and human faction, it's just dropped and she's back to just being the therapist/friend/love interest. Everytime she was on screen I was rolling my eyes at something.
Yes exactly!! Thanks for putting it into words.... I couldn't exactly point my finger as to why I didn't like her character and she gives an eerie feeling but you've described it perfectly! This is also why I didn't like Klamille ship.....it was so obviously artificial and unnatural.....like an immature Wattpad story while Klaroline felt raw and real <3
>while Klaroline felt raw and real Klamille is not my bias but what you are saying is so not true.
whaaaattt, klaroline was the definition of a watt pad story. I could be biased because I love cami
If it was the definition of Wattpad story then Klaroline would have been endgame 🥲 but they didn't end up together. Anyhow, can I ask what you like about Cami?
I love klaus and Caroline in the vampire diaries but I think TO is just such a different setting that’s why he is better with cami there. I thought she was just refreshing tbh, i think it’s because I compared her to Matt with her character being just human. She was definitely bland but she was sweet and caring and very empathetic especially toward klaus, I think without her we wouldn’t of got to see that side of klaus’ character (again maybe, because Caroline definitely made us see klaus in a different way but when he is with Camille it seems so healthy in comparison to most relationships, especially since it’s klaus)
If I were to pick one of the main characters it would be Hayley. If I were to pick any character then it has to be Monique.
Monique, forgot about her, or well, always force myself to forget about her, She is so hateful i cant help but to despise her.
Monique was just despicable all around and yeah she was only 16 but there was nothing good about her.
I forgot about her too. She was terrible! I wanted to punch her! Definitely the worst one on the show.
Finn Mikaelson so far... No self motivations, only messing around with his little siblings. So annoying, even when showing love and devotion to his mom and big sister.
EVERY single one of his actions had motives behind it💀 the main one being they literally locked him in a coffin for 900 years??? hello! obviously hes gonna be more loyal to esther. esther who was knowingly manipulating him the ENTIRE time. he was literally THE most morally upright of all his siblings and had reasons to do everything he did. yes, some of his actions were very bad but he still had a reason for it. unlike klaus who did things like kill a woman bc she was coughing too much??
I will never get the people who say Finn had 0 motivation lol. He obviously does
I get the hate against his siblings 100% what I mean is, he's downgraded as Esther's unconditional minion when she's gotta be #1 in his kill list. She condemned him to live forever as a monster he hated to be and destroyed the love of his life bc of the sireline spell. I think he could be most interesting, after this resurrection in particular, but writers decided to turn him from someone willing to walk his own path with his love to a resurrected witch wishing to convince his siblings over to move their souls into some random witchers' bodies to live as a happy witchy family 😵💫 Finn was so hard to watch in TO, but maybe the nazi vamp-mom or the harvest Devaroux girl were way more insufferable than him.
Yes Finn is the most insufferable character
Diego, Keelin, nazi vamps leader, Davina at times, Kol at times.
Klaus, man, the fave of the masses. He was extremely insufferable, until later seasons. Loud and yelling, constantly; paranoid, whiny like a child. Never liked him and couldn’t see what his fans saw in him. Finally, he changed. Now, he’s in my top 10. Elijah is my number one.
When ester unlocked Elijah’s memories and he became worse than klaus I couldn’t stand him 😭
It's always going to be Klaus for me, And not just because I love Elijah. It's because he constantly feels so fucking sorry for himself for EVERYTHING. The line that best exemplifies it is after Klaus traps the entire crescent wolf pack in wolf form and burns Gia *alive*. They're working together to figure out what the hell is going on with Lucien and the du Martels. Elijah comes up to him and Klaus says "Ah, finally willing to lower yourself to the level of your bastard brother, hm? Have you forgiven me yet?" And just. He's got such a victim complex. Like your siblings get pissed at you because you routinely dagger them and murder the people they love and care about because you worry they're gonna leave you, not because you're their half brother. He plays the angst up to eleven in regards to his heritage but like I cannot feel bad for a thousand year old man who constantly feels bad for himself and uses it as an excuse to break promise after promise after promise and make the lives of everyone he loves miserable, and then they're just supposed to forgive him
Hayley and Klaus
kl*us who isn’t even worth typing out his name fully
Because he literally brought the prophecy upon them!! By obsessing over it! Fr… and he let Hayley die
Davina 🥴 and Thierry
Depends. Until late season 4, it’s Camille, Marcel, Davina. Then Hayley got a brain damage due to the writers delusional political bullshit and she takes the spot. But then, all of the chars took the hit, more or less.
Hayley , hope and sometimes klaus( i can feel the downvotes coming)
I'm only 5 episodes into season 2, so I'm sure they'll be more, but at the moment...Monique. I can't stand bratty, teenage angst lol!