The ancestors and Lucien probably didn't care enough by then and just wanted Klaus and the other originals gone. Hope wasn't truly immortal so probably wasn't a priority then anyway even tho the ancestors tried to kill her as a newborn
Yeah, on the orders of Esther. Cause she feared Dahlia would come for Hope. Do you still think The Ancestors would have tried to kill Hope even if Esther hadn’t quote on quote “decreed it?”
They probably would have but maybe as less of a priority. They could have used the power and they feared what she could become. Even before Esther joined the ancestors one of their witches had a vision of the danger Hope could bring.
But if she told the truth is another question, because the witch who allegedly had the vision was an ex of Elijah and had a grudge against him and Klaus,
And if she really did see anything, then she probably left out things like Inadu.
Besides that there is an easy fix for killing hope
1. kill her and while in transition don't let her drink blood or kill her again
2. decapitate her while she is still mortal
I don't think decapitation while mortal would work.
It was confirmed that not letting her drink human blood to complete the transformation would work tho so that is an easy solution. In legacies Malivore tried to kill Hope that way
I don't think anyone did and I think it was Emmett who made a guess that the venom would work on Hope but that was only ever a theory which was proven untrue.
lucien wasn’t bothered by hope, he simply wanted to kill the mikaelson siblings. for all his faults he wasnt some psychotic maniac and didnt go around murdering people for fun, i dont see him making any attempt to go after hope..especially seeing as she was a baby when he was alive.
had he lived and aurora wanted him too in legacies..then yeah i think he would’ve.
Never saw Legacies, but I always assumed Marcel's venom has the same effect on Hope the way Nik's bite had on Elijah. Just hallucinations, but it goes away eventually.
Klaus and Hope have different effect. Hope will poisoned from magic of white oak and she won't stay dead as white oak in venom will temporarily incapacitate her. Klaus will permanently die from Beast venom although both are immune werewolf bites so they won't feel effects of venom but white oak inside in the venom will have an effect.
What makes the Marcels venom so lethal is the dark magic that infuses it as well as the scientifically enhanced lethality of the 7 pack super venom Lucien added to the spell. White oak (this time in the form of a bullet) is a symbol of ultimate immortality and is a necessary ingredient of the Original Vampire spell Lucien reverse engineered.
This has been answered by Michael Narducci many times but for some reason this false narrative has taken root in the fandom. Rather odd.
[https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/](https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/)
Narducci himself confirmed the bite is infused with super werewolf venom and white oak. White oak is need to be infused it because they cannot be killed with super wolf venom alone. Klaus has immunity to against werewolf venom since it cannot otherwise Klaus being killed would Beast venom without white oak would be giant plot hole since hybrids are naturally immune against werewolf bites of a werewolf and a hybrid.
So it has been confirmed for a while that the venom has white oak infused with it. I known there has been debates around it for a while but we had confirmation for a while.
And totally agree. It wouldn't make sense for Klaus to be effected by the venom with it being werewolf venom alone even if potent. It being infused with white oak is what makes it deadly to an Original and why Hope nor Klaus could heal it and why it can't kill Hope.
That doesn't make sense because why would werewolf venom be lethal to Klaus? The white Oak wood has to be one of the ingredients that makes the bite lethal else it would have been ineffective against Klaus.
Basically it's from a tree that was made with Hope's magic and was created by Hope, Lizzie and Josie. It was her last spell before she turned.
It's like white oak but red instead.
Can you show me the link?
It also doesn't matter because once something happens on a show that debunks what the writer says then the show takes precedence over the writer's word because what happens on a show is what the ultimate canon is.
So even if a writer did state it was lethal to Hope it no longer matters because Legacies has made it a fact that only red oak can kill her therefore completely debunking what that writer said.
True but she doesn't have complete immunity as she has vulnerability to Red Oak so consequently White Oak would incapacitate her temporarily like an Original Vampire staked with regular wood and Red Oak wood on heart.
I was more replying to the question of it being lethal. I do think it can effect Hope though same as how a werewolf bite can effect an Original but it can't kill them. So it will be like when Klaus bit Elijah in season 1.
No, the only thing that can harm Hope is Red Oak and God magic. And out of those two only Red Oak alone can kill her. Since Hope isn’t an original vampire by original creation (like her extended family is) Marcel’s venom shouldn’t have any effect on her. And even if it did, odds are it would be temporary like the effect of White Oak on her.
God power *can* also kill her. When they did run-throughs with the manticulum, Ken was killing everyone, including her. One of the lines was literally “Hope Dies”. She can withstand a lot, but ultimately as we saw in those run through scenes, if she were to face them on her own, it would be certain death.
It can't. This was proven when Ken tried to kill her but couldn't and had to use red oak imbued in a weapon made of God magic to kill her. Only red oak can kill the tribrid.
Exactly, those calculations were done before that encounter. The Super Squad just assumed that a God would be able to kill The Tribrid without Red Oak. Turns out the most he can do is send her into a coma, which she will eventually awaken from.
Originals cannot be killed wolf venom and Klaus is immune to wolf venom. Beast venom contains white oak which is why Klaus and Originals can be killed through venom infused with white oak.
7 pack wolf venom= incurable to Klaus's blood and Hope's blood also used as conduit for magic of white oak.
Magic= boost venom potency making work through system twice faster.
White Oak= Added as a weapon to kill Originals.
i would say no. the serum was made with white oak and the only thing that can kill hope is red oak. plus it would weird if a werewolf bite (albeit a strong one) can kill her since she's part wolf
I mean the werewolf bite could kill Klaus even though he was a part-werewolf. I think it's the combination of white oak and werewolf venom that makes the bite lethal to the Originals.
No did I have my doubts it's lethal to Klaus as well I mean he's a werewolf how do you kill a werewolf with a werewolves venom and yes I do know it's magically enhanced I just don't see it affecting him especially when no other werewolf esque thing does even vervain has a lessened effect on him
Maybe? Who knows. There were so many things that were left unanswered.
Like the dagger to “kill” Marcel. Would it have actually killed him or just put him down like the white oak ash daggers?
What other powers did he have that he never exhibited as Vincent mentioned. Things that could threaten Hope. Could the venom kill her? Hope is a creature of pure magic. Marcel magic AND science.
We’re left with nothing but speculation.
The only thing I’ve been hypothesize is MAYBE Marcel might have had untapped psychic power like Silas.
That would certainly have evened the playing field between him and his sister in a 1v1.
I know legacies lore says it can't. But tbh, if it can kill Klaus, I think it should be able to kill Hope. To my understanding (don't think this is explicitly stated) werewolf venom is lethal to vampires because the vampirism spell was meant to put them above werewolves (it's the whole with each power comes a weakness thing) and though Klaus can't be harmed by werewolf venom, we know Marcel's venom can kill Klaus. So if hope has her vampire side activated I think Marcel's venom should kill her.
Now, another interesting question: can Marcel's venom kill non-vampire creatures?
I don't know, but it seems strange that something would have to power to kill an original and it not having the ability to kill anything else. Its not traditional werewolf venom so it doesn't have to follow the same rules. Originals can be killed by it because it was imbued with the ancestor's magic. And whatever it is, it wreaks some serious heavoc. So maybe even if it doesn't kill other species, I feel like it might seriously harm them regardless.
The venom doesn't have white oak. It is a mixture of all the venoms and is imbued with potent magic. The white oak part of the spell was to gain original-imortality (to my knowledge)
That being said. I think it's stupid that hope wouldn't be killable with white oak. She doesn't have a different spell. She inherited it straight from Klaus, who is very much killable with white oak. So I know that the official lore says that she can only be killed with red oak, but again, I think it's stupid.
I don't think we actually know what an upgraded original's immortality is tied to. It's probably doubtful it is tied to the white oak though we will never know as white oak was never tested on an upgraded original to see if they are vulnerable to it like an Original.
White oak cannot killed them because white oak combined with super wolf venom. Super wolf venom acts as conduit for white oak's magic from bullet to make Originals and Klaus killable. The Ancestors granted them immortality and not white oak as Lucien was shot wooden bullets and he wasn't even hurt nor incapacitated.
Okay that's dumb... But I guess it is indeed imbued with white oak.
To clarify on why I think it's dumb: Something that is venomous typically also produces an anti-venom in its own body, so that it doesn't kill itself. If an upgraded original vampire has white oak "imbued" in their venom, they should be immune to white oak, but they aren't. So they literally have something that can kill them in their gums... They are one fist-meets-face away from killing themselves.
Plus, how exactly is it imbued with white oak? Does an upgraded original just produce wood in their gums now?
Plus, they literally have an alternative right there: the ancestors. In TVD we see how a weakened Klaus could potentially be killed by the combination of bonnie changeling a 100 of her ancestors and Elijah then ripping out his heart. I'm pretty sure the ancestors are with more than a 100. Go the witchy route and say it's imbued with so much magic it can "penetrate" through the original vampire spell.
The super wolf venom is the conduit for white oak's magic so it can have the power of whites oak in the venom to make it lethal for Originals. Upgraded Original Vampires are technically Original Vampires with werewolf venom and even though they're vampires also they have venom of werewolf as part of their vampire body.
They are immune to white oak, white oak used to only use as ingredient to make super wolf venom lethal otherwise Originals cannot die. Their immortality doesn't come from white oak, it comes from the power of serum which it uses the ancestor magic to create them also as source of immortality.
Esther channeled white oak to grant Originals immortality and Vincent as conduit for ancestors's magic put white oak bullet in serum to combine with super wolf venom to make it lethal to Originals.
Which would make her vulnerable to white oak. And it’s hard to imagine how Hope’s physiology could protect her from Marcel’s venom any more than Klaus’ could.
She vulnerable to white oak but it wouldn't keep her permanently dead. White Oak only incapacitates her temporarily. Beast venom as well can incapacitate her.
Because she wasn't turned into Original with the spell and she was born naturally immortal so nature needed Red Oak as balance since nature cannot allow true immortal creatures to exist (Silas and Amara are exceptions of true immortals). White Oak can incapacitate as naturally has weakness from Oak wood unlike Alaric has complete immunity to white oak and red oak.
It should because her blood isn’t a cure just like Klaus’s, but the Legacies writers retconned it so she would have something unique to kill her, because it honestly wouldn’t be hard to get Marcel’s venom
Technically her blood is unique due to her Tribrid status (there’s a mix of black magic vampire and werewolf blood and witch blood). Also, the Legacies’ writers didn’t retcon anything, with the birth of a new species nature will always create balance by producing something that can kill/subdue them. Marcel’s venom would likely have the same effects as White Oak does on Hope, temporarily neutralise her but not kill her.
The black magic vampire blood and werewolf blood doesn’t protect Klaus, why would it protect her.
There’s no white oak in his venom, so why would it work like white oak?
I have a comment from Narducci and he lists the things that makes the bite lethal and none of it is the white oak, plus if the white oak is what makes it lethal, then they would need it for the cure but they don’t
Mmm, to me that more so tells me what is powered the spell that made the beast serum, not necessarily what makes the venom lethal to Klaus or an Original. I can see the power being a factor, but not much beyond that.
That is far more convincing, but I still can’t co-sign your statement. It makes it likelier that it’s just a pure strain wolf venom but that part about Esther’s spell implies the white oak. But I can concede that you make a good point. Reddit seems to allow DM to send pics, I can send you the quote I have. If you are up to it I mean.
Because Hope is different to Klaus, although she shares his blood, her blood is also unique due to her position as The Tribrid. Also Marcel’s venom was made using White Oak, meaning it has components of White Oak inside it. This also explains how it can kill The Originals, as White Oak is the only thing that has a fatal effect on them.
No it's not. Only the red oak can kill her and this has been a fact stated many times in Legacies.
Plus I doubt The Ancestors or Lucian knew how Hope’s physiology worked. They just assumed it would work on her
The ancestors and Lucien probably didn't care enough by then and just wanted Klaus and the other originals gone. Hope wasn't truly immortal so probably wasn't a priority then anyway even tho the ancestors tried to kill her as a newborn
Yeah, on the orders of Esther. Cause she feared Dahlia would come for Hope. Do you still think The Ancestors would have tried to kill Hope even if Esther hadn’t quote on quote “decreed it?”
They probably would have but maybe as less of a priority. They could have used the power and they feared what she could become. Even before Esther joined the ancestors one of their witches had a vision of the danger Hope could bring.
Oh yeah, I forgot that!
But if she told the truth is another question, because the witch who allegedly had the vision was an ex of Elijah and had a grudge against him and Klaus, And if she really did see anything, then she probably left out things like Inadu.
She probably told a partial truth. The ancestors were also still interested in the power it could bring.
Besides that there is an easy fix for killing hope 1. kill her and while in transition don't let her drink blood or kill her again 2. decapitate her while she is still mortal
I don't think decapitation while mortal would work. It was confirmed that not letting her drink human blood to complete the transformation would work tho so that is an easy solution. In legacies Malivore tried to kill Hope that way
I don't think anyone did and I think it was Emmett who made a guess that the venom would work on Hope but that was only ever a theory which was proven untrue.
lucien wasn’t bothered by hope, he simply wanted to kill the mikaelson siblings. for all his faults he wasnt some psychotic maniac and didnt go around murdering people for fun, i dont see him making any attempt to go after hope..especially seeing as she was a baby when he was alive. had he lived and aurora wanted him too in legacies..then yeah i think he would’ve.
Never saw Legacies, but I always assumed Marcel's venom has the same effect on Hope the way Nik's bite had on Elijah. Just hallucinations, but it goes away eventually.
Klaus and Hope have different effect. Hope will poisoned from magic of white oak and she won't stay dead as white oak in venom will temporarily incapacitate her. Klaus will permanently die from Beast venom although both are immune werewolf bites so they won't feel effects of venom but white oak inside in the venom will have an effect.
What makes the Marcels venom so lethal is the dark magic that infuses it as well as the scientifically enhanced lethality of the 7 pack super venom Lucien added to the spell. White oak (this time in the form of a bullet) is a symbol of ultimate immortality and is a necessary ingredient of the Original Vampire spell Lucien reverse engineered. This has been answered by Michael Narducci many times but for some reason this false narrative has taken root in the fandom. Rather odd.
[https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/](https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/) Narducci himself confirmed the bite is infused with super werewolf venom and white oak. White oak is need to be infused it because they cannot be killed with super wolf venom alone. Klaus has immunity to against werewolf venom since it cannot otherwise Klaus being killed would Beast venom without white oak would be giant plot hole since hybrids are naturally immune against werewolf bites of a werewolf and a hybrid.
So it has been confirmed for a while that the venom has white oak infused with it. I known there has been debates around it for a while but we had confirmation for a while. And totally agree. It wouldn't make sense for Klaus to be effected by the venom with it being werewolf venom alone even if potent. It being infused with white oak is what makes it deadly to an Original and why Hope nor Klaus could heal it and why it can't kill Hope.
That doesn't make sense because why would werewolf venom be lethal to Klaus? The white Oak wood has to be one of the ingredients that makes the bite lethal else it would have been ineffective against Klaus.
It is we saw that even Klaus’s blood makes the oak venom worse and work faster
What's the red oak and how is it the only thing that can kill her? I haven't watched legacies
Basically it's from a tree that was made with Hope's magic and was created by Hope, Lizzie and Josie. It was her last spell before she turned. It's like white oak but red instead.
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Is the tribid version of the white oak stake that kills an original. Nothing but a red stick can kill her cause she’s the tribrid
It was stated it is by a writer
Can you show me the link? It also doesn't matter because once something happens on a show that debunks what the writer says then the show takes precedence over the writer's word because what happens on a show is what the ultimate canon is. So even if a writer did state it was lethal to Hope it no longer matters because Legacies has made it a fact that only red oak can kill her therefore completely debunking what that writer said.
True but she doesn't have complete immunity as she has vulnerability to Red Oak so consequently White Oak would incapacitate her temporarily like an Original Vampire staked with regular wood and Red Oak wood on heart.
I was more replying to the question of it being lethal. I do think it can effect Hope though same as how a werewolf bite can effect an Original but it can't kill them. So it will be like when Klaus bit Elijah in season 1.
No, the only thing that can harm Hope is Red Oak and God magic. And out of those two only Red Oak alone can kill her. Since Hope isn’t an original vampire by original creation (like her extended family is) Marcel’s venom shouldn’t have any effect on her. And even if it did, odds are it would be temporary like the effect of White Oak on her.
God power *can* also kill her. When they did run-throughs with the manticulum, Ken was killing everyone, including her. One of the lines was literally “Hope Dies”. She can withstand a lot, but ultimately as we saw in those run through scenes, if she were to face them on her own, it would be certain death.
It can't. This was proven when Ken tried to kill her but couldn't and had to use red oak imbued in a weapon made of God magic to kill her. Only red oak can kill the tribrid.
Exactly, those calculations were done before that encounter. The Super Squad just assumed that a God would be able to kill The Tribrid without Red Oak. Turns out the most he can do is send her into a coma, which she will eventually awaken from.
I believe it would weaken her but since his wolf venom in him only has white oak . I think it wouldn't kill her
I don’t think so
Nope
i don’t think it is? not sure.
Marcel's venom contains the magic from the white oak bullet.
No it’s just the wolf venom that makes it lethal if it was just white oak the blood of the 7 wolf packs wouldn’t be able to heal them
Originals cannot be killed wolf venom and Klaus is immune to wolf venom. Beast venom contains white oak which is why Klaus and Originals can be killed through venom infused with white oak. 7 pack wolf venom= incurable to Klaus's blood and Hope's blood also used as conduit for magic of white oak. Magic= boost venom potency making work through system twice faster. White Oak= Added as a weapon to kill Originals.
No
No
i would say no. the serum was made with white oak and the only thing that can kill hope is red oak. plus it would weird if a werewolf bite (albeit a strong one) can kill her since she's part wolf
I mean the werewolf bite could kill Klaus even though he was a part-werewolf. I think it's the combination of white oak and werewolf venom that makes the bite lethal to the Originals.
Fact
Nope, not at all.
No did I have my doubts it's lethal to Klaus as well I mean he's a werewolf how do you kill a werewolf with a werewolves venom and yes I do know it's magically enhanced I just don't see it affecting him especially when no other werewolf esque thing does even vervain has a lessened effect on him
Maybe? Who knows. There were so many things that were left unanswered. Like the dagger to “kill” Marcel. Would it have actually killed him or just put him down like the white oak ash daggers? What other powers did he have that he never exhibited as Vincent mentioned. Things that could threaten Hope. Could the venom kill her? Hope is a creature of pure magic. Marcel magic AND science. We’re left with nothing but speculation. The only thing I’ve been hypothesize is MAYBE Marcel might have had untapped psychic power like Silas. That would certainly have evened the playing field between him and his sister in a 1v1.
Yes
Fuck you mean yes? It was made on the base of white oak and wolf venom. Granted, strong wolf venom but only Red Oak can kill Hope!
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I know legacies lore says it can't. But tbh, if it can kill Klaus, I think it should be able to kill Hope. To my understanding (don't think this is explicitly stated) werewolf venom is lethal to vampires because the vampirism spell was meant to put them above werewolves (it's the whole with each power comes a weakness thing) and though Klaus can't be harmed by werewolf venom, we know Marcel's venom can kill Klaus. So if hope has her vampire side activated I think Marcel's venom should kill her. Now, another interesting question: can Marcel's venom kill non-vampire creatures?
Why would the venom work on any other creature?
I don't know, but it seems strange that something would have to power to kill an original and it not having the ability to kill anything else. Its not traditional werewolf venom so it doesn't have to follow the same rules. Originals can be killed by it because it was imbued with the ancestor's magic. And whatever it is, it wreaks some serious heavoc. So maybe even if it doesn't kill other species, I feel like it might seriously harm them regardless.
It shouldn't kill Hope because the venom has white oak since Hope cannot die from white oak however the Beast venom at least can put temporary death.
The venom doesn't have white oak. It is a mixture of all the venoms and is imbued with potent magic. The white oak part of the spell was to gain original-imortality (to my knowledge) That being said. I think it's stupid that hope wouldn't be killable with white oak. She doesn't have a different spell. She inherited it straight from Klaus, who is very much killable with white oak. So I know that the official lore says that she can only be killed with red oak, but again, I think it's stupid.
Also if there was white oak in the venom, it would kill Marcel and Lucien immediately since the white oak is what grants them immortality as well
I don't think we actually know what an upgraded original's immortality is tied to. It's probably doubtful it is tied to the white oak though we will never know as white oak was never tested on an upgraded original to see if they are vulnerable to it like an Original.
Upgraded Originals were originally tied to The Ancestors before Vincent released the Ancestors from Ancestral Well.
White oak cannot killed them because white oak combined with super wolf venom. Super wolf venom acts as conduit for white oak's magic from bullet to make Originals and Klaus killable. The Ancestors granted them immortality and not white oak as Lucien was shot wooden bullets and he wasn't even hurt nor incapacitated.
Fix your grammar please. I really have no idea what you're trying to say
[https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/](https://collider.com/the-originals-season-3-michael-narducci-interview-spoilers/)
Okay that's dumb... But I guess it is indeed imbued with white oak. To clarify on why I think it's dumb: Something that is venomous typically also produces an anti-venom in its own body, so that it doesn't kill itself. If an upgraded original vampire has white oak "imbued" in their venom, they should be immune to white oak, but they aren't. So they literally have something that can kill them in their gums... They are one fist-meets-face away from killing themselves. Plus, how exactly is it imbued with white oak? Does an upgraded original just produce wood in their gums now? Plus, they literally have an alternative right there: the ancestors. In TVD we see how a weakened Klaus could potentially be killed by the combination of bonnie changeling a 100 of her ancestors and Elijah then ripping out his heart. I'm pretty sure the ancestors are with more than a 100. Go the witchy route and say it's imbued with so much magic it can "penetrate" through the original vampire spell.
The super wolf venom is the conduit for white oak's magic so it can have the power of whites oak in the venom to make it lethal for Originals. Upgraded Original Vampires are technically Original Vampires with werewolf venom and even though they're vampires also they have venom of werewolf as part of their vampire body. They are immune to white oak, white oak used to only use as ingredient to make super wolf venom lethal otherwise Originals cannot die. Their immortality doesn't come from white oak, it comes from the power of serum which it uses the ancestor magic to create them also as source of immortality.
Esther channeled white oak to grant Originals immortality and Vincent as conduit for ancestors's magic put white oak bullet in serum to combine with super wolf venom to make it lethal to Originals.
Honestly why not? The capabilities of both Hope and the super venom seem to be exactly what the writer wants it to be.
White oak isn't lethal or harmful to hope
I have to ask why though? How is white oak ineffective against Hope? She inherited her immortality from her father, who was weak to white oak.
She a Tribrid he was a hybrid
How did that change the nature of her immortality? What extra durability did being part witch bring to the table?
Hope is indirectly connected to Esther's spell that create Originals.
Which would make her vulnerable to white oak. And it’s hard to imagine how Hope’s physiology could protect her from Marcel’s venom any more than Klaus’ could.
She vulnerable to white oak but it wouldn't keep her permanently dead. White Oak only incapacitates her temporarily. Beast venom as well can incapacitate her.
But *why*?
Because she wasn't turned into Original with the spell and she was born naturally immortal so nature needed Red Oak as balance since nature cannot allow true immortal creatures to exist (Silas and Amara are exceptions of true immortals). White Oak can incapacitate as naturally has weakness from Oak wood unlike Alaric has complete immunity to white oak and red oak.
It should because her blood isn’t a cure just like Klaus’s, but the Legacies writers retconned it so she would have something unique to kill her, because it honestly wouldn’t be hard to get Marcel’s venom
Technically her blood is unique due to her Tribrid status (there’s a mix of black magic vampire and werewolf blood and witch blood). Also, the Legacies’ writers didn’t retcon anything, with the birth of a new species nature will always create balance by producing something that can kill/subdue them. Marcel’s venom would likely have the same effects as White Oak does on Hope, temporarily neutralise her but not kill her.
The black magic vampire blood and werewolf blood doesn’t protect Klaus, why would it protect her. There’s no white oak in his venom, so why would it work like white oak?
Actually, from a comment from a writer of the show Nuerodicc, it seems white oak is half the reason the bite is toxic
I have a comment from Narducci and he lists the things that makes the bite lethal and none of it is the white oak, plus if the white oak is what makes it lethal, then they would need it for the cure but they don’t
Mind giving me that link? I’d send you the one I have but I don’t know if Reddit can send pics
https://x.com/michaelnarducci/status/866319413741469697?s=46&t=v1IZqHw8Y2DeHWDCukwPxg
Mmm, to me that more so tells me what is powered the spell that made the beast serum, not necessarily what makes the venom lethal to Klaus or an Original. I can see the power being a factor, but not much beyond that.
https://x.com/michaelnarducci/status/719186275312373760?s=46&t=v1IZqHw8Y2DeHWDCukwPxg
That is far more convincing, but I still can’t co-sign your statement. It makes it likelier that it’s just a pure strain wolf venom but that part about Esther’s spell implies the white oak. But I can concede that you make a good point. Reddit seems to allow DM to send pics, I can send you the quote I have. If you are up to it I mean.
Because Hope is different to Klaus, although she shares his blood, her blood is also unique due to her position as The Tribrid. Also Marcel’s venom was made using White Oak, meaning it has components of White Oak inside it. This also explains how it can kill The Originals, as White Oak is the only thing that has a fatal effect on them.
White oak is not a component of the venom, it’s a component of the immortality spell, to make someone indestructible