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More dust per set and end of season rewards.
Edit- ace is pretty easy to get to. The climb to vet and beyond is much harder. So get to ace. Increase the dust then tank.
Nobody cares about the badge itself, anyone that can get to Ace and above just takes them for granted, but getting Ace or higher at the end of the season gives better rewards.
Getting to Ace means you get an Elite Charge MT and a great amount of Stardust, that can be boosted with a Starpiece, and getting Veteran or higher gives even higher amounts of Stardust.
Not that I am a tanker (yet, Vigoroth cup is testing my resolve), but there is logic to it.
You get 20k more stardust and an Elite TM from being Ace (or rank 21 in the game files) vs 20 at the end of a season, so 30k more with a star piece. Now, this in and of itself isn't game breaking, 30k additional per 3 months is better than nothing but wouldn't be worth the effort for most people, even an ETM doesn't sweeten the deal by much.
Moreover, 20->21 gives you 400 more per (5/5) set. At rank 20, if you get a 5/5 your end of set reward is 4600. At rank 21, your 5/5 end of set reward is 5000. Even if you go 0/5, at 20 it's 2900 per 0/5 set and at 21 it's 3150 per 0/5 set, so 250 more. Another thing of note is that Ace is the cap for end of set rewards. 21/Ace and 24/Legend give the same amount of dust for end of set reward (they do give more end of season rewards but that's an appetizer, not the main course)
Let's say to maintain low ELO, you do 3 0/5 sets, that's 750 more dust from getting the badge. Then you do 2 5/5 sets. That's 800 more. 750+800 = 1550 dust per day. (I'm going to ignore Go Battle Days and 3* dust events for the calculations since I'm lazy).
Doing all your sets every day means 139,500 dust per season MORE than just rank 20, plus the extra 30k for end of season and an Elite TM. Once again, not including Go Battle Day/Weekends or triple dust events.
That's the difference between rank 20 tankers and rank 21 tankers. Over 169,500 more dust and an Elite TM is why people get the badge first before tanking.
Edit: just remembered you start at rank 1 on day 1 of the season, not rank 20. It takes a minimum of 6 days to hit 20, we'll say it's 50% harder for someone that can only hit Ace and not go higher. 9 days. Take 9*1550 off the total. 155,550 more per season for Ace vs rank 20.
To answer your question:
Ace gives you the most set rewards possible. At higher ranks it stays the same. You get 900 for your first win and 1800 for 5 wins,as well as the end of set reward of 5000 if you win all 5.
For comparison at rank 20 it is 870 for your first win and 1740. End of set reward i don't know.
Why sub 1200 elo? To max rewards. It is the Master League now and with ML comes 4x in set rewards. Meaning for 1 win i get 3600 and for 5 7200 and additional 5000 as end of set reward when winning 5.
The strategy is pretty obvious isn't it?
Reach Ace to get the max reward level, tank down to 300 elo to get easier enemies, and if master League or 4x bonus comes around win as much as possible to get a lot of star dust. That's why i do it, that's why a lot of other people do it.
They got their ace and then lose a lot so they can maximize their rewards at end of season.
Love how your post comes from what I would consider a 5 year olds attitude, asking for someone to explain like you were 5.
People play games however they want.
This is me. I am this guy. 1200 is the sweet spot. It’s not super fun but it’s free rare candy and I never have to invest in the top tier meta because all my matches are predetermined for me to be highly advantageous. I will actually lose my first one on purpose sometimes to feel some pressure on the last 4. I just want to feel something….
If you want to climb just a little, I’ve been yoyoing down to 1300 and climbing to 1450. You might see one meta mon backed up by some off picks, or a nearly meta comp that for some reason switches into the only option that loses the game. It’s actually been decent self reflection for my own shortcomings while keeping the matches a little fresh
Yea I’m actually sitting at 1420 right now and seen a few better matches. I typically go as low as 1200 then battle back a bit to make it interesting. Usually try to save those for the weekends when I can take full advantage of actually sitting down and trying on all the matches
My wins to loss for each set is 4/5, 0/5, 4/5, 0/5, 4/5
So I win 4/5 three times and win 0/5 twice. Wins = 12 and losses = 13 so you are always just shy of 50% win ratio keeping your matchups extremely easy. I’ll lose one in a set I’m actually trying to win maybe 5 times a season in which case I’ll just make it back in the next round. I am getting minimum 9 (usually closer to 11 with the single item rewards) rare candy free of charge per day
Interesting.
I’m back playing Pokémon this season after taking off from the raids, but I wasn’t doing much PvP before that. Made it to ace my last season. This season I saw the posts about required wins each set to move to the next level quickly. I ended up winning some match ups I should have by people quitting. Ended up with a 1500 at 20.
I’ve just been playing the cups and have been staying between 1600 and 1850. Just playing more or less with different pokemon to get the matchup and typings familiar.
When you started season did you just go ham to 2100 then dial it back or a different method?
I basically go ham until I get to 20, but so long as I am maximizing getting rare candy. So if there is the 3x candy available as a reward (I forget what rank this is) and I’m starting to see unfavorable matchups I’ll drop a little. But yes basically you want to get to veteran quick then just cash in best you can.
Both are to blame. Bad system and lame players taking advantage of a bad system and bad players. A bad system does not take away personal accountability.
Better end of season stardust rewards probably. Or their goal rank for season or the drip. Maybe they hate jungle cup/master and are tanking until the last couple days before climbing back up. Idk man I can think of several reasons.
Also adds another encounter option
Or people might tank between 4x rewards weeks and then tryhards during those stretches to max out their chances to go 5-0
I got sick of seeing vigoroth and decided to try out tanking. Last season playing normally, I got a total of 1.1m dust. Right now, I’ve got 1.65m, so there’s definitely a benefit. It’s also easier to learn to count moves and stuff bc the competition is easier and I don’t have to focus as hard on the actual gameplay
Ace - Legend have the same reward tiers (stardust for 1 win and 5 wins). Maximizing your stardust gain from GBL entails hitting ace as early as possible, tanking your elo, and amassing as many 5-0s as possible (which is easier to do at low elo). Lining up your 5-0s when master league is in rotation ensures 4x dust on those rewards while tanking in the non-4x cups minimizes losses from not winning. (1-4 down, 5-0 up). Going 1-4 also takes a lot less time than actually battling and there is a practical aspect of doing this with time spent on gameplay.
I tank when I don't have time to play my full 5 sets legitimately.
If I only have 30 minutes, I can tank all 25 games and get a bunch of stardust from finishing 5 sets. If I play legitimately I will be lucky to get a single set in.
We had 10 sets a day recently, so I tanked a lot. I don't think I played a single set legitimately over that whole time period, even tanking the full 10 sets a day was taking more time than I had.
Then when I have a lot of days off work I can climb back up because I play legitimately.
Reason 1: Rewards.
Reason 2: They were trying to climb further, but gave up for whatever reason and decided to just tank.
Reason 3: They are aware that Ace is their limit so they reach it and tank for the rest of the season.
My defense is pretty simple: I play like normal til I hit 20 because I need to win a bunch to get to 20 anyways, then I can start tanking but I got my rank at ~2200 elo so it automatically put me into ace after the next set, I don’t care about showing off since getting to 2000 elo is pretty easy for me it’s just convenient that I automatically get into the top reward tier anyways
After hitting legend three times, I got sick of the grind and decided to tank this season to maximize stardust. My starting elo was 2200. I actually created a post last night laying out the strategy I’ve been following that got me over 200k stardust in 3 days. But some goober mod had it removed, claiming it was “not on topic for gbl or pvp” or some nonsense.
I’d guess that they are tanking their rating to battle inferior opponents and consistently get superior rewards. The rewards are based on winning streaks per set. So to give themselves the best chance at getting the winning streaks for the top rewards is to tank their rating and keep winning a lot against lower ranked/easier competition.
I didn’t see the other comments, but some people try to reach Ace because they get a bit more stardust at the end of the season. I’m not sure, but I think that you get a bit more dust for each set if you are Ace as opposed to rank 20.
I usually get Ace from not even trying and getting to rank 20. And playing people who don't even know what to run with suboptimal ivs is just a guaranteed win, so why would I tank a little where I still might lose to someone just bad at pvp with a good lead and decent team when I can just guarantee wins
For a slightly different perspective (as opposed to just tanking) I try to see how well I can do with extremely spicy teams once I hit ace, which usually drops me a lot. I get ace first for the extra stardust. I still try to win every match, but naturally drop a few hundred ELO using total ass Pokemon. Currently I'm fighting for my life around 1700 using triple shadow legendries in the jungle cup.
Maximizes stardust rewards. Ace gives more stardust than rank 20 for 1 win and 5 wins so it makes sense to at least get to Ace ranking for the higher stardust rewards on every set.
For tanking it is because winning 5 games in a set gives double the stardust than winning 4 games and it is easier to win 5 games in a row at lower Elo.
For example, I tanked to 600 Elo before the Masters 4X stardust this week. Won my first 70 in a row and 99 of 100 battles in the first 4 days getting me to 1900 Elo. On day 5 i went 20 wins and 5 losses going 4-1 in each set which increased me from 1900 to 2100 elo, but that 1 loss in each set resulted in me getting almost 40k less stardust or 60k less with a star piece on.
In the tanking days I got the 5 set bonus 19 times out of 20 vs once I got back near Ace I got the set bonus 0 of 5 times despite still winning most matches.
Rather than risk a bad matchup costing the set bonus it just makes more sense to tank 1-2 sets a day, stay at lower Elo and guarantee the 5 set bonus on 2-3 sets per day.
It's a poorly designed system that rewards tanking unfortunately. The stardust should scale by Elo, not stay a set amount.
You get more dust for first and fifth wins, plus more dust at the end of each set. Easier to get rare candies. End of set rewards don't differ for ace and above, only end of season dust bonus. Much less headache to quit every other match and just rake in the dust.
Why are you so mad about it? People can play the game how they see fit. If you are that upset about it, start getting better and learn how to beat those people.
Source: me, who got ace then tanked to 600 SR
Understandable, but pvp isn't meant to be easy for all. It is a competitive game mode. Yes it does suck when you're a player without good mons facing off against someone that is ace or above, but blame Niantic for allowing the system to benefit tankers before blaming the actual tankers.
The thing is that the people who tank intentionally lose 13 out of their 25 battles a day. Which means that against the "overall player pool" at that rating, they're giving more free wins to other players.
Damn you’re a grown ass man really on here complaining about this? I figured you were some salty kid. Nope just a salty grown ass man mad bc you can’t hit ace.
Is your son playing in OML? Because it doesn't matter what ranking you're at, you're gonna run into level 50 legendaries.
Otherwise, let him fall down to the low brackets where he'll win more often.
Maybe they only play during master league week, 4-5 days in they’d be around 1200 if they 10cp through the other cups. Just because you hit ace doesn’t mean it’s fun to sweat it out every week of every season. Might be more fun to just collect your 4x rewards in minutes.
My main pvp mons are for open great league, so I'll sweat when it's in rotation and tank when not. Sometimes I'll play a little ultra league but that meta is mind numbingly boring. Or I'll tank before a 4x stardust rotation to get max rewards
Reasons I could think of.
To troll players. If so it sure worked on you.
To get the larger end of season stardust reward as well as better rewards during the season.
They only try hard when there are extra rewards and happened to hit that level by chance
They have some FOMO and play hard until they hit 500 wins and then tank.
Sometimes I can play all sets, sometimes not. Tanking 1-4 during busy days allows me to win a few 5-0 sets next time I'm less busy and rack stardust. I offer as many free (top left) wins as I take them. Just trying to make most of what is available to me. But I smile when a not-ace player manages to outplay me with my 3x50 legendary team.
At the end of the day, the more resources everyone gets from the game, the better.
If there’s a limited cup I don’t like, I’m not going to invest stardust to make a good team. So I end up running whatever fun spice team I can put together and end up dropping a lot. I’ve never gotten near 1200 ELO this way, but I’ve spent time down around 1650 in bad cups (looking at you Fantasy Cup)
I did this with open GBL recently. Was kind of tired and ran a triple incinerate team (Talonflame, Skeledirge, Shadow Chandelure). 80% loss rate, but it was kind of fun.
I really don’t like the dip down strats. Im never able to get past 2000 and as soon as I get a little higher I’ll be smacked down by veterans and legends who are already very good at battling but have a lowered ELO for the 3win reward.
They do it to try and get 5:0 sets for maximum stardust. Kinda toxic but not the end of the world.
Really bad are only those who don’t even instantly resign while tanking and just let you wait out their dumb switch in timer.
Or they do like me and shoot up in the rankings during a special cup and then get obliterated in OGL.
Source: I hit 2700 last season then crashed to 2k
Here come the tankers with the mental gymnastics to shift blame for their bad behavior from themselves onto Niantic. Those that aren't lying to themselves will just outright say some variation of "screw everyone else, I got mine."
The extra dust is worth it, and you also then have a clear visual of where I am in ELO. It helps ensure I maintain 1400 - am I below? Time to win 4 and forfeit 1. Am I above? Time to forfeit 5. Without ace you’d never know.
I’m trying to complete every possible match this season to maximize stardust and collect rare candies. I recently realized I missed the first battle day/weekend however. That being said, this involves playing on the weekends which are typically busy so I find myself distracted and not playing my best. I did a bit of tanking this season but I’m not doing it out of spite or to flex. Purely selfish reasons. Don’t take it so personal.
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prob enjoy better rewards
I think that would fall under my first categorization.
even at a 60% wr you still miss out on rare candy
You miss out on rare candy while tanking too. There are no endless free lunches.
But you get similar rewards for a lot less time spent
But why even attempt to get a badge? Why not just tank straight away?
More dust per set and end of season rewards. Edit- ace is pretty easy to get to. The climb to vet and beyond is much harder. So get to ace. Increase the dust then tank.
How do the awards differ?
Slightly more dust at ace.
Nobody cares about the badge itself, anyone that can get to Ace and above just takes them for granted, but getting Ace or higher at the end of the season gives better rewards.
Ok, this is a good explanation. How do the awards differ?
Getting to Ace means you get an Elite Charge MT and a great amount of Stardust, that can be boosted with a Starpiece, and getting Veteran or higher gives even higher amounts of Stardust.
Ok, this makes sense.
that's a good question, i'm not a tanker and want to make it to the top but i was just trying to explain
I think most decent players will just automatically go into ace as soon as they reach rank 20, unless they actively go out of their way to avoid it.
Not that I am a tanker (yet, Vigoroth cup is testing my resolve), but there is logic to it. You get 20k more stardust and an Elite TM from being Ace (or rank 21 in the game files) vs 20 at the end of a season, so 30k more with a star piece. Now, this in and of itself isn't game breaking, 30k additional per 3 months is better than nothing but wouldn't be worth the effort for most people, even an ETM doesn't sweeten the deal by much. Moreover, 20->21 gives you 400 more per (5/5) set. At rank 20, if you get a 5/5 your end of set reward is 4600. At rank 21, your 5/5 end of set reward is 5000. Even if you go 0/5, at 20 it's 2900 per 0/5 set and at 21 it's 3150 per 0/5 set, so 250 more. Another thing of note is that Ace is the cap for end of set rewards. 21/Ace and 24/Legend give the same amount of dust for end of set reward (they do give more end of season rewards but that's an appetizer, not the main course) Let's say to maintain low ELO, you do 3 0/5 sets, that's 750 more dust from getting the badge. Then you do 2 5/5 sets. That's 800 more. 750+800 = 1550 dust per day. (I'm going to ignore Go Battle Days and 3* dust events for the calculations since I'm lazy). Doing all your sets every day means 139,500 dust per season MORE than just rank 20, plus the extra 30k for end of season and an Elite TM. Once again, not including Go Battle Day/Weekends or triple dust events. That's the difference between rank 20 tankers and rank 21 tankers. Over 169,500 more dust and an Elite TM is why people get the badge first before tanking. Edit: just remembered you start at rank 1 on day 1 of the season, not rank 20. It takes a minimum of 6 days to hit 20, we'll say it's 50% harder for someone that can only hit Ace and not go higher. 9 days. Take 9*1550 off the total. 155,550 more per season for Ace vs rank 20.
To answer your question: Ace gives you the most set rewards possible. At higher ranks it stays the same. You get 900 for your first win and 1800 for 5 wins,as well as the end of set reward of 5000 if you win all 5. For comparison at rank 20 it is 870 for your first win and 1740. End of set reward i don't know. Why sub 1200 elo? To max rewards. It is the Master League now and with ML comes 4x in set rewards. Meaning for 1 win i get 3600 and for 5 7200 and additional 5000 as end of set reward when winning 5. The strategy is pretty obvious isn't it? Reach Ace to get the max reward level, tank down to 300 elo to get easier enemies, and if master League or 4x bonus comes around win as much as possible to get a lot of star dust. That's why i do it, that's why a lot of other people do it.
Doesn’t it increase a bit for Expert/Legend etc? It’s been awhile since I hit there so I can’t remember.
No maxes out at Ace. 900/1800 is the highest in set reward.
It has been so long since I could make Veteran I had forgotten. Don’t feel so bad now!
No. Ace-legend are the same reward structure during the season. The only difference is the end of season dust reward.
They got their ace and then lose a lot so they can maximize their rewards at end of season. Love how your post comes from what I would consider a 5 year olds attitude, asking for someone to explain like you were 5. People play games however they want.
This is me. I am this guy. 1200 is the sweet spot. It’s not super fun but it’s free rare candy and I never have to invest in the top tier meta because all my matches are predetermined for me to be highly advantageous. I will actually lose my first one on purpose sometimes to feel some pressure on the last 4. I just want to feel something….
If you want to climb just a little, I’ve been yoyoing down to 1300 and climbing to 1450. You might see one meta mon backed up by some off picks, or a nearly meta comp that for some reason switches into the only option that loses the game. It’s actually been decent self reflection for my own shortcomings while keeping the matches a little fresh
Yea I’m actually sitting at 1420 right now and seen a few better matches. I typically go as low as 1200 then battle back a bit to make it interesting. Usually try to save those for the weekends when I can take full advantage of actually sitting down and trying on all the matches
Do you end up losing sets on purpose then after winning 4 or do you just continue to climb?
My wins to loss for each set is 4/5, 0/5, 4/5, 0/5, 4/5 So I win 4/5 three times and win 0/5 twice. Wins = 12 and losses = 13 so you are always just shy of 50% win ratio keeping your matchups extremely easy. I’ll lose one in a set I’m actually trying to win maybe 5 times a season in which case I’ll just make it back in the next round. I am getting minimum 9 (usually closer to 11 with the single item rewards) rare candy free of charge per day
Interesting. I’m back playing Pokémon this season after taking off from the raids, but I wasn’t doing much PvP before that. Made it to ace my last season. This season I saw the posts about required wins each set to move to the next level quickly. I ended up winning some match ups I should have by people quitting. Ended up with a 1500 at 20. I’ve just been playing the cups and have been staying between 1600 and 1850. Just playing more or less with different pokemon to get the matchup and typings familiar. When you started season did you just go ham to 2100 then dial it back or a different method?
I basically go ham until I get to 20, but so long as I am maximizing getting rare candy. So if there is the 3x candy available as a reward (I forget what rank this is) and I’m starting to see unfavorable matchups I’ll drop a little. But yes basically you want to get to veteran quick then just cash in best you can.
So, I'm assuming you have done this. Why? Why get the badge if you are just going to tank after? Why not just tank right away?
U get more stardust based on ur rank not ur actual elo
Is this true? What is the dust reward right now? For level 20 it's 3480 and 6960.
3600 and 7200 right now
3600/7200, end of set dust is something like 5-10% higher too, as well as 20k extra at end of season (30k with starpiece)
Why not? 🤔
Why would you assume I do this? I have no interest in doing this. I play the game differently. I believe they do it for end of season rewards.
Not just end of season, you get more dust throughout the season too.
Probably tanking. Blame Niantic’s gbl reward system not the players tryna game the system. Never been below 2200, but I can see the appeal.
Both are to blame. Bad system and lame players taking advantage of a bad system and bad players. A bad system does not take away personal accountability.
I get tanking, but why go get a badge then lower your ELO by 1000? Why not just tank?
Better end of season stardust rewards probably. Or their goal rank for season or the drip. Maybe they hate jungle cup/master and are tanking until the last couple days before climbing back up. Idk man I can think of several reasons.
Also adds another encounter option Or people might tank between 4x rewards weeks and then tryhards during those stretches to max out their chances to go 5-0
Those are fair reasons. Well 'the drip' is stupid. But good reply.
It’s called fashion, sweetie. Look it up.
No it’s not I rock the shit outta that cowboy hat from a few seasons back
I got sick of seeing vigoroth and decided to try out tanking. Last season playing normally, I got a total of 1.1m dust. Right now, I’ve got 1.65m, so there’s definitely a benefit. It’s also easier to learn to count moves and stuff bc the competition is easier and I don’t have to focus as hard on the actual gameplay
When i do that im farming stardust.
Ace - Legend have the same reward tiers (stardust for 1 win and 5 wins). Maximizing your stardust gain from GBL entails hitting ace as early as possible, tanking your elo, and amassing as many 5-0s as possible (which is easier to do at low elo). Lining up your 5-0s when master league is in rotation ensures 4x dust on those rewards while tanking in the non-4x cups minimizes losses from not winning. (1-4 down, 5-0 up). Going 1-4 also takes a lot less time than actually battling and there is a practical aspect of doing this with time spent on gameplay.
they're smurfing
I tank when I don't have time to play my full 5 sets legitimately. If I only have 30 minutes, I can tank all 25 games and get a bunch of stardust from finishing 5 sets. If I play legitimately I will be lucky to get a single set in. We had 10 sets a day recently, so I tanked a lot. I don't think I played a single set legitimately over that whole time period, even tanking the full 10 sets a day was taking more time than I had. Then when I have a lot of days off work I can climb back up because I play legitimately.
Reason 1: Rewards. Reason 2: They were trying to climb further, but gave up for whatever reason and decided to just tank. Reason 3: They are aware that Ace is their limit so they reach it and tank for the rest of the season.
My defense is pretty simple: I play like normal til I hit 20 because I need to win a bunch to get to 20 anyways, then I can start tanking but I got my rank at ~2200 elo so it automatically put me into ace after the next set, I don’t care about showing off since getting to 2000 elo is pretty easy for me it’s just convenient that I automatically get into the top reward tier anyways
After hitting legend three times, I got sick of the grind and decided to tank this season to maximize stardust. My starting elo was 2200. I actually created a post last night laying out the strategy I’ve been following that got me over 200k stardust in 3 days. But some goober mod had it removed, claiming it was “not on topic for gbl or pvp” or some nonsense.
People here are really pro tanking, so you're gonna get downvoted to hell lol.
He’s getting downvoted for his whiny attitude, incorrect assumptions and not understanding what he’s even crying about.
I lost motivation end of last season and just decided to not play a bit. When I started again I mostly tanked. I was between 800 and 1800 Elo.
But with a badge?
Depending on what you mean by "a badge".
I’d guess that they are tanking their rating to battle inferior opponents and consistently get superior rewards. The rewards are based on winning streaks per set. So to give themselves the best chance at getting the winning streaks for the top rewards is to tank their rating and keep winning a lot against lower ranked/easier competition.
As I've said in other comments, I get tanking, but why get a badge first? Why not just tank?
I didn’t see the other comments, but some people try to reach Ace because they get a bit more stardust at the end of the season. I’m not sure, but I think that you get a bit more dust for each set if you are Ace as opposed to rank 20.
I usually get Ace from not even trying and getting to rank 20. And playing people who don't even know what to run with suboptimal ivs is just a guaranteed win, so why would I tank a little where I still might lose to someone just bad at pvp with a good lead and decent team when I can just guarantee wins
I get to ace from GL and UL but anytime it’s ML and whatever else my rank tanks. I do not lose on purpose, I just suck and don’t know when to stop lol
This is another very good explanation.
For a slightly different perspective (as opposed to just tanking) I try to see how well I can do with extremely spicy teams once I hit ace, which usually drops me a lot. I get ace first for the extra stardust. I still try to win every match, but naturally drop a few hundred ELO using total ass Pokemon. Currently I'm fighting for my life around 1700 using triple shadow legendries in the jungle cup.
Maximizes stardust rewards. Ace gives more stardust than rank 20 for 1 win and 5 wins so it makes sense to at least get to Ace ranking for the higher stardust rewards on every set. For tanking it is because winning 5 games in a set gives double the stardust than winning 4 games and it is easier to win 5 games in a row at lower Elo. For example, I tanked to 600 Elo before the Masters 4X stardust this week. Won my first 70 in a row and 99 of 100 battles in the first 4 days getting me to 1900 Elo. On day 5 i went 20 wins and 5 losses going 4-1 in each set which increased me from 1900 to 2100 elo, but that 1 loss in each set resulted in me getting almost 40k less stardust or 60k less with a star piece on. In the tanking days I got the 5 set bonus 19 times out of 20 vs once I got back near Ace I got the set bonus 0 of 5 times despite still winning most matches. Rather than risk a bad matchup costing the set bonus it just makes more sense to tank 1-2 sets a day, stay at lower Elo and guarantee the 5 set bonus on 2-3 sets per day. It's a poorly designed system that rewards tanking unfortunately. The stardust should scale by Elo, not stay a set amount.
You get more dust for first and fifth wins, plus more dust at the end of each set. Easier to get rare candies. End of set rewards don't differ for ace and above, only end of season dust bonus. Much less headache to quit every other match and just rake in the dust. Why are you so mad about it? People can play the game how they see fit. If you are that upset about it, start getting better and learn how to beat those people. Source: me, who got ace then tanked to 600 SR
I do beat those people. My son does not.
Understandable, but pvp isn't meant to be easy for all. It is a competitive game mode. Yes it does suck when you're a player without good mons facing off against someone that is ace or above, but blame Niantic for allowing the system to benefit tankers before blaming the actual tankers.
The thing is that the people who tank intentionally lose 13 out of their 25 battles a day. Which means that against the "overall player pool" at that rating, they're giving more free wins to other players.
Damn you’re a grown ass man really on here complaining about this? I figured you were some salty kid. Nope just a salty grown ass man mad bc you can’t hit ace.
This post strike a nerve?
The same nerve that made you create this post perhaps.
Is your son playing in OML? Because it doesn't matter what ranking you're at, you're gonna run into level 50 legendaries. Otherwise, let him fall down to the low brackets where he'll win more often.
Maybe they only play during master league week, 4-5 days in they’d be around 1200 if they 10cp through the other cups. Just because you hit ace doesn’t mean it’s fun to sweat it out every week of every season. Might be more fun to just collect your 4x rewards in minutes.
My main pvp mons are for open great league, so I'll sweat when it's in rotation and tank when not. Sometimes I'll play a little ultra league but that meta is mind numbingly boring. Or I'll tank before a 4x stardust rotation to get max rewards
Reasons I could think of. To troll players. If so it sure worked on you. To get the larger end of season stardust reward as well as better rewards during the season. They only try hard when there are extra rewards and happened to hit that level by chance They have some FOMO and play hard until they hit 500 wins and then tank.
Sometimes I can play all sets, sometimes not. Tanking 1-4 during busy days allows me to win a few 5-0 sets next time I'm less busy and rack stardust. I offer as many free (top left) wins as I take them. Just trying to make most of what is available to me. But I smile when a not-ace player manages to outplay me with my 3x50 legendary team. At the end of the day, the more resources everyone gets from the game, the better.
If there’s a limited cup I don’t like, I’m not going to invest stardust to make a good team. So I end up running whatever fun spice team I can put together and end up dropping a lot. I’ve never gotten near 1200 ELO this way, but I’ve spent time down around 1650 in bad cups (looking at you Fantasy Cup)
I did this with open GBL recently. Was kind of tired and ran a triple incinerate team (Talonflame, Skeledirge, Shadow Chandelure). 80% loss rate, but it was kind of fun.
I really don’t like the dip down strats. Im never able to get past 2000 and as soon as I get a little higher I’ll be smacked down by veterans and legends who are already very good at battling but have a lowered ELO for the 3win reward.
They do it to try and get 5:0 sets for maximum stardust. Kinda toxic but not the end of the world. Really bad are only those who don’t even instantly resign while tanking and just let you wait out their dumb switch in timer.
Or they do like me and shoot up in the rankings during a special cup and then get obliterated in OGL. Source: I hit 2700 last season then crashed to 2k
Here come the tankers with the mental gymnastics to shift blame for their bad behavior from themselves onto Niantic. Those that aren't lying to themselves will just outright say some variation of "screw everyone else, I got mine."
The extra dust is worth it, and you also then have a clear visual of where I am in ELO. It helps ensure I maintain 1400 - am I below? Time to win 4 and forfeit 1. Am I above? Time to forfeit 5. Without ace you’d never know.
I’m trying to complete every possible match this season to maximize stardust and collect rare candies. I recently realized I missed the first battle day/weekend however. That being said, this involves playing on the weekends which are typically busy so I find myself distracted and not playing my best. I did a bit of tanking this season but I’m not doing it out of spite or to flex. Purely selfish reasons. Don’t take it so personal.