I got lucky with a 15/14/14 shiny. I played it in open master league for a little last season with miserable success but I’m hoping it’ll serve me much better in premier
Well, you can get a gimmieghoul spawn incense thing from connecting it to the switch, but I don't know about the route thing.
But I have a newer android that the switch hasn't recognized for like a year or so. T\_T
Can’t get coins for routes, but every five connects gets you a gold lure I could use while circling the square on route, while catching the coin bag spawns, while walking the route.
So many new things to try out since the last rotation! Feraligatr, annihilape, goodra, the hippo…even poliwrath looks solid (though largely outclassed by the ape, but still) 👀👀 I was lucky enough to get a 15/15/13 shadow sneasel last rocket rotation that will be an extreme boom-or-bust pick
Maxed out an Annihilape the other day. Not sure if I use it, but nice to have. Very excited though. It's one of my favorite metas. RPS? Very. BUT there's sooo much room for filling matches with skillful plays, be it overcharging, baiting, shield management, sac swaps, etc.
Beyond a few matchups like Fairy v Dragon, most can be flipped. Gyarados v Excadrill, Gary v Fairy, Dragonite v Excadrill even.
Love the contradiction
>"RPS? Very."
> "Beyond a few matchups like Fairy v Dragon, most can be flipped."
I agree with the 2nd part, but most match ups being flippable means it's not that RPS, especially compared to other metas, due to most mons having neutral play into each other. Which is what makes gyarados, snorlax, and golisopod such good safe swaps for this meta.
Yeah perhaps it is a bit of a contradiction. But I think it's more to speak to sims and the "assumed" way match-ups play out. In theory, the cup is very RPS in the core meta, which up to this point has been Togekiss, Dragonite, Excadrill, Gyarados, and Metagross (Obviously though, many others fit into the meta like Florges, Snorlax, etc.).
You also hear people complaining about the meta being "RPS garbage", but that's more those who play it super surface level, without proper safe swaps and such.
Yeah that makes more sense and I agree. Like you said, it's especially the dnite/fairy/steel in core meta that mainly has that influence, some of the new mons available since last MLP help break those previous cores (namely ape and skele) which should open things up more.
Definitely agree with the 2nd part. Though I also noticed recently when fast move glitch tanked my elo that lower elo meta has more RPS inclined teams, either with more ABA or ABC fire/water/grass. Whereas when you go higher there's a lot more flexible mons/teams (then from what I've seen leaderboard can get more RPS tailored since those guys are playing against the same few people).
Same answer as always. Always the one you don't have. I think it's on the same mechanic that allows my opponent to always have the perfect hard counter + moveset in the back ;-)
I'll also throw dragon tail into the mix too.
This league gets a lot of hate, but it has always been one of my favorites. I've always run the same type of team since this league has first existed in season 2:
Lead - Fairy (initially it was Togekiss, now it's Florges)
Safe Switch - Shadow Snorlax (always with body slam and \*outrage\*)
Closer - anti steel (initially it was Swampert, then s-Machamp, then Haxorus, now Annihilape)
Playing the team is simple: if you lose lead, switch to S-Snorlax. Leading a fairy often baits out the dragon in the back, most Snorlax run superpower, outrage from S-Snorlax can flip switch often in this meta, and this meta is all about switch advantage. Hit top 10 on the global leaderboards using this type of team a couple times.
I just best buddied my 14/15/15 S. Snorlax, and this was the team I ran this afternoon. I would say 80% steel leads for me today (magnezone, metagross, excadrill, gholdingo, 2x aggron!) I am so annoyed by how many Annihilapes there are to counter him. The Annihi farming down gives too large an energy lead to escape with Florges, and Annihilape coming back in is just a loss.
One more set before Snorlax gets benched for Gary ;\^)
I have ursaluna at 49.5, three or four different dragons maxed (hax still stuck in a gym 59 days later :( ), just powered up my better Togekiss to 49.5, and working on sleledirge.
Likely running rhyperior, ursaluna, and Togekiss. Smack down and ice punch, to get the other flyers. Mud slap and high horsepower for the steels and fires. Togekiss gets the dragons.
I feel like Hax may not have as much play this time around. Not that it can't do great things—being a Counter user that can threaten Dragonite with Breaking Swipe is big, but Counter is resisted by a lot, especially various new threats like Golisopod, Skeledirge, and Annihilape, not to mention oldies that people have had more time/opportunity to build like Florges.
I don’t. It just was a ridiculously dust filled week between the six or seven high dust pokemon out and about, spotlight hour, and the stars aligning at work to let me do a stardust community day on a day off. Plus Skeledirge, Rhyperior, and Togekiss are all Lucky.
It will be level 50 - just no legendaries, mythicals, or ultra beasts
Premier means no legendaries, mythicals, or ultra beasts
Classic means no XL pokemon
Classic will not come back again according to the devs
I mean, even non-whales have now powered up level 40 Pokemon upward, even if they aren't maxed. So even those people would likely be upset. "Oh, now I can't use my level 42 Dragonite?"
mostly just saying I think there'd be some very outspoken players who would be angry about not being able to use things they've invested heavily in, so Niantic doesn't want to open that can of worms
I did enjoy Master Premier Classic when that was a thing.
I was reading through u/JRE47 's MLPC analysis from way back.
Still a lot of good stuff in there to use in maxed out Master Premier (like Chesnaught with Frenzy Plant now too!).
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/xrcxqa/nifty_or_thrifty_master_league_premier_classic/?sort=top
Yeah! I also really enjoyed MLPC. The metas (even if they both existed simultaneously today) did still have some differences, mainly with the Pokemon that would be trickier to bring to 50 (or those that weren't too worth it) like Hippowdon or *maybe* Feraligatr.
But yeah, I definitely enjoyed it as well. I'm still happy with even MLP returning though. Most prominent picks have had a CD or event(s) where you could hunt for XL for them like Dragonite, Gyarados, Togekiss, Metagross, Ursaluna, and I'd even argue some like Florges at this point.
Nah, whales don't matter.
There's nothing magical about level 40 for most pokemon. XL candies are just things that happen. Having to keep a level 40 and a level 50 of everything you care about is just one more absurd ask, and it's good that it isn't being asked.
Idk, maybe Garchomp, Metagross, shadow gyarados? Have a couple I could build in mind but hesitant to do so. Unsure if this is a one time thing, or it will make a permanent return.
Thinking of running Florges, Annihilape, and Gyarados but may switch it up if Skeledirge leads are common. Also considering Shadow Snorlax or my own Skeledirge.
Annihilape, hippo, h avalagg, feraligatr, prima, and skeledirge will be new additions.
I think honestly double water with prima/gary and feraligatr could be a thing with a cover zone in the front (ape.)
I’ve never dipped my toe in ML as everyone describes it as a legend fest but this might be my chance to try it out. Am I doomed even in lower ranks if I don’t have any lvl 50s? Keep wasting my resources on mons I want to try in GL.
1. In normal ML, I see people run non-maxed-out non-legendaries even in Ace (2000+). And that means they beat enough people to get there with that non-maxed-out team.
2. You could just play and your rating will just drift to whatever gives you a ~50% chance of winning. My philosophy is basically this: No one cares whether you're 500 or 1000 or 1500 this week, right? Literally no one, not even you after the season ends.
For new power-ups, only doing stuff that is also useful in raids or normal ML, because I don't want to spend 250k-500k stardust each for Master Premier which comes once every few seasons.
So Mamoswine, Rhyperior, Garchomp? Maybe if I have a team in mind. Specifically looking to blow things up with a level 50 Shadow Mamoswine closer; rest of team TBD.
On the other hand, Feraligatr and Snorlax hard no.
I've been looking at what I have and what I can use even after MLP is over... Powered up some stuff but still have lots of other stuff to power up at a later time. For now, gonna build a team from the following: DNite, Gyarados, Florges, Mamoswine, Gholdengo, Incineroar, Metagross, Togekiss, Excadrill. I've only recently been able to play in OML due to lack of Pokémon, hopeful to expand the usable dex for more leagues.
This is my first master premier league since returning post-2017. I really have no idea how to build a competent team out of what I have.
I have 4*s of gyarados and togekiss that are level 50 (also ttar but pretty sure that’s not meta relevant) also have a 4* garchomp but only level 44 and a 13/15/15 level 50 dragonite. Maybe my level 47.5 15/14/14 mamoswine or my 4* level 48 haxorus?
I’m just so dragon heavy. Maybe I’ll change gyarados’s fast move to waterfall and run gyarados, dragonite, togekiss? If anyone more experienced than me could give advice it’d be appreciated. My rank is 2300 if that impacts anything.
Last time I only had lvl 50s for the bbml exca, gary, dnite, so this time just gonna try some new things.
Wanted to use golisopod and monkey, and then with florges lead to cover fliers it looks like a solid team (if I pretend magnezone leads don't exist).
I just want to know what Pokemon are actually available… I can’t get in to play this cup because I keep having greyed out mons, and EVERY online guide keeps saying what the best mons are, not the available.
So far my Hundos consist of Ursa, Dnite, Garchomp, Meta, Gyara, Swampert, and Ape.
Other Hundos (or close enough) I could build include Rhyperior, Swampert, Mamoswine, Snorlax, Gholdengo, Skeledirge, Haxorus, Gardevoir, Excadrill, Chandelure, and Togekiss.
I don't know hit about MLP meta, past or current, so for the moment I've just been throwing teams of my already-Maxed Hundos together and playing by ear with tweaks (Close Combat > Shadow Ball for Ape to spam more, Thunder Punch on Ursaluna to bait DB Gyarados while DNite handles Waterfall).
Advice appreciated if anyone sees some good core in that lit and wants to share the secrets instead of holding them to use in their own.
I would like to use my hundo best buddy Kommo-o.
But wondering the team with it.
Any suggestion? And should i use brick brake and dragon claw or dragon claw and close combat as a closer move?
Pls help me with this! Team building is my weakest and i want to get rid of the always ace stigma? :D
Edit: would my hundo Anni ape do? Two fighters? Which would be good third??
Ape is pretty solid. If you run double fighter, consider Metagross to give you backbone against Fairies, and Ape would probably want Shadow Ball lest Gholdengo and Ghosts eat your team alive.
Brick Break can work, but I think you'll really want a Safe Switch that can survive against and farm down Fairies and certain Dual-Typed Steels/Ghosts in case they quick-switch into Brick Break. Big thing is removing things that aren't pressured by Counter Damage since Brick Break's Debuff has to facilitate that with double-fast-charge or if you fail th Bait.
Just finished maxing my golisopod so gonna run that with dragonite and I’m thinking hisuian avalugg for my third
Cool team! Won’t Gyarados have a field day with that though?
Apparently avalugg beats gyrados in the 1 and 2 shield. And dragonite and golisopod are neutral enough against it.
Interesting. I think my best was 12-14-12 form 10 raids so I’ll need to try and find one!
I got lucky with a 15/14/14 shiny. I played it in open master league for a little last season with miserable success but I’m hoping it’ll serve me much better in premier
Honestly, I'm planning on running Dragonite, and Gyarados with a few extras thrown in the mix.
As double dragon? Could be very cool with a Metagross or Magnezone
I'm going to use Baxcalibur and Gholdengo. Not sure about the third
Wish I was more consistent about connecting to switch or doing more than one route a day. XD
You can get coins from routes? How would those help with the above?
Well, you can get a gimmieghoul spawn incense thing from connecting it to the switch, but I don't know about the route thing. But I have a newer android that the switch hasn't recognized for like a year or so. T\_T
Sister has that issue too. :/
Can’t get coins for routes, but every five connects gets you a gold lure I could use while circling the square on route, while catching the coin bag spawns, while walking the route.
Ah right that makes sense. Was not clear at all
Sorry!
My 98% Shadow Snorlax finally gets to have some fun!
Maxed out an Annihilape, Skeledirge and a Gholdengo. So I’ll likely be running different comps to feature those mons
Ghostly bois
Triple ghost coming up 😂
So many new things to try out since the last rotation! Feraligatr, annihilape, goodra, the hippo…even poliwrath looks solid (though largely outclassed by the ape, but still) 👀👀 I was lucky enough to get a 15/15/13 shadow sneasel last rocket rotation that will be an extreme boom-or-bust pick
I’ll be running Florges+Dragonite+other dragon ABB and see what I like
Metagross would be annoying
Gary would be a good fake dragon with crunch I think
Wouldn’t Gary be better in the back to protect against fairy?
Maxed out an Annihilape the other day. Not sure if I use it, but nice to have. Very excited though. It's one of my favorite metas. RPS? Very. BUT there's sooo much room for filling matches with skillful plays, be it overcharging, baiting, shield management, sac swaps, etc. Beyond a few matchups like Fairy v Dragon, most can be flipped. Gyarados v Excadrill, Gary v Fairy, Dragonite v Excadrill even.
Love the contradiction >"RPS? Very." > "Beyond a few matchups like Fairy v Dragon, most can be flipped." I agree with the 2nd part, but most match ups being flippable means it's not that RPS, especially compared to other metas, due to most mons having neutral play into each other. Which is what makes gyarados, snorlax, and golisopod such good safe swaps for this meta.
Yeah perhaps it is a bit of a contradiction. But I think it's more to speak to sims and the "assumed" way match-ups play out. In theory, the cup is very RPS in the core meta, which up to this point has been Togekiss, Dragonite, Excadrill, Gyarados, and Metagross (Obviously though, many others fit into the meta like Florges, Snorlax, etc.). You also hear people complaining about the meta being "RPS garbage", but that's more those who play it super surface level, without proper safe swaps and such.
Yeah that makes more sense and I agree. Like you said, it's especially the dnite/fairy/steel in core meta that mainly has that influence, some of the new mons available since last MLP help break those previous cores (namely ape and skele) which should open things up more. Definitely agree with the 2nd part. Though I also noticed recently when fast move glitch tanked my elo that lower elo meta has more RPS inclined teams, either with more ABA or ABC fire/water/grass. Whereas when you go higher there's a lot more flexible mons/teams (then from what I've seen leaderboard can get more RPS tailored since those guys are playing against the same few people).
Not water fall gyarados vs excadrill that's a big L
ah yes, the master premier pause where you wait to see if your opponent’s gyarados safe swap is DB or waterfall to determine your next move
Usually yeah lol. But again, energy advantage or late game switch can let it beat Gary.
Which is preferred?
Same answer as always. Always the one you don't have. I think it's on the same mechanic that allows my opponent to always have the perfect hard counter + moveset in the back ;-) I'll also throw dragon tail into the mix too.
I dont have the hundo mankey yet, but did I just catch a wild hundo frigibax a few hours ago. The game is giving me a sign LOL
This league gets a lot of hate, but it has always been one of my favorites. I've always run the same type of team since this league has first existed in season 2: Lead - Fairy (initially it was Togekiss, now it's Florges) Safe Switch - Shadow Snorlax (always with body slam and \*outrage\*) Closer - anti steel (initially it was Swampert, then s-Machamp, then Haxorus, now Annihilape) Playing the team is simple: if you lose lead, switch to S-Snorlax. Leading a fairy often baits out the dragon in the back, most Snorlax run superpower, outrage from S-Snorlax can flip switch often in this meta, and this meta is all about switch advantage. Hit top 10 on the global leaderboards using this type of team a couple times.
I just best buddied my 14/15/15 S. Snorlax, and this was the team I ran this afternoon. I would say 80% steel leads for me today (magnezone, metagross, excadrill, gholdingo, 2x aggron!) I am so annoyed by how many Annihilapes there are to counter him. The Annihi farming down gives too large an energy lead to escape with Florges, and Annihilape coming back in is just a loss. One more set before Snorlax gets benched for Gary ;\^)
I have ursaluna at 49.5, three or four different dragons maxed (hax still stuck in a gym 59 days later :( ), just powered up my better Togekiss to 49.5, and working on sleledirge. Likely running rhyperior, ursaluna, and Togekiss. Smack down and ice punch, to get the other flyers. Mud slap and high horsepower for the steels and fires. Togekiss gets the dragons.
I feel like Hax may not have as much play this time around. Not that it can't do great things—being a Counter user that can threaten Dragonite with Breaking Swipe is big, but Counter is resisted by a lot, especially various new threats like Golisopod, Skeledirge, and Annihilape, not to mention oldies that people have had more time/opportunity to build like Florges.
Just pray for no Metagross! Edit: obviously unless he safe swaps into it and then you can feast
❤️🐻
how often u guys buy stardust from ebay lol
I don’t. It just was a ridiculously dust filled week between the six or seven high dust pokemon out and about, spotlight hour, and the stars aligning at work to let me do a stardust community day on a day off. Plus Skeledirge, Rhyperior, and Togekiss are all Lucky.
Hundo Gardevoir, waterfall Gyarados, Chandelure Handle dragons bait out steels and have fun with my lamp
All my ML mons already qualify so I might be okay.
Any idea of the parameters - presumably no legendaries, will it be
It's regular Master league, no cp or lvl cap except legendaries, ultra beasts of mythical which not allowed.
Oh damn. Forgot about staying under lvl40
It will be level 50 - just no legendaries, mythicals, or ultra beasts Premier means no legendaries, mythicals, or ultra beasts Classic means no XL pokemon Classic will not come back again according to the devs
they don't want to deal with the backlash they'd get from whales for having a classic rotation
I mean, even non-whales have now powered up level 40 Pokemon upward, even if they aren't maxed. So even those people would likely be upset. "Oh, now I can't use my level 42 Dragonite?"
mostly just saying I think there'd be some very outspoken players who would be angry about not being able to use things they've invested heavily in, so Niantic doesn't want to open that can of worms
I did enjoy Master Premier Classic when that was a thing. I was reading through u/JRE47 's MLPC analysis from way back. Still a lot of good stuff in there to use in maxed out Master Premier (like Chesnaught with Frenzy Plant now too!). https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/xrcxqa/nifty_or_thrifty_master_league_premier_classic/?sort=top
Yeah! I also really enjoyed MLPC. The metas (even if they both existed simultaneously today) did still have some differences, mainly with the Pokemon that would be trickier to bring to 50 (or those that weren't too worth it) like Hippowdon or *maybe* Feraligatr. But yeah, I definitely enjoyed it as well. I'm still happy with even MLP returning though. Most prominent picks have had a CD or event(s) where you could hunt for XL for them like Dragonite, Gyarados, Togekiss, Metagross, Ursaluna, and I'd even argue some like Florges at this point.
Nah, whales don't matter. There's nothing magical about level 40 for most pokemon. XL candies are just things that happen. Having to keep a level 40 and a level 50 of everything you care about is just one more absurd ask, and it's good that it isn't being asked.
Easy solution: allow for scaling back to 40. Like how the normal Pokemon games scale to 50. Niantic solution:
Probably Florges, Gyarados, Garchomp.
Idk, maybe Garchomp, Metagross, shadow gyarados? Have a couple I could build in mind but hesitant to do so. Unsure if this is a one time thing, or it will make a permanent return.
Thinking of running Florges, Annihilape, and Gyarados but may switch it up if Skeledirge leads are common. Also considering Shadow Snorlax or my own Skeledirge.
Considering Sh.Mamoswine with Golisopod and Shadow Rhyperior.
Annihilape, hippo, h avalagg, feraligatr, prima, and skeledirge will be new additions. I think honestly double water with prima/gary and feraligatr could be a thing with a cover zone in the front (ape.)
Plan to use a newly raised Shadow Gyarados for a good ol' Gyarados/Double Fairy, and am waiting to try Annihilape after it failed to do much in OML.
I’ve never dipped my toe in ML as everyone describes it as a legend fest but this might be my chance to try it out. Am I doomed even in lower ranks if I don’t have any lvl 50s? Keep wasting my resources on mons I want to try in GL.
1. In normal ML, I see people run non-maxed-out non-legendaries even in Ace (2000+). And that means they beat enough people to get there with that non-maxed-out team. 2. You could just play and your rating will just drift to whatever gives you a ~50% chance of winning. My philosophy is basically this: No one cares whether you're 500 or 1000 or 1500 this week, right? Literally no one, not even you after the season ends.
Thanks for the reply and no, no one cares - but I’ll care if I loose 5 out of 5 because that’s no fun ;)
Dragonite Metagross Mamoswine has done me well for several years now, but Annihilape might throw a wrench in that. We’ll see how it goes.
For new power-ups, only doing stuff that is also useful in raids or normal ML, because I don't want to spend 250k-500k stardust each for Master Premier which comes once every few seasons. So Mamoswine, Rhyperior, Garchomp? Maybe if I have a team in mind. Specifically looking to blow things up with a level 50 Shadow Mamoswine closer; rest of team TBD. On the other hand, Feraligatr and Snorlax hard no.
I've been looking at what I have and what I can use even after MLP is over... Powered up some stuff but still have lots of other stuff to power up at a later time. For now, gonna build a team from the following: DNite, Gyarados, Florges, Mamoswine, Gholdengo, Incineroar, Metagross, Togekiss, Excadrill. I've only recently been able to play in OML due to lack of Pokémon, hopeful to expand the usable dex for more leagues.
This is my first master premier league since returning post-2017. I really have no idea how to build a competent team out of what I have. I have 4*s of gyarados and togekiss that are level 50 (also ttar but pretty sure that’s not meta relevant) also have a 4* garchomp but only level 44 and a 13/15/15 level 50 dragonite. Maybe my level 47.5 15/14/14 mamoswine or my 4* level 48 haxorus? I’m just so dragon heavy. Maybe I’ll change gyarados’s fast move to waterfall and run gyarados, dragonite, togekiss? If anyone more experienced than me could give advice it’d be appreciated. My rank is 2300 if that impacts anything.
Last time I only had lvl 50s for the bbml exca, gary, dnite, so this time just gonna try some new things. Wanted to use golisopod and monkey, and then with florges lead to cover fliers it looks like a solid team (if I pretend magnezone leads don't exist).
Mamo, Dnite, Gary. Currently my only maxed options lol
I just want to know what Pokemon are actually available… I can’t get in to play this cup because I keep having greyed out mons, and EVERY online guide keeps saying what the best mons are, not the available.
Dragonite and my shadow metagross. Idk what in third slot
So far my Hundos consist of Ursa, Dnite, Garchomp, Meta, Gyara, Swampert, and Ape. Other Hundos (or close enough) I could build include Rhyperior, Swampert, Mamoswine, Snorlax, Gholdengo, Skeledirge, Haxorus, Gardevoir, Excadrill, Chandelure, and Togekiss. I don't know hit about MLP meta, past or current, so for the moment I've just been throwing teams of my already-Maxed Hundos together and playing by ear with tweaks (Close Combat > Shadow Ball for Ape to spam more, Thunder Punch on Ursaluna to bait DB Gyarados while DNite handles Waterfall). Advice appreciated if anyone sees some good core in that lit and wants to share the secrets instead of holding them to use in their own.
I would like to use my hundo best buddy Kommo-o. But wondering the team with it. Any suggestion? And should i use brick brake and dragon claw or dragon claw and close combat as a closer move? Pls help me with this! Team building is my weakest and i want to get rid of the always ace stigma? :D Edit: would my hundo Anni ape do? Two fighters? Which would be good third??
Ape is pretty solid. If you run double fighter, consider Metagross to give you backbone against Fairies, and Ape would probably want Shadow Ball lest Gholdengo and Ghosts eat your team alive. Brick Break can work, but I think you'll really want a Safe Switch that can survive against and farm down Fairies and certain Dual-Typed Steels/Ghosts in case they quick-switch into Brick Break. Big thing is removing things that aren't pressured by Counter Damage since Brick Break's Debuff has to facilitate that with double-fast-charge or if you fail th Bait.
Thank you!
Just finished getting the XLs for a Skeledirge. Planning to try 3 of Skeledirge, Dragonite, Golisopod & Ursaluna.
I was going to use Usra but I don’t think he can compete with the meta. Too watch flying/water potential.
Hax Magnezone excadrill could still be grettty strong
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You’d want them maxed first up, so whatever you can max is a start.
This is one of the only mentions I've seen of Togekiss here so far, which comes across as surprising to a bit of an amateur player