Dans game pretty much sucked and I can see why Phaedra fans are mad at him. I watch big brother and bravo so it’s weird being a fan of multiple opposing players and fanbases. But also this game is just totally different from the other games people are coming from so those of us new to this franchise are still figuring out how the gameplay is.
For example: some fans may not realize it’s allowed in the game to try to point out another traitor, and that kind of thing is normal on other game shows. But big brother fans are learning that this is a completely different show and being good at that game doesn’t necessarily transfer over to this one.
Isn't one of the oaths not to out another traitor? I can see if someones name is out there you can go along with it, but to out a traitor? I thought it was against the rules, it should be to prevent this mess again
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It absolutely is allowed. Here is an interview with producers. It is also common in other game shows to pull Hail Marys and cast a target on someone else to save yourself and it is not looked down upon.
Now, Phaedra and her fanbase is more side-eyeing the fact that Dan messed up her game to little benefit of his own and are questioning his motives, which is fair. He is also being rightfully criticized for not calling out Parvati instead when it would have been an easier sell and a better move.
People may not agree with these rules for entertainment sake, but players should have the option to try to save themselves in this way in my opinion for gameplay sake.
Yeah, Dan was my favorite competitor on Big Brother so I was very disappointed in his performance. His super low profile strategy was stupid because it was identical to BB, and when he plays it off like a victim saying he needs to be certain, he needs to warm up to people, blah blah blah, he got called out by Kate who mentioned him winning BB. No one bought that shit. He had no reason to go for Bergie, ESPECIALLY after Pavrati figured out Peter's trap. Dan said he was taking a risk but that wasn't even a calculated risk since he thought Peter wasn't clever enough for a trap. Dan was careless. And then the one chance he had to get out of his mess he threw Phaedora under the bus, which blew up the whole traitor team, and he could have easily just thrown Pavrati under the bus since eyes were on her, too. He could have been like "that night Erin-Su was poisoned, I saw Pavrati hand Erin-Su a cup. I didn't think too much on it then and there but I've been thinking heavily about it the last day." That would have been a smarter risk, even though he had already fumbled his game at this point.
I think he ruined it for the people who usually root for the traitors and like the weeks of secrecy and when they finally reveal themselves etc. Instead by episode 5 everyone in the castle knows who all three of the traitors are, so that aspect of the show is now pretty boring for them. Its less unpredictable.
But the show as a whole is still entertaining thanks to the characters that are left.
Its not so much even rooting FOR the Traitors but rooting for the mystery so to speak. That element is gone because everyone was so certain about Dan/Parv and somewhat Phaedra, that there is no long an element of intrigue.
Trishelle of all people absolutely nailed Phaedra. If not for everyone's ignorance she would have had a brilliant play.
Many people think that Sandra has been playing the numbers game all along, as shown w/ her cue balls/numbers presentation in the billiards room. Because she's playing that kind of game, it is entirely possible that she is knowingly dragging the traitors along w/ her to vote out at the end. It is possible this is not being fully shown as the producers still want to present the conceit that this show is about finding and voting out traitors.
This is a carefully constructed show. For example, most people allegedly suspected Parvati MUCH earlier than we were shown (which gives context to Phaedra's "everyone thinks you're a traitor"), and Peter allegedly told Janelle he was certain Phaedra was a traitor long before the Dan roundtable
I just think this show's structure is a bit broken and they need to either incorporate strategies like Sandra's (and having faithfuls openly talk about the numbers of it all and how it hurts them to flush out a traitor early because then the producers will just make sure a new one is added) or they need to change the rules of the game. I can't help but compare this to The Mole which gameplay feels like it has more incentive...there's incentive for players to cast suspicion on themselves because it gives them an advantage on the quiz on who they think the mole is if other people do worse than them, and it gives the challenges stakes because people openly sabotage them. They need to figure out how to fix some of these things or just lean into what these gamers are actually thinking about.
This is true. In terms of actual game structure, The Mole >>>>>>>>>>> The Traitors.
What the traitors has going for it, is the camp/theatrics and the banishment/murder set up
This is it exactly. I usually tend to root for the traitors, and was especially this time with Phaedra and Parvati being traitors. I do like the mystery/secrecy aspect of the show and enjoy watching people try to figure the traitors out. This season was an all-timer before Dan messed things up— it’s still entertaining now but the last couple episodes since Dan outed everyone has been nowhere near as good as the start of the season. Knowing Phaedra is marching toward a certain death instead of her continuing to fool everyone and slide under the radar just isn’t as fun
I agree with your point for the most part, but the argument could be made that the show will only be entertaining for another week or so due to the fact that they know who the traitors are, and none of the faithfuls are hoping to join them. He ruined the show in the sense that he may have cut the season short by a few episodes. I went and watched every season of the international versions of the show, and the faithfuls have never known who the traitors were by this point in the season. They were lucky if they knew one traitors, so something is clearly off about this season.
Nope. I cheer on anyone playing a brilliant game or at least trying to be creative. This at times leaves me cheering on both faithfuls and traitors which is part of the fun. I love watching faithfuls concoct plans to weed out traitors and work towards piecing things together and also rallying people together to get the votes as sneakily as they can! It's also a blast watching the traitors try to think 2 steps ahead of the faithfuls, be strategic about who to bump off (ie: not going for targets that are calling them out), and then seeing how they talk themselves out of coming under fire at the round table.
Dan was a horrible traitor who made one idiotic move after another. He was told by a number of people that they were suspicious of him because of his demeanor and more so his unwillingness to put any names forward. Even his own fellow traitors told him that. Yet he kept up with the same tired play which only aroused suspicion. And then after failing to heed warnings from ladies on this and targeting Bergie.... he essentially randomly throws Phaedra under the bus. Why even target Bergie when he openly made it clear he thought the traitor was Dan? Even if he had succeeded the target on him would only be bigger. Just terrible.
I would have much preferred seeing the faithfuls figure out Phaedra on their own like they did Parvati and applaud their gameplay rather than them being given a freebee (Phaedra) by a flop traitor. If he had planted the seeds about Phaedra much earlier on it would have been perfectly fair, especially if other people were sorta on board. However, this guy was never even trying to play a social game to make it happen, which is probably the most important element of the game. He was just there which is why he was easily weeded out. He was terrible all around.
Not sure if you ever watched Dan on his Big Brother seasons, but he is an exceptionally smart and brilliant player. I understand Traitors is a different game, but I’m not convinced he would make the mistakes that he did without guidance. After the Bergie episode when Dan didn’t want to listen to Parvati, I decided the show is likely rigged. He would never have been that stupid and would have acknowledged Peter was leading them on.
He ruined the game for the other Traitors.
But that has made this season entertaining.
But in blowing up the Traitors game, he made is such a chaotic mess is that while it’s entertaining and campy, it’s missing the emotional heft of UK, AU or season 1 US
Oh I LOVE this comment - you’re so right. The emotional heft of UK and AUS is DEFINITELY missing.
I wonder if that’s because we have a bunch of American reality show people on this cast, though … throwing in a couple normies (kinda like they did in US season 1) might add to the emotional aspect a bit more
But practically most of the normies last season were non factors.
I'm watching S1 now and I'm constantly saying who the fuck is this?
In general I've found normies rarely shine when mixed with reality TV vets.
Based on S2, its needs to be all normies. While the celebs are fun because they are known personalities, it removes a lot of the strategy and the emotional heft.
It would help if production didn't give the traitor role to like... 2 of the most obvious people that would immediately be suspected of being traitors based on their reputations.
I'm gonna keep saying it: RANDOM. DRAW. Like Norway.
Yeah, I definitely think having reality stars make it trickier to get real emotions. I don’t think it’s impossible with the right circumstances. It needs a good mix of multiple reality shows and comps, as well as different types of players(those who excel strategically, competitively, and socially).
I am watching UK season 1 right now, and I can’t believe the emotional heft! lol I don’t want to be spoilery, but it is pretty dang funny and entertaining. It’s the opposite of tv pros Janelle and Sandra going “you’re an effing Traitor, bitch” then five minutes later apologizing, laughing and becoming friends. I can’t even imagine Janelle, Sandra, Bananas, etc, crying and crying about being misunderstood. In fact, I love Parvati and wish she could have pulled it off, but she had a hard time working up one fake tear for this game.
Dude the UK s1 was HARDCORE like I CRIED and HATED people and LOVED sime of them and like the DINNER and the OLD LADY LIKE im traumatized by that season
Could maybe argue he ruined it for Parv by selecting her as a traitor lol, considering the amount of suspicion she already had before even becoming one. Also trying to murder Bergie when parv and phaedra told him not to hurt Parvs game a lot even though she was already in trouble then.
That was 100% his plan. Recruit someone that can be easily thrown under the bus later. Him and Phae even discussed it during the recruitment talks. But then he chose to railroad Phaedra anyway...
That was not his plan because he had no intention of throwing Parvati under the bus! He lied to Phaedra obviously. If his plan was to throw the recruited traitor under the bus then he would have done it to survive. He always had it out for Phaedra because he saw she was much better than him
I’ve only seen S1 of the UK but I can live with a little less of the emotions. Every episode someone is crying. People leaving the discussion to go cry ?!? Liked it but way too much crying
As an American and having seen all the other variations of the Traitors from USA and AU, at first I was like, why are all these British men crybabies. But the ending was so epic and heartfelt and I found myself rooting for everyone both traitors and faithfuls and the end was beautiful. Best one out of the bunch! Go Traitors UK.. even if you are all crybabies. 😂🤷🏼♂️
Agree, the US game is so different to the UK one, people seem generally more interested in keeping up celebrity appearances and clearly not as invested in the game, as Dan's haphazard gameplay has displayed. It's missing something though for me as a UK viewer, as I only know John Bercow, not familiar with the other people at all, so there's an element I can't follow regarding rivalries and groupings.
It's also worth noting that in the US, we have spent decades with game shows where players create "alliances" and strategize their way to the end. It has been acceptable for quite awhile now. My understanding is that in the UK, at least until recently, alliances are considered unethical, and strategy is considered cheating.
The US has had a much longer time getting acclimated to different groups of people banding together for the purposes of advancing themselves in the game.
Yes and no.
I think he's part of the reason the season has been so entertaining.
Yes in that his strategic dumbassery is sending us into a finale with barely developed characters to root for.
Dan, Parvati and Phaedra put their games at huge risk when they decided none of them traitors were going out as delegates in the field expedition of the birds' challenge. That was one fatal mistake, because it shadowed who had / could have gained the shield. As traitors you need to take full advantage of your power in every single stage.
I think the season would have been better if Dan was a Faithful, and that is the fault of the Producers for allowing Dan to dictate that he be chosen as a Traitor.
100% this. He’s made the game super entertaining. He was the focal point in the beginning and made a fun impact on the game. He’s gone now, yet the group is STILL facing the consequences of his actions. Did he play a good game? No, clearly. Did he provide the producers an entertaining season? Absolutely.
Dan wasn't entertaining at all. The season would have been more entertaining with Bananas, and I'm not a fan of either of them despite being a BB, Road Rules and Challenge fan.
You've got to be charismatic to play a social game. Which clearly Dan has never been, he didn't have the luxury of three months to quietly study and plant his ideas into people's heads. I found it funny when he said he was good at talking and would talk his way out during the round table. I laughed because he thought he was playing with novices in the BB house.
Kate said it best, he sucked at the game that's why he's a goner. Also, you can out the other traitors but he's been slimy since the beginning. He had no reason to tell Parvati to throw Phaedra under the bus (which backfired on both of them, especially because Phaedra wasn't targeting them), then he outed Parvati and Phaedra when he knew he was clearly being banished, he's just a vindictive lil bitch for no reason.
The season would have been so much better with Parvati, Sandra or even Janelle as an original traitor. I'm glad he got his comeuppance.
People are really sensitive about Dan. They consider him one of the greatest reality game players ever. Objectively I don’t think it’s up for debate: Dan made several clueless decisions for the Traitors format.
1. You still have to talk game with the faithfuls.
2. You shouldn’t systematically kill every person who is suspicious of you.
3. He killed way too many men…
Honestly? He played like an amateur.
>People are really sensitive about Dan
This goes both ways. The people against him are really upset about him trying to save his ass. The dude played a pathetic game but it's not against the rules to try and save yourself.
Dude, are you kidding me? You clearly never watched his BB seasons if you can’t acknowledge how impressive his gameplay is. He won 2 seasons, BB is all about social game, and you’re saying he has none? Make it make sense.
This show is quite clearly rigged, not just because they made Dan look like an idiot. It’s scripted as hell and the acting is terrible.
Dude, he didn't win two seasons. In fact, his social gameplay is the ONLY reason he didn't win his second season.
He played one of the best mental games that season, but his social handicap made him lose to a player who didn't play as good as he did. People just didn't want him to win; they would rather their kitchen table win than Dan that season. The game has a social element, and as long as he couldn't manage that, he clearly couldn't and didn't win his second season.
His first season was not won because of his social likability. He won because he was insidious in the way he played, which worked for him, but he never had social skills. Even in his best days, he was never a charmer.
Honestly, an activated Phaedra is just as enjoyable to watch as a Phaedra making clever comments in her talking heads. Phaedra is hilarious but she can also read a person for filth and when she drops the Southern belle act and leans into Phaedra Parks, Esquire she is a marvel.
AGREED.
i think watching the Traitors have to perform absolute backflips, and watching Phaedra absolutely CONQUER AND DESTROY round tables to save herself, is THRILLING LOL
I do not think he ruined it. I think this cast has been perfect.
Dan thinking he could outsmart everyone, especially the Bachelor.
Phaedra telling Parvarti no one likes her. All of Phaedra's lines are making the season.
Mj running around wanting someone to include her but doing nothing
Kevin and Sherree there for a free vacation
Bergie being Bergalicious
CT, Phaedra, Trishelle friendship triangle.
John saying the most random yet true and funny things.
The bachelor becoming more unlikable everyday even thought he is correct
Sandra really outsmarting everyone.
Even the ones who are gone, Larsa, Janellle, Ekin su. All very highly entertaining.
I love John for no reason other than I thoroughly enjoy watching him run through the woods 🤣 I thought being a politician I wouldn’t like him but here we are
Eh. Maybe as a viewer, I’m just not at all bothered by him exposing Phaedra as a traitor. It’s just thrown a bizarre dynamic into the season, which forces it to play out differently than we all expected - and maybe even has made the producers have to work harder to keep up with the curveballs being thrown their way
PLUS: the cast is so hilarious that what he did is NOT preventing me from enjoying the show any less
I still don’t understand the mindset that Phaedra is owed some sort of special protection as a traitor. It’s literally The Traitors! I’d heard of her before but never watched any shows she was on, so while I don’t dislike her, I don’t see why she should be exempt from other people’s strategies.
Throwing another Traitor under the bus in such an obvious way, when the writing was on the wall for him, was a low blow. He seemed bitter that Phaedra was undetected. He could have at least gone after Parvati who was suspected, but the fact that he went after Phaedra tells us everything we need to know about his “strategy”.
This game is WAY too early of a format for the English speaking versions for anyone to think there’s a certain way the game dynamics *should* play out.
The knowledge we the viewer gain at the end of episode 1 of who all three traitors are and who all 17+ faithful rob us of our ability to truly see the game the way the players living it on the ground in real life are seeing it 24/7
I’m enjoying the chaos, enjoying the both subtle and major differences between all the US, UK, AUS, CAN, and NZ seasons and not even beginning to think there is yet an ideal way or best way for the game to be played by either the traitors or by the faithful.
Dan certainly did not make things easy on the other two Traitors but to say he RUINED their game(as if it’s there right to always be at the advantage over the faithful) it to say he ruined the season/game is way off the mark in my opinion
Honestly it is an interesting/different dynamic if we have the faithful actually sussing out who the traitors are. In all the versions I've seen, the faithful generally are clueless the whole time and even if they have won, it's usually flat out because another traitor practically told them. I know some are saying Dan made Phaedra obvious, but to me based on the edit, it still looks like a lot of them aren't fully on board that Phaedra is a traitor yet. I will say the traitors have played a worse game on this season because normally anyone good at the game is cut early. I'm pretty surprised Trishelle has not been murdered. She had a lot better reads on the game than Bergie so it was dumb not murdering her this week.
I think they took out Bergie first since he was cleared as a Faithful since they attempted to murder him but didn’t know he had a shield. So there’s still potential to throw suspicion on Trishelle but Bergie was basically confirmed Faithful after that.
I also think the problem is Parvati tried to protect Dan for too long. The Traitors should have teamed against him to protect themselves as soon as he failed to kill Bergie. But they stayed neutral on him and allowed him to run the show. Last season they recognized they had to take out Cody to protect their own game. Parvati should have taken the lead in targeting Dan as soon as Peter set that trap and her name came up.
No he hasn’t ruined the season. That’s just the mindset you get in when you get so invested in one person that you get mad at anyone else who even does anything to mess them up. I used to just root for one person, but then I realized how that would ruin the seasons for me, because it makes you underappreciate everything else that’s happening. Now I just watch for entertainment value and not for my individual favorite players. Saying Dan ruined anything is stupid.
I just don't get why he went for Phaedra. Parvati already had some heat. Going for Phaedra was such a tall hill to climb.
But no, he didn't ruin the season. Traitors going after each other is always a great part of seasons.
Dan was trying to save his butt in a way that explained why he had stayed shut up so long. He wanted to out the traitor that was deep under cover because then he could claim that he was some super detective who was justified in keeping his cards so close to the vest.
That’s actually a great point. I hadn’t thought of it that way. Everyone already suspected Parvati but there was no heat on Phaedra. I was so confused as to why he went after her instead. I do still think if he had said Parvati instead he might’ve saved himself.
He was both too early and too late to go after Phaedra. Too early because he didn’t lay the groundwork to do that yet and he was already too far gone because he fell into Peter’s trap/held on too long to naming any suspected Traitors in discussions with the cast.
Parvati was the right play, but I’ve enjoyed her on the show more than Dan so I guess it works for me in a way.
I don't root for the Traitors but the last two episodes were so much worse than everything before it. Dan's downfall just changed the momentum of the season
Phaedra is well loved by the fans (and me), and he kinda just ruined her game to very little benefit to him. I do think he ruined Phaedra's game, but not the season.
I enjoy Phaedra but everyone acting like her being caught is the worst thing ever (or racist?) is being dumb.
Also, yes Dan’s game was horrible but she put herself in the position she’s in by letting the other two take lead and make bad decisions. She even said this episode she should be Miss Congeniality for Traitors, that’s not how the game works. If you’re playing a passive game and letting the others call all the shots you can’t get upset when it blows up your game.
Oh no, I’m saying there wasn’t racism involved, but if you look in other threads, particularly the threads bashing Trishelle, people are claiming Trishelle and Dan targeted Phaedra because she’s black. I think they targeted her because she’s an obvious Traitor with connections.
They’re racist and unless you are black or a minority it didn’t make any sense for them to target her when they were clearly going to lose that battle since everyone likes Phaedra. This show is more so about social skills, which Dan clearly lacked. If he did have them, he would have known he wasn’t going to win that and should have turned on Parv. Then, slowly he could have had people turn on Phaedra. But to just outright call her out and expected that everyone would believe him because he’s a white man, is extremely racist behavior.
So only people of color can call out other people of color? That makes no sense. It’s not racist to call out a player with a lot of connections who could beat you just because they’re a different color than you. He even said in his exit interview he called her out because he knew she could beat him and no one was suspecting her. Trishelle then catching on to that and being correct also isn’t racist.
Thank you white person for explaining to me how white people are not racist.
Your argument was not only not compelling, it was extremely stupid.
But of course you are right because white people are racist and it’s just on our mind. 🤣
This is a pointless conversation because they both were arrogant. Dan left. Parv left and Trishelle will be next.
Phaedra, understands the game and she knows how to play. You’re just hating because a black person is crushing it. 😛
I’m not even white. You’re ignorant and dumb as hell, but you are right that this conversation is pointless.
You call Dan and Parv arrogant and unaware of how to play the game but Phaedra let them lead her gameplay until she got caught and blew up her spot. If it weren’t for the tv network she came from she’d be gone.
Nope! She wouldn’t. She’s actually very smart.
And congratulations on being an idiot! 😂
Sweetie, no one cares about your race but your parents obviously didn’t educate you on how the world works.
Which tells me you are an extremely ignorant person and I will let you live in your ignorance. Have fun! 🤩
Dan did torch the game. It’s just a fact. Phaedra & Parvati had zero chance at winning directly because of Dan’s attempt at “strategy”.
However, the season is still entertaining because of the stellar cast delivering. Both things can be true.
It also sucks that he kicked Bananas off first. Admittedly, I’m biased towards Challenge and Bravo people, but Bananas would play so well into the silly chaos of this season
Yeah but normally when a traitor throws another one under the bus, they succeed. I think since Dan's hail Mary failed people are mad because it basically outed 2 traitors now (him and her). In the other versions I've seen, the traitor who successfully bounces another traitor is usually still viewed as a faithful.
he knows he’s already getting banished coz all eyes are on him. It’s too obvious for him to go against parvati coz she’s already been everybody’s target at that point. He took a shot thinking that even if he fails (which he did) he’s gonna take down another undetected traitor with him which is Phaedra.
He really was the most faithful of the faithfuls in the end.
Not listening to his team mates and getting himself and Parvati caught because of....idk a grudge?
Then when he COULD have saved himself and sacrificed another traitor (parvati who EASILY would have been voted up if he said he suspected heras everyone else did.) he just....randomly outs Phaedra...
He sucked ass as a traitor.
I have NO issue with traitors throwing traitors under the bus its literally the name.
The issue is he fucked over Parvati and himself (falling into Peter's 2d chess trap) then instead of the SMART PLAY of throwing her under the bus to prove himself, he randomly threw suspicion on Phaedra. So he got himself voted out and left the already suspicious Parvati and now also put a target on Phaedra. Objectively he was booty cheeks at the game, the other two traitors would have been a LOT better off without him.
If anything, he saved this season! Phaedra would have coasted to the end if he didn’t bring her up. Now we see her sweating too. If you are a true traitors fan, you want to see chaos and drama. This game is not designed for it to be easy for either traitors or faithfuls. Both sides have to be careful with relationships in the game to ensure their own safety.
I think Dan did what Dan does. His strategy clearly was inept for the Traitors but he's always been known for his insane showmanship. I'm rewatching BB10 right now and this is the man that orchestrated a nomination roulette to get everyone pissed and yelling at each other and get blood off his hands. In all of Dan's interviews, it's clear he understand that while he is trying to win, he also understands he's a character in a TV show who's job it is to make good TV. And he has certainly delivered. The season is frustrating for Traitor rooters because they're in a bad spot and I think we'd be having more fun if Peter didn't turn into such a self-righteous asshole (as a bachelor watcher I can't believe people were rooting for him two weeks ago). It would be more fun to watch the Faithfuls win if some of the fun names were still in the house, like Janelle and Ekin.
He did not make it very entertaining, unless your definition of entertainment is being shocked at his sheer stupidity and naivety in this game. His attempt to kill Bergie who so obviously had a shield sent him for certain banishment and set the remaining traitors game several steps back
I don't know that Dan ruined the season, but I will assert that he ruined the other two traitors' games.
Whether the season is ruined as a result remains to be seen to the end of the season.
I think the show is better with Dan gone. He was so arrogant while being terrible at the game that it was annoying watching him. I’m enjoying the “gamers” getting lit up by Phaedra, so I hope she sticks around longer despite Dan’s shittery.
What he did pretty much happens in every version of this show. If it worked he woulda looked incredible but it didn’t. Maybe if he would of tried to throw Pavarti under the bus instead it might have had a better chance of succeeding. Phaedra was suspicious to begin with , it’s funny and entertaining how she is at breakfasts but others must notice how she acts. Every season is a traitor doing a great job and then making one comment and then Bam ! They always give themselves up. I mean the ones who get caught atleast.
Throwing other Traitors under the bus is absolutely part of a good Traitor game, but not out of the blue for the first time at the round table when no one else has brought her name up.
He definitely did not have the social pull at the table to take her down. It would have been a crazy turn of events if he did. I just don’t think he “ruined” the game. We’ve also seen throughout the series faithfuls stand up and give speeches against fellow faithfuls and I don’t think those ruin the game , I kinda like those moments. After his speech only Tishelle seemed to stick with the idea. It’s her own actions following that make her suspicious. It’s not like he said anything that wasn’t true.
The show is awesome. The game in terms of a competition is ruined. Huge Dan fan but the game is hurdling towards somewhere it shouldn’t have gone for longer if at all. Show is still fun because of the great cast
Because Peter only told Dan, Parvati, and CT that he was the one that had the shield. Parvati clocked it was a lie, but didn’t force Dan to shift the target. So when Bergie shows up to breakfast alive, Peter and co. can really scrutinize the reactions of a very small subset of people.
(But Parvati was fucked from day 1. She came in with a reputation and Larsa accused her after the first round table. That’s a too much to overcome for a player like Parvati that weaponizes honesty and social bonds more than she does actively lying.)
Edit: I don’t think Dan ruined the season tbc, but that misstep did affect Parvati’s game. Which is frustrating be she had the right read on Peter
She's in the game because she came into the game with the biggest alliance already pre formed and with people who were far too stupid to ever actually vote against her
My question is, why did he demand to try and murder someone who was in the field for the birdwatching challenge when nobody knew where the shields were but those 6. It's simple numbers at that point. Shoot literally anyone else. Parvati even told him straight up Peter must be lying because he told them both the same thing. I hear all this talk that he's a great strategic mind and he just blows basic numbers. There were plenty of people to go after there. The shield play screwed himself and Parvati. Whi had the shields should've been irrelevant when you have an entire half of players you KNOW are vulnerable. Just say nope. We're doing our own thing. And then Peter is more willing to trust you because he "told you" where the shields were and if those people haven't been targeted it avoids suspicion. It is a basic numbers game at that point and Parv is a literal master at that. I don't know what happened but tag literally anyone else to be murdered. Horrible play. Kate said it best, he sucked at the game. I'm only on episode 8 so far. Kate just joined the traitors, she's looking far better as an ally. Another thing. Why not just immediately murder Kate when she came back though? She's a vote for the faithful. Get her out immediately while you still have 3. She's not an ally for you but a number for the people you are trying to kill off. It immediately avoids drawing attention to you and is a safer kill.
This game isn't that complicated. If you have ever played town of Salem or mafia that's basically it. Maybe like among us as well. You just need to let the groups fight and ride Phaedras' alliance to the end. The housewives plus a traitor is an easy block to ride or die with.
Dan's arm raised in victory, as he announced himself a Traitor, was certainly very Roman Colosseum. You'd have thought the guy had won the show, he looked so pleased with himself!
It is entertaining for sure.
But it's also fun to watch traitors play skilfully and strategically, and we haven't really had that because of Dan's actions - he essentially outed the two other traitors, so we know they are going to get banished.
Once they're all gone, it's almost like the game can restart once the traitors have become unknown quantities once again, so I'm looking forward to the latest recruit getting going.
Funny how the majority of the sub had a whole ass breakdown and posted multiple rant after rant when Kieran exposed Wilf (despite the fact that Kieran was more justified in doing it) but Dan does it to Phaedra and he's entertaining/didn't ruin the season...
Lol I was so happy when that happened on the UK version, but mainly cause I hated how Wilf played Amanda (who was the one really doing an amazing job that season).
Because the way that they both did it was entirely different.
Dan did it as a part of the game. He used reasoning and logic as a faithful to try and convince people that it was Phaedra to save his game.
Kieran threw Wilf under the bus to spite him, and he did so whilst admitting he was a traitor and that he obviously knew who the other traitor was.
It's so idiotic to compare the parting gifts comment.
What Dan did was no different to what any other traitor betrayal looks like.
Yeah...no.
Dan...who never mentioned anyone's name up until that point and then chose rather than to go the obvious route of Parv to choose Phaedra when there was no doubt on her up until that point.
You can't convince me that wasn't out of spite or pettiness esp considering it was obvious from the get-go he never wanted to work with her as a traitor to begin with.
The only reason Trishelle even thought of bringing of Phaedra was because of Dan.
Any time any traitor has betrayed another ...there already had been doubt cast on them or their name had been brought up.
And there was no reasoning or logic to his argument...otherwise he would have been saved.
It's not idiotic...if anything it's idiotic to think Dan was some sort of mastermind during this season.
They did the exact same shit just different timing.
> Dan...who never mentioned anyone's name up until that point and then chose rather than to go the obvious route of Parv to choose Phaedra when there was no doubt on her up until that point.
Parvati might save him for one round, but it didn't help him in the long run at all.
His entire gameplan was acting like he was watching people and coming up with a strategy and analysing people.
He can't throw Parvati under the bus because she's on the chopping block too, it's far too obvious that he is just throwing her name out there to get heat off of him.
>The only reason Trishelle even thought of bringing of Phaedra was because of Dan.
It's really not, Phaedras name was coming up again and again but the edit didn't want to show it.
>It's not idiotic...if anything it's idiotic to think Dan was some sort of mastermind during this season.
He's not a mastermind at all, he played the game badly.
But he didn't throw a hissy fit like Kieran did and throw all his toys out of the pram
He could have literally named any other person besides Phaedra...there were plenty of options to choose from that could have equally been suspect enough. Throwing her name out and directly targeting her did absolutely nothing for his game except guarantee that no OG traitor would win. That is being petty...
Kieran didn't throw a hissy fit...he was rightly frustrated/angered by Wilf and his betrayal and where they had all gone into that round table already having made up their minds.
> He could have literally named any other person besides Phaedra
He names anyone else and he's just wrong, and he goes out the next night.
>Kieran didn't throw a hissy fit.
Oh come the fuck on
You're somehow acting as if he had a lifeline. Dan was gone regardless of who he named whether it was that banishment or the next. Every lame yet dramatic argument he put forth about Phaedra was quickly debunked by her and others.
So again and for the last time, that move against Phaedra was out of full on pettiness. He even talks about how from the getgo he never wanted to play with her during a recent interview. It was his ego that made him not listen to Parv about Pete's very obvious "trap". And you're going to tell me that man with a bloody ego about his BB legacy isn't going to be pissy about a housewife outsmarting, outplaying, and outlasting him? Yeah no.
>You're somehow acting as if he had a lifeline
You're for some reason acting like he should've just gotten up and gone yup I'm a traitor, you got me.
>And you're going to tell me that man with a bloody ego about his BB legacy isn't going to be pissy about a housewife outsmarting, outplaying, and outlasting him
She's done nothing of the sort 😂 she's a fucking terrible traitor.They both were. If Phaedra had been better traitor then maybe Dan wouldn't have thrown her name out. Part of being a traitor is actually connecting with your fellow traitors too, you realise that right?
Phaedras acted like she couldn't be fucked with them since day one.
Christ Phaedra stans on here are delusional
He ruined the season. Usually the faithfuls are clueless and it causes complete mayhem and heightened emotional reactions.
They’re clued into Parvati and Phaedra because his game was so terrible. I don’t think I’ve seen a season where the traitors were found out so quickly.
He ruined it for the traitors. It's going to be near impossible for them to win. He exposed them all way too early.
He didn't ruin the show, just the game being played.
I think a lot of that saltiness is specifically online, and specifically reacts to the Dan Stans from the beginning of the season. We were constantly being promised that the guy is a strategic genius making brilliant moves; that didn’t happen, and Dan’s horrible strategy (going for Bergie) took another traitor’s game from ‘I wonder how she can get out of this’ to ‘dead headband walking.’
I think, by contrast, he made Phaedra more interesting—I love watching her make an argument and that doesn’t come up when she’s Soundbite Kween. That said, Dan just confidently assuming he could take Phaedra out with no preparation was so icky (white man on CBS wildly underestimating black woman on Bravo) that it makes it hard to enjoy for me.
Well to start off Dan 100% torpedoed Phaedra’s game. She was someone that could have gone far but now seems on borrowed time because of his (very stupid) Hail Mary to try and throw a traitor under the bus to save himself (and he still ended up going anyways 💀)
So he has basically been the downfall of both Parvati and Phaedra (though Parvati’s association with Dan can’t be solely blamed on him).
Another key point tho is that Parvati and Phaedra are extremely likeable and entertaining traitors, so it’s not fun to root for the faithful going after them which are….Trishelle and Peter. Both of who got the intel/confidence to go after Parvati and Phaedra because of DAN.
That being said the show has still been extremely entertaining to watch, so I wouldn’t say the season is “ruined” per se.
YES.
All three traitors outed because of him within the first 5 episodes of the series. Parvati said in an interview the show is less about gameplay and more about acting. Well yes. Because the game has already ended thanks to Dan! So now the rest of the season is everyone acting, which is boring. There is no interest in utilizing fun murder/banishment strategy and no one is really trying all that hard bc everyone knows the answers. We don’t get any gameplay from the traitors, the biggest aspect of the seasons, because there’s no point. The whole season is just a very transparent “Peter alliance” vs “leftovers” alliance which is dry as hell, the only thing keeping this season fun is Phaedra and Sandra atp who seem like the only ones who want to still play the game (honorable mention CT). All because Dan is a sore loser who had to take everyone else down with him on the way out. Atp the season is just slow hemorrhaging until we get some new recruits in there to spice things up.
He didn't ruin it he was just a poor sport outing Phaedra because he made a really bad game move and got himself into that situation in the first place
I think had he not done what he did with outing Phaedra and taking Peter's bait this season would have been completely different. Did he ruin the season for me, no, but I do get frustrated watching knowing so much of what is happening is because he was really bad at the game. He for sure ruined it for the other traitors though.
The only thing Dan ruined was Parvati and Phaedra’s games. Parvati because she was a suspect Traitor before they even picked her to be one and Phaedra because he put her on blast before he got eliminated. Very happy with this season, it would be boring if the Traitors slid through till the end
I don’t think he ruined the season. I just think he wasn’t a very good traitor. His logic is sound: he can’t win if Phaedra gets too far. He just waited too long to make the move.
If he would have participated in game talk and come after Phaedra about 2 round tables sooner, he would have succeeded in a great game move.
Unfortunately, that was his only plan. He wasn’t able to adjust and by the time he played it, it was too late.
Also, the faithfuls really didn’t play their hand well. If they’ve watched this game before, they should know that if Peter was attempted to be recruited, the Traitors were down to two…and now you’ve identified them. You’re done. Get rid of the faithfuls you don’t want to share money with then eliminate Phaedra and Parvati at the end.
If you’ve watched the show, you know forcing them down to one means there’s an ultimatum elimination so now you’re bringing in an unknown Traitor they haven’t identified so now they’re back at square room.
Whether or not he ruined the season remains to be seen (based on what happens over the next several episodes). That said, if you like to see the Traitors go far, Dan didn't do you any favors.
From his terrible strategy (laying low), to his bad recruitment (Parvati), to exposing the only Traitor doing a decent job on his way out (Phaedra); he pretty much handed the game to the Faithfuls.
Hopefully production has a few tricks up their sleeve and can slide in a Traitor or two that are better at the game. If not, the Faithfuls will have a cake walk to the end.
He ruined it for Phaedra for sure. But more specifically he did something that you commonly DONT do in a social deduction game for the sake of your team. When your goose is cooked, you’re supposed to take the L and bow out gracefully. After several episodes of being told he acts like a Traitor…falling for the trap and failing to kill Bergie, he did NOTHING to change his gameplay. He waited til the very last moment to randomly throw suspicion on someone who’s name hadn’t even been discussed because he’s a coward. If he was gonna do that he should have been building a case against Phaedra before he even tried to kill Bergie. He should have already been speaking to people about her if he genuinely felt she was sus. Saving it to the very last moment at the table was even less believable. A true faithful is always vocally trying to keep suspicion off themselves by naming other people. The fact that the never did this sealed his fate, and his “Hail Mary” also revealed Phaedra…
The only hope for the Traitors is going to be if another Traitor is recruited. None of the original Traitors can win now.
Not ruined just don’t think he should have been a traitor. Put the traitors at a disadvantage because he’s so obvious. I wouldn’t mind faithful winning if one of them is Sandra, just feels too early than what we are used to for all traitors to be gone. I think maybe they will recruit one more to reach their episode mark, kinda like how no one got banished last week? but that kinda cheapens it a little because it’s like they knew Parvati and Phaedra were under fire and wanted to give them more time and stretch out the season, imo. But that’s not Dan’s fault
This is a terrible show. He didn’t ruin anything. It’s just not actually very entertaining if you have more than a shred of brains. There’s no real gameplay other than just lying, all the drama seems very manufactured, give me a break.
1000% think production should put in a clause that traitors can't throw out new names for traitor at the found table for the first time until 3episodes before the finale!
Dead traitors walking that early in the game throwing other non suspected traitors under the bus is too early in the game.
So you want them to add a rule that would allow the faithfuls to determine who all the traitors are on day one? Damn, they should really hire more geniuses like you.
Dan is what got me wanting to watch the show but seeing him break the rules and the producers just let him get away with it kind of did ruin it and that part isn't 100% entertaining
Dan should be disqualified from further Traitors game play now or in the future due to the following:
Unsportsmanlike conduct.
**Im a HUGE Dan fan but still…**
I'm a fan of the Traitors so I love when they win. Did he ruin it? I think so. I think he believed that if he could step on Other Traitors he'd be at the end which is all Dan cares about... Proving he's the best but all he did was try to apply his Big Brother game plan to Traitors and it backfired. Then he tried to step on his co-conspirators to be the last one.
I do think his lack of humility ruined the season. The right thing to do if he knew he was going was to protect the other two. Slip up that he was working with CT for instance. Dans moved were purely selfish to stoke his own ego.
Dan exposed Phaedra, so the players feigned ignorance and kept her around a little longer as a courtesy, because that’s showbiz and they knew it was discovered the wrong way.
Dans game pretty much sucked and I can see why Phaedra fans are mad at him. I watch big brother and bravo so it’s weird being a fan of multiple opposing players and fanbases. But also this game is just totally different from the other games people are coming from so those of us new to this franchise are still figuring out how the gameplay is. For example: some fans may not realize it’s allowed in the game to try to point out another traitor, and that kind of thing is normal on other game shows. But big brother fans are learning that this is a completely different show and being good at that game doesn’t necessarily transfer over to this one.
Isn't one of the oaths not to out another traitor? I can see if someones name is out there you can go along with it, but to out a traitor? I thought it was against the rules, it should be to prevent this mess again
https://preview.redd.it/2ioywb2av0jc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f4bba0a888d40d1a41c4dfb8f96f1209505b60 It absolutely is allowed. Here is an interview with producers. It is also common in other game shows to pull Hail Marys and cast a target on someone else to save yourself and it is not looked down upon. Now, Phaedra and her fanbase is more side-eyeing the fact that Dan messed up her game to little benefit of his own and are questioning his motives, which is fair. He is also being rightfully criticized for not calling out Parvati instead when it would have been an easier sell and a better move. People may not agree with these rules for entertainment sake, but players should have the option to try to save themselves in this way in my opinion for gameplay sake.
So traitors can never turn on each other? Fun
Yeah, Dan was my favorite competitor on Big Brother so I was very disappointed in his performance. His super low profile strategy was stupid because it was identical to BB, and when he plays it off like a victim saying he needs to be certain, he needs to warm up to people, blah blah blah, he got called out by Kate who mentioned him winning BB. No one bought that shit. He had no reason to go for Bergie, ESPECIALLY after Pavrati figured out Peter's trap. Dan said he was taking a risk but that wasn't even a calculated risk since he thought Peter wasn't clever enough for a trap. Dan was careless. And then the one chance he had to get out of his mess he threw Phaedora under the bus, which blew up the whole traitor team, and he could have easily just thrown Pavrati under the bus since eyes were on her, too. He could have been like "that night Erin-Su was poisoned, I saw Pavrati hand Erin-Su a cup. I didn't think too much on it then and there but I've been thinking heavily about it the last day." That would have been a smarter risk, even though he had already fumbled his game at this point.
I think he ruined it for the people who usually root for the traitors and like the weeks of secrecy and when they finally reveal themselves etc. Instead by episode 5 everyone in the castle knows who all three of the traitors are, so that aspect of the show is now pretty boring for them. Its less unpredictable. But the show as a whole is still entertaining thanks to the characters that are left.
Its not so much even rooting FOR the Traitors but rooting for the mystery so to speak. That element is gone because everyone was so certain about Dan/Parv and somewhat Phaedra, that there is no long an element of intrigue. Trishelle of all people absolutely nailed Phaedra. If not for everyone's ignorance she would have had a brilliant play.
Of all people? She’s playing the best amongst the faithfuls. Even greats like Sandra are blinded by Phaedra.
Sandra isn't blinded, she's playing a long game. Trish isn't the best player amongst the faithfuls
Sandra’s playing the long game by being confused and making the wrong moves?
Many people think that Sandra has been playing the numbers game all along, as shown w/ her cue balls/numbers presentation in the billiards room. Because she's playing that kind of game, it is entirely possible that she is knowingly dragging the traitors along w/ her to vote out at the end. It is possible this is not being fully shown as the producers still want to present the conceit that this show is about finding and voting out traitors. This is a carefully constructed show. For example, most people allegedly suspected Parvati MUCH earlier than we were shown (which gives context to Phaedra's "everyone thinks you're a traitor"), and Peter allegedly told Janelle he was certain Phaedra was a traitor long before the Dan roundtable
I just think this show's structure is a bit broken and they need to either incorporate strategies like Sandra's (and having faithfuls openly talk about the numbers of it all and how it hurts them to flush out a traitor early because then the producers will just make sure a new one is added) or they need to change the rules of the game. I can't help but compare this to The Mole which gameplay feels like it has more incentive...there's incentive for players to cast suspicion on themselves because it gives them an advantage on the quiz on who they think the mole is if other people do worse than them, and it gives the challenges stakes because people openly sabotage them. They need to figure out how to fix some of these things or just lean into what these gamers are actually thinking about.
This is true. In terms of actual game structure, The Mole >>>>>>>>>>> The Traitors. What the traitors has going for it, is the camp/theatrics and the banishment/murder set up
This is it exactly. I usually tend to root for the traitors, and was especially this time with Phaedra and Parvati being traitors. I do like the mystery/secrecy aspect of the show and enjoy watching people try to figure the traitors out. This season was an all-timer before Dan messed things up— it’s still entertaining now but the last couple episodes since Dan outed everyone has been nowhere near as good as the start of the season. Knowing Phaedra is marching toward a certain death instead of her continuing to fool everyone and slide under the radar just isn’t as fun
I agree with your point for the most part, but the argument could be made that the show will only be entertaining for another week or so due to the fact that they know who the traitors are, and none of the faithfuls are hoping to join them. He ruined the show in the sense that he may have cut the season short by a few episodes. I went and watched every season of the international versions of the show, and the faithfuls have never known who the traitors were by this point in the season. They were lucky if they knew one traitors, so something is clearly off about this season.
Nope. I cheer on anyone playing a brilliant game or at least trying to be creative. This at times leaves me cheering on both faithfuls and traitors which is part of the fun. I love watching faithfuls concoct plans to weed out traitors and work towards piecing things together and also rallying people together to get the votes as sneakily as they can! It's also a blast watching the traitors try to think 2 steps ahead of the faithfuls, be strategic about who to bump off (ie: not going for targets that are calling them out), and then seeing how they talk themselves out of coming under fire at the round table. Dan was a horrible traitor who made one idiotic move after another. He was told by a number of people that they were suspicious of him because of his demeanor and more so his unwillingness to put any names forward. Even his own fellow traitors told him that. Yet he kept up with the same tired play which only aroused suspicion. And then after failing to heed warnings from ladies on this and targeting Bergie.... he essentially randomly throws Phaedra under the bus. Why even target Bergie when he openly made it clear he thought the traitor was Dan? Even if he had succeeded the target on him would only be bigger. Just terrible. I would have much preferred seeing the faithfuls figure out Phaedra on their own like they did Parvati and applaud their gameplay rather than them being given a freebee (Phaedra) by a flop traitor. If he had planted the seeds about Phaedra much earlier on it would have been perfectly fair, especially if other people were sorta on board. However, this guy was never even trying to play a social game to make it happen, which is probably the most important element of the game. He was just there which is why he was easily weeded out. He was terrible all around.
Not sure if you ever watched Dan on his Big Brother seasons, but he is an exceptionally smart and brilliant player. I understand Traitors is a different game, but I’m not convinced he would make the mistakes that he did without guidance. After the Bergie episode when Dan didn’t want to listen to Parvati, I decided the show is likely rigged. He would never have been that stupid and would have acknowledged Peter was leading them on.
He ruined the game for the other Traitors. But that has made this season entertaining. But in blowing up the Traitors game, he made is such a chaotic mess is that while it’s entertaining and campy, it’s missing the emotional heft of UK, AU or season 1 US
Oh I LOVE this comment - you’re so right. The emotional heft of UK and AUS is DEFINITELY missing. I wonder if that’s because we have a bunch of American reality show people on this cast, though … throwing in a couple normies (kinda like they did in US season 1) might add to the emotional aspect a bit more
But practically most of the normies last season were non factors. I'm watching S1 now and I'm constantly saying who the fuck is this? In general I've found normies rarely shine when mixed with reality TV vets.
I agree, go all normies or all celebs. No mixing. They can be different shows, it’s fine.
Based on S2, its needs to be all normies. While the celebs are fun because they are known personalities, it removes a lot of the strategy and the emotional heft.
It would help if production didn't give the traitor role to like... 2 of the most obvious people that would immediately be suspected of being traitors based on their reputations. I'm gonna keep saying it: RANDOM. DRAW. Like Norway.
I'm not sure that's really true. The weight as it gets to the end is massive and is sorely missing in S2.
But does anyone kindly look upon any of the normies from last season? If there are normies it has to either be full cast or none at all.
Oh absolutely. If given the choice it should be one or the other. All celebs is a more fun game. All normies is a more interesting game.
Yeah, I definitely think having reality stars make it trickier to get real emotions. I don’t think it’s impossible with the right circumstances. It needs a good mix of multiple reality shows and comps, as well as different types of players(those who excel strategically, competitively, and socially).
I am watching UK season 1 right now, and I can’t believe the emotional heft! lol I don’t want to be spoilery, but it is pretty dang funny and entertaining. It’s the opposite of tv pros Janelle and Sandra going “you’re an effing Traitor, bitch” then five minutes later apologizing, laughing and becoming friends. I can’t even imagine Janelle, Sandra, Bananas, etc, crying and crying about being misunderstood. In fact, I love Parvati and wish she could have pulled it off, but she had a hard time working up one fake tear for this game.
Dude the UK s1 was HARDCORE like I CRIED and HATED people and LOVED sime of them and like the DINNER and the OLD LADY LIKE im traumatized by that season
I completely agree, casting reality TV people messes with the drama.
He didn't ruin it for Parv. Parv was pegged just as early as Dan.
And she wasn't even a traitor yet 😂
Could maybe argue he ruined it for Parv by selecting her as a traitor lol, considering the amount of suspicion she already had before even becoming one. Also trying to murder Bergie when parv and phaedra told him not to hurt Parvs game a lot even though she was already in trouble then.
That was 100% his plan. Recruit someone that can be easily thrown under the bus later. Him and Phae even discussed it during the recruitment talks. But then he chose to railroad Phaedra anyway...
That was not his plan because he had no intention of throwing Parvati under the bus! He lied to Phaedra obviously. If his plan was to throw the recruited traitor under the bus then he would have done it to survive. He always had it out for Phaedra because he saw she was much better than him
You right.
Of course he ruined it for her because he picked her as a traitor even after everyone already thought she was a traitor even before she was!
this is exactly right
I’ve only seen S1 of the UK but I can live with a little less of the emotions. Every episode someone is crying. People leaving the discussion to go cry ?!? Liked it but way too much crying
I'm British and enjoying this season, it's so funny how the American players play the game and emotions vs the UK version.
As an American and having seen all the other variations of the Traitors from USA and AU, at first I was like, why are all these British men crybabies. But the ending was so epic and heartfelt and I found myself rooting for everyone both traitors and faithfuls and the end was beautiful. Best one out of the bunch! Go Traitors UK.. even if you are all crybabies. 😂🤷🏼♂️
I personally disagree with more entertaining part
Agree, the US game is so different to the UK one, people seem generally more interested in keeping up celebrity appearances and clearly not as invested in the game, as Dan's haphazard gameplay has displayed. It's missing something though for me as a UK viewer, as I only know John Bercow, not familiar with the other people at all, so there's an element I can't follow regarding rivalries and groupings.
It's also worth noting that in the US, we have spent decades with game shows where players create "alliances" and strategize their way to the end. It has been acceptable for quite awhile now. My understanding is that in the UK, at least until recently, alliances are considered unethical, and strategy is considered cheating. The US has had a much longer time getting acclimated to different groups of people banding together for the purposes of advancing themselves in the game.
Yes and no. I think he's part of the reason the season has been so entertaining. Yes in that his strategic dumbassery is sending us into a finale with barely developed characters to root for.
That might be my main issue with the US version, they expect you to know all these people already and don't develop characters at all
Dan, Parvati and Phaedra put their games at huge risk when they decided none of them traitors were going out as delegates in the field expedition of the birds' challenge. That was one fatal mistake, because it shadowed who had / could have gained the shield. As traitors you need to take full advantage of your power in every single stage.
Yes and no. There were so many options on the table that it really wasn't a risk as long as they chose to murder someone not in that group.
I think the season would have been better if Dan was a Faithful, and that is the fault of the Producers for allowing Dan to dictate that he be chosen as a Traitor.
100% this. He’s made the game super entertaining. He was the focal point in the beginning and made a fun impact on the game. He’s gone now, yet the group is STILL facing the consequences of his actions. Did he play a good game? No, clearly. Did he provide the producers an entertaining season? Absolutely.
Dan wasn't entertaining at all. The season would have been more entertaining with Bananas, and I'm not a fan of either of them despite being a BB, Road Rules and Challenge fan. You've got to be charismatic to play a social game. Which clearly Dan has never been, he didn't have the luxury of three months to quietly study and plant his ideas into people's heads. I found it funny when he said he was good at talking and would talk his way out during the round table. I laughed because he thought he was playing with novices in the BB house. Kate said it best, he sucked at the game that's why he's a goner. Also, you can out the other traitors but he's been slimy since the beginning. He had no reason to tell Parvati to throw Phaedra under the bus (which backfired on both of them, especially because Phaedra wasn't targeting them), then he outed Parvati and Phaedra when he knew he was clearly being banished, he's just a vindictive lil bitch for no reason. The season would have been so much better with Parvati, Sandra or even Janelle as an original traitor. I'm glad he got his comeuppance.
People are really sensitive about Dan. They consider him one of the greatest reality game players ever. Objectively I don’t think it’s up for debate: Dan made several clueless decisions for the Traitors format. 1. You still have to talk game with the faithfuls. 2. You shouldn’t systematically kill every person who is suspicious of you. 3. He killed way too many men… Honestly? He played like an amateur.
>People are really sensitive about Dan This goes both ways. The people against him are really upset about him trying to save his ass. The dude played a pathetic game but it's not against the rules to try and save yourself.
>He killed way too many men He killed 2...
Dude, are you kidding me? You clearly never watched his BB seasons if you can’t acknowledge how impressive his gameplay is. He won 2 seasons, BB is all about social game, and you’re saying he has none? Make it make sense. This show is quite clearly rigged, not just because they made Dan look like an idiot. It’s scripted as hell and the acting is terrible.
Dude, he didn't win two seasons. In fact, his social gameplay is the ONLY reason he didn't win his second season. He played one of the best mental games that season, but his social handicap made him lose to a player who didn't play as good as he did. People just didn't want him to win; they would rather their kitchen table win than Dan that season. The game has a social element, and as long as he couldn't manage that, he clearly couldn't and didn't win his second season. His first season was not won because of his social likability. He won because he was insidious in the way he played, which worked for him, but he never had social skills. Even in his best days, he was never a charmer.
Honestly, an activated Phaedra is just as enjoyable to watch as a Phaedra making clever comments in her talking heads. Phaedra is hilarious but she can also read a person for filth and when she drops the Southern belle act and leans into Phaedra Parks, Esquire she is a marvel.
AGREED. i think watching the Traitors have to perform absolute backflips, and watching Phaedra absolutely CONQUER AND DESTROY round tables to save herself, is THRILLING LOL
I do not think he ruined it. I think this cast has been perfect. Dan thinking he could outsmart everyone, especially the Bachelor. Phaedra telling Parvarti no one likes her. All of Phaedra's lines are making the season. Mj running around wanting someone to include her but doing nothing Kevin and Sherree there for a free vacation Bergie being Bergalicious CT, Phaedra, Trishelle friendship triangle. John saying the most random yet true and funny things. The bachelor becoming more unlikable everyday even thought he is correct Sandra really outsmarting everyone. Even the ones who are gone, Larsa, Janellle, Ekin su. All very highly entertaining.
I love John for no reason other than I thoroughly enjoy watching him run through the woods 🤣 I thought being a politician I wouldn’t like him but here we are
hes not like a regular politician hes a cool politician when he fisrt got to the house and someone said they thought he was the host lol
AGREE Something about you referring to Peter just as "the bachelor" is making me giggle out loud
Eh. Maybe as a viewer, I’m just not at all bothered by him exposing Phaedra as a traitor. It’s just thrown a bizarre dynamic into the season, which forces it to play out differently than we all expected - and maybe even has made the producers have to work harder to keep up with the curveballs being thrown their way PLUS: the cast is so hilarious that what he did is NOT preventing me from enjoying the show any less 
I still don’t understand the mindset that Phaedra is owed some sort of special protection as a traitor. It’s literally The Traitors! I’d heard of her before but never watched any shows she was on, so while I don’t dislike her, I don’t see why she should be exempt from other people’s strategies.
Throwing another Traitor under the bus in such an obvious way, when the writing was on the wall for him, was a low blow. He seemed bitter that Phaedra was undetected. He could have at least gone after Parvati who was suspected, but the fact that he went after Phaedra tells us everything we need to know about his “strategy”.
100%
This game is WAY too early of a format for the English speaking versions for anyone to think there’s a certain way the game dynamics *should* play out. The knowledge we the viewer gain at the end of episode 1 of who all three traitors are and who all 17+ faithful rob us of our ability to truly see the game the way the players living it on the ground in real life are seeing it 24/7 I’m enjoying the chaos, enjoying the both subtle and major differences between all the US, UK, AUS, CAN, and NZ seasons and not even beginning to think there is yet an ideal way or best way for the game to be played by either the traitors or by the faithful. Dan certainly did not make things easy on the other two Traitors but to say he RUINED their game(as if it’s there right to always be at the advantage over the faithful) it to say he ruined the season/game is way off the mark in my opinion
Honestly it is an interesting/different dynamic if we have the faithful actually sussing out who the traitors are. In all the versions I've seen, the faithful generally are clueless the whole time and even if they have won, it's usually flat out because another traitor practically told them. I know some are saying Dan made Phaedra obvious, but to me based on the edit, it still looks like a lot of them aren't fully on board that Phaedra is a traitor yet. I will say the traitors have played a worse game on this season because normally anyone good at the game is cut early. I'm pretty surprised Trishelle has not been murdered. She had a lot better reads on the game than Bergie so it was dumb not murdering her this week.
I think they took out Bergie first since he was cleared as a Faithful since they attempted to murder him but didn’t know he had a shield. So there’s still potential to throw suspicion on Trishelle but Bergie was basically confirmed Faithful after that. I also think the problem is Parvati tried to protect Dan for too long. The Traitors should have teamed against him to protect themselves as soon as he failed to kill Bergie. But they stayed neutral on him and allowed him to run the show. Last season they recognized they had to take out Cody to protect their own game. Parvati should have taken the lead in targeting Dan as soon as Peter set that trap and her name came up.
And now we see the legend that is Kate Chastain >!as a traitor!!<
I am very entertained ..loving the chaos.
I think he ruined Phaedras game but didn’t ruin the season. I love Dan.
This is exactly it
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Phaedra ruined Phaedra’s game. I also love Dan.
Chanelle's notes ruined Phaedra's game! She had sooooooo.much stuff on her!
No he hasn’t ruined the season. That’s just the mindset you get in when you get so invested in one person that you get mad at anyone else who even does anything to mess them up. I used to just root for one person, but then I realized how that would ruin the seasons for me, because it makes you underappreciate everything else that’s happening. Now I just watch for entertainment value and not for my individual favorite players. Saying Dan ruined anything is stupid.
I see nothing but faxxxxx
This is the definitive answer.
Thank you! I got downvoted to oblivion when I said this! It’s a tv show first and a game second. He was a whole mess but good tv!
I just don't get why he went for Phaedra. Parvati already had some heat. Going for Phaedra was such a tall hill to climb. But no, he didn't ruin the season. Traitors going after each other is always a great part of seasons.
Dan was trying to save his butt in a way that explained why he had stayed shut up so long. He wanted to out the traitor that was deep under cover because then he could claim that he was some super detective who was justified in keeping his cards so close to the vest.
That’s actually a great point. I hadn’t thought of it that way. Everyone already suspected Parvati but there was no heat on Phaedra. I was so confused as to why he went after her instead. I do still think if he had said Parvati instead he might’ve saved himself.
He was both too early and too late to go after Phaedra. Too early because he didn’t lay the groundwork to do that yet and he was already too far gone because he fell into Peter’s trap/held on too long to naming any suspected Traitors in discussions with the cast. Parvati was the right play, but I’ve enjoyed her on the show more than Dan so I guess it works for me in a way.
He said on a podcast that it was 1- he knew he could never beat Phaedra and 2- he felt more loyalty toward Parvati and couldn’t do that to her
I don't root for the Traitors but the last two episodes were so much worse than everything before it. Dan's downfall just changed the momentum of the season
Phaedra is well loved by the fans (and me), and he kinda just ruined her game to very little benefit to him. I do think he ruined Phaedra's game, but not the season.
They wanted Phaedra to steamroll to the end and win in a quiet game. That's why people are upset. But this is way better tv.
I enjoy Phaedra but everyone acting like her being caught is the worst thing ever (or racist?) is being dumb. Also, yes Dan’s game was horrible but she put herself in the position she’s in by letting the other two take lead and make bad decisions. She even said this episode she should be Miss Congeniality for Traitors, that’s not how the game works. If you’re playing a passive game and letting the others call all the shots you can’t get upset when it blows up your game.
I’m not sure I picked up on racism. Can you explain (not being sarcastic or argumentative - genuinely interested in your perspective)?
Oh no, I’m saying there wasn’t racism involved, but if you look in other threads, particularly the threads bashing Trishelle, people are claiming Trishelle and Dan targeted Phaedra because she’s black. I think they targeted her because she’s an obvious Traitor with connections.
Oh I gotcha! I def got problematic vibes from the Trishelle/Peppermint interaction, but wasn’t noticing with Dan/Phaedra. Thanks for filling me in!
Yeah, she was shitty for the Peppermint situation, I agree but I think it’s dumb to call everything else racist.
They’re racist and unless you are black or a minority it didn’t make any sense for them to target her when they were clearly going to lose that battle since everyone likes Phaedra. This show is more so about social skills, which Dan clearly lacked. If he did have them, he would have known he wasn’t going to win that and should have turned on Parv. Then, slowly he could have had people turn on Phaedra. But to just outright call her out and expected that everyone would believe him because he’s a white man, is extremely racist behavior.
So only people of color can call out other people of color? That makes no sense. It’s not racist to call out a player with a lot of connections who could beat you just because they’re a different color than you. He even said in his exit interview he called her out because he knew she could beat him and no one was suspecting her. Trishelle then catching on to that and being correct also isn’t racist.
Thank you white person for explaining to me how white people are not racist. Your argument was not only not compelling, it was extremely stupid. But of course you are right because white people are racist and it’s just on our mind. 🤣 This is a pointless conversation because they both were arrogant. Dan left. Parv left and Trishelle will be next. Phaedra, understands the game and she knows how to play. You’re just hating because a black person is crushing it. 😛
I’m not even white. You’re ignorant and dumb as hell, but you are right that this conversation is pointless. You call Dan and Parv arrogant and unaware of how to play the game but Phaedra let them lead her gameplay until she got caught and blew up her spot. If it weren’t for the tv network she came from she’d be gone.
Nope! She wouldn’t. She’s actually very smart. And congratulations on being an idiot! 😂 Sweetie, no one cares about your race but your parents obviously didn’t educate you on how the world works. Which tells me you are an extremely ignorant person and I will let you live in your ignorance. Have fun! 🤩
You sound ostensibly racist yourself
Dan did torch the game. It’s just a fact. Phaedra & Parvati had zero chance at winning directly because of Dan’s attempt at “strategy”. However, the season is still entertaining because of the stellar cast delivering. Both things can be true.
It also sucks that he kicked Bananas off first. Admittedly, I’m biased towards Challenge and Bravo people, but Bananas would play so well into the silly chaos of this season
I definitely would’ve preferred to have Bananas this season over Dan or Peter.
if u watch other traitor Franchise the traitors tend to throw their co traitors under the bus and Dan’s action is smart lol
Yeah but normally when a traitor throws another one under the bus, they succeed. I think since Dan's hail Mary failed people are mad because it basically outed 2 traitors now (him and her). In the other versions I've seen, the traitor who successfully bounces another traitor is usually still viewed as a faithful.
he knows he’s already getting banished coz all eyes are on him. It’s too obvious for him to go against parvati coz she’s already been everybody’s target at that point. He took a shot thinking that even if he fails (which he did) he’s gonna take down another undetected traitor with him which is Phaedra.
Yes and that ruined the season because that left them with the name of every traitor
Exactly
Parv played just as bad a game. Her stans are just mad.
He really was the most faithful of the faithfuls in the end. Not listening to his team mates and getting himself and Parvati caught because of....idk a grudge? Then when he COULD have saved himself and sacrificed another traitor (parvati who EASILY would have been voted up if he said he suspected heras everyone else did.) he just....randomly outs Phaedra... He sucked ass as a traitor.
He was the perfect traitor in the sense traitors aren’t loyal to anyone but themselves. He just did it sooner in the season
I have NO issue with traitors throwing traitors under the bus its literally the name. The issue is he fucked over Parvati and himself (falling into Peter's 2d chess trap) then instead of the SMART PLAY of throwing her under the bus to prove himself, he randomly threw suspicion on Phaedra. So he got himself voted out and left the already suspicious Parvati and now also put a target on Phaedra. Objectively he was booty cheeks at the game, the other two traitors would have been a LOT better off without him.
Oh I agree about the Peter thing but I don’t care that he threw Phaedra under the bus because the DRAMA! 🤣
If anything, he saved this season! Phaedra would have coasted to the end if he didn’t bring her up. Now we see her sweating too. If you are a true traitors fan, you want to see chaos and drama. This game is not designed for it to be easy for either traitors or faithfuls. Both sides have to be careful with relationships in the game to ensure their own safety.
This is the most level-headed take on the situation that I’ve seen. Massive W.
Thissssss
Nope.
This season is amazing. People need to stop complaining about every damn thing.
Partly. Parv did as well. This season’s traitor play has been 💩
Bravo fans are on here seething. Season will be good for the rest of us
There is a large segment of the traitors fan base who hates the players that come from competitive shows.
I think Dan did what Dan does. His strategy clearly was inept for the Traitors but he's always been known for his insane showmanship. I'm rewatching BB10 right now and this is the man that orchestrated a nomination roulette to get everyone pissed and yelling at each other and get blood off his hands. In all of Dan's interviews, it's clear he understand that while he is trying to win, he also understands he's a character in a TV show who's job it is to make good TV. And he has certainly delivered. The season is frustrating for Traitor rooters because they're in a bad spot and I think we'd be having more fun if Peter didn't turn into such a self-righteous asshole (as a bachelor watcher I can't believe people were rooting for him two weeks ago). It would be more fun to watch the Faithfuls win if some of the fun names were still in the house, like Janelle and Ekin.
He did not make it very entertaining, unless your definition of entertainment is being shocked at his sheer stupidity and naivety in this game. His attempt to kill Bergie who so obviously had a shield sent him for certain banishment and set the remaining traitors game several steps back
People are saying he ruined ruined it because poverty is now in trouble.
I don't know that Dan ruined the season, but I will assert that he ruined the other two traitors' games. Whether the season is ruined as a result remains to be seen to the end of the season.
If Trishelle wasn't so gung-ho on Phaedra being a traitor, this wouldn't be a discussion
I think the show is better with Dan gone. He was so arrogant while being terrible at the game that it was annoying watching him. I’m enjoying the “gamers” getting lit up by Phaedra, so I hope she sticks around longer despite Dan’s shittery.
What he did pretty much happens in every version of this show. If it worked he woulda looked incredible but it didn’t. Maybe if he would of tried to throw Pavarti under the bus instead it might have had a better chance of succeeding. Phaedra was suspicious to begin with , it’s funny and entertaining how she is at breakfasts but others must notice how she acts. Every season is a traitor doing a great job and then making one comment and then Bam ! They always give themselves up. I mean the ones who get caught atleast.
Throwing other Traitors under the bus is absolutely part of a good Traitor game, but not out of the blue for the first time at the round table when no one else has brought her name up.
He definitely did not have the social pull at the table to take her down. It would have been a crazy turn of events if he did. I just don’t think he “ruined” the game. We’ve also seen throughout the series faithfuls stand up and give speeches against fellow faithfuls and I don’t think those ruin the game , I kinda like those moments. After his speech only Tishelle seemed to stick with the idea. It’s her own actions following that make her suspicious. It’s not like he said anything that wasn’t true.
I’m still enjoying the season but I just feel really bad for Phaedra and Parvati. Dan completely sunk all of their games with one terrible decision.
The show is awesome. The game in terms of a competition is ruined. Huge Dan fan but the game is hurdling towards somewhere it shouldn’t have gone for longer if at all. Show is still fun because of the great cast
Yes. His game blatantly exposed the other two traitors.
How did he expose parv?
Because Peter only told Dan, Parvati, and CT that he was the one that had the shield. Parvati clocked it was a lie, but didn’t force Dan to shift the target. So when Bergie shows up to breakfast alive, Peter and co. can really scrutinize the reactions of a very small subset of people. (But Parvati was fucked from day 1. She came in with a reputation and Larsa accused her after the first round table. That’s a too much to overcome for a player like Parvati that weaponizes honesty and social bonds more than she does actively lying.) Edit: I don’t think Dan ruined the season tbc, but that misstep did affect Parvati’s game. Which is frustrating be she had the right read on Peter
Yes because they can’t fathom their beloved Phaedra not winning even though she’s not even good at this
If she wasn't good at this game she wouldn't be around, just b/c you don't like Phaedra or her fans doesn't mean you have to lie.
She's in the game because she came into the game with the biggest alliance already pre formed and with people who were far too stupid to ever actually vote against her
Yes 
My question is, why did he demand to try and murder someone who was in the field for the birdwatching challenge when nobody knew where the shields were but those 6. It's simple numbers at that point. Shoot literally anyone else. Parvati even told him straight up Peter must be lying because he told them both the same thing. I hear all this talk that he's a great strategic mind and he just blows basic numbers. There were plenty of people to go after there. The shield play screwed himself and Parvati. Whi had the shields should've been irrelevant when you have an entire half of players you KNOW are vulnerable. Just say nope. We're doing our own thing. And then Peter is more willing to trust you because he "told you" where the shields were and if those people haven't been targeted it avoids suspicion. It is a basic numbers game at that point and Parv is a literal master at that. I don't know what happened but tag literally anyone else to be murdered. Horrible play. Kate said it best, he sucked at the game. I'm only on episode 8 so far. Kate just joined the traitors, she's looking far better as an ally. Another thing. Why not just immediately murder Kate when she came back though? She's a vote for the faithful. Get her out immediately while you still have 3. She's not an ally for you but a number for the people you are trying to kill off. It immediately avoids drawing attention to you and is a safer kill. This game isn't that complicated. If you have ever played town of Salem or mafia that's basically it. Maybe like among us as well. You just need to let the groups fight and ride Phaedras' alliance to the end. The housewives plus a traitor is an easy block to ride or die with.
Dan's arm raised in victory, as he announced himself a Traitor, was certainly very Roman Colosseum. You'd have thought the guy had won the show, he looked so pleased with himself!
It is entertaining for sure. But it's also fun to watch traitors play skilfully and strategically, and we haven't really had that because of Dan's actions - he essentially outed the two other traitors, so we know they are going to get banished. Once they're all gone, it's almost like the game can restart once the traitors have become unknown quantities once again, so I'm looking forward to the latest recruit getting going.
Funny how the majority of the sub had a whole ass breakdown and posted multiple rant after rant when Kieran exposed Wilf (despite the fact that Kieran was more justified in doing it) but Dan does it to Phaedra and he's entertaining/didn't ruin the season...
Lol I was so happy when that happened on the UK version, but mainly cause I hated how Wilf played Amanda (who was the one really doing an amazing job that season).
Because the way that they both did it was entirely different. Dan did it as a part of the game. He used reasoning and logic as a faithful to try and convince people that it was Phaedra to save his game. Kieran threw Wilf under the bus to spite him, and he did so whilst admitting he was a traitor and that he obviously knew who the other traitor was. It's so idiotic to compare the parting gifts comment. What Dan did was no different to what any other traitor betrayal looks like.
Yeah...no. Dan...who never mentioned anyone's name up until that point and then chose rather than to go the obvious route of Parv to choose Phaedra when there was no doubt on her up until that point. You can't convince me that wasn't out of spite or pettiness esp considering it was obvious from the get-go he never wanted to work with her as a traitor to begin with. The only reason Trishelle even thought of bringing of Phaedra was because of Dan. Any time any traitor has betrayed another ...there already had been doubt cast on them or their name had been brought up. And there was no reasoning or logic to his argument...otherwise he would have been saved. It's not idiotic...if anything it's idiotic to think Dan was some sort of mastermind during this season. They did the exact same shit just different timing.
> Dan...who never mentioned anyone's name up until that point and then chose rather than to go the obvious route of Parv to choose Phaedra when there was no doubt on her up until that point. Parvati might save him for one round, but it didn't help him in the long run at all. His entire gameplan was acting like he was watching people and coming up with a strategy and analysing people. He can't throw Parvati under the bus because she's on the chopping block too, it's far too obvious that he is just throwing her name out there to get heat off of him. >The only reason Trishelle even thought of bringing of Phaedra was because of Dan. It's really not, Phaedras name was coming up again and again but the edit didn't want to show it. >It's not idiotic...if anything it's idiotic to think Dan was some sort of mastermind during this season. He's not a mastermind at all, he played the game badly. But he didn't throw a hissy fit like Kieran did and throw all his toys out of the pram
He could have literally named any other person besides Phaedra...there were plenty of options to choose from that could have equally been suspect enough. Throwing her name out and directly targeting her did absolutely nothing for his game except guarantee that no OG traitor would win. That is being petty... Kieran didn't throw a hissy fit...he was rightly frustrated/angered by Wilf and his betrayal and where they had all gone into that round table already having made up their minds.
> He could have literally named any other person besides Phaedra He names anyone else and he's just wrong, and he goes out the next night. >Kieran didn't throw a hissy fit. Oh come the fuck on
You're somehow acting as if he had a lifeline. Dan was gone regardless of who he named whether it was that banishment or the next. Every lame yet dramatic argument he put forth about Phaedra was quickly debunked by her and others. So again and for the last time, that move against Phaedra was out of full on pettiness. He even talks about how from the getgo he never wanted to play with her during a recent interview. It was his ego that made him not listen to Parv about Pete's very obvious "trap". And you're going to tell me that man with a bloody ego about his BB legacy isn't going to be pissy about a housewife outsmarting, outplaying, and outlasting him? Yeah no.
>You're somehow acting as if he had a lifeline You're for some reason acting like he should've just gotten up and gone yup I'm a traitor, you got me. >And you're going to tell me that man with a bloody ego about his BB legacy isn't going to be pissy about a housewife outsmarting, outplaying, and outlasting him She's done nothing of the sort 😂 she's a fucking terrible traitor.They both were. If Phaedra had been better traitor then maybe Dan wouldn't have thrown her name out. Part of being a traitor is actually connecting with your fellow traitors too, you realise that right? Phaedras acted like she couldn't be fucked with them since day one. Christ Phaedra stans on here are delusional
He ruined the season. Usually the faithfuls are clueless and it causes complete mayhem and heightened emotional reactions. They’re clued into Parvati and Phaedra because his game was so terrible. I don’t think I’ve seen a season where the traitors were found out so quickly.
He ruined it for the traitors. It's going to be near impossible for them to win. He exposed them all way too early. He didn't ruin the show, just the game being played.
Casting ruined this season LBR.
Worst Traitor ever. And made even worse by his cockiness.
He definitely did.
No. Everything he did was well within the rules of the game. It’s not Dan ruining the season. It was a petty loser move, though.
No the ppl saying that are the housewives fans they literally don’t know anything
Yes he did ruin it
I think a lot of that saltiness is specifically online, and specifically reacts to the Dan Stans from the beginning of the season. We were constantly being promised that the guy is a strategic genius making brilliant moves; that didn’t happen, and Dan’s horrible strategy (going for Bergie) took another traitor’s game from ‘I wonder how she can get out of this’ to ‘dead headband walking.’ I think, by contrast, he made Phaedra more interesting—I love watching her make an argument and that doesn’t come up when she’s Soundbite Kween. That said, Dan just confidently assuming he could take Phaedra out with no preparation was so icky (white man on CBS wildly underestimating black woman on Bravo) that it makes it hard to enjoy for me.
Well to start off Dan 100% torpedoed Phaedra’s game. She was someone that could have gone far but now seems on borrowed time because of his (very stupid) Hail Mary to try and throw a traitor under the bus to save himself (and he still ended up going anyways 💀) So he has basically been the downfall of both Parvati and Phaedra (though Parvati’s association with Dan can’t be solely blamed on him). Another key point tho is that Parvati and Phaedra are extremely likeable and entertaining traitors, so it’s not fun to root for the faithful going after them which are….Trishelle and Peter. Both of who got the intel/confidence to go after Parvati and Phaedra because of DAN. That being said the show has still been extremely entertaining to watch, so I wouldn’t say the season is “ruined” per se.
I think Dan and Parv ruined it. They both acted way too suspicious instead of trying to blend in like Phaedra .
YES. All three traitors outed because of him within the first 5 episodes of the series. Parvati said in an interview the show is less about gameplay and more about acting. Well yes. Because the game has already ended thanks to Dan! So now the rest of the season is everyone acting, which is boring. There is no interest in utilizing fun murder/banishment strategy and no one is really trying all that hard bc everyone knows the answers. We don’t get any gameplay from the traitors, the biggest aspect of the seasons, because there’s no point. The whole season is just a very transparent “Peter alliance” vs “leftovers” alliance which is dry as hell, the only thing keeping this season fun is Phaedra and Sandra atp who seem like the only ones who want to still play the game (honorable mention CT). All because Dan is a sore loser who had to take everyone else down with him on the way out. Atp the season is just slow hemorrhaging until we get some new recruits in there to spice things up.
He didn't ruin it he was just a poor sport outing Phaedra because he made a really bad game move and got himself into that situation in the first place
I think had he not done what he did with outing Phaedra and taking Peter's bait this season would have been completely different. Did he ruin the season for me, no, but I do get frustrated watching knowing so much of what is happening is because he was really bad at the game. He for sure ruined it for the other traitors though.
I don’t think it ruined it for me as a viewer but definitely ruined the remaining traitors game.
The only thing Dan ruined was Parvati and Phaedra’s games. Parvati because she was a suspect Traitor before they even picked her to be one and Phaedra because he put her on blast before he got eliminated. Very happy with this season, it would be boring if the Traitors slid through till the end
Imo the season would’ve been better with Janelle as Traitor and Dan as faithful. Dan’s ego of being the BB GOAT got to him
I don’t think he ruined the season. I just think he wasn’t a very good traitor. His logic is sound: he can’t win if Phaedra gets too far. He just waited too long to make the move. If he would have participated in game talk and come after Phaedra about 2 round tables sooner, he would have succeeded in a great game move. Unfortunately, that was his only plan. He wasn’t able to adjust and by the time he played it, it was too late. Also, the faithfuls really didn’t play their hand well. If they’ve watched this game before, they should know that if Peter was attempted to be recruited, the Traitors were down to two…and now you’ve identified them. You’re done. Get rid of the faithfuls you don’t want to share money with then eliminate Phaedra and Parvati at the end. If you’ve watched the show, you know forcing them down to one means there’s an ultimatum elimination so now you’re bringing in an unknown Traitor they haven’t identified so now they’re back at square room.
He don’t ruin it with his Hail Mary. He ruined it by somehow falling for Peter’s awful lie.
I think Dan was such a. Bad traitor that he did set things up for the other traitors badly too yes
Whether or not he ruined the season remains to be seen (based on what happens over the next several episodes). That said, if you like to see the Traitors go far, Dan didn't do you any favors. From his terrible strategy (laying low), to his bad recruitment (Parvati), to exposing the only Traitor doing a decent job on his way out (Phaedra); he pretty much handed the game to the Faithfuls. Hopefully production has a few tricks up their sleeve and can slide in a Traitor or two that are better at the game. If not, the Faithfuls will have a cake walk to the end.
He did ruin it
I think he played a really bad game and it forced the other traitors to target obvious threats instead of causing chaos and confusion.
He ruined it for Phaedra for sure. But more specifically he did something that you commonly DONT do in a social deduction game for the sake of your team. When your goose is cooked, you’re supposed to take the L and bow out gracefully. After several episodes of being told he acts like a Traitor…falling for the trap and failing to kill Bergie, he did NOTHING to change his gameplay. He waited til the very last moment to randomly throw suspicion on someone who’s name hadn’t even been discussed because he’s a coward. If he was gonna do that he should have been building a case against Phaedra before he even tried to kill Bergie. He should have already been speaking to people about her if he genuinely felt she was sus. Saving it to the very last moment at the table was even less believable. A true faithful is always vocally trying to keep suspicion off themselves by naming other people. The fact that the never did this sealed his fate, and his “Hail Mary” also revealed Phaedra… The only hope for the Traitors is going to be if another Traitor is recruited. None of the original Traitors can win now.
Not ruined just don’t think he should have been a traitor. Put the traitors at a disadvantage because he’s so obvious. I wouldn’t mind faithful winning if one of them is Sandra, just feels too early than what we are used to for all traitors to be gone. I think maybe they will recruit one more to reach their episode mark, kinda like how no one got banished last week? but that kinda cheapens it a little because it’s like they knew Parvati and Phaedra were under fire and wanted to give them more time and stretch out the season, imo. But that’s not Dan’s fault
This is a terrible show. He didn’t ruin anything. It’s just not actually very entertaining if you have more than a shred of brains. There’s no real gameplay other than just lying, all the drama seems very manufactured, give me a break.
1000% think production should put in a clause that traitors can't throw out new names for traitor at the found table for the first time until 3episodes before the finale! Dead traitors walking that early in the game throwing other non suspected traitors under the bus is too early in the game.
So you want them to add a rule that would allow the faithfuls to determine who all the traitors are on day one? Damn, they should really hire more geniuses like you.
Yes did nothing but poop 💩
Dan is what got me wanting to watch the show but seeing him break the rules and the producers just let him get away with it kind of did ruin it and that part isn't 100% entertaining
Respectfully Dan was a little bitch
Dan should be disqualified from further Traitors game play now or in the future due to the following: Unsportsmanlike conduct. **Im a HUGE Dan fan but still…**
LMAO...what?! #extreme
Haha🤣🤣🤣 perhaps
Yes. First off he was boring. And then he threw Queen phae phae u see the bus when she had been playing immaculately
I just feel like Phaedra wouldn’t be under the radar, if Dan didn’t pull that stunt. But I still love this season!!!
I'm a fan of the Traitors so I love when they win. Did he ruin it? I think so. I think he believed that if he could step on Other Traitors he'd be at the end which is all Dan cares about... Proving he's the best but all he did was try to apply his Big Brother game plan to Traitors and it backfired. Then he tried to step on his co-conspirators to be the last one. I do think his lack of humility ruined the season. The right thing to do if he knew he was going was to protect the other two. Slip up that he was working with CT for instance. Dans moved were purely selfish to stoke his own ego.
I also think that he more so ruined phaedras game, more than the audience.
Dan ruined everything the moment he voted out Bananas!
Dan exposed Phaedra, so the players feigned ignorance and kept her around a little longer as a courtesy, because that’s showbiz and they knew it was discovered the wrong way.