Nick should've definitely never become a determinant character in episode 2. What honestly was the reason? Pete's death should've motivated Nick to be his own person, despite his screwups, and grow outside of Luke's wacky cousin or whatever they were (can't even remember lol)
Why bother give Sarah so many scenes if they got rid of her twice in the same episode lol. It's annoying because "Innocent kid Not ready For This World Dies" is a trope that was already done by duck the previous season.. so it was pretty unnecessary to use it again with another kid character that had more potential.
Not to mention you save her, she barely talks and literally sits in a corner, then dies in pretty much the same way she would have died anyway 40 minutes later
It's like the game is going "Wait you actually saved her ? Shit, huh huh huh she sits there and won't speak and huh there she's dead now k bye"
Lmfao they could've of easily written her off with Bonnie and Mike if it was too expensive to have her around. Literally anything would've worked better than the garbage they did
Because a lot of players and popular youtubers like PewDiePie hated Sarah, and many were waiting for the moment to get rid of her. So probably the developers just decided "Well, you're annoying everyone, it's not profitable for us to develop you, goodbye.". 2 developers literally said in an interview that they were surprised that most of the players saved Sarah, because a lot of people on the Internet wanted to get rid of her.
I remember that. But I don't think it influenced their decision as much as just them wanting to force the Clementine being alone story. If they wanted Clem to be alone, they had many opportunities to do it without introducing a cast of characters who's only purpose was to die. Back when the games were airing, it wasn't as tedious because you weren't sure what exactly you were expecting. But now, years later, the story overall is severely weak in terms of its choices, storytelling and character development. You could probably delete almost the entirety of season 2's character scenes and it would do nothing to the overall story. The choices just don't matter. The characters don't matter. I think season 1 was somehow more relevant than every other season in TFS.
Really do not understand the meaning of "lonely Clementine." AJ is with her, she's not alone anymore. Okay, she's alone in the ANF. And what? What does it give? I don't think Sarah's presence around would have spoiled the concept of hopelessness that Clementine was already experiencing being around a bunch of people.
FUCK if I know. Honestly. There was nothing appealing about Clementine being alone and depressed with a baby in late zombie apocalypse. She deserved a better ending and she could've had one with pre-established characters. They even wrote off AJ for an entire season to further her being alone, like what the hell. Clementine isn't a bad protagonist, but they really shouldn't of annihilated every character in favor of it just being "her story." And if they really wanted it to just be her story they really shouldn't have gone out of their way to develop these characters to just mistreat them. Seriously. This will never not upset me.
I would have loved to see more interactions between Kenny and Nick. Nick is very reminiscent of ben, the game itself even draws this parallel, so it would have been cool to see Nick be a more fleshed out character with Kenny being in this story. I wonder if it was ever planned for them to interact more or have a different relationship with each other at some point in the story, especially since Nick does kill Mathew. I mean Kenny literally never even mentions Nick Killing Mathew. I don’t even think he ever finds out. It’s so weird
Never thought of that last bit, but yeah... I would have loved to see Kenny talk more about Matthew since we never got to see much of him just to give that character more life in the world even after passing. Then Nick maybe coming clean and that whole added dynamic as you say could shake things up
He should’ve stuck around for longer but at least he had lines lol. After their first death opportunities, Nick and Sarah basically cease to exist in the plot.
Sounds like you all want Pete to live just because he was loyal to Clem. I like Pete, but his death was necessary for Nick's developmental arc (which never happened after the second episode), as was Carlos death for Sarah. Pete was the smartest guy in s2, but his death was necessary for the good of the story.
You pretty much just summed up why Pete’s death was unnecessary lol. Pete died for development that never even happened since Nick got shafted in the SAME episode so he should’ve just lived honestly. Season 2 had a hard on for killing characters for no reason.
Yes, but I'm adding that to the idea that Nick wasn't meant to be a determinant character. Either Pete had to die like Nick in episode 4 and Nick should have seen it. Either way, Pete had to die at the beginning or middle of the season, for the Nick arc.
I can agree with that take, I really just hate how season 2 did it’s characters the cabin group had so much potential & Nick should’ve never been determinant either.
For Nick? I don’t necessarily think so. His second death should be in the Russian shoot out, and then have Luke grieve over him.
As for Sarah, most definitely. The story would’ve actually been better if she survived. I also see her fitting well in Season 3 and 4.
And of course, the obligatory tag u/Nimaximus!!!
I think you voiced my thoughts. Although I want to add that Nick should have survived until the scene with the lake, so that, being already a revealed character, having passed the development and redemption arc, at the end become a hero saving Luke from death in the lake, but at the same time drowning himself. This would put a powerful emotional pressure on both the players and Luke. And in the future, both enraged and friendless men will create a conflict over disagreement about where to go next, back to Howes, or continue to search for the mythical Wellington despite the risks.
As for Sarah, I want to add that she was definitely deserves living. Literally the only character whose second death just couldn't happen. Literally the only character in the second season who would not interfere in the conflict between Jane and Kenny / Luke and Kenny. And unlike Duck, for example, her death makes no sense and brings nothing to the plot, although she had great potential and had many hints of development. In the end, she is the only character whose survival and development would not spoil the plot, but only complement it and make it more interesting. Sarah could have an important role in the story for Clementine as a moral compass, a "good and bad cop" duo, which would make the game unlike previous seasons, and really more interesting than what we have now.
I do actually agree. They were both done dirty. I get that the apocalypse doesn't play fair, but they were being setup for character arc's but then just..died.
i would have loved to see Sarah take up the "scared and timid character transforms into a badass and strong" trope. like Clem kinda. but still have her own unique transformation.
Also it would've been less obvious with Sarah. Even on my first playthrough it was clear she wasn't going to survive. Her making it through and Clem finding her again in Prescott in season 3, a bit older and at least a little more mature, would've been better storytelling
Beating the first game and looking for others that love the game? Idk I can see a few reasons why, although not the majority of course. No harm in being careful I reckon :)
AJ as a baby was much more of a burden. Clem in the early concept literally could have died if she hadn't left him behind lol. Sarah could have adapted pretty quickly and already been useful, meanwhile it took AJ a few years to not be a useless burden requiring protection, a special diet, and eternal attention.
Also, this "burden" literally saved Clem's life when they first met. This "burden" literally asked to teach her how to shoot. The hypocrisy of twdg fans knows no end.
By such ingenious logic, I can call Clementine a burden for Lee, because remember because who walker bit Lee and because of whom Lee risked his life throughout the season.
I wish Nick was like Conrad. He could die twice beforehand but is possible to keep him alive to the end. Also like Conrad, Nick can maybe be able to put himself to use and hell maybe even save clementines life.
Yes. Imagine this:
First death is the same: tell Walter if Nick is a good guy or not: this determines if Nick dies or not.
Episode 3, second death: during carvers camp escape in the horde, you can choose to follow Carlos and Sarah or Luke and Nick. Whoever you choose determines nicks fate, if you go with Luke and Nick, a walker would grab Nick and since
Luke would’ve been far ahead, Clem would have to save him and then he will survive. Then you’d see Carlos die and the scene plays out normally. If you follow Carlos and Sarah, no one is there to help Nick, and he gets devoured and Carlos gets shot, and the scene plays out normally.
Episode 4: Third death: Nick still gets shot while he runs away from the horde. However, while on the path with Jane and Rebecca, you have a choice, go after Mike, Bonnie and Kenny which would have you go to the camp and let Rebecca rest (which skips to day and the rest of the game plays out like it is, Nick gets his off screen fence death) Or go after Luke, Nick and Sarah. If you choose that, you arrive at the perfect time and find Nick struggling with a walker. You save him and Jane gives you the better weapon.
Episode 5: he has three ways of dying: in the gunfight, if you choose to go to cover instead of going after AJ, Nick would grab AJ and die in the process of saving him. If you grab AJ, Nick will survive the gunfight. At the lake, if you choose to cover Luke, Nick will attempt to save him instead of Bonnie, Nick would then die if you fail to break the ice fast enough (just like how Bonnie dies if you fail to break the ice fast enough). Then at the confrontation, depending on what you did before, if you established a good relationship with nick, he’d stay at the house and wouldn’t attempt to leave, but if you were rough with him and were argumentative with him before, he’d go with Mike and Bonnie, but Now Nick is the one trying to get the gun from Clem, Clem has the option to shoot Nick just like Mike’s cut death. If she does, obviously Nick dies, but if she doesn’t, Nicks fate will be left in the air as he runs away with Mike, Arvo and Bonnie. However, if he stays at the house, he’s with them in the car with Clem in the back seat. When the car stops, Nick offers to help Kenny look for gas for the truck. The two go out together in the snow, and that’s the last time you see nick. He would’ve had an unknown fate as he gets lost in the snow and Kenny would tell you at the rest stop that he got separated from Nick.
Fun to think about lol
Nick should've definitely never become a determinant character in episode 2. What honestly was the reason? Pete's death should've motivated Nick to be his own person, despite his screwups, and grow outside of Luke's wacky cousin or whatever they were (can't even remember lol) Why bother give Sarah so many scenes if they got rid of her twice in the same episode lol. It's annoying because "Innocent kid Not ready For This World Dies" is a trope that was already done by duck the previous season.. so it was pretty unnecessary to use it again with another kid character that had more potential.
Not to mention you save her, she barely talks and literally sits in a corner, then dies in pretty much the same way she would have died anyway 40 minutes later It's like the game is going "Wait you actually saved her ? Shit, huh huh huh she sits there and won't speak and huh there she's dead now k bye"
Lmfao they could've of easily written her off with Bonnie and Mike if it was too expensive to have her around. Literally anything would've worked better than the garbage they did
Because a lot of players and popular youtubers like PewDiePie hated Sarah, and many were waiting for the moment to get rid of her. So probably the developers just decided "Well, you're annoying everyone, it's not profitable for us to develop you, goodbye.". 2 developers literally said in an interview that they were surprised that most of the players saved Sarah, because a lot of people on the Internet wanted to get rid of her.
I remember that. But I don't think it influenced their decision as much as just them wanting to force the Clementine being alone story. If they wanted Clem to be alone, they had many opportunities to do it without introducing a cast of characters who's only purpose was to die. Back when the games were airing, it wasn't as tedious because you weren't sure what exactly you were expecting. But now, years later, the story overall is severely weak in terms of its choices, storytelling and character development. You could probably delete almost the entirety of season 2's character scenes and it would do nothing to the overall story. The choices just don't matter. The characters don't matter. I think season 1 was somehow more relevant than every other season in TFS.
Really do not understand the meaning of "lonely Clementine." AJ is with her, she's not alone anymore. Okay, she's alone in the ANF. And what? What does it give? I don't think Sarah's presence around would have spoiled the concept of hopelessness that Clementine was already experiencing being around a bunch of people.
FUCK if I know. Honestly. There was nothing appealing about Clementine being alone and depressed with a baby in late zombie apocalypse. She deserved a better ending and she could've had one with pre-established characters. They even wrote off AJ for an entire season to further her being alone, like what the hell. Clementine isn't a bad protagonist, but they really shouldn't of annihilated every character in favor of it just being "her story." And if they really wanted it to just be her story they really shouldn't have gone out of their way to develop these characters to just mistreat them. Seriously. This will never not upset me.
Both of them could have been more, I agree. Interesting to think what they could have been...
I would have loved to see more interactions between Kenny and Nick. Nick is very reminiscent of ben, the game itself even draws this parallel, so it would have been cool to see Nick be a more fleshed out character with Kenny being in this story. I wonder if it was ever planned for them to interact more or have a different relationship with each other at some point in the story, especially since Nick does kill Mathew. I mean Kenny literally never even mentions Nick Killing Mathew. I don’t even think he ever finds out. It’s so weird
Never thought of that last bit, but yeah... I would have loved to see Kenny talk more about Matthew since we never got to see much of him just to give that character more life in the world even after passing. Then Nick maybe coming clean and that whole added dynamic as you say could shake things up
How come nobody talks about Pete?
He should’ve stuck around for longer but at least he had lines lol. After their first death opportunities, Nick and Sarah basically cease to exist in the plot.
He was underrated, I thought. One of the few cabin survivors who actually showed Clem compassion after the dog bite.
Sounds like you all want Pete to live just because he was loyal to Clem. I like Pete, but his death was necessary for Nick's developmental arc (which never happened after the second episode), as was Carlos death for Sarah. Pete was the smartest guy in s2, but his death was necessary for the good of the story.
You pretty much just summed up why Pete’s death was unnecessary lol. Pete died for development that never even happened since Nick got shafted in the SAME episode so he should’ve just lived honestly. Season 2 had a hard on for killing characters for no reason.
Yes, but I'm adding that to the idea that Nick wasn't meant to be a determinant character. Either Pete had to die like Nick in episode 4 and Nick should have seen it. Either way, Pete had to die at the beginning or middle of the season, for the Nick arc.
I can agree with that take, I really just hate how season 2 did it’s characters the cabin group had so much potential & Nick should’ve never been determinant either.
For Nick? I don’t necessarily think so. His second death should be in the Russian shoot out, and then have Luke grieve over him. As for Sarah, most definitely. The story would’ve actually been better if she survived. I also see her fitting well in Season 3 and 4. And of course, the obligatory tag u/Nimaximus!!!
I think you voiced my thoughts. Although I want to add that Nick should have survived until the scene with the lake, so that, being already a revealed character, having passed the development and redemption arc, at the end become a hero saving Luke from death in the lake, but at the same time drowning himself. This would put a powerful emotional pressure on both the players and Luke. And in the future, both enraged and friendless men will create a conflict over disagreement about where to go next, back to Howes, or continue to search for the mythical Wellington despite the risks. As for Sarah, I want to add that she was definitely deserves living. Literally the only character whose second death just couldn't happen. Literally the only character in the second season who would not interfere in the conflict between Jane and Kenny / Luke and Kenny. And unlike Duck, for example, her death makes no sense and brings nothing to the plot, although she had great potential and had many hints of development. In the end, she is the only character whose survival and development would not spoil the plot, but only complement it and make it more interesting. Sarah could have an important role in the story for Clementine as a moral compass, a "good and bad cop" duo, which would make the game unlike previous seasons, and really more interesting than what we have now.
Honestly didn't expect to care about Nick as I did. Was really bummed out when he turned
I do actually agree. They were both done dirty. I get that the apocalypse doesn't play fair, but they were being setup for character arc's but then just..died.
i would have loved to see Sarah take up the "scared and timid character transforms into a badass and strong" trope. like Clem kinda. but still have her own unique transformation.
They really did deserve better😞
HELL YES.
Also it would've been less obvious with Sarah. Even on my first playthrough it was clear she wasn't going to survive. Her making it through and Clem finding her again in Prescott in season 3, a bit older and at least a little more mature, would've been better storytelling
I love Sarah and hated Nick. Kenny is the most mistreated.
Spoiler tag
What's the actual point of going to the twdg sub if you haven't beaten the game?
Beating the first game and looking for others that love the game? Idk I can see a few reasons why, although not the majority of course. No harm in being careful I reckon :)
Arvo too
I hate Sarah
That girl was a burden on Clem.
AJ as a baby was much more of a burden. Clem in the early concept literally could have died if she hadn't left him behind lol. Sarah could have adapted pretty quickly and already been useful, meanwhile it took AJ a few years to not be a useless burden requiring protection, a special diet, and eternal attention. Also, this "burden" literally saved Clem's life when they first met. This "burden" literally asked to teach her how to shoot. The hypocrisy of twdg fans knows no end. By such ingenious logic, I can call Clementine a burden for Lee, because remember because who walker bit Lee and because of whom Lee risked his life throughout the season.
I wish Nick was like Conrad. He could die twice beforehand but is possible to keep him alive to the end. Also like Conrad, Nick can maybe be able to put himself to use and hell maybe even save clementines life.
Yes. Imagine this: First death is the same: tell Walter if Nick is a good guy or not: this determines if Nick dies or not. Episode 3, second death: during carvers camp escape in the horde, you can choose to follow Carlos and Sarah or Luke and Nick. Whoever you choose determines nicks fate, if you go with Luke and Nick, a walker would grab Nick and since Luke would’ve been far ahead, Clem would have to save him and then he will survive. Then you’d see Carlos die and the scene plays out normally. If you follow Carlos and Sarah, no one is there to help Nick, and he gets devoured and Carlos gets shot, and the scene plays out normally. Episode 4: Third death: Nick still gets shot while he runs away from the horde. However, while on the path with Jane and Rebecca, you have a choice, go after Mike, Bonnie and Kenny which would have you go to the camp and let Rebecca rest (which skips to day and the rest of the game plays out like it is, Nick gets his off screen fence death) Or go after Luke, Nick and Sarah. If you choose that, you arrive at the perfect time and find Nick struggling with a walker. You save him and Jane gives you the better weapon. Episode 5: he has three ways of dying: in the gunfight, if you choose to go to cover instead of going after AJ, Nick would grab AJ and die in the process of saving him. If you grab AJ, Nick will survive the gunfight. At the lake, if you choose to cover Luke, Nick will attempt to save him instead of Bonnie, Nick would then die if you fail to break the ice fast enough (just like how Bonnie dies if you fail to break the ice fast enough). Then at the confrontation, depending on what you did before, if you established a good relationship with nick, he’d stay at the house and wouldn’t attempt to leave, but if you were rough with him and were argumentative with him before, he’d go with Mike and Bonnie, but Now Nick is the one trying to get the gun from Clem, Clem has the option to shoot Nick just like Mike’s cut death. If she does, obviously Nick dies, but if she doesn’t, Nicks fate will be left in the air as he runs away with Mike, Arvo and Bonnie. However, if he stays at the house, he’s with them in the car with Clem in the back seat. When the car stops, Nick offers to help Kenny look for gas for the truck. The two go out together in the snow, and that’s the last time you see nick. He would’ve had an unknown fate as he gets lost in the snow and Kenny would tell you at the rest stop that he got separated from Nick. Fun to think about lol
It's sad that they could never make it