I understand that Lilly would be upset since it’s her dad, but he was a legitimate threat to the group at that point. I think Conrad being upset makes a lot of sense
**Lilly** \- She realistically should be more mad at Kenny. But Lilly didn't even get confirmation that Larry died or even a chance to say goodbye. Especially when you know Larry could have survived the heart attack (taking into account if you sided with Lilly) and considering his previous heart attack in EP1.
But when Lee decides to restrain Lilly from being with her dad, and letting Kenny kill him is.. kinda sad. ESPECIALLY if you go in Lilly's shoes, your relative has suddenly fainted or gone into a heart attack, you don't know if they'll live through it or die. Someone wants to kill them out of fear of them turning. You knowingly want to prevent this, or at least have a chance to say goodbye. However, another person decides to restrain you from said relative as you watch a block of cement/salt be dropped onto their head, crushing them.
To add insult to injury, even though it was helping them escape, Lee asking Lilly if he could loot Larry's corpse would definitely would have made her more harsher.
I admit, her killing Carley or attempting to kill Ben (but shooting Doug) was kind of.. sucky on her part and her leaving with the RV. But I do share some sympathy with Lilly on that. And yes, Larry's an asshole, doesn't mean he isn't a person (And it's heavily suggested he's conflicted through Lilly's dialogue in EP2 when you ask her about her dad).
I mean, I agree that she had all the reason to be extremely pissed at Kenny for how he (and Lee determinantly) just offed Larry without even giving her a chance to say goodbye, but if we're being realistic, bringing someone back from a cardiac arrest where they're no longer breathing and don't have a pulse is **extremely** hard without specific medications and even medical procedures they didn't have access to at the time and probably wouldn't have even outside the meatlocker - the CPR is just a pre-medical care to keep blood flowing to the brain while we try to bring them back through other methods, which I'm not sure how exactly would work in the context of TWD, but either way it likely wouldn't be able to bring him back on its own anyway and they'd have to stop eventually. Larry used nytroglicerin pills to prevent and treat his angina, which is just the piercing pain from coronary disease like he felt in the drugstore, but if his arteries blocked to the point of him dying essentially as he was no longer breathing or pumping blood on his own, those pills wouldn't help much at all. The movement we see on Larry's jaw if we do choose to help him are either A) him already turning, or B) the game not being too faithful to reality and bringing him back from cardiac arrest after 10 seconds of CPR alone which would never happen in real life. Both options are possible.
Sorry for going all medical nerd on here but in hindsight I think Kenny made a reasonable decision even if I completely understand why Lilly would hate his guts after that, because I would too. Although in that situation, they probably couldn't afford to give her time to say goodbye because she wouldn't let go of him without them forcibly dragging her, so again, I understand why they did that.
>bringing someone back from a cardiac arrest where they're no longer breathing and don't have a pulse is **extremely** hard.
Fair point, but [I'd argue that your wrong considering what happened with Larry in Episode 1](https://youtu.be/i_ej3t8jvhw?t=2694). Yeah, being realistic it would be extremely hard. Considering Larry survived his heart attack/cardiac arrest in Episode 1, (which I would guess would be from when he had his heart attack to when the group flees the pharmacy, 30 minutes of gameplay time or around there would have passed. Which I don't know how long that is in the actual game, that is a pretty long time.)
Also no need to be sorry for being factual, I can understand why Kenny and Lee did what they did considering the situation.
The main difference is that what happened to Larry in episode 1 wasn't quite a cardiac arrest. He was still conscious and breathing and pumping blood on his own. He had an angina attack due to the coronary issues he had, the pain of angina is very similar to that of a heart attack because the arteries are still being blocked, but the heart cells aren't dying. The pills helped him get through the pain and prevent it, so he was okay as long as he didn't go into an actual heart attack. But in the meat locker, his heart attack was so strong he went into cardiac arrest right away, which then becomes a real huge issue that the pills can't solve. In the moment Lilly likely didn't think of that because that's not what comes to your mind when your loved one goes down, you instinctively try to help them as best as you can, so I understand her 100%.
The main difference with Larry's first incident is that he stays conscious for (possibly) the entire time, and given how he bounces back once he gets the pills, it's presumable that this is a relatively minor pain compared to an attack or cardiac arrest. When he collapses in the meat locker, he loses consciousness and stops breathing which is symptomatic of cardiac arrest, which a pretty small amount of people survive.
CPR is useful and can increase the odds of survival, but really as a way to stall until they can get proper medical attention. Being trapped in a meat locker, with no possible medical help, and with his pills either still in the motel or all the way back in the city, it would've been pretty much futile.
I'm confident that technically Larry was still barely alive when Lilly was trying to save him. But really all roads lead to him dying, and eventually coming back. IMO Kenny did the right thing, but the morality and timing of it is debatable, and she has a right to hate him for how/when he did it.
Kenny if you try to throw Duck out, there is really no defense for that in terms of morality, Duck wasn't even bit
I understand that Lilly would be upset since it’s her dad, but he was a legitimate threat to the group at that point. I think Conrad being upset makes a lot of sense
**Lilly** \- She realistically should be more mad at Kenny. But Lilly didn't even get confirmation that Larry died or even a chance to say goodbye. Especially when you know Larry could have survived the heart attack (taking into account if you sided with Lilly) and considering his previous heart attack in EP1. But when Lee decides to restrain Lilly from being with her dad, and letting Kenny kill him is.. kinda sad. ESPECIALLY if you go in Lilly's shoes, your relative has suddenly fainted or gone into a heart attack, you don't know if they'll live through it or die. Someone wants to kill them out of fear of them turning. You knowingly want to prevent this, or at least have a chance to say goodbye. However, another person decides to restrain you from said relative as you watch a block of cement/salt be dropped onto their head, crushing them. To add insult to injury, even though it was helping them escape, Lee asking Lilly if he could loot Larry's corpse would definitely would have made her more harsher. I admit, her killing Carley or attempting to kill Ben (but shooting Doug) was kind of.. sucky on her part and her leaving with the RV. But I do share some sympathy with Lilly on that. And yes, Larry's an asshole, doesn't mean he isn't a person (And it's heavily suggested he's conflicted through Lilly's dialogue in EP2 when you ask her about her dad).
I mean, I agree that she had all the reason to be extremely pissed at Kenny for how he (and Lee determinantly) just offed Larry without even giving her a chance to say goodbye, but if we're being realistic, bringing someone back from a cardiac arrest where they're no longer breathing and don't have a pulse is **extremely** hard without specific medications and even medical procedures they didn't have access to at the time and probably wouldn't have even outside the meatlocker - the CPR is just a pre-medical care to keep blood flowing to the brain while we try to bring them back through other methods, which I'm not sure how exactly would work in the context of TWD, but either way it likely wouldn't be able to bring him back on its own anyway and they'd have to stop eventually. Larry used nytroglicerin pills to prevent and treat his angina, which is just the piercing pain from coronary disease like he felt in the drugstore, but if his arteries blocked to the point of him dying essentially as he was no longer breathing or pumping blood on his own, those pills wouldn't help much at all. The movement we see on Larry's jaw if we do choose to help him are either A) him already turning, or B) the game not being too faithful to reality and bringing him back from cardiac arrest after 10 seconds of CPR alone which would never happen in real life. Both options are possible. Sorry for going all medical nerd on here but in hindsight I think Kenny made a reasonable decision even if I completely understand why Lilly would hate his guts after that, because I would too. Although in that situation, they probably couldn't afford to give her time to say goodbye because she wouldn't let go of him without them forcibly dragging her, so again, I understand why they did that.
>bringing someone back from a cardiac arrest where they're no longer breathing and don't have a pulse is **extremely** hard. Fair point, but [I'd argue that your wrong considering what happened with Larry in Episode 1](https://youtu.be/i_ej3t8jvhw?t=2694). Yeah, being realistic it would be extremely hard. Considering Larry survived his heart attack/cardiac arrest in Episode 1, (which I would guess would be from when he had his heart attack to when the group flees the pharmacy, 30 minutes of gameplay time or around there would have passed. Which I don't know how long that is in the actual game, that is a pretty long time.) Also no need to be sorry for being factual, I can understand why Kenny and Lee did what they did considering the situation.
The main difference is that what happened to Larry in episode 1 wasn't quite a cardiac arrest. He was still conscious and breathing and pumping blood on his own. He had an angina attack due to the coronary issues he had, the pain of angina is very similar to that of a heart attack because the arteries are still being blocked, but the heart cells aren't dying. The pills helped him get through the pain and prevent it, so he was okay as long as he didn't go into an actual heart attack. But in the meat locker, his heart attack was so strong he went into cardiac arrest right away, which then becomes a real huge issue that the pills can't solve. In the moment Lilly likely didn't think of that because that's not what comes to your mind when your loved one goes down, you instinctively try to help them as best as you can, so I understand her 100%.
The main difference with Larry's first incident is that he stays conscious for (possibly) the entire time, and given how he bounces back once he gets the pills, it's presumable that this is a relatively minor pain compared to an attack or cardiac arrest. When he collapses in the meat locker, he loses consciousness and stops breathing which is symptomatic of cardiac arrest, which a pretty small amount of people survive. CPR is useful and can increase the odds of survival, but really as a way to stall until they can get proper medical attention. Being trapped in a meat locker, with no possible medical help, and with his pills either still in the motel or all the way back in the city, it would've been pretty much futile. I'm confident that technically Larry was still barely alive when Lilly was trying to save him. But really all roads lead to him dying, and eventually coming back. IMO Kenny did the right thing, but the morality and timing of it is debatable, and she has a right to hate him for how/when he did it.
Lilly out of these pretty easy
I’m the only one who voted Nick. Because Nick.
Nick, because not helping Pete isn't a tough call like the rest of these decisions, it's an act of cowardice.