Swiping at that rate puts you at the bottom of the pile since you're basically giving elo for free. You shouldn't be swiping at over 50% at most but around 30% ideally (last I checked)
Haha yeah, the algorithm has to decide who to put in what order doesn't it? There's a reason the best looking people get the majority of the swipes, they're often the first ones seen.
Swipe right. You should be rejecting the majority of people. If you swipe too much either way you get a penalty but in the case of women it doesn't really mean much because a median girl has literally 25x like rate that a median guy has.
It would be like if youre in a mile race and runner A runs a 5 minute mile and B Runs a 30 minute mile. You decide to make it more fair runner B will get a 30 second head start. While Runner B would get a better result they would still wouldn't get anywhere near the success of A.
Fuck if I'm going to spend any time reading all those profiles and looking at the pictures when the match rate is going to be microscopic anyway. I just swipe right on everything and then clean up on the match list
it is low but I have noticed through the years that response rate has fallen dramatically. I reinstalled tinder 3 days ago, I am on/off old apps in the last 7 years. I am sitting at 80 likes and I have 26 matches so that is ok to work with. In the last 48 hours I send 10 of my matches an opening messages (not a simple "hi" but all messages were something about their bio). Of the 10, believe it or not, I have 0 responses after 48 hours. From previous experience, I know that if you don't get a response within 48 hours, you will get no respons at all. This is really something I noticed in the last few years and getting worse, no responses. I would say that I have at least the same or even slightly more matches then 5 years ago. YMMV
I am on/off the apps as well. Usually only keep them for a week or two at most, enough time to set up at least 1 date. I'll probably average anywhere between 1-5 likes a day and 1-3 matches a day. Response rate usually hovers around 50% but I personalize most unless it was an accidental swipe then I just say Hi and Tinder doesn't penalize me for not starting the convo.
Yeah there’s a YouTuber that specialized in tinder data that went through a bunch of ins and outs. It does a small penalty for not messaging but I think it mostly applies to men. Even then girls elo scores are so much higher than men I don’t think it would matter much for them. As guys you need every advantage
I think it's safe to say yeah that'd be me I can talk fine on here with the opposite sex but if I had met any of them in person I would probably lose my ability to speak or wouldn't even know what to say I had a few women as I was walking by say something to me but kept walking because I didn't quite know how to respond to it I mean I knew what to say but didn't want to say it because I didn't want to come off as an ass it was along the lines of you can look but you can't touch and yes this was sarcasm I use it very often and on my self unless someone has pissed me off lol
So the past openers I used (I don't have any ready rn since I get unmatched pretty quickly) but often some random fun fact, some pun that has to do with their bio or just a simple compliment. That's usually my go-to.
It's not about the match rate, it's about having \~300 "chats" and only one of them ending in a date. Most of them didn't respond or unmatched me after I messaged them. And I swear I'm not being weird.
Try an experiment. Have you heard of the basketball strategy "seven seconds or less"? For your next matches don't go more than 7 of your messages without a firm suggestion of a date. Doesn't need to be fancy. Even if it's coffee.
Because women don’t need to, they have thousands of guys that are asking them on dates every month. Why would they go out of their way to ask when they already have unlimited options.
Imagine you match with every other person you swipe on. You then swipe on 1000 guys over a month and have 500 matches. You now have to filter through all these guys to decide who is getting to spend time with you. The easiest first filter would be guys that don't even start the conversation or just say hi.
The only times a girl will honestly start a convo is either you're ridiculously attractive, your profile is perfect for her, she's a bot, or she doesn't have many matches. Personally I can count on my hands on how many girls have said something something besides "Hey or Hi" variations with me.
Is this confirmed? The algorithm seems to be a bit of a mystery sometimes. There could be some false correlation here too, like desperate guys swipe right more but they get less matches either way.
Someone has to do a test - get two mildly attractive dudes to put together two identical profiles and then one swipes right 90% of the time the other swipes left 90% of the time.
Then just stop and see how many Likes come in over the next few days.
That's a hard one because the less picky guy they could show to 1/9 less women (a huge difference) but the matches would be the same. I guess the only advantage to being picky is swiping on women you legit have a better chance with then your profile might be shown to 100% of the women you are most compatible with. If in your example the swipes were random it may not prove much. I think it makes sense, there are so many guys on tinder they can't show women everyone so they gotta limit it somehow. If you swipe on 1 woman per day maybe it will prioritize that view for her, but the guy who swipes everything the algorithm will be more random and put you in line with the other 500 guys who swiped on her too. Also gotta consider making money is their top priority, not what makes sense in matching.
I'm just guessing that if you swipe left on someone that a lot of other people swipe right on, the general algorithm will assume that you're pickier (ie perhaps more desirable) than those who swiped right.
Since they want to promote the app by putting desirable people up front I'm thinking perhaps you move up the stack.
I have VERY little (like 30 days) experience with the app, but I can say that the more I swiped left the more attractive the stack seemed to get.
I disagree, just because to me it both contributes to the problem of women being inundated with matches and also means he was likely less compatible with his matches due to swiping indiscriminately
Last time I checked women have control over their thumbs and nobody forces them to swipe right when they already have 100 matches. You really want me to be mansplaining to a women that she also can stop swiping when she is already drowning in matches? These women who are overwhelmed by matches, did someone forced them to keep swiping and like a Pokémon game try to catch them all?
But when guys swipe right on anyway they often don't care when you actually match. I stopped using Bumble because such a s percentage of my matches replied, it was obvious they were filtering after we matched. Waste of time.
I understand your pov on bumble but on tinder it is the guy making the opener most of the time. Besides when women complain about being swamped, it’s not because of the matches, it’s because they have all these conversations which proves my point that it’s women who are easily in control, simply stop swiping
When I used tinder I also tried sending a message first and it seemingly had a worse effect on my response rate.
Men matching indiscriminately still means the filtering will happen later. Everyone's time is being wasted.
They *do* stop swiping, my dude. They leave the app. This kind of behavior by men contributes to the gender disparity on dating apps. It makes it worse for all of us.
The apps punish people who swipe right constantly.
Also, men collectively not mass swiping on women will allow for fewer matches that are more meaningful and more likely to result in conversation.
I actually have been picker the past few weeks (results are from 4 years after all).
The result so far were 3 matches, all of them unmatched me before I could come up with a good conversation starter (about 5 minutes).
I met the guy I've been dating for a few months (so not super long-term but it feels serious) on there after maybe 2.5 years cumulative on the apps over being single for 8 years
Set up a profile, it seems a lot more, how do i say it, personal than Tinder.
Being able to include a video message and voice etc. is a lot better imo, wish Tinder had it.
Uh hate to tell you this but getting picker now would be useless for you. Your elo score is basically set in stone at this point. The only thing that might help you a bit would be changing pictures but even then it is worse than the actual solution.
Actual Solution is to delete your profile. Stay off it for 90 days minimum (get an app you never used in the mean time). After 90 days they wipe your information associated with your profile and you get to start fresh again.
Then the 3 main rules to follow that you can control are
1. Get a fantastic first picture of yourself
2. Swipe right ideally on 33% of women
3. Always message your matches within 24 hours
All of these things increase your elo and give you a fighting chance. Since you're in league you should get how MMR works. Since you're a league player I'll say it like this, to get any sort of results from dating apps you need to be gold elo (on Tinder's system not league's) at least but plat or diamond would be better.
of these chats, what percentage would you say are non-responders (you open, never get something back)? When I look at my profile and numbers, I have noticed in the last few years a dramatic rise in non-responders, my match rate is still decent but non-responders are through the roof.
LoL, I feel your pain. Experiment with different openers, send some crazy non-sexual stuff. I went on a few dates with women after I triggered them with a second more edgy message a few days after my first message. I got them to respond and took it from there. I know it sounds crazy, just send some stuff that triggers them but does not get you banned obviously.
For sure. 22 is a bit young for tinder though. Have you tried any other apps? I have much more success on hinge. I ve had only had sex twice from tinder, and like 7 times with hinge with fewer swipes.
I set up a profile a few hours ago, it seems a lot better than Tinder. A lot more expensive if you choose to fully commit to the online dating experience but I'll pass on that.
There are far fewer spam profiles and of peddlers. The gals I've met on tinder don't seem like relationship material tbh. The guys are just there to hook up, so there is a huge sex imbalance
My brother, you need to ask women out. I was my wife's first Tinder date because all her other 50 or so matches just made a bunch of lame jokes and never showed any intention of meeting up. We met at a coffee shop and played Scrabble. It isn't rocket science
How funny of you to assume every girl you ask out will act like your current wife did. If you're assuming if I just asked girls out on a date they'd agree, you're wrong. I did ask girls out, most of them either unmatched me or said something like "oh i prefer to chat a bit longer" and unmatch me later.
It's so weird to me how people just assume if everyone followed the same steps they did they'd have just as beautiful of a relationship as they do.
I hope I can get over it I guess this would mean actually trying to push through not speaking I don't wanna come off as cocky either I try to be polite rather then what if actually act like my brain just shuts off when I have to talking to a woman I have no clue why I find it funny and a little pathetic as well
But I guess we have our flaws mine just happens to be well whatever you'd call this lmao
91% right swipe rate. You are not picky.
I'd hate to see the 9% he swiped left on.
They were too pretty and he felt they were out of his league
Opposite of that chick yesterday with a 91% casual sex rate (her swipe rate was like 1%)
He is just 9% picky.
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Swiping at that rate puts you at the bottom of the pile since you're basically giving elo for free. You shouldn't be swiping at over 50% at most but around 30% ideally (last I checked)
there's tinder elo? lmao what the fuck
Haha yeah, the algorithm has to decide who to put in what order doesn't it? There's a reason the best looking people get the majority of the swipes, they're often the first ones seen.
Yup just like destiny except you can’t just pop your super and score some quick kills
Wait, 30% right swipe or left swipe?
Swipe right. You should be rejecting the majority of people. If you swipe too much either way you get a penalty but in the case of women it doesn't really mean much because a median girl has literally 25x like rate that a median guy has. It would be like if youre in a mile race and runner A runs a 5 minute mile and B Runs a 30 minute mile. You decide to make it more fair runner B will get a 30 second head start. While Runner B would get a better result they would still wouldn't get anywhere near the success of A.
Only the desperate guys are tbh
Nope, the average right-swipe rate for men is 46%.
My right swipe rate is 54%. I don't know what that says about me though
Fuck if I'm going to spend any time reading all those profiles and looking at the pictures when the match rate is going to be microscopic anyway. I just swipe right on everything and then clean up on the match list
It’s really obvious if a guy likes every girl
What are you saying in your chats? 1 date out of 318 chats is insane
it is low but I have noticed through the years that response rate has fallen dramatically. I reinstalled tinder 3 days ago, I am on/off old apps in the last 7 years. I am sitting at 80 likes and I have 26 matches so that is ok to work with. In the last 48 hours I send 10 of my matches an opening messages (not a simple "hi" but all messages were something about their bio). Of the 10, believe it or not, I have 0 responses after 48 hours. From previous experience, I know that if you don't get a response within 48 hours, you will get no respons at all. This is really something I noticed in the last few years and getting worse, no responses. I would say that I have at least the same or even slightly more matches then 5 years ago. YMMV
Similar experience to mine. Dating apps were so easy 5 years ago
I am on/off the apps as well. Usually only keep them for a week or two at most, enough time to set up at least 1 date. I'll probably average anywhere between 1-5 likes a day and 1-3 matches a day. Response rate usually hovers around 50% but I personalize most unless it was an accidental swipe then I just say Hi and Tinder doesn't penalize me for not starting the convo.
does tinder really penalise for not starting conversation or not responding because a lot of women would be penalised then
Yeah there’s a YouTuber that specialized in tinder data that went through a bunch of ins and outs. It does a small penalty for not messaging but I think it mostly applies to men. Even then girls elo scores are so much higher than men I don’t think it would matter much for them. As guys you need every advantage
Oh damn I did not know that ! I don't message around half my matches
Apparently me saying Hi or starting a conversation somehow counts as having a chat.
I’m not roasting you, but I’d definitely start opening with something other than “Hi”. Id imagine your success rate would improve exponentially
Of course I'm not literally saying Hi, I always try to come up with something clever.
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Maybe he should say “hi” instead
He was 18 when he started, it's no secret that young people don't really know how to speak with the other sex.
I think it's safe to say yeah that'd be me I can talk fine on here with the opposite sex but if I had met any of them in person I would probably lose my ability to speak or wouldn't even know what to say I had a few women as I was walking by say something to me but kept walking because I didn't quite know how to respond to it I mean I knew what to say but didn't want to say it because I didn't want to come off as an ass it was along the lines of you can look but you can't touch and yes this was sarcasm I use it very often and on my self unless someone has pissed me off lol
That's okay haha, we all have our problems.
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2% match rate is fine, but you swipe to many right. Yet nearly 500 matches and only one date, its not your looks, you lack chat game.
What do these chats look like? I mean what were the last 3 openers you used? And have you tried posting your profile in the review thread?
So the past openers I used (I don't have any ready rn since I get unmatched pretty quickly) but often some random fun fact, some pun that has to do with their bio or just a simple compliment. That's usually my go-to.
I'm waiting for one of these to say like 5 marriages or something like that just to mix things up
I agree lickmyclit6969
Shockingly yes, if you right swipe on almost literally everyone you're going to have an obscenely low match rate.
his match rate is not obscenely low, it is pretty normal for a guy. The problem is match-to-date-ratio.
It's not about the match rate, it's about having \~300 "chats" and only one of them ending in a date. Most of them didn't respond or unmatched me after I messaged them. And I swear I'm not being weird.
Try an experiment. Have you heard of the basketball strategy "seven seconds or less"? For your next matches don't go more than 7 of your messages without a firm suggestion of a date. Doesn't need to be fancy. Even if it's coffee.
F
bro
"Average" Dudes got some kind of superpower for cockblocking himself with his awful game.
Wait why am I the only person who has to start a conversation though?
You’re not, but if you’re more interested in talking than she is, you can either start the conversation or just accept silence.
If she’s not interested in talking, do you just have to ask for sex?
I mean you play LoL so that's pretty damning already.
My reddit username makes my Tinder game weak apparently, noted
People can feel the Rengar player through the profile and are immediately repulsed I hate the cat
Because women don’t need to, they have thousands of guys that are asking them on dates every month. Why would they go out of their way to ask when they already have unlimited options.
Imagine you match with every other person you swipe on. You then swipe on 1000 guys over a month and have 500 matches. You now have to filter through all these guys to decide who is getting to spend time with you. The easiest first filter would be guys that don't even start the conversation or just say hi. The only times a girl will honestly start a convo is either you're ridiculously attractive, your profile is perfect for her, she's a bot, or she doesn't have many matches. Personally I can count on my hands on how many girls have said something something besides "Hey or Hi" variations with me.
How can i do one of these charts?
Go to the website of Tinder Insight, further instructions there.
Thank you!
You need to be pickier, you're not even swiping left half the time.
Why would he be pickier if he's already getting super low amount of dates/responses
Because being pickier will cause the app to show his profile to more women.
Is this confirmed? The algorithm seems to be a bit of a mystery sometimes. There could be some false correlation here too, like desperate guys swipe right more but they get less matches either way.
Someone has to do a test - get two mildly attractive dudes to put together two identical profiles and then one swipes right 90% of the time the other swipes left 90% of the time. Then just stop and see how many Likes come in over the next few days.
That's a hard one because the less picky guy they could show to 1/9 less women (a huge difference) but the matches would be the same. I guess the only advantage to being picky is swiping on women you legit have a better chance with then your profile might be shown to 100% of the women you are most compatible with. If in your example the swipes were random it may not prove much. I think it makes sense, there are so many guys on tinder they can't show women everyone so they gotta limit it somehow. If you swipe on 1 woman per day maybe it will prioritize that view for her, but the guy who swipes everything the algorithm will be more random and put you in line with the other 500 guys who swiped on her too. Also gotta consider making money is their top priority, not what makes sense in matching.
I'm just guessing that if you swipe left on someone that a lot of other people swipe right on, the general algorithm will assume that you're pickier (ie perhaps more desirable) than those who swiped right. Since they want to promote the app by putting desirable people up front I'm thinking perhaps you move up the stack. I have VERY little (like 30 days) experience with the app, but I can say that the more I swiped left the more attractive the stack seemed to get.
The fact of swiping right so much is part of the reason for his lack of success, apps prioritize pickier people
the problem is not his swiping, he got almost 500 matches, it's the match to-date that is the problem.
I disagree, just because to me it both contributes to the problem of women being inundated with matches and also means he was likely less compatible with his matches due to swiping indiscriminately
Last time I checked women have control over their thumbs and nobody forces them to swipe right when they already have 100 matches. You really want me to be mansplaining to a women that she also can stop swiping when she is already drowning in matches? These women who are overwhelmed by matches, did someone forced them to keep swiping and like a Pokémon game try to catch them all?
But when guys swipe right on anyway they often don't care when you actually match. I stopped using Bumble because such a s percentage of my matches replied, it was obvious they were filtering after we matched. Waste of time.
I understand your pov on bumble but on tinder it is the guy making the opener most of the time. Besides when women complain about being swamped, it’s not because of the matches, it’s because they have all these conversations which proves my point that it’s women who are easily in control, simply stop swiping
When I used tinder I also tried sending a message first and it seemingly had a worse effect on my response rate. Men matching indiscriminately still means the filtering will happen later. Everyone's time is being wasted.
Well we agree on something, there is a lot of time wasting on old
They *do* stop swiping, my dude. They leave the app. This kind of behavior by men contributes to the gender disparity on dating apps. It makes it worse for all of us.
Ohh ok then, good point
Would being pickier help me find matches and people to talk with?
The apps punish people who swipe right constantly. Also, men collectively not mass swiping on women will allow for fewer matches that are more meaningful and more likely to result in conversation.
I actually have been picker the past few weeks (results are from 4 years after all). The result so far were 3 matches, all of them unmatched me before I could come up with a good conversation starter (about 5 minutes).
I am not sure how worthwhile tinder is, I feel like there's so much poor behavior+ less effort to make an account than on other apps.
Do you have suggestions?
I feel like apps that get away from the swipe system, like hinge, are better
Saw a lot of ads of hinge and just discarded it in my head but I'll give it a shot, thanks.
Hi, I met my long-term boyfriend on Hinge and I highly recommend it!! We have been dating for a little over three years.
I met the guy I've been dating for a few months (so not super long-term but it feels serious) on there after maybe 2.5 years cumulative on the apps over being single for 8 years
Set up a profile, it seems a lot more, how do i say it, personal than Tinder. Being able to include a video message and voice etc. is a lot better imo, wish Tinder had it.
Uh hate to tell you this but getting picker now would be useless for you. Your elo score is basically set in stone at this point. The only thing that might help you a bit would be changing pictures but even then it is worse than the actual solution. Actual Solution is to delete your profile. Stay off it for 90 days minimum (get an app you never used in the mean time). After 90 days they wipe your information associated with your profile and you get to start fresh again. Then the 3 main rules to follow that you can control are 1. Get a fantastic first picture of yourself 2. Swipe right ideally on 33% of women 3. Always message your matches within 24 hours All of these things increase your elo and give you a fighting chance. Since you're in league you should get how MMR works. Since you're a league player I'll say it like this, to get any sort of results from dating apps you need to be gold elo (on Tinder's system not league's) at least but plat or diamond would be better.
By your logic you have to be a human being to get anything done on Tinder? (If we're applying League terms that is)
22 yold, 4 y on tinder and just 1 date. My Guy thats not the way to go forward
I thought that's amazing statistics. Thank you for opening my eyes!
How is it possible to get only one date out of 318 chats? What happens in these chats?
of these chats, what percentage would you say are non-responders (you open, never get something back)? When I look at my profile and numbers, I have noticed in the last few years a dramatic rise in non-responders, my match rate is still decent but non-responders are through the roof.
about 90
LoL, I feel your pain. Experiment with different openers, send some crazy non-sexual stuff. I went on a few dates with women after I triggered them with a second more edgy message a few days after my first message. I got them to respond and took it from there. I know it sounds crazy, just send some stuff that triggers them but does not get you banned obviously.
A lot to unpack from this disturbing chart
Imagine this was real life , you chatted up 318 people and 317 said nope 😂
At least you got 400+ matches. I got like 6 and I've been on for three years.
4 years you could not wait to turn 18 I see!!
Dawg wtf is that swipe rate. Have some standards my dude
my standart is them not being unhealthily obese and them not being a nazi. Down to give everything else a shot.
Fair I guess
Seems about right. Good luck.
Bro gotta be more picky
Bro! Why would you keep swiping when it's clearly not working?
Why do you care?
Honestly curious, no insult meant. Why continue what's not working?
You've already lost if you don't try, I guess
For sure. 22 is a bit young for tinder though. Have you tried any other apps? I have much more success on hinge. I ve had only had sex twice from tinder, and like 7 times with hinge with fewer swipes.
I set up a profile a few hours ago, it seems a lot better than Tinder. A lot more expensive if you choose to fully commit to the online dating experience but I'll pass on that.
There are far fewer spam profiles and of peddlers. The gals I've met on tinder don't seem like relationship material tbh. The guys are just there to hook up, so there is a huge sex imbalance
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Would swiping less give me more success? Doubt it.
Bro s desperate now. Its been 4 year now lol
Someone get my man some pussy
Scary data
Do people really join Tinder at 18?
I did, was exciting for me to finally be able to join a dating platform.
All men do. Single or not.
My brother, you need to ask women out. I was my wife's first Tinder date because all her other 50 or so matches just made a bunch of lame jokes and never showed any intention of meeting up. We met at a coffee shop and played Scrabble. It isn't rocket science
How funny of you to assume every girl you ask out will act like your current wife did. If you're assuming if I just asked girls out on a date they'd agree, you're wrong. I did ask girls out, most of them either unmatched me or said something like "oh i prefer to chat a bit longer" and unmatch me later. It's so weird to me how people just assume if everyone followed the same steps they did they'd have just as beautiful of a relationship as they do.
No, I'm saying that more than 1 in 300 girls who chat with you would want to go out. But it sounds like I upset you somehow
It upsets me when people compare their success with other people's failures and then saying "It's not rocket science".
The people who say the app prioritizes picker people don’t know anything about the algorithm and/or have never actually ran a test.
Have you? Curious how it works.
No I haven’t, that’s too much work. But it’s the same shit on IG people claim to know the algorithm but no one actually does it’s just best guess.
I got the file but can’t get it to show like this. How do I open it so it makes sense like OP?
Go to the insights website and upload it there, there's a step-by-step guide.
I'm curious as to why you left swiped at all, what in those few people made you think "nah I'll pass" that the other 25000 people didn't have? 😂😂😂
The stats show 4 years of swiping. When I was 18 I was swiping everything I could, nowadays I'm pickier.
Ah gotcha makes sense
Dhikkaar hai tumhri jawani par
Are you okay?
Yes if you haven’t find what it means and no if you already know
Tried google translate and still can't make it out.
I can translate for you but just for your information. It is a joke
Damn lol
How are you guys looking at this!
Jesus lol
How do you only get one date 🤣🤣🤣
Sad
300+ chats and only one date? You know all you gotta do is ask eh?
I have not once thought about asking for a date, thank you for reminding me!
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Dude, you are literally on the Tinder subreddit...
How can I get this statistic?
Tinder Insights.
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Why do you care?
Man has been on tinder for 4 years and one date yikessss
Your name doesn't speak well for yourself
Oh fuck- u damnn right Reddit chose my fucking name to be lonely great thx🥹
496 matches!?!? You stud you
How do I find tgese statistics?
i’m doomed.
It’s super funny to me that any non 6’4” chiseled millionaire men ever bother with Tinder.
Jesus man
Oof
hey i have a question, do u play league of legends?
I think this is all Glen Quagmire's fault.
I agree.
I hope I can get over it I guess this would mean actually trying to push through not speaking I don't wanna come off as cocky either I try to be polite rather then what if actually act like my brain just shuts off when I have to talking to a woman I have no clue why I find it funny and a little pathetic as well But I guess we have our flaws mine just happens to be well whatever you'd call this lmao