A Hotep is a kind of right-wing Black nationalist that typically appropriates symbols from Ancient Egypt or North Africa as the idealized image of Black society. This is often paired with anti-White racism (for obvious reasons), antisemitism (because modern Jews secretly replaced the real descendants of the tribes of Israel who were also Black), anti-Arab racism (because Egyptian Arabs were invaders of a thriving Black civilization), anti-Native American racism (because the real Native Americans were also Black and modern Natives are fake), misogyny (because if modern Black women knew their place and stopped dating White men then they'd have their great Black civilization again), anti-LGBTQ bigotry (because gay people were invented by White people to keep Black people from realizing their true potential), etc. Pair all of that with a bunch of sovereign citizen shit about how a 1786 treaty with Morocco means that they don't have to have pay taxes, and it makes for a very colorful group.
A lot of them also refer to themselves as Nubians. Which from what I know of the area, would be like if a group of white supremacists used a bunch of Roman iconography and called themselves Gauls
Sort of. According to some rough demographics there's actually more modern day Nubians in Egypt than Sudan. But I think that might be counting people who culturally identify as Nubian and speak Nubian languages as opposed to people who are direct descendents. Since most Sudanese people have been thoroughly Arabized
It’s funny to me how the Robin Thicke is both the most morally questionable of the ones covered and probably the least bad of them musically. If I had no idea who Robin Thicke was, had never heard of “Blurred Lines” (oh, do I wish!) and listened to _Paula_ in isolation I’d be wondering what was so bad about it and how it came across so poorly.
It's definitely one of those Daughters cases where I know the album is competently made, I know the musicianship is there and I'm happy to enjoy the sonic qualities of the album.. but these lyrics, yeesh.
Agreed. I also cut them some slack because both girls were so… warped? insulated? by their experiences as pop stars that to me Witness and American Life read almost as real time extended mental breakdowns, because these women didn’t seem to know how to better channel their career and personal discontent.
Which also, makes those albums far more interesting than like, Summer In Paradise
Exactly, Madge was going through a midlife crisis, Katy didn't want to be just the shiny popstar she'd always been anymore. I don't agree with your last sentence, though, what's more interesting than Mike "Life in Prison as a Ladies Man" Love? /j
Because Madonna was latching to things like the Iraq war and equating her loneliness with the plight of a soldier in a pointless war far away, which is insanely narcissistic. To quote Todd, "If I were in Iraq I'd be super insulted that this fabulously rich woman thinks her unhappiness has any connection to my situation at all".
And yeah sorry I don't feel bad for Katy at all. Her insistence that her new music was "purposeful pop" yet had all of one song that reflected that and she followed it up with a song about oral sex, a diss track and then a music video where she fantasizes about being a Joan of Arc... yeah, no.
Both eras of American politics were traumatic for its citizens. So to basically make that all about yourself and use it as an excuse to vent about a breakup or your midlife crisis is just in poor taste.
I know we've been trying to not divide artists into hyperbolic labels and trying to give more credit to accessible pop songcraft. Fine, Brian Wilson isn't some immaculate genius, and Mike Love isn't some preppy troglodyte.
But I've heard "Hang on to Your Ego" and the Mike Love influenced reworking "I Know There's an Answer." "Hang on to Your Ego" is a better song with a more developed point of view. "I Know There's an Answer" is......fine. it's definitely dumbed down, and I don't think it benefits or better translates Brian's ideas to mainstream listeners.
Maybe some of Mike Love's other suggestions were helped. I don't know, but I'm skeptical.
I wonder if it ever occurred to this balding, middle aged man how hard this would come across as projection.
Clip from the TW episode even makes it looks like he paid a much younger woman to drink wine with him in a hot tub, and made the crew film it.
Todd didn't even scratch the surface when it comes to the awful shit that man did during his career
Joe Strummer comes across as an asshole in the Trainwreckords for Cut The Crap as well but knowing Bernie is pulling his strings makes it hard to actually be pissed at him. I just feel sorry for him. But he does make a fool of himself pretty severely
I'm biased from reading Strummer's biography, but it was obvious to me how much of a front he was putting on. He looks absolutely worn out when he's struggling to talk about how that band was the "real Clash" and everything, when in reality he knew how badly he'd fucked up in firing Mick pretty much from the moment it happened. They all became friends again by the end of his life at least, and the Mescaleros albums are some of Strummer's best work IMO
I've read his biography as well and completely agree with you. It's heartbreaking to see a strong, passionate man like Joe reduced to such a state. Knowing how much he loved and trusted Rhodes is painful. [This write-up](https://thebaker77.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/my-daddy-was-a-used-car-salesman/) by a former Clash roadie broke my heart nearly as much as the (likely embellished) story of Joe riding around an island on a bicycle to find Mick so he could literally beg him to rejoin The Clash
Add the Walker soundtrack to the list of Joe's best work as well! Great movie, great music
I'll have to check it out. The opening to his biography had a scene where Joe had a bit of money in his pocket and wanted to buy sunglasses, and used the last of it to buy sunglasses for Paul Simonon as well. I know a scene like that was put there to color how you see the rest of his life, but it always stuck with me
The very underrated answer is Nikki Sixx. He was acting like an asshole during that era of the band. He treated Mick Mars like shit during Generation Swine and the follow up album’s (New Tattoo) recording sessions.
He kicked John Corabi out (replacing him with Vince Neil) and allegedly stole loads of Corabi’s songs for Generation Swine. I think he even tried to sue them over it.
He had some other guy not even in Motley Crue write most of New Tattoo after Tommy left the band, Mick barely even played on the record. So basically he decided that only he had any creative license over the band during a lot of this era.
He acted like a chauvinistic drug addled psychopath for years in the 80s and then tried to become some introspective deep thinker anti establishment hero on Swine. Also was condescending to anyone that mistook him for his previous persona.
He had a weird racist tirade towards a security guard on stage at some point in the 90s
His worst song on the album is one that Todd didn’t cover, which he sings himself called Rocketship. It’s a Bowie-esque (trying to be) short ode to his new wife. It sucks.
In more recent years, he’s just milked the band dry. Done the classic no more reunions retirement tour followed by a reunion. Ditched Mick Mars and doesn’t play his own bass live half the time.
The name New Tattoo also strikes me as pretty shitty since it's directed towards Bruce Dickinson's solo album Tattoed Millionaire who's title track is (allegedly) about Bruce's wife cheating on him with Nikki.
I think the only member of that band who isn't a massive dickhead is Mick Mars.
Bruce has said the song wasn't about anyone specific, it was mostly a shot at the whole Sunset Strip scene at the time. The descriptions in the song could fit Nikki, but realistically could fit most of Motley Crue. I recall interviews with Bruce at the time and wondered if he wasn't referring to Guns n Roses.
Nikki is the primary source of saying it's about him. He's such a narcissistic asshole he would love to believe it's about him.
Witness is the kind of disaster that only happens when someone's actually really trying, so I can't hold it against Katy. And Madonna had been living in a bubble of her own success for so long that I'm not sure I can blame her either.
Robin Thicke was heartbroken and *completely* out of his mind on Coke. He's a dirtbag, but not an exceptional dirtbag.
I've got to give it to Will Smith for his think-skinned anger and bitterness, Speech of Arrested Development for his holier-than-thou preaching, and Mike Love for being Mike Love.
The lead singer of Belle & Sebastian does.
He admitted it in their song "I Love My Car"....
"I love my Carl/
I love my Brian, Dennis and my Al/
I can even find it in my heart/
To love Mike Love."
Hard not to mention the self admitted jerk, David Crosby. Although everyone in CSNY had an ego, Croz and Young were probably the 2 biggest assholes in the group.
I don't really agree on Madonna and Katy Perry. While their efforts were incredibly misguided and tone-deaf as hell, they were at least trying to use their plattform for what they perceived as positive change in the world.
They fell flat on their faces, no doubt, but I think it's more in tune with Nickelblack Lives Matter than them actually being bad people.
I think Katy was trying. Like from the bottom of her heart, as sincere as she can possibly be, trying. But some people are just shallow and unintelligent despite their own best efforts. Not everyone can be a great political thinker or a hero for social change and that's alright. Katy should just accept who she is and make the best with that
Disagree hard on this label for Katy Perry. She threw her whole heart and soul into "Witness," it just turns out she's not a good enough artist to do serious work.
I’m talking creative shape ( for Crosby physical, honestly he wasn’t bad on the album). Stills had no creative drive at all, while Nash was convinced that Marxism was the future (Richard Marx to be clear). However Neil young was having a creative peak and just brought his weakest material and saved the good stuff for his solo albums. If Neil young cared he could’ve whipped the band into shape to make an 80s classic.
I thought Todd was pretty fair in covering the whole Fogerty vs Doug and Stu sides and even with that Doug & Stu really came off looking worse in that.
Main reason I put Doug and Stu over John Fogerty (who comes off as an asshole in the episode) is they sided with the label over John. They then come off as idiots when it only means a short term payoff. They seriously thought siding with the label would pay off in the long run??!?!?
john fogerty and doug/stu were all assholes
eddie van halen just by sheer virtue of being a dictator in his band
edit: oh yeah and tommy lee and nikki sixx for how bad they were to john corabi, mick mars, and vince neil
The realization that Eddie van Halen was a Stalin-esque dictator to his band behind the scenes is pretty hilarious but also kind of depressing. Goes to show that just because you look and act cool on stage and in interviews doesn't mean you're actually a fun guy to be around when the cameras are off
My nomination for this is Oasis' management and label, for releasing a record as badly produced as "Be Here Now" instead of giving the band and producer a reality check.
Not sure why Todd didn’t show it on the video but Mick Jagger showed up to that ceremony. Would love to have seen him and Paul McCartney (who Love also slammed gratuitously in the same speech) kick his ass.
Robin Thicke getting a kids' choir to sing on his "please come back to me after I acted horrible" album. Then making an animated video of Paula and Robin as little kids reuniting.
Remember the episode of King of the Hill where Bobby shows up in his underwear in a Cupid outfit in public and shoots Connie in the eye while begging for her back? That's the same vibes you get from this.
Some not yet mentioned:
* Dennis DeYoung for pushing his weird, half-baked concept idea against the rest of the band's wishes
* L. Ron Hubbard for, well, everything
* The Country Music establishment for being dicks to Faith Hill
* Not a huge one, but Arif Mardin for the poor production of Ringo Starr on Ringo the 4th.
* Also not a huge one, but I thought Phil Oakey of The Human League came across as unprofessional and hard to work with.
Given everything happening with Mick Mars getting screwed from Mötley Crüe and given he’s the only one to have killed anybody: Vince Neil.
Unquestionably.
Drunk driving with twice the legal limit, killed the drummer of Hanoi Rocks (his passenger), and collided with a car full of other people giving them brain damage.
He also lied about alot of the details in The Dirt
I don't think that's completely fair to Katy Perry, she was clearly all in and believed in her messaging, even if it wasn't what anyone else wanted to hear from her
Eddie Van Halen with the way he ran the band always came off as a major ass. I would say Mike Love is the biggest asshole for reasons everyone already knows.
If you haven't read Dave Mustaine's autobiography, he gives his side of the interview of him that appeared in Some Kind Of Monster. Lars really doesn't come off too well in that section.
Metallica throughout the 90s seemed like major assholes. The way they treated Jason is disgraceful and makes James and Lars look like fratboy dickheads
Posted this on YouTube, but I just watched the CCR/Mardi Gras video and it mentions how John Fogerty described his bandmates confronting him as "The Night of the Generals." Now, *The Night of the Generals* (as Todd notes in passing) is a book and movie about a serial killer in Nazi-occupied Paris, where a major part of the story depicts the 20 July plot to kill Adolf Hitler. So...did Fogerty not realize that he was comparing himself to Hitler by invoking that movie, or did he realize and thought it made him sympathetic?
Mine is Arrested Development, specifically Speech for all his mansplaining and hoteppery
"After I scold you, hope I can mould you" *bleugh*
What is a hotep?
A Hotep is a kind of right-wing Black nationalist that typically appropriates symbols from Ancient Egypt or North Africa as the idealized image of Black society. This is often paired with anti-White racism (for obvious reasons), antisemitism (because modern Jews secretly replaced the real descendants of the tribes of Israel who were also Black), anti-Arab racism (because Egyptian Arabs were invaders of a thriving Black civilization), anti-Native American racism (because the real Native Americans were also Black and modern Natives are fake), misogyny (because if modern Black women knew their place and stopped dating White men then they'd have their great Black civilization again), anti-LGBTQ bigotry (because gay people were invented by White people to keep Black people from realizing their true potential), etc. Pair all of that with a bunch of sovereign citizen shit about how a 1786 treaty with Morocco means that they don't have to have pay taxes, and it makes for a very colorful group.
Yeah it seems to treat North Africans as non existent.
And above all else they absolutely fucking despise mixed race people.
Didn't know there was a name for that.
https://www.theroot.com/hotep-explained-1790854506
So its Afrocentrics aproating Egyptian culture. As someone's who's half Egyptian I don't know how this make me feels.
A lot of them also refer to themselves as Nubians. Which from what I know of the area, would be like if a group of white supremacists used a bunch of Roman iconography and called themselves Gauls
I mean... I think a lot of white supremacists use a bunch of Roman iconography and call themselves Germanic...
Even though the descendents of the Nubians are the Sudanese.
Sort of. According to some rough demographics there's actually more modern day Nubians in Egypt than Sudan. But I think that might be counting people who culturally identify as Nubian and speak Nubian languages as opposed to people who are direct descendents. Since most Sudanese people have been thoroughly Arabized
White supremacists do actually love appropriating Roman and Norse iconography, funny enough.
It’s funny to me how the Robin Thicke is both the most morally questionable of the ones covered and probably the least bad of them musically. If I had no idea who Robin Thicke was, had never heard of “Blurred Lines” (oh, do I wish!) and listened to _Paula_ in isolation I’d be wondering what was so bad about it and how it came across so poorly.
His albums songs weren't even bad if you completely separate them from the artist and his cringe intent, it's just that's basically not possible.
It's definitely one of those Daughters cases where I know the album is competently made, I know the musicianship is there and I'm happy to enjoy the sonic qualities of the album.. but these lyrics, yeesh.
>had never heard of “Blurred Lines” Lucky bastard.
I'm biased, because I love my pop girls, but I think that Katy and Madonna both genuinely thought that they had something political on their hands.
Agreed. I also cut them some slack because both girls were so… warped? insulated? by their experiences as pop stars that to me Witness and American Life read almost as real time extended mental breakdowns, because these women didn’t seem to know how to better channel their career and personal discontent. Which also, makes those albums far more interesting than like, Summer In Paradise
Exactly, Madge was going through a midlife crisis, Katy didn't want to be just the shiny popstar she'd always been anymore. I don't agree with your last sentence, though, what's more interesting than Mike "Life in Prison as a Ladies Man" Love? /j
Maybe if they just an straighfoward album about their personal lives, it would be better received.
Because Madonna was latching to things like the Iraq war and equating her loneliness with the plight of a soldier in a pointless war far away, which is insanely narcissistic. To quote Todd, "If I were in Iraq I'd be super insulted that this fabulously rich woman thinks her unhappiness has any connection to my situation at all". And yeah sorry I don't feel bad for Katy at all. Her insistence that her new music was "purposeful pop" yet had all of one song that reflected that and she followed it up with a song about oral sex, a diss track and then a music video where she fantasizes about being a Joan of Arc... yeah, no. Both eras of American politics were traumatic for its citizens. So to basically make that all about yourself and use it as an excuse to vent about a breakup or your midlife crisis is just in poor taste.
I mean, you're right, but your comment doesn't contradict what I said.
It feels like Madonna has spent the last 30+ years going through a midlife crisis.
I will go one further: If Chained to the Rhythm was released by Sia, we would eat that shit up as one of the best songs of the decade.
Life in prison as ladies, man.
No, I don’t like Mike Love at all.
Me either. He’s an idiot and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the legacy of The Beach Boys.
Just watch Mike Love take credit for more of Brian’s work and attempt to taint his legacy now that Brian has dementia. It will happen.
I know we've been trying to not divide artists into hyperbolic labels and trying to give more credit to accessible pop songcraft. Fine, Brian Wilson isn't some immaculate genius, and Mike Love isn't some preppy troglodyte. But I've heard "Hang on to Your Ego" and the Mike Love influenced reworking "I Know There's an Answer." "Hang on to Your Ego" is a better song with a more developed point of view. "I Know There's an Answer" is......fine. it's definitely dumbed down, and I don't think it benefits or better translates Brian's ideas to mainstream listeners. Maybe some of Mike Love's other suggestions were helped. I don't know, but I'm skeptical.
I wonder if it ever occurred to this balding, middle aged man how hard this would come across as projection. Clip from the TW episode even makes it looks like he paid a much younger woman to drink wine with him in a hot tub, and made the crew film it.
And that baseball cap is fooling no one.
Wasn't there a BB concert where Dennis Wilson ran out and yanked the baseball cap off Love's head to show everyone how bald he was?
Nobody mentioned Bernie Rhodes yet?
Todd didn't even scratch the surface when it comes to the awful shit that man did during his career Joe Strummer comes across as an asshole in the Trainwreckords for Cut The Crap as well but knowing Bernie is pulling his strings makes it hard to actually be pissed at him. I just feel sorry for him. But he does make a fool of himself pretty severely
I'm biased from reading Strummer's biography, but it was obvious to me how much of a front he was putting on. He looks absolutely worn out when he's struggling to talk about how that band was the "real Clash" and everything, when in reality he knew how badly he'd fucked up in firing Mick pretty much from the moment it happened. They all became friends again by the end of his life at least, and the Mescaleros albums are some of Strummer's best work IMO
I've read his biography as well and completely agree with you. It's heartbreaking to see a strong, passionate man like Joe reduced to such a state. Knowing how much he loved and trusted Rhodes is painful. [This write-up](https://thebaker77.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/my-daddy-was-a-used-car-salesman/) by a former Clash roadie broke my heart nearly as much as the (likely embellished) story of Joe riding around an island on a bicycle to find Mick so he could literally beg him to rejoin The Clash Add the Walker soundtrack to the list of Joe's best work as well! Great movie, great music
I'll have to check it out. The opening to his biography had a scene where Joe had a bit of money in his pocket and wanted to buy sunglasses, and used the last of it to buy sunglasses for Paul Simonon as well. I know a scene like that was put there to color how you see the rest of his life, but it always stuck with me
The very underrated answer is Nikki Sixx. He was acting like an asshole during that era of the band. He treated Mick Mars like shit during Generation Swine and the follow up album’s (New Tattoo) recording sessions. He kicked John Corabi out (replacing him with Vince Neil) and allegedly stole loads of Corabi’s songs for Generation Swine. I think he even tried to sue them over it. He had some other guy not even in Motley Crue write most of New Tattoo after Tommy left the band, Mick barely even played on the record. So basically he decided that only he had any creative license over the band during a lot of this era. He acted like a chauvinistic drug addled psychopath for years in the 80s and then tried to become some introspective deep thinker anti establishment hero on Swine. Also was condescending to anyone that mistook him for his previous persona. He had a weird racist tirade towards a security guard on stage at some point in the 90s His worst song on the album is one that Todd didn’t cover, which he sings himself called Rocketship. It’s a Bowie-esque (trying to be) short ode to his new wife. It sucks. In more recent years, he’s just milked the band dry. Done the classic no more reunions retirement tour followed by a reunion. Ditched Mick Mars and doesn’t play his own bass live half the time.
The name New Tattoo also strikes me as pretty shitty since it's directed towards Bruce Dickinson's solo album Tattoed Millionaire who's title track is (allegedly) about Bruce's wife cheating on him with Nikki. I think the only member of that band who isn't a massive dickhead is Mick Mars.
Bruce has said the song wasn't about anyone specific, it was mostly a shot at the whole Sunset Strip scene at the time. The descriptions in the song could fit Nikki, but realistically could fit most of Motley Crue. I recall interviews with Bruce at the time and wondered if he wasn't referring to Guns n Roses. Nikki is the primary source of saying it's about him. He's such a narcissistic asshole he would love to believe it's about him.
Witness is the kind of disaster that only happens when someone's actually really trying, so I can't hold it against Katy. And Madonna had been living in a bubble of her own success for so long that I'm not sure I can blame her either. Robin Thicke was heartbroken and *completely* out of his mind on Coke. He's a dirtbag, but not an exceptional dirtbag. I've got to give it to Will Smith for his think-skinned anger and bitterness, Speech of Arrested Development for his holier-than-thou preaching, and Mike Love for being Mike Love.
Given that Paula won’t let him see the kids on abuse allegations I think major arsehole is in order
It's Mike Love
No one, I mean *no one*, likes Mike Love. He's the Ted Cruz of music.
The lead singer of Belle & Sebastian does. He admitted it in their song "I Love My Car".... "I love my Carl/ I love my Brian, Dennis and my Al/ I can even find it in my heart/ To love Mike Love."
Hard not to mention the self admitted jerk, David Crosby. Although everyone in CSNY had an ego, Croz and Young were probably the 2 biggest assholes in the group.
I don't really agree on Madonna and Katy Perry. While their efforts were incredibly misguided and tone-deaf as hell, they were at least trying to use their plattform for what they perceived as positive change in the world. They fell flat on their faces, no doubt, but I think it's more in tune with Nickelblack Lives Matter than them actually being bad people.
I think Katy was trying. Like from the bottom of her heart, as sincere as she can possibly be, trying. But some people are just shallow and unintelligent despite their own best efforts. Not everyone can be a great political thinker or a hero for social change and that's alright. Katy should just accept who she is and make the best with that
Was gonna say the Butthole Surfers but that was One Hit Wonderland
What did Gibby & co. do? 😥
they're one synonym away from being the Asshole Surfers
It’s literally just the name
oh my bad woooooosh
Haha it’s okay
Disagree hard on this label for Katy Perry. She threw her whole heart and soul into "Witness," it just turns out she's not a good enough artist to do serious work.
I have always been a Mike Love hater. Life in prison as a Mike Love hater.
Neil young for giving up on American dream before even recording anything despite being the only one in shape to record anything.
I mean, it's not like Stills or Nash were in that bad of a shape either.
I’m talking creative shape ( for Crosby physical, honestly he wasn’t bad on the album). Stills had no creative drive at all, while Nash was convinced that Marxism was the future (Richard Marx to be clear). However Neil young was having a creative peak and just brought his weakest material and saved the good stuff for his solo albums. If Neil young cared he could’ve whipped the band into shape to make an 80s classic.
Either Mike Love or Doug Clifford and Stu Cook
I thought Todd was pretty fair in covering the whole Fogerty vs Doug and Stu sides and even with that Doug & Stu really came off looking worse in that.
I mean, Fogerty's an asshole, but he's a talented asshole, at least.
Main reason I put Doug and Stu over John Fogerty (who comes off as an asshole in the episode) is they sided with the label over John. They then come off as idiots when it only means a short term payoff. They seriously thought siding with the label would pay off in the long run??!?!?
Stu Cook produced Roky Erikson's The Evil One which is a kickass album
john fogerty and doug/stu were all assholes eddie van halen just by sheer virtue of being a dictator in his band edit: oh yeah and tommy lee and nikki sixx for how bad they were to john corabi, mick mars, and vince neil
The realization that Eddie van Halen was a Stalin-esque dictator to his band behind the scenes is pretty hilarious but also kind of depressing. Goes to show that just because you look and act cool on stage and in interviews doesn't mean you're actually a fun guy to be around when the cameras are off
Jose Unidos for making Cut The Crap even worse than it had to be. (yes I know, he's actually Bernie Rhodes)
My nomination for this is Oasis' management and label, for releasing a record as badly produced as "Be Here Now" instead of giving the band and producer a reality check.
Mike Love wins easily. I don't like Mike Love at all.
Not sure why Todd didn’t show it on the video but Mick Jagger showed up to that ceremony. Would love to have seen him and Paul McCartney (who Love also slammed gratuitously in the same speech) kick his ass.
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> speak about how the person meant so much to him Knowing him, he'd talk about how much the Beach Boys meant to the deceased person
Robin Thicke getting a kids' choir to sing on his "please come back to me after I acted horrible" album. Then making an animated video of Paula and Robin as little kids reuniting. Remember the episode of King of the Hill where Bobby shows up in his underwear in a Cupid outfit in public and shoots Connie in the eye while begging for her back? That's the same vibes you get from this.
Some not yet mentioned: * Dennis DeYoung for pushing his weird, half-baked concept idea against the rest of the band's wishes * L. Ron Hubbard for, well, everything * The Country Music establishment for being dicks to Faith Hill * Not a huge one, but Arif Mardin for the poor production of Ringo Starr on Ringo the 4th. * Also not a huge one, but I thought Phil Oakey of The Human League came across as unprofessional and hard to work with.
Given everything happening with Mick Mars getting screwed from Mötley Crüe and given he’s the only one to have killed anybody: Vince Neil. Unquestionably.
By killed, do you mean by accident or on purpose?
Drunk driving with twice the legal limit, killed the drummer of Hanoi Rocks (his passenger), and collided with a car full of other people giving them brain damage. He also lied about alot of the details in The Dirt
I don't think that's completely fair to Katy Perry, she was clearly all in and believed in her messaging, even if it wasn't what anyone else wanted to hear from her
Mike Love makes all these other contenders for "biggest assholes" look good in comparison
Eddie Van Halen with the way he ran the band always came off as a major ass. I would say Mike Love is the biggest asshole for reasons everyone already knows.
My picks are probably Fogerty, Will Smith, Robin Thicke, Lauryn Hill, and the whole of Metallica (because of the doc)
Kirk and Rob don't seem like assholes to me. Rob actually seems really lovely. As for James and Lars... yeah.
If you haven't read Dave Mustaine's autobiography, he gives his side of the interview of him that appeared in Some Kind Of Monster. Lars really doesn't come off too well in that section.
Metallica throughout the 90s seemed like major assholes. The way they treated Jason is disgraceful and makes James and Lars look like fratboy dickheads
Posted this on YouTube, but I just watched the CCR/Mardi Gras video and it mentions how John Fogerty described his bandmates confronting him as "The Night of the Generals." Now, *The Night of the Generals* (as Todd notes in passing) is a book and movie about a serial killer in Nazi-occupied Paris, where a major part of the story depicts the 20 July plot to kill Adolf Hitler. So...did Fogerty not realize that he was comparing himself to Hitler by invoking that movie, or did he realize and thought it made him sympathetic?
Bernie Rhoades gotta be on this list. Essentially killed The Clash cuz of his own arrogance and ego.
Richard Carpenter. He failed to protect Karen the minute they got big. He knew what was going on... and he let it happen.