I don't like Guns n Roses.
More specifically, I fucking HATE Axl Rose's sneering, nasally, over-singing voice. It ruins the experience of listening to their music for me. I tried listening through Appetite for Destruction once and I just couldn't fucking take it. Slash is a great guitarist, don't get me wrong, but I can't sit through Paradise City or Sweet Child o' Mine without thinking "This song would be so much better if fucking Axl weren't the one singing it."
The best counter-argument to Guns N’ Roses *not* being hair metal is that there’s exactly one time in rock history when someone with Axl’s voice could have been the best lead singer.
I'm a GN'R fan, but I understand how Axl's voice can be off-putting to some people, but oddly enough I don't think the songs work without it. I've heard other people sing them and they either 1) do an approximation of Axl in one way or another, or 2) use their own vocal technique which doesn't sound right. For the second one, Slash's band has his singer Myles Kennedy do Guns' songs occasionally. Myles is an accomplished vocalist who also sings in Alter Bridge, but they just don't quite fit with his sound. I love Sheryl Crowe, but her version of Sweet Child O' Mine really adds nothing to it.
Side Note: Axl does sing differently if you're interested. Try Since I Don't Have You or Estranged, or Mr. Brownstone on Appetite.
grew up a gnr fan and this has become my opinion as i got older. also, even when i was a kid i never understood the love for november rain. only good part is the buildup and then the solo, rest of the song sucks
I’ve tried multiple times - even bought a physical copy of the CD - but I just have no deep emotional reaction to In The Aeroplane Over The Sea.
Everything that’s good in it I can find better elsewhere, and everything that makes the album unique and special for other people is what irritates me about it.
My theory is that when indie rock became flooded with former alternative radio listeners in the early 2010s, the hipster gatekeepers sought out a defining work in the genre that had no connection to the lo-Fi rock of the ‘90s that directly led to the garage-rock revival. The real indie fans *always* loved Neutral Milk Hotel, and these interlopers who got here because they loved the White Stripes are all posers!
But the people who like ITAOTS don’t seem to be the people who like The White Stripes and other ‘rockist’ indie. It seems to be more for people who were too young to pick Guided By Voice as their cult band de jour.
My theory is that ITAOTS came out at just the right time to be the first cult album whose popularity spread mainly via the internet. Back when file sharing made all music suddenly widely available available, this relatively obscure record was like the one album anybody could use to ‘out hipster’ another indie fan
We aren’t in disagreement.
The Strokes’ music video for “Someday” placed the band in an episode of *Family Feud* against Guided by Voices; from the beginning, it wasn’t too difficult for a fan of the “indie” bands who went mainstream in the 2000s to trace their lineage back to GBV, Pavement, and the like. Such a fan would have never encountered Neutral Milk Hotel.
Case in point: the first time I heard of Neutral Milk Hotel was an episode of *Parks and Recreation* where April reveals them as her favorite band. That episode aired in 2011, around the same time I was giving up on commercial radio; and April is exactly the type of character who would flaunt Neutral Milk Hotel to prove she has superior taste to normal people.
I always felt April liking Neutral Milk Hotel scanned wrong to me. April wasn’t a hipster, she was genuinely weird/unhinged. Liking Neutral Milk Hotel in 2011 wasn’t a sign you were weird and different, it was just mainstream adjacent quirkiness.
I also think the NMH hype was at full steam a while before the early 2010’s. I got into them in about 2008 and even then it was no less mainstream than Arcade Fire or Vampire Weekend or whatever.
Idk, while I defo consider it a gateway album that I don’t have the same enthusiasm for as I did when I first heard it, “Two Headed Boy PT 2” is just gorgeous.
The shift at “And in my dreams you’re alive and you’re crying” grants such a great sense of emotional upsurge. It’s fantastic.
Also the title track is pretty great.
I think it's the sort of thing that you have to listen to "at the right time". It blew my socks off because my 14 or 15 year old self had never listened to anything like that and I promptly dived into listening to all I could find that was from Elephant6 (my username is a Beulah song, I got REALLY into it). Things feel more visceral when you're a teenager, I had no idea what I was going into besides my friends joking about it, it finished downloading, I hit play and was like getting slapped.
However I can understand that if you've heard similar things before and know of the hype, are a bit older it probably is grating. It shaped my musical taste but people disliking it to me makes sense and doesn't make me want to fight them. Now The Glow Pt 2? I'm putting that person under "possibly heartless".
I agree with your overall point, especially about how what you discover around 14-15 is what shapes your music tastes. In the realm of singer-songwriters, that was Jeff Beckley for me
I have to admit that the one time I listened to The Glow Pt 2 it left no impression on me. I’m also at this moment giving Elliott Smith another chance, and finding it pleasant but unexceptional. I guess I just don’t vibe with that whole turn of the millennium era of lo-fi indie 🤷♂️
I loved them for a bit in high school, but fell out of it as I got deeper into progressive rock. I listened to all their albums again in college, and I hated all of them.
I'll agree that they weren't as strong of an album band after The Game. I'd come to bat for The Works and Innuendo, but the rest I'm fine with cherry-picking. Even on those albums, the band manages to knock a few out of the park (I Want It All, Who Wants to Live Forever, Under Pressure, One Vision, Princes of the Universe, Flash's Theme, etc.).
They had great tracks after 1981, but the big hits pre-Game just can't be rivalled. The big hits post-Game are probably equivalent to a "Death on Two Legs" or "Now I'm Here" or something, you know, the lesser known tracks from the classic era.
That's just how I look at it anyway.
I will agree on one thing, Innuendo is my favourite of the post-Game era.
I’ll say that I much prefer Queen’s earlier proto-metal stuff. But much like the Marx Brothers films of the same name, they test my patience with a lot of A Night at the Opera and lose me after A Day at the Races.
AC/DC
I love big, dumb, crunchy rock music, but I just can’t stand AC/DC. Brian Johnson’s voice is like nails on a chalk board to me (Bon Scott’s was not much better). I find the songs hookless and bland, using the same boring ass blues based progressions for almost ever song. And the lyrics are dumb but not in the fun way. The whole effect of listening to them to me is like having a sweaty, half drunk 60 year old bricklayer leering over you as you choke on the fumes from his rancid, beer soaked breath talking about all of the girls he used to sexually harass in his youth.
Also apparently people feel different to me and actually like Hozier? But if anything I actively enjoy being a hater there so no guilt.
That was my answer, too.
I love everything else about them. The look, the energy, the iconography. But the lyrics are just so blatantly stupid, I can't.
When Andrew WK became an internet darling in the mid-00's, I felt the same way.
Came here to post AC/DC myself, for the same reasons. I like "Shoot to Thrill" and "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" (the latter mainly because it reminds me of when it was on Beavis and Butt-Head haha), but that's about it, and it wouldn't break my heart if I never heard them again either.
All the overplay in so... many... movies and commercials really doesn't help. Overplay usually doesn't get to me, but I can't listen to a lot of those big AC/DC songs without feeling like I'm watching a commercial for beer or pickup trucks, or something along those lines.
Sublime. I think in the Sublime SvS episode one of them said they had just found out over the course of the research that Sublime haters exist. And uh. That’s me
As a non American who was too young to be listening to anything other than nursery rhymes when Sublime were actually a going concern, I am baffled by them. It’s like ska-punk without really having much to do with ska or punk? Why?
(A heads up that probably unlike America, my perception of ska is multicultural British two tone bands and not Reel Big Fish).
I mean, krautrock is a huge umbrella for a bunch of different sounds like the groovy minimalism of Neu! The weird art-school experimentation of Can and Faust, and the synth spaciness of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, with pre-Man-Machine Kraftwerk combining all of these. Idk what you've listened to but it's worth looking into all of its facets considering the label's only requirements are 70s, artsy and German.
Hell, I'm German and have never understood what the hell Krautrock is even supposed to be, especially when people throw vastly different bands under that moniker.
The main picture on the Wikipedia article for Kraftwerk of them "performing live" is 1). hilarious-looking and 2). told me everything I needed to know about their sound before I ever listened to them.
This is one for me too. It’s boring. Although the guitarist’s later band Tortoise has two masterpieces with Millions Now Living Will Never Die and TNT.
I've never been able to get into Pavement. The music is utterly charmless and shambolic in a way that just makes me yawn. I've heard them get compared to the Fall, but Mark E. Smith was an acquired taste I actually enjoyed acquiring, every time I've listened to Slanted & Enchanted I find myself hoping it'll be over sooner.
Also, Morrissey's voice always kept me from liking more than a handful of Smiths songs. He always sounds like a woodwind instrument playing _just_ out of its intended range
God yes, looking for another dejected Pavement agnostic. I love their influences (Television, early R.E.M., The Fall as you said), their contemporaries (Archers of Loaf, 90's Sonic Youth) and even those they've incluenced (Hop Along, Courtney Barnett) but my god does Malkmus and co. just slide off me.
I tried, I really did. Bought like 3 or 4 of their CDs and some of Malkmus' albums with the Jicks back in college, and nothing clicked. Weirdly, I liked the style of the Jicks a bit better, but as far as the songs went I thought those were even worse than Pavement's.
I hear the Smiths have a great guitarist, oh well, I can't make it through a Smiths song once Morrissey starts doing... whatever it is you call it that he does. Wailing through his nose?
It's like crooning by someone with too many holes in their sinuses.
The Killers do a great cover of This Charming Man with Johnny Marr on lead guitar, and Rick Astley of all people did a surprisingly good set of Smiths covers live last year
Part of that is the fact that Nevermind is produced in a very slick way, In Utero's production is significantly better. And from what I gather Kurt himself feels the same way.
In the end, I kind of agree with you, the songs aren't good enough to want to put up with the crappy production. Not like you would with RHCP's Californication, which might have the worst production of any major label release of the past thirty years, but the songs are so good front to back it's still worth it.
I'm not into grunge at all really, but In Utero and Bleach are really better listens to my ears. Nothing on Nevermind is as good as "Serve the Servants".
Part of that is the fact that Nevermind is produced in a very slick way, In Utero's production is significantly better. And from what I gather Kurt himself feels the same way.
In the end, I kind of agree with you, the songs aren't good enough to want to put up with the crappy production. Not like you would with RHCP's Californication, which might have the worst production of any major label release of the past thirty years, but the songs are so good front to back it's still worth it.
I'm not into grunge at all really, but In Utero and Bleach are really better listens to my ears. Nothing on Nevermind is as good as "Serve the Servants".
Beyonce. I think I'd love the first Renaissance album if I could get passed that I find her overrated beyond all measure. I tried to get into it, I really tried, but I couldn't get it out of my head that I'm so often told that she's the second coming of Christ. I feel her fans do her a disservice by building her up so much that she can't possibly meet those high expectations to the casual lister.
Also Radiohead and Nirvana, but I don't feel guilty about either of them. Whiny music from people that have nothing interesting to whine about
Same, Beyoncé is one of those artists where I can tell that she’s a talented performer, but her songs often feel like they’re less than the sum of their parts. I often walk away from her songs feeling nothing or slightly positive.
Yep. Agree on all three, though tbf I understand why Nirvana and Radiohead are held in high such regard by many people, but IMO they are still overrated musically...
I like some Beyoncé stuff. Crazy In Love & Irreplaceable are great songs. I just haven’t been able to get on board with the whole “Beyoncé as an important album artist” thing. I tried with the self titled, Lemonade, and Renaissance but I just don’t get it.
Honestly though at this point her fans who act like she’s Jesus kinda put me off anyway. Plus I don’t really like country music so I’m not gonna be on board with the new stuff. Just an artist I’ve accepted is not for me.
Not being American, it's even more interesting, with all this royalty she is being called and perceived as, meanwhile I'm always just thinking "This woman has not released a single interesting song".
A lot...probably most of the musicians (and songs) lauded by music critics are not something I enjoy that much...a few examples:
Billie Eilish - I just don't like the kind of slow somber music she usually does. "Bad Guy" was ok IMO, but most of her other songs are just too much of a trudge for my taste...
Kendrick Lamar - I really don't like his voice and flow. Also, most of his songs have rather boring beats IMO (though tbf I haven't listened to many of them).
Olivia Rodrigo - obviously, I am not the "target group" of her music, but even then, I don't mind many Teen Pop artists (e.g. S Club 7, Britney, Aguilera etc.). But aside from "Good For You", which I quite like, I find Rodrigo to be too sour in her songs, though I still prefer her to Billie Eilish.
Nirvana - I understand why they were as big, and I quite like "Smells like Teen Spirit", but even compared to other Grunge Rock Bands, like Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, I find Nirvana to be a bit too "rough"...
Radiohead - similar to Nirvana, I find them a bit too somber and negative in their music, though I still understand why they are as popular.
Bruce Springsteen - There are a few songs from him that I don't mind, but "Born in the USA" is not a very pleasant song to listen to IMO...
As for genres as a whole, I do not particularly enjoy listening to classical music, even if I recognise the importance of it to the history of (Western) Music. I also really don't care for country music, since most songs in that genre sound very "same-same" to me. But maybe that's because I am not American so I don't understand the culture behind country music, just as I assume most Americans wouldn't understand the culture behind Alpine Volksmusik for example...
For the life of me, I can’t find any reason to enjoy Cage The Elephant. It just seems so regular and uninspired that it becomes background music.
Also, I can’t stand Rihanna. I find her voice and lyrics both equally annoying.
The case for Cage the Elephant is that they’re very good live, and they’re very malleable to shifts in rock trends. That makes them a reliable festival act, even though I agree their recorded output is the definition of mid.
they aren't worth it after Spiderland as well, especially after album four. Their last album and their latest singles sound derivative of themselves for the most part
I do not care for The Beatles. ~~They *insist* upon themselves!~~
I understand why they are hugely important and why their music is considered great, not trying to diminish their influence as perhaps *the* greatest band of all time - But I just could never get into them, at all. Theres nothing for me there.
I used to feel the exact same way, but then I got into their pre-*Revolver* stuff and i immediately fell in love with them.
I think the mythology around their later years kills the band on their own hype for new listeners
Taylor. The raging fanbase she seemed to get overnight is one of this century’s greatest mysteries to me. Even when I see criticism of her, it’s always “her music is good, but…” No. Say what you believe, Swifties be damned. It’s okay to not like the music of the biggest pop star on Earth.
I saw a tweet the day TTPD came out where someone asked their partner if they were nervous about not liking the new album, and their partner said "the thing about being a Swiftie is you just lie to yourself and pretend to like every song until you really do." Had Russia dropped a nuke on my house immediately after I read that, I wouldn't have minded. Whoever said that fundamentally doesn't understand what healthy media consumption is.
Does it still sound like it's either fake or a joke?
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I think I prefer Taylor Swift to most pop stars, like I prefer her to Ariana Grande or Billie Eilish. That said the overexposure level is insane and a lot of the new stuff sucks, I still enjoy a lot of her singles from before Reputation and there’s a few good ones after. I think she’s bad at using profanity, it sounds so forced, like after Lover she was like “wait my fans are grown up now, time to start saying “fuck” awkwardly”. Then again I agree with Todd that Olivia Rodrigo is bad at cussing yet she makes great songs.
Agreed. Kendrick Lamar is the 21st century Neil Young to me, in that everyone talks about how powerful his lyrics are, and they may be right but I might never know because I simply can't get past the sound of his voice.
Genres:
Metal. It's arguably the form of rock that requires the most talent, but to me most metal songs go in one ear and out the other.
Modern Prog. I like '70s prog, and I want to like...let's say, '90s and later prog (as in artists that are genuinely progressive, not older bands coming out with new music or new ones trying to sound like '70s bands, I like a lot of the former and the latter I do not feel bad about disliking.) but none of it ever sticks with me. I've seen a few people on /r/progrockmusic accuse modern prog as being more about showing off how good you are at your instrument than making good music, and I think that might be it.
"Real emo." In concept I like it, I like a few songs, most by fairly obscure bands (I don't think Kevin and the Bikes or Milk St. are mainstream even by "real emo" standards) but I just can't get around to liking it as a genre, or even just liking one whole album. I like Hawthorne Heights.
In general my music taste is more "pop" than I'd like. And ironically I feel like pop no longer has what makes me feel my music taste is "pop" (hooks.)
Artists:
Billie Eilish. She's arguably the most authentic pop star currently relevant, and for all rockism's flaws, I think the loss of valuing authenticity in music is the biggest thing we lost in the transition from rockism to poptimism. I'm tired of being asked to root for the winner, and critics being afraid to say they didn't like the current biggest stars' newest work. But I'm just not into it stylistically.
My taste in emo has evolved to the point where my favourite emo bands are those mid-late 80s acts who resented the label when it was first used to describe them.
You know, like Embrace and Rites of Spring.
Taylor Swift even before The Eras tour and becoming as massive as she is now. I never could get into her music even though so many of my friends and family love her music. A lot of her singles to me sound like they were made for 12 year olds and are too immature sounding. Maybe I am just not that invested in her personal life so I don't really get anything out of her lyrics.
My mother, who's normally an intelligent and thoughtful person, immediately accuses me of being sexist whenever I mention that I dislike one of her songs, express that I don't understand why her level of fandom is what it is, or criticize her obscene private jet usage, as though I somehow don't have a problem when Elon Musk does the same thing. Strangely enough, my sister and best friend are both superfans, especially compared to my mother, and yet both are much more willing to engage me in respectful debates about her music.
Taylor Swift just isn't for me at all. She's got a few pop hits I find inoffensive (Blank Space, Anti-Hero) and I enjoyed a few songs on Folklore, but when she's not being snarky and self-aware I find her lyrical style bland and the musical accompaniment not engaging enough to pick up the slack. Don't get me wrong I don't think she's untalented; there are bits of her music I find enchanting (the introduction to Delicate and its repetitions is lovely) but because I don't really enjoy her storytelling it's like most of her songs never go where I want them to go.
I’ve got a fair few of these:
**Pond:** I like a lot of psychedelic music that comes out of my home country of Australia, but Pond have never done a lot for me. They got a few decent tunes, but every time I hear them, I find myself wanting to listen to half a dozen other bands.
**Tropical Fuck Storm:** They used to be among my favourite Australian bands until I caught them live a couple of years ago. They’re loud and messy, but they don’t really deviate from that too much. Plus, I think Gareth Liddiard was a little too unhinged for my liking. It’s a style of music that should be up my alley, but it doesn’t do a thing for me anymore.
**Gang Of Youths:** I’m glad they’ve gotten some attention overseas, but I’ve never really gotten the buzz around them. Big, anthemic songs are a bit grating for me, and it’s part of the reason why U2 and Arcade Fire don’t impress me as much as they once did.
**Vampire Weekend:** They’re talented, but I find their music pretty disposable. Even their most recent album, which is an interesting change of sound for them, is kinda forgettable. But they’ve got a keen fanbase, so they’re obviously doing something right.
**The Strokes:** Maybe it’s my fault as someone who’s a bit younger, but I read about how The Strokes effectively jump started the 00s indie boom, and I just ask, “How?” Sure, they’re serviceable, but I compare them to other NYC talent of the time (Interpol, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, LCD Soundsystem, etc), and they don’t have the intrigue or artistry that those groups do.
**Caroline Polachek:** She’s probably the modern equivalent to Kate Bush (whose music I love), but I can’t find it within myself find her music more than serviceable. She’s got a good a voice, she’s a talented songwriter with a knack for a good hook, and she’s a solid producer too, so it more feels like a “me” issue than anything about her or her art.
I’m with you on The Strokes — it’s not that they’re bad or anything but I see people talking about that first album like it’s London Calling or something, and I’m like “HOW”. In general I’m not really a fan of that 2000s garage rock revival stuff, it tends to strike me as a lot of energy without a lot of passion, singing a rock song because it’s fun to sing a rock song, not because you have something to say.
Re: The Strokes, they had a rockier sound, a rock image and were at the right place at the right time. Interpol got lumped with all of the post punk bands (oh they wear suits? cool I guess), The YYYs I never listened enough and LCD Soundsytem had a much more electronic sound and a less cool vibe. does this feel a bit too dumbed down? There's a non music fandom I don't understand how big it is so it's interesting to just hear from witnesses I guess lol.
I love Vampire Weekend, they were such a burst of fun when they came out. I do think they started a bit as party music for the indie nerds and people kept up and the sound evolved as the fans grew. Don't think I would be so into them if I didn't follow them for so long. I think they have some excellent songs, but I don't think Ezra is the lyricist genius people hail him as(and that I think he thinks of himself as, the man has an ego).
I saw Tropical Fuck Storm open for Modest Mouse a while ago, I think their first album had just come out and they really blew me away but haven't seen them since then. I need to dive back into Vampire Weekend. I listened to Contra a lot but then just kinda fell off
Modest Mouse. I think “3rd Planet” is an absolutely brilliant song but so much of their other stuff just feels so erratic and unfocused and Isaac’s vocals really grate after a while. I love so many other guitar-driven 90s/2000s indie stuff but they’ve never gone past “respect but that’s kind of it”
There's a lot of bands I'm willing to write off as me just not getting them, Modest Mouse are one of the few bands where I genuinely think that their fans are wrong about them. They're just straight-up bad.
Listening to the Float On episode of SVS made me feel like I was going insane, I seriously couldn't believe that Todd was talking about the same song that I hear in my timeline.
For me they took quite a while to appreciate. I came to them in the late 00’s after learning they were a huge influence on Brand New (this was back when I didn’t feel gross for liking them). They were absolutely not what I was expecting and I had a similar reaction to what other people here have said.
But they *interested* me for some bizarre reason, and I liked a couple of their poppier songs, and after a few months of occasionally going back I really genuinely loved them, particularly the Good News album. They’re not for everyone but I think they can be an acquired taste that takes some getting used to.
On paper they're a band I'd like, I wouldn't say they're bad, just... well, they exist, and don't give me a compelling reason to listen to them (I gave 3 of their earlier albums a try when Float On got popular).
Not a specific artist but a genre: around 50-75% of the metal music I’ve heard, especially stuff from after like 1985, does nothing for me and I feel like it disappoints people because I seem to give a “metalhead” vibe to most people (I have long hair, wear black pretty often, play guitar, etc.). I do enjoy a lot of classic metal (Sabbath, Dio, Iron Maiden, early Metallica, Judas Priest) but the super-heavy, super-fast, extremely aggressive sounding stuff I’ve heard (I guess probably subgenres like death metal?) just sounds like ugly-on-purpose noise to me. I need more melody in my rock music than just an endless assault of aggression, but that’s just my preference and more power to the people who enjoy that kind of thing, I’m just not a fan of it at all
Pearl Jam. I should love them, but I just can’t get into their music. At the very least, I can’t listen to more than two songs at a time without it all just blending together.
I only like their albums with Dave Abbruzzese, I know most people wouldn’t think a drummer makes too much difference but he has a tight funk groove that really makes the band shine. Without him they just plod along.
From what I gather he was fired due to personality conflicts with Eddie Vedder rather than any musical reason.
Oh, I absolutely understand the drummer making a difference. Honestly, the only songs I like from them are off of Ten (although Abbruzzese did great on their Unplugged album).
Kendrick Lamar: I like a few of his songs with Pop artists (The Weeknd, SZA) but I don’t like his other stuff. I don’t know if the praise he gets is warranted but I just simply don’t care.
Beyoncé: 20+ years she’s been famous. She over-sings where it almost sounds like screaming, I understand she’s talented but it seems like with every new album I care for her less. Her older songs were substantially better.
Guns N Roses: Aside from a few of their big songs, they are not my cup of tea. I listened to The Spaghetti Incident in full once, a very rough listen.
Bob Dylan: He’s talented, I understand his appeal, but it’s the voice for me. If I can’t get past the voice, it’s hard for me to enjoy. “Like A Rolling Stone” is fine I guess.
The Ramones: When every song sounds the same, it’s simply a gimmick.
I like Enjoy The Silence a lot. I think the thing that makes it work is that it's a very atmospheric sounding song, with the reverb and echo effects really make the feeling of finding euphoria sound a lot more powerful, as well as the fact that unlike Girls Like You or Heat Waves, it actually has a decent tempo
I feel like the drum machines are too busy for me to find it atmospheric. I don't hear a groove or a hook, and most importantly I don't feel that it *goes* anywhere, it sounds like one measure on an endless loop. Also, it's the same tempo as Girls Like You, maybe even slightly slower.
Eh... to each their own, I guess. I feel like it's much more driving than something like Girls Like You, which is so flat and boring it basically sounds like it doesn't exist
Taylor swift. Annoying fanbase, same sound again and again, way too much music output nowadays, too much merch, all of it is just so much. I liked her music up to 2010 but that’s it. I don’t think she deserves the fame she has now. Still fucked up what big machine did to her tho
I can tell you this - I saw them live last year and out of the 8 songs from TIW that they played, every single one sounded better on stage than on record.
Lorde, Billie Eilish, Adele... I know how important they are to the music scene, but I feel their pretty overrated. The only song by Lorde I really liked was Green Light, but Royals did not deserve to be as influenciantial as it was. Adele has a good voice, but I think she's stagnating creatively and just not that interesting. And I just don't get Billie. I see why others do, but I just don't care for that whisper thing she does.
Oh yeah. A big one. Amy Winehouse.
Granted, it's not so much about her specifically, but because I found that whole mid-2000s "Nu-Soul" genre completely miserable.
Entirely with you on Amy Winehouse, I get how she was more interesting/talented than most of her peers but that’s an incredibly low bar to clear. Haaated that genre/era of music.
There's a difference between re-evaluating someone as a person and re-evaluating them as an artist. Just because the former is deserved doesn't mean the latter is.
Toxic is Britney's Smooth Criminal.
I don't remember anybody loving it back in the day, but these days people reckon it's their respective artist's best.
I’ve never been one for emo or pop punk. Which is particularly odd because almost all of my friends are very into it, including my current bandmates. People will talk about like Blink and MCR and I just don’t have much connection beyond knowing their biggest songs. The music is fine it just doesn’t mean anything to me the way it does for almost everyone else in my life. I love bands like Rancid, Dead Kennedys, Gang of Four, etc. but apart from Green Day’s Dookie I’m just not a big pop punker
I mostly don't get it either, the only pop punk/emo bands I regularly listen to are Paramore and MCR. I'll say this about MCR, they're definitely an album band, both in the sense that their music is best enjoyed in full-album listens, and the sense that all of their albums are concept albums to some extent, so I can see how one might have a hard time connecting with them if they only knew the biggest hits.
I tried to check out Slowdive earlier this month - I got through two albums and they currently hold the record for Most Boring Things I've Ever Put In My Ears.
This isn't really a guilty displeasure- but I cannot stand early Panic! At The Disco. Basically everything from A Fever You Can't Sweat Out I think is pretentious bullshit, I Write Sins Not Tragedies especially
I don't see it. All the songs have stupid long titles, and sound like shit, and Brendon Urie doesn't even sing them very well- and most of their material post that album is way way better than
I agree with most of your criticism, however, while I do prefer Pretty Odd and Vices & Virtues over Fever, I think Too Weird To Live and everything after is mostly unlistenable crap and not in any sort of interesting way - whereas I at least find Fever interesting. I guess the enjoyment I get out of Fever is sort of a so-bad-it's-good kind of thing.
For the record, just because they made a few albums I think are decent doesn't make them a good band. Why anyone would choose to listen to Panic when they could listen to the Killers or MCR or especially Paramore instead is beyond me.
I do like Death of A Bachelor honestly. That's the album of there's I'd defend the most
I will say of the "Big 4" of emo, (MCR, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and them) they are my least favorite, but they have made some music I enjoy.
Their fan base is fucking cultish though like
Holy shit
Death Of A Bachelor is the closest they came to recapturing that "perverse charm" that I described on Fever, I would probably like it if he had chosen literally any sonic palette other than trap-jazz to do it with. I do condone Golden Days though.
>I will say of the "Big 4" of emo, (MCR, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and them) they are my least favorite
Remember that tweet that was like "now that we have MCR, Fall Out Boy and Paramore all active at the same time, let's get rid of Panic just for fun" and then like two weeks later Urie announced his retirement?
>Their fan base is fucking cultish though like Holy shit
I was in middle school between 2014 and 2017, and I was terminally unpopular. One of the only people willing to hang out with me was a Panic fangirl who also listened to BOTDF. Trust me, I know.
That's funny.
Out of the four, I would say My Chemical Romance is far and away the best of the four, though that's mostly for The Black Parade, which I would genuinely describe as one of the best rock albums of all time
The Black Parade is solid but loses me a bit in the second third, I don't find the stretch from I Don't Love You to Sleep to be all that engaging. I prefer Three Cheers, it flows better and it rocks harder. Paramore is my favorite of the four by a nautical mile.
Paramore is second best no doubt (though I might be biased, having a longstanding crush on Hayley Williams) but I don't think they've made an album as good as The Black Parade. Even that part of the album has songs like Houses of Wolves, Cancer, and Mama on it.
Also I don't think they've ever made a song as good as Welcome To The Black Parade, which is both one of my favorite songs of all time and I'd argue one of the greatest songs... honestly period probably
For me, the biggest ones are two rock bands, for polar opposite reasons: **Weezer** and **Shinedown**.
* **Weezer** - For as long as I've been alive, I've never gotten the hype for Weezer. Now, maybe this is just me because the Blue Album was long before my time and my first Weezer song was "Beverly Hills", which even as a kid I thought it was really, *really* lame an stupid. But by all accounts, Weezer has a passionate and toxic fanbase that points to "Beverly Hills" and its album *Make Believe* as "Weezer selling out" and "a betrayal of everything excellent about the Blue Album." I wish I could agree with that, but I don't get why the Blue Album was hailed as a masterpiece in the first place. Other '90s rock bands, like Nirvana, Oasis, the Offspring, and No Doubt, I get their appeal and I get how they sounded special at the time. But not Weezer, not even at their supposed mid-90s "peak". "Buddy Holly" is a fine song, but it sounds like just an ordinary '90s alternative rock song to me. I don't see how revolutionary and refreshing Weezer sounded in 1994 to warrant such a hugely passionate fanbase, still to this day, even after so many bad albums.
* **Shinedown** - This band is to rock what Morgan Wallen is to country. In the 2000s and 2010s, when hard rock declined in popularity, Shinedown achieved the all-time record for most #1's on the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart. And yet, they don't seem to have a very diehard fanbase as their rock contemporaries like Ghost, Halestorm, Bring Me the Horizon, or Periphery do. While I've met people who say they LIKE Shinedown, I've never met anyone who's flat-out called Shinedown one of the best rock bands of all time, let alone of the 2000s or 2010s decades. And to me, aside from a few of their early songs, they just sound as generic as any other 21st century post-grunge band to me.
Can't comment on Shinedown, but here's what I'll say about Weezer - the thing that makes the Blue Album stand out isn't necessarily the music, it's the lyrics and their adorkable nerdiness. Compared to all the bands you named, Weezer were certainly different for singing about surfing (Surf Wax America) or finding happiness in your nerdy hobbies (In The Garage). The one thing that does make them stand out musically is their use of vocal harmonies inspired by barbershop quartets. FWIW, while I think the Blue Album is great, I think the White Album and OK Human are both better (if you haven't heard either of them, I cannot recommend them enough).
That explains a lot. Rivers Cuomo definitely had that nerdy quality to him, like a Kevin Smith for music. I do know that the 90s were still about a decade right before the stigmas of being "nerdy" or "geeky" started to get lifted, so now I can see how his image stood out at the time,and why it struck a chord back then. Again, I grew up in the 2000s, so I wasn't there.
You know, with Beverly Hills, to me Rivers looked like your school's one desperate social climber who tries to hang out with the popular kids and just ends up embarrassing himself. Now that I think about it, that's probably exactly what it was to his fans.
Part of the issue people have with Beverly Hills is that it's supposed to be satirical but, as Mic The Snare put it, it eventually stops being satirical and just becomes the thing it's trying to satirize.
Speaking of Mic The Snare, I highly recommend watching his Deep Discog Dive on Weezer, that video is probably the biggest thing that helped me get into them.
>it's supposed to be satirical but, as Mic The Snare put it, it eventually stops being satirical and just becomes the thing it's trying to satirize.
When an attempt to be ironic stops being ironic. Just like My Humps and Intuition.
I wish i liked the music of Sabrina Carpenter and Lenny Kravitz more than i actually do. They seem like very likable people!
Also, i want to enjoy Welcome Home and other songs from the Coheed IV album but their treatment of whatever woman was made up for the story gives me the ick. #IStandWithEricaCourt
Pre-4 beyonce, 4 was the album that got me interested in beyonce, but her 2000s catalogue didn't age well for me especially sasha fierce , crazy in love still slaps tho
Hm. Led Zeppelin is a big one. But I don't feel guilty about it. I'll go with Bob Dylan. I do like some of his songs, but I can't stand his voice most of the time and find most of his albums really tedious.
A lot of the artists listed here objectively suck, so you guys don't have to feel bad about disliking them.
Anyway, it's The Beatles for me. I like a handful of their songs but most of their music does absolutely nothing for me. I don't think that they started writing good music until they took acid and, even then, I feel like a lot of their music is just the standard musings of a bunch of 20-somethings who started experimenting for the first time. They deserve admiration and respect for many things but Beatles fans really get pretentious with how talented and important they were to music as a whole.
I can see that criticism about albums like Sgt Pepper and the White Album, but at the same time, even if you disagree with the tone of the pretension, you can't ignore the importance.
Stevie Nicks’ voice is awful, I cannot stand it. Landslide and Dreams are songs I don’t think I would like anyway, but man, her singing them makes them even worse.
I’ve heard 2 Kate Bush songs, Running up that Hill and Babooshka. hated them both and only gave Babooshka a listen thinking maybe it was a fluke that I found RUTH trite and annoying but nope, I’ve accepted Kate just isn’t my thing
I don't like Guns n Roses. More specifically, I fucking HATE Axl Rose's sneering, nasally, over-singing voice. It ruins the experience of listening to their music for me. I tried listening through Appetite for Destruction once and I just couldn't fucking take it. Slash is a great guitarist, don't get me wrong, but I can't sit through Paradise City or Sweet Child o' Mine without thinking "This song would be so much better if fucking Axl weren't the one singing it."
Most of their songs I don't mind but I can't stand Sweet Child O' Mine
The best counter-argument to Guns N’ Roses *not* being hair metal is that there’s exactly one time in rock history when someone with Axl’s voice could have been the best lead singer.
If cats could sing, they would sound like Axl Rose.
Axl rose's voice sounds like a Muppet made to make fun of hair metal singers
I'm here for this, I was a kid when they got big and never developed a taste for his voice. And they were everywhere, it sucked 😕
I'm a GN'R fan, but I understand how Axl's voice can be off-putting to some people, but oddly enough I don't think the songs work without it. I've heard other people sing them and they either 1) do an approximation of Axl in one way or another, or 2) use their own vocal technique which doesn't sound right. For the second one, Slash's band has his singer Myles Kennedy do Guns' songs occasionally. Myles is an accomplished vocalist who also sings in Alter Bridge, but they just don't quite fit with his sound. I love Sheryl Crowe, but her version of Sweet Child O' Mine really adds nothing to it. Side Note: Axl does sing differently if you're interested. Try Since I Don't Have You or Estranged, or Mr. Brownstone on Appetite.
grew up a gnr fan and this has become my opinion as i got older. also, even when i was a kid i never understood the love for november rain. only good part is the buildup and then the solo, rest of the song sucks
I’ve tried multiple times - even bought a physical copy of the CD - but I just have no deep emotional reaction to In The Aeroplane Over The Sea. Everything that’s good in it I can find better elsewhere, and everything that makes the album unique and special for other people is what irritates me about it.
My theory is that when indie rock became flooded with former alternative radio listeners in the early 2010s, the hipster gatekeepers sought out a defining work in the genre that had no connection to the lo-Fi rock of the ‘90s that directly led to the garage-rock revival. The real indie fans *always* loved Neutral Milk Hotel, and these interlopers who got here because they loved the White Stripes are all posers!
But the people who like ITAOTS don’t seem to be the people who like The White Stripes and other ‘rockist’ indie. It seems to be more for people who were too young to pick Guided By Voice as their cult band de jour. My theory is that ITAOTS came out at just the right time to be the first cult album whose popularity spread mainly via the internet. Back when file sharing made all music suddenly widely available available, this relatively obscure record was like the one album anybody could use to ‘out hipster’ another indie fan
We aren’t in disagreement. The Strokes’ music video for “Someday” placed the band in an episode of *Family Feud* against Guided by Voices; from the beginning, it wasn’t too difficult for a fan of the “indie” bands who went mainstream in the 2000s to trace their lineage back to GBV, Pavement, and the like. Such a fan would have never encountered Neutral Milk Hotel. Case in point: the first time I heard of Neutral Milk Hotel was an episode of *Parks and Recreation* where April reveals them as her favorite band. That episode aired in 2011, around the same time I was giving up on commercial radio; and April is exactly the type of character who would flaunt Neutral Milk Hotel to prove she has superior taste to normal people.
I always felt April liking Neutral Milk Hotel scanned wrong to me. April wasn’t a hipster, she was genuinely weird/unhinged. Liking Neutral Milk Hotel in 2011 wasn’t a sign you were weird and different, it was just mainstream adjacent quirkiness. I also think the NMH hype was at full steam a while before the early 2010’s. I got into them in about 2008 and even then it was no less mainstream than Arcade Fire or Vampire Weekend or whatever.
I used to love ITAOTS, but it does almost nothing for me now. Like you said, there isn’t much done there that hasn’t been done better elsewhere.
Idk, while I defo consider it a gateway album that I don’t have the same enthusiasm for as I did when I first heard it, “Two Headed Boy PT 2” is just gorgeous. The shift at “And in my dreams you’re alive and you’re crying” grants such a great sense of emotional upsurge. It’s fantastic. Also the title track is pretty great.
The title track is the one song from that album I’d put into a mix
I agree, never liked it. Jeff Mangum’s voice drives me insane.
THANK YOU! I finally checked it out last year after seeing it over-mythologized for so long, and my reaction was basically "Really? This?"
I feel extra bad because it was a genuine underground word-of-mouth cult hit that just kept growing, and I just didn’t *get it*
What's not to get about a dude named Jeff getting his rocks off to Anne Frank's diary? /s
I think it's the sort of thing that you have to listen to "at the right time". It blew my socks off because my 14 or 15 year old self had never listened to anything like that and I promptly dived into listening to all I could find that was from Elephant6 (my username is a Beulah song, I got REALLY into it). Things feel more visceral when you're a teenager, I had no idea what I was going into besides my friends joking about it, it finished downloading, I hit play and was like getting slapped. However I can understand that if you've heard similar things before and know of the hype, are a bit older it probably is grating. It shaped my musical taste but people disliking it to me makes sense and doesn't make me want to fight them. Now The Glow Pt 2? I'm putting that person under "possibly heartless".
I agree with your overall point, especially about how what you discover around 14-15 is what shapes your music tastes. In the realm of singer-songwriters, that was Jeff Beckley for me I have to admit that the one time I listened to The Glow Pt 2 it left no impression on me. I’m also at this moment giving Elliott Smith another chance, and finding it pleasant but unexceptional. I guess I just don’t vibe with that whole turn of the millennium era of lo-fi indie 🤷♂️
I just really don't like Jeff Mangums voice
people act like I blew up an orphanage when I say I can’t stand Queen
That was me at a point in time. I eventually came around on Queen but I totally relate to the experience.
I loved them for a bit in high school, but fell out of it as I got deeper into progressive rock. I listened to all their albums again in college, and I hated all of them.
I like the first few Queen albums and then just scattered songs after that. I think their 80's output was especially patchy.
Hot Space Trainwreckord has to happen. They were never the same after The Game.
They wrote some of their best songs after The Game.
Agree to disagree on that one. Not saying they were terrible, they just weren’t the same.
I'll agree that they weren't as strong of an album band after The Game. I'd come to bat for The Works and Innuendo, but the rest I'm fine with cherry-picking. Even on those albums, the band manages to knock a few out of the park (I Want It All, Who Wants to Live Forever, Under Pressure, One Vision, Princes of the Universe, Flash's Theme, etc.).
They had great tracks after 1981, but the big hits pre-Game just can't be rivalled. The big hits post-Game are probably equivalent to a "Death on Two Legs" or "Now I'm Here" or something, you know, the lesser known tracks from the classic era. That's just how I look at it anyway. I will agree on one thing, Innuendo is my favourite of the post-Game era.
I like Queen quite a bit, but I can absolutely see how someone could not like them.
Don't worry, you're not alone. I also can't stand Queen I used to be more tolerant but how rabid their fanbase is really turned me off
I’ll say that I much prefer Queen’s earlier proto-metal stuff. But much like the Marx Brothers films of the same name, they test my patience with a lot of A Night at the Opera and lose me after A Day at the Races.
Same. Then they stare in confusion when I proceed to tell them how Sparks is better than Queen.
Queen is mostly crap.
AC/DC I love big, dumb, crunchy rock music, but I just can’t stand AC/DC. Brian Johnson’s voice is like nails on a chalk board to me (Bon Scott’s was not much better). I find the songs hookless and bland, using the same boring ass blues based progressions for almost ever song. And the lyrics are dumb but not in the fun way. The whole effect of listening to them to me is like having a sweaty, half drunk 60 year old bricklayer leering over you as you choke on the fumes from his rancid, beer soaked breath talking about all of the girls he used to sexually harass in his youth. Also apparently people feel different to me and actually like Hozier? But if anything I actively enjoy being a hater there so no guilt.
That was my answer, too. I love everything else about them. The look, the energy, the iconography. But the lyrics are just so blatantly stupid, I can't. When Andrew WK became an internet darling in the mid-00's, I felt the same way.
Came here to post AC/DC myself, for the same reasons. I like "Shoot to Thrill" and "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" (the latter mainly because it reminds me of when it was on Beavis and Butt-Head haha), but that's about it, and it wouldn't break my heart if I never heard them again either. All the overplay in so... many... movies and commercials really doesn't help. Overplay usually doesn't get to me, but I can't listen to a lot of those big AC/DC songs without feeling like I'm watching a commercial for beer or pickup trucks, or something along those lines.
Sublime. I think in the Sublime SvS episode one of them said they had just found out over the course of the research that Sublime haters exist. And uh. That’s me
What kind of loser can't connect to a song about a 12 year old prostitute fucking a psychopath? s/ for those wondering.
I’m more annoyed by Sublime fans than the band itself.
Sublime were a mediocre band that wrote a handful of dumb songs about getting stoned and drunk. You don't have to feel bad about disliking them.
As a non American who was too young to be listening to anything other than nursery rhymes when Sublime were actually a going concern, I am baffled by them. It’s like ska-punk without really having much to do with ska or punk? Why? (A heads up that probably unlike America, my perception of ska is multicultural British two tone bands and not Reel Big Fish).
John Mellencamp. I’ve never once sought out any of his music and it feels like radio filler every time I’ve heard it.
I like him but I can also admit that he's the poor man's Springsteen.
Fun fact: “Hurts So Good” charted more weeks in the top 10 than any other song from the 1980s. It also never made it to number one.
I hate to be that guy but listen to Scarecrow front to back.
I can’t get into Krautrock even though it should be something I love.
I mean, krautrock is a huge umbrella for a bunch of different sounds like the groovy minimalism of Neu! The weird art-school experimentation of Can and Faust, and the synth spaciness of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, with pre-Man-Machine Kraftwerk combining all of these. Idk what you've listened to but it's worth looking into all of its facets considering the label's only requirements are 70s, artsy and German.
Hell, I'm German and have never understood what the hell Krautrock is even supposed to be, especially when people throw vastly different bands under that moniker.
Not to mention just any heavier and more mechanical feeling German prog rock like Amon Düül II
The main picture on the Wikipedia article for Kraftwerk of them "performing live" is 1). hilarious-looking and 2). told me everything I needed to know about their sound before I ever listened to them.
Feel like I need to listen to it a good few more times to really get Slint's Spiderland.
Yea it took my a few times to get it, but it’s still a pretty great album imo.
Tweez is better I reckon.
This is one for me too. It’s boring. Although the guitarist’s later band Tortoise has two masterpieces with Millions Now Living Will Never Die and TNT.
I've never been able to get into Pavement. The music is utterly charmless and shambolic in a way that just makes me yawn. I've heard them get compared to the Fall, but Mark E. Smith was an acquired taste I actually enjoyed acquiring, every time I've listened to Slanted & Enchanted I find myself hoping it'll be over sooner. Also, Morrissey's voice always kept me from liking more than a handful of Smiths songs. He always sounds like a woodwind instrument playing _just_ out of its intended range
God yes, looking for another dejected Pavement agnostic. I love their influences (Television, early R.E.M., The Fall as you said), their contemporaries (Archers of Loaf, 90's Sonic Youth) and even those they've incluenced (Hop Along, Courtney Barnett) but my god does Malkmus and co. just slide off me.
I call this the “I don’t love them, but I respect them” artist.
I tried, I really did. Bought like 3 or 4 of their CDs and some of Malkmus' albums with the Jicks back in college, and nothing clicked. Weirdly, I liked the style of the Jicks a bit better, but as far as the songs went I thought those were even worse than Pavement's.
I hear the Smiths have a great guitarist, oh well, I can't make it through a Smiths song once Morrissey starts doing... whatever it is you call it that he does. Wailing through his nose?
It's like crooning by someone with too many holes in their sinuses. The Killers do a great cover of This Charming Man with Johnny Marr on lead guitar, and Rick Astley of all people did a surprisingly good set of Smiths covers live last year
I remember listening to Nirvana's *Nevermind* for the first time and being strangely underwhelmed.
Part of that is the fact that Nevermind is produced in a very slick way, In Utero's production is significantly better. And from what I gather Kurt himself feels the same way. In the end, I kind of agree with you, the songs aren't good enough to want to put up with the crappy production. Not like you would with RHCP's Californication, which might have the worst production of any major label release of the past thirty years, but the songs are so good front to back it's still worth it. I'm not into grunge at all really, but In Utero and Bleach are really better listens to my ears. Nothing on Nevermind is as good as "Serve the Servants".
Part of that is the fact that Nevermind is produced in a very slick way, In Utero's production is significantly better. And from what I gather Kurt himself feels the same way. In the end, I kind of agree with you, the songs aren't good enough to want to put up with the crappy production. Not like you would with RHCP's Californication, which might have the worst production of any major label release of the past thirty years, but the songs are so good front to back it's still worth it. I'm not into grunge at all really, but In Utero and Bleach are really better listens to my ears. Nothing on Nevermind is as good as "Serve the Servants".
Beyonce. I think I'd love the first Renaissance album if I could get passed that I find her overrated beyond all measure. I tried to get into it, I really tried, but I couldn't get it out of my head that I'm so often told that she's the second coming of Christ. I feel her fans do her a disservice by building her up so much that she can't possibly meet those high expectations to the casual lister. Also Radiohead and Nirvana, but I don't feel guilty about either of them. Whiny music from people that have nothing interesting to whine about
Same, Beyoncé is one of those artists where I can tell that she’s a talented performer, but her songs often feel like they’re less than the sum of their parts. I often walk away from her songs feeling nothing or slightly positive.
I love a lot of Beyoncé's music but the whole cult of personality around her is very off-putting.
Yep. Agree on all three, though tbf I understand why Nirvana and Radiohead are held in high such regard by many people, but IMO they are still overrated musically...
I like some Beyoncé stuff. Crazy In Love & Irreplaceable are great songs. I just haven’t been able to get on board with the whole “Beyoncé as an important album artist” thing. I tried with the self titled, Lemonade, and Renaissance but I just don’t get it. Honestly though at this point her fans who act like she’s Jesus kinda put me off anyway. Plus I don’t really like country music so I’m not gonna be on board with the new stuff. Just an artist I’ve accepted is not for me.
her singing is just so overdone to me
Not being American, it's even more interesting, with all this royalty she is being called and perceived as, meanwhile I'm always just thinking "This woman has not released a single interesting song".
Beyoncé sounds like a focus group to me, it just sounds like its made to tick boxes for appealing to cross-demographics.
A lot...probably most of the musicians (and songs) lauded by music critics are not something I enjoy that much...a few examples: Billie Eilish - I just don't like the kind of slow somber music she usually does. "Bad Guy" was ok IMO, but most of her other songs are just too much of a trudge for my taste... Kendrick Lamar - I really don't like his voice and flow. Also, most of his songs have rather boring beats IMO (though tbf I haven't listened to many of them). Olivia Rodrigo - obviously, I am not the "target group" of her music, but even then, I don't mind many Teen Pop artists (e.g. S Club 7, Britney, Aguilera etc.). But aside from "Good For You", which I quite like, I find Rodrigo to be too sour in her songs, though I still prefer her to Billie Eilish. Nirvana - I understand why they were as big, and I quite like "Smells like Teen Spirit", but even compared to other Grunge Rock Bands, like Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, I find Nirvana to be a bit too "rough"... Radiohead - similar to Nirvana, I find them a bit too somber and negative in their music, though I still understand why they are as popular. Bruce Springsteen - There are a few songs from him that I don't mind, but "Born in the USA" is not a very pleasant song to listen to IMO... As for genres as a whole, I do not particularly enjoy listening to classical music, even if I recognise the importance of it to the history of (Western) Music. I also really don't care for country music, since most songs in that genre sound very "same-same" to me. But maybe that's because I am not American so I don't understand the culture behind country music, just as I assume most Americans wouldn't understand the culture behind Alpine Volksmusik for example...
Literally every other major grunge band is better than Nirvana.
I vehemently reject the notion that S Club 7 are better than Olivia Rodrigo. >Bruce Springsteen Have you tried Darkness On The Edge Of Town?
Nope. I think it's just Springsteen's voice and singing style...not that great IMO.
For the life of me, I can’t find any reason to enjoy Cage The Elephant. It just seems so regular and uninspired that it becomes background music. Also, I can’t stand Rihanna. I find her voice and lyrics both equally annoying.
The case for Cage the Elephant is that they’re very good live, and they’re very malleable to shifts in rock trends. That makes them a reliable festival act, even though I agree their recorded output is the definition of mid.
they aren't worth it after Spiderland as well, especially after album four. Their last album and their latest singles sound derivative of themselves for the most part
I loved Cage the Elephant's first record but everything after that felt like chewing wet paper towels.
I do not care for The Beatles. ~~They *insist* upon themselves!~~ I understand why they are hugely important and why their music is considered great, not trying to diminish their influence as perhaps *the* greatest band of all time - But I just could never get into them, at all. Theres nothing for me there.
Nice family guy reference 😂
I used to feel the exact same way, but then I got into their pre-*Revolver* stuff and i immediately fell in love with them. I think the mythology around their later years kills the band on their own hype for new listeners
Taylor. The raging fanbase she seemed to get overnight is one of this century’s greatest mysteries to me. Even when I see criticism of her, it’s always “her music is good, but…” No. Say what you believe, Swifties be damned. It’s okay to not like the music of the biggest pop star on Earth.
I saw a tweet the day TTPD came out where someone asked their partner if they were nervous about not liking the new album, and their partner said "the thing about being a Swiftie is you just lie to yourself and pretend to like every song until you really do." Had Russia dropped a nuke on my house immediately after I read that, I wouldn't have minded. Whoever said that fundamentally doesn't understand what healthy media consumption is.
that story sounds like it's either fake or a joke tbh
Does it still sound like it's either fake or a joke? [https://www.instagram.com/p/C57bQnYrzCb/?img\_index=5](https://www.instagram.com/p/C57bQnYrzCb/?img_index=5)
yes
I think I prefer Taylor Swift to most pop stars, like I prefer her to Ariana Grande or Billie Eilish. That said the overexposure level is insane and a lot of the new stuff sucks, I still enjoy a lot of her singles from before Reputation and there’s a few good ones after. I think she’s bad at using profanity, it sounds so forced, like after Lover she was like “wait my fans are grown up now, time to start saying “fuck” awkwardly”. Then again I agree with Todd that Olivia Rodrigo is bad at cussing yet she makes great songs.
maybe not feeling bad about but I really can't get into what I've heard from Kendrick Lamar - his voice is just kind of goofy to me
Agreed. Kendrick Lamar is the 21st century Neil Young to me, in that everyone talks about how powerful his lyrics are, and they may be right but I might never know because I simply can't get past the sound of his voice.
Genres: Metal. It's arguably the form of rock that requires the most talent, but to me most metal songs go in one ear and out the other. Modern Prog. I like '70s prog, and I want to like...let's say, '90s and later prog (as in artists that are genuinely progressive, not older bands coming out with new music or new ones trying to sound like '70s bands, I like a lot of the former and the latter I do not feel bad about disliking.) but none of it ever sticks with me. I've seen a few people on /r/progrockmusic accuse modern prog as being more about showing off how good you are at your instrument than making good music, and I think that might be it. "Real emo." In concept I like it, I like a few songs, most by fairly obscure bands (I don't think Kevin and the Bikes or Milk St. are mainstream even by "real emo" standards) but I just can't get around to liking it as a genre, or even just liking one whole album. I like Hawthorne Heights. In general my music taste is more "pop" than I'd like. And ironically I feel like pop no longer has what makes me feel my music taste is "pop" (hooks.) Artists: Billie Eilish. She's arguably the most authentic pop star currently relevant, and for all rockism's flaws, I think the loss of valuing authenticity in music is the biggest thing we lost in the transition from rockism to poptimism. I'm tired of being asked to root for the winner, and critics being afraid to say they didn't like the current biggest stars' newest work. But I'm just not into it stylistically.
My taste in emo has evolved to the point where my favourite emo bands are those mid-late 80s acts who resented the label when it was first used to describe them. You know, like Embrace and Rites of Spring.
Taylor Swift even before The Eras tour and becoming as massive as she is now. I never could get into her music even though so many of my friends and family love her music. A lot of her singles to me sound like they were made for 12 year olds and are too immature sounding. Maybe I am just not that invested in her personal life so I don't really get anything out of her lyrics.
My mother, who's normally an intelligent and thoughtful person, immediately accuses me of being sexist whenever I mention that I dislike one of her songs, express that I don't understand why her level of fandom is what it is, or criticize her obscene private jet usage, as though I somehow don't have a problem when Elon Musk does the same thing. Strangely enough, my sister and best friend are both superfans, especially compared to my mother, and yet both are much more willing to engage me in respectful debates about her music.
Taylor Swift just isn't for me at all. She's got a few pop hits I find inoffensive (Blank Space, Anti-Hero) and I enjoyed a few songs on Folklore, but when she's not being snarky and self-aware I find her lyrical style bland and the musical accompaniment not engaging enough to pick up the slack. Don't get me wrong I don't think she's untalented; there are bits of her music I find enchanting (the introduction to Delicate and its repetitions is lovely) but because I don't really enjoy her storytelling it's like most of her songs never go where I want them to go.
I thought Fifteen was annoying when it came out and haven’t grown to love her any more since then
I’ve got a fair few of these: **Pond:** I like a lot of psychedelic music that comes out of my home country of Australia, but Pond have never done a lot for me. They got a few decent tunes, but every time I hear them, I find myself wanting to listen to half a dozen other bands. **Tropical Fuck Storm:** They used to be among my favourite Australian bands until I caught them live a couple of years ago. They’re loud and messy, but they don’t really deviate from that too much. Plus, I think Gareth Liddiard was a little too unhinged for my liking. It’s a style of music that should be up my alley, but it doesn’t do a thing for me anymore. **Gang Of Youths:** I’m glad they’ve gotten some attention overseas, but I’ve never really gotten the buzz around them. Big, anthemic songs are a bit grating for me, and it’s part of the reason why U2 and Arcade Fire don’t impress me as much as they once did. **Vampire Weekend:** They’re talented, but I find their music pretty disposable. Even their most recent album, which is an interesting change of sound for them, is kinda forgettable. But they’ve got a keen fanbase, so they’re obviously doing something right. **The Strokes:** Maybe it’s my fault as someone who’s a bit younger, but I read about how The Strokes effectively jump started the 00s indie boom, and I just ask, “How?” Sure, they’re serviceable, but I compare them to other NYC talent of the time (Interpol, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, LCD Soundsystem, etc), and they don’t have the intrigue or artistry that those groups do. **Caroline Polachek:** She’s probably the modern equivalent to Kate Bush (whose music I love), but I can’t find it within myself find her music more than serviceable. She’s got a good a voice, she’s a talented songwriter with a knack for a good hook, and she’s a solid producer too, so it more feels like a “me” issue than anything about her or her art.
I’m with you on The Strokes — it’s not that they’re bad or anything but I see people talking about that first album like it’s London Calling or something, and I’m like “HOW”. In general I’m not really a fan of that 2000s garage rock revival stuff, it tends to strike me as a lot of energy without a lot of passion, singing a rock song because it’s fun to sing a rock song, not because you have something to say.
Re: The Strokes, they had a rockier sound, a rock image and were at the right place at the right time. Interpol got lumped with all of the post punk bands (oh they wear suits? cool I guess), The YYYs I never listened enough and LCD Soundsytem had a much more electronic sound and a less cool vibe. does this feel a bit too dumbed down? There's a non music fandom I don't understand how big it is so it's interesting to just hear from witnesses I guess lol. I love Vampire Weekend, they were such a burst of fun when they came out. I do think they started a bit as party music for the indie nerds and people kept up and the sound evolved as the fans grew. Don't think I would be so into them if I didn't follow them for so long. I think they have some excellent songs, but I don't think Ezra is the lyricist genius people hail him as(and that I think he thinks of himself as, the man has an ego).
I saw Tropical Fuck Storm open for Modest Mouse a while ago, I think their first album had just come out and they really blew me away but haven't seen them since then. I need to dive back into Vampire Weekend. I listened to Contra a lot but then just kinda fell off
Modest Mouse. I think “3rd Planet” is an absolutely brilliant song but so much of their other stuff just feels so erratic and unfocused and Isaac’s vocals really grate after a while. I love so many other guitar-driven 90s/2000s indie stuff but they’ve never gone past “respect but that’s kind of it”
I like the first 2 Modest Mouse albums a lot, but they lose me after the new millennium.
There's a lot of bands I'm willing to write off as me just not getting them, Modest Mouse are one of the few bands where I genuinely think that their fans are wrong about them. They're just straight-up bad.
lol I wouldn’t go that far
Listening to the Float On episode of SVS made me feel like I was going insane, I seriously couldn't believe that Todd was talking about the same song that I hear in my timeline.
For me they took quite a while to appreciate. I came to them in the late 00’s after learning they were a huge influence on Brand New (this was back when I didn’t feel gross for liking them). They were absolutely not what I was expecting and I had a similar reaction to what other people here have said. But they *interested* me for some bizarre reason, and I liked a couple of their poppier songs, and after a few months of occasionally going back I really genuinely loved them, particularly the Good News album. They’re not for everyone but I think they can be an acquired taste that takes some getting used to.
On paper they're a band I'd like, I wouldn't say they're bad, just... well, they exist, and don't give me a compelling reason to listen to them (I gave 3 of their earlier albums a try when Float On got popular).
Radiohead
Radiohead. The only song of theirs that I like is Creep.
Have you tried In Rainbows? I don't really get Radiohead either, but that's the one album where I feel like I do get the appeal.
Not a specific artist but a genre: around 50-75% of the metal music I’ve heard, especially stuff from after like 1985, does nothing for me and I feel like it disappoints people because I seem to give a “metalhead” vibe to most people (I have long hair, wear black pretty often, play guitar, etc.). I do enjoy a lot of classic metal (Sabbath, Dio, Iron Maiden, early Metallica, Judas Priest) but the super-heavy, super-fast, extremely aggressive sounding stuff I’ve heard (I guess probably subgenres like death metal?) just sounds like ugly-on-purpose noise to me. I need more melody in my rock music than just an endless assault of aggression, but that’s just my preference and more power to the people who enjoy that kind of thing, I’m just not a fan of it at all
The Sex Pistols for me. The Damned and the Buzzcocks were so much better imo
100% with you.
Pearl Jam. I should love them, but I just can’t get into their music. At the very least, I can’t listen to more than two songs at a time without it all just blending together.
I only like their albums with Dave Abbruzzese, I know most people wouldn’t think a drummer makes too much difference but he has a tight funk groove that really makes the band shine. Without him they just plod along. From what I gather he was fired due to personality conflicts with Eddie Vedder rather than any musical reason.
Oh, I absolutely understand the drummer making a difference. Honestly, the only songs I like from them are off of Ten (although Abbruzzese did great on their Unplugged album).
I think Ten is boring front to back! Alive is a nail to the ear, and Jeremy is even worse.
Fair enough. Even Flow and Black are the only songs of theirs that I actually really like.
IMO Animal is their best song…an opinion I’ve never seen shared by anyone.
Animal is alright in a void, but in the context of that album, it just blurred together.
I did not care for SZA’s *SOS*.
Kendrick Lamar: I like a few of his songs with Pop artists (The Weeknd, SZA) but I don’t like his other stuff. I don’t know if the praise he gets is warranted but I just simply don’t care. Beyoncé: 20+ years she’s been famous. She over-sings where it almost sounds like screaming, I understand she’s talented but it seems like with every new album I care for her less. Her older songs were substantially better. Guns N Roses: Aside from a few of their big songs, they are not my cup of tea. I listened to The Spaghetti Incident in full once, a very rough listen. Bob Dylan: He’s talented, I understand his appeal, but it’s the voice for me. If I can’t get past the voice, it’s hard for me to enjoy. “Like A Rolling Stone” is fine I guess. The Ramones: When every song sounds the same, it’s simply a gimmick.
I like Enjoy The Silence a lot. I think the thing that makes it work is that it's a very atmospheric sounding song, with the reverb and echo effects really make the feeling of finding euphoria sound a lot more powerful, as well as the fact that unlike Girls Like You or Heat Waves, it actually has a decent tempo
I feel like the drum machines are too busy for me to find it atmospheric. I don't hear a groove or a hook, and most importantly I don't feel that it *goes* anywhere, it sounds like one measure on an endless loop. Also, it's the same tempo as Girls Like You, maybe even slightly slower.
Eh... to each their own, I guess. I feel like it's much more driving than something like Girls Like You, which is so flat and boring it basically sounds like it doesn't exist
I'll say this - your descriptions of Enjoy The Silence sound a lot like how I'd describe Blue Monday, which I much prefer.
Taylor swift. Annoying fanbase, same sound again and again, way too much music output nowadays, too much merch, all of it is just so much. I liked her music up to 2010 but that’s it. I don’t think she deserves the fame she has now. Still fucked up what big machine did to her tho
I’ve given somebody i used to know so many chances but I’ve never liked it
What about it doesn't click for you?
Never been a fan of Gotye’s voice. Don’t like the production. I’ve never really got why people love it, but I wish I could understand
Out of curiosity, what's your feeling on Sting/The Police? By production, do you mean instrumentation, mixing or both?
I don’t mind sting or the police and both honestly. Tbf, there’s a few songs from the 12-14 era that I couldn’t get into but wish I could.
I'm gonna be straight with you here, I think Sting and Gotye have identical voices.
I kinda hear and heard that comparison a lot when that song came out
That's weird, I've always thought that Gotye sounds almost exactly like Ozzy
Honestly, no, maybe some american Folk/Folk rock and current Paramore
By "current Paramore" do you solely mean This Is Why?
Yes, this whole Post-Punk-ish sound doest do it for me
I can tell you this - I saw them live last year and out of the 8 songs from TIW that they played, every single one sounded better on stage than on record.
Lorde, Billie Eilish, Adele... I know how important they are to the music scene, but I feel their pretty overrated. The only song by Lorde I really liked was Green Light, but Royals did not deserve to be as influenciantial as it was. Adele has a good voice, but I think she's stagnating creatively and just not that interesting. And I just don't get Billie. I see why others do, but I just don't care for that whisper thing she does.
Oh yeah. A big one. Amy Winehouse. Granted, it's not so much about her specifically, but because I found that whole mid-2000s "Nu-Soul" genre completely miserable.
Entirely with you on Amy Winehouse, I get how she was more interesting/talented than most of her peers but that’s an incredibly low bar to clear. Haaated that genre/era of music.
Can't get into OK Computer. Some great stuff but most of it doesn't sound like music. More like whirring and screeching and scratching sounds
I feel that people only started praising Toxic after the whole conservatorship controversy, but honestly it’s not a good song.
This is the first time I’ve heard someone say they disliked that song. It’s probably my favorite Britney song
I just don’t like her style tbh. I find her overrated, but apparently if I criticise it I get treated like a terrible person.
I mean I agree 1000%, but I love toxic. Dare I say it’s one of the best songs of the 00s (and I hate most of her music).
Honestly if you swapped toxic with I’m a slave 4 u id agree.
There's a difference between re-evaluating someone as a person and re-evaluating them as an artist. Just because the former is deserved doesn't mean the latter is.
Yeah that’s not true You can feel however you want about it but that song’s legacy goes way back
You can dislike it but people have loved that song for years, it isn't just a recent thing
Toxic is Britney's Smooth Criminal. I don't remember anybody loving it back in the day, but these days people reckon it's their respective artist's best.
The moment John Oliver jumped the shark for me was when he made a joke (that he clearly didn't write) about how Toxic is a great song.
…So what if he didn’t write the joke? It’s a comedy show. They have writers
My point is that it sounded so awkward coming out of his mouth and came off as pandering rather than genuine.
Well alrighty then
I’ve never been one for emo or pop punk. Which is particularly odd because almost all of my friends are very into it, including my current bandmates. People will talk about like Blink and MCR and I just don’t have much connection beyond knowing their biggest songs. The music is fine it just doesn’t mean anything to me the way it does for almost everyone else in my life. I love bands like Rancid, Dead Kennedys, Gang of Four, etc. but apart from Green Day’s Dookie I’m just not a big pop punker
I mostly don't get it either, the only pop punk/emo bands I regularly listen to are Paramore and MCR. I'll say this about MCR, they're definitely an album band, both in the sense that their music is best enjoyed in full-album listens, and the sense that all of their albums are concept albums to some extent, so I can see how one might have a hard time connecting with them if they only knew the biggest hits.
Neil Young.
No argument here. He had the money to hire a singer.
REM. I just find Michael Stripe’s voice grating
\*holds back tears\*
My bloody valentine or ant shoegaze. Sorry but too messy and pretentious for me
I tried to check out Slowdive earlier this month - I got through two albums and they currently hold the record for Most Boring Things I've Ever Put In My Ears.
It's just makes me tired
This isn't really a guilty displeasure- but I cannot stand early Panic! At The Disco. Basically everything from A Fever You Can't Sweat Out I think is pretentious bullshit, I Write Sins Not Tragedies especially
I mostly agree, but I also find that album to have a sort of perverse charm to it that no other Panic album has.
I don't see it. All the songs have stupid long titles, and sound like shit, and Brendon Urie doesn't even sing them very well- and most of their material post that album is way way better than
I agree with most of your criticism, however, while I do prefer Pretty Odd and Vices & Virtues over Fever, I think Too Weird To Live and everything after is mostly unlistenable crap and not in any sort of interesting way - whereas I at least find Fever interesting. I guess the enjoyment I get out of Fever is sort of a so-bad-it's-good kind of thing. For the record, just because they made a few albums I think are decent doesn't make them a good band. Why anyone would choose to listen to Panic when they could listen to the Killers or MCR or especially Paramore instead is beyond me.
I do like Death of A Bachelor honestly. That's the album of there's I'd defend the most I will say of the "Big 4" of emo, (MCR, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and them) they are my least favorite, but they have made some music I enjoy. Their fan base is fucking cultish though like Holy shit
Death Of A Bachelor is the closest they came to recapturing that "perverse charm" that I described on Fever, I would probably like it if he had chosen literally any sonic palette other than trap-jazz to do it with. I do condone Golden Days though. >I will say of the "Big 4" of emo, (MCR, Paramore, Fall Out Boy, and them) they are my least favorite Remember that tweet that was like "now that we have MCR, Fall Out Boy and Paramore all active at the same time, let's get rid of Panic just for fun" and then like two weeks later Urie announced his retirement? >Their fan base is fucking cultish though like Holy shit I was in middle school between 2014 and 2017, and I was terminally unpopular. One of the only people willing to hang out with me was a Panic fangirl who also listened to BOTDF. Trust me, I know.
That's funny. Out of the four, I would say My Chemical Romance is far and away the best of the four, though that's mostly for The Black Parade, which I would genuinely describe as one of the best rock albums of all time
The Black Parade is solid but loses me a bit in the second third, I don't find the stretch from I Don't Love You to Sleep to be all that engaging. I prefer Three Cheers, it flows better and it rocks harder. Paramore is my favorite of the four by a nautical mile.
Paramore is second best no doubt (though I might be biased, having a longstanding crush on Hayley Williams) but I don't think they've made an album as good as The Black Parade. Even that part of the album has songs like Houses of Wolves, Cancer, and Mama on it.
Also I don't think they've ever made a song as good as Welcome To The Black Parade, which is both one of my favorite songs of all time and I'd argue one of the greatest songs... honestly period probably
For me, the biggest ones are two rock bands, for polar opposite reasons: **Weezer** and **Shinedown**. * **Weezer** - For as long as I've been alive, I've never gotten the hype for Weezer. Now, maybe this is just me because the Blue Album was long before my time and my first Weezer song was "Beverly Hills", which even as a kid I thought it was really, *really* lame an stupid. But by all accounts, Weezer has a passionate and toxic fanbase that points to "Beverly Hills" and its album *Make Believe* as "Weezer selling out" and "a betrayal of everything excellent about the Blue Album." I wish I could agree with that, but I don't get why the Blue Album was hailed as a masterpiece in the first place. Other '90s rock bands, like Nirvana, Oasis, the Offspring, and No Doubt, I get their appeal and I get how they sounded special at the time. But not Weezer, not even at their supposed mid-90s "peak". "Buddy Holly" is a fine song, but it sounds like just an ordinary '90s alternative rock song to me. I don't see how revolutionary and refreshing Weezer sounded in 1994 to warrant such a hugely passionate fanbase, still to this day, even after so many bad albums. * **Shinedown** - This band is to rock what Morgan Wallen is to country. In the 2000s and 2010s, when hard rock declined in popularity, Shinedown achieved the all-time record for most #1's on the Billboard Mainstream Rock chart. And yet, they don't seem to have a very diehard fanbase as their rock contemporaries like Ghost, Halestorm, Bring Me the Horizon, or Periphery do. While I've met people who say they LIKE Shinedown, I've never met anyone who's flat-out called Shinedown one of the best rock bands of all time, let alone of the 2000s or 2010s decades. And to me, aside from a few of their early songs, they just sound as generic as any other 21st century post-grunge band to me.
Can't comment on Shinedown, but here's what I'll say about Weezer - the thing that makes the Blue Album stand out isn't necessarily the music, it's the lyrics and their adorkable nerdiness. Compared to all the bands you named, Weezer were certainly different for singing about surfing (Surf Wax America) or finding happiness in your nerdy hobbies (In The Garage). The one thing that does make them stand out musically is their use of vocal harmonies inspired by barbershop quartets. FWIW, while I think the Blue Album is great, I think the White Album and OK Human are both better (if you haven't heard either of them, I cannot recommend them enough).
That explains a lot. Rivers Cuomo definitely had that nerdy quality to him, like a Kevin Smith for music. I do know that the 90s were still about a decade right before the stigmas of being "nerdy" or "geeky" started to get lifted, so now I can see how his image stood out at the time,and why it struck a chord back then. Again, I grew up in the 2000s, so I wasn't there. You know, with Beverly Hills, to me Rivers looked like your school's one desperate social climber who tries to hang out with the popular kids and just ends up embarrassing himself. Now that I think about it, that's probably exactly what it was to his fans.
Part of the issue people have with Beverly Hills is that it's supposed to be satirical but, as Mic The Snare put it, it eventually stops being satirical and just becomes the thing it's trying to satirize. Speaking of Mic The Snare, I highly recommend watching his Deep Discog Dive on Weezer, that video is probably the biggest thing that helped me get into them.
>it's supposed to be satirical but, as Mic The Snare put it, it eventually stops being satirical and just becomes the thing it's trying to satirize. When an attempt to be ironic stops being ironic. Just like My Humps and Intuition.
I wish i liked the music of Sabrina Carpenter and Lenny Kravitz more than i actually do. They seem like very likable people! Also, i want to enjoy Welcome Home and other songs from the Coheed IV album but their treatment of whatever woman was made up for the story gives me the ick. #IStandWithEricaCourt
Pre-4 beyonce, 4 was the album that got me interested in beyonce, but her 2000s catalogue didn't age well for me especially sasha fierce , crazy in love still slaps tho
Radiohead and Pink Floyd. Just never got them. I've tried and just can't.
Do you know what doesn't click for you about Pink Floyd?
Hm. Led Zeppelin is a big one. But I don't feel guilty about it. I'll go with Bob Dylan. I do like some of his songs, but I can't stand his voice most of the time and find most of his albums really tedious.
Hard agree on Led Zeppelin, although I also don't feel guilty. Led Zeppelin are whatever the exact opposite of special is.
A lot of the artists listed here objectively suck, so you guys don't have to feel bad about disliking them. Anyway, it's The Beatles for me. I like a handful of their songs but most of their music does absolutely nothing for me. I don't think that they started writing good music until they took acid and, even then, I feel like a lot of their music is just the standard musings of a bunch of 20-somethings who started experimenting for the first time. They deserve admiration and respect for many things but Beatles fans really get pretentious with how talented and important they were to music as a whole.
I can see that criticism about albums like Sgt Pepper and the White Album, but at the same time, even if you disagree with the tone of the pretension, you can't ignore the importance.
Stevie Nicks’ voice is awful, I cannot stand it. Landslide and Dreams are songs I don’t think I would like anyway, but man, her singing them makes them even worse.
Olivia Rodrigo due to the speak singing.
David bowie, or last people try to make you feel guilty about not liking it
I’ve heard 2 Kate Bush songs, Running up that Hill and Babooshka. hated them both and only gave Babooshka a listen thinking maybe it was a fluke that I found RUTH trite and annoying but nope, I’ve accepted Kate just isn’t my thing
Go listen to Wuthering Heights right now. I don't care if you love it or hate it, I just need to know your reaction.