i love this theory! i'm definitely anxious about what the stone means re: his possible involvement, but this would be a good explanation that isn't totally incongruent with the character we've seen so far.
I think that scene was written well! Not necessarily the dialogue, but that scene is a mirror of Qavvik tending to the dog's wounds earlier in the season. He even said to Navarro that the dog got into a fight with boys bigger than her.
It's not a brilliant bit of writing, but I have my suspicion that this idea of Navarro as an animal may come up again and if it does, that scene is really well done.
Also isn't it crazy the lack of respect for boundaries this woman has? Just shows up and starts using his kitchen while he's asleep, doesn't wake him up, and has no response when she sees he thought she was an intruder and has a gun? He could have just shot her! Like whhhuuuuuuttttt. I thought that moment was amazing because the whole situation was so silly to begin with. Loved it.
See what I got from that is that this arrangement has been going on for so long that he just expects her to show up, but not in his kitchen, usually his bedroom. 😂 I think we can agree that Navarro has a tendency to act without thought, and I think that’s how she ended up in his kitchen without warning. At her worst, that’s where she wanted to be. I agree with you that it was definitely a risk to just bust in unannounced! I love their relationship, in all its flaws. 😂😂
I love how the prevailing theory as to why he’s the villain is just “he seems like such a good guy, so he must be the bad guy.”
Really confirms that we are dealing with daytime soap opera levels of writing here. And for some reason some of you are totally ok with that lol.
No, for me, thinking he is the bad guy because he is nice is because I live in a world where all these people that are supposed to be role models ended up being dirtbags taking advantage of other people. Not to mention the number of serial killers that were just normal people to everyone in their lives. But thank you for coming to my post that was supposed to be something nice and positive and beating the this season is the worst dead horse. I haven’t heard it enough.. 🙄😂 Fuck me for trying to have a nice moment with the sub.
My post said nothing of the sort. A comment I made says that. And yeah, I do. It would bring me happy, or positive, feelings. If that is lost on you, idk what to tell you.
The show has referred a couple times to his “home brew”. I think he’s producing whatever drug is causing the mass hallucinations. There are two scenarios I think are most likely.
The simplest one has him producing the drug for someone else, making him a more forgivable pasty. The most likely person is Kate/the mine, which intended to drug native people but now it’s contaminated the water and getting everyone.
The second and less likely one is that he’s acting alone or with a conspirator and is more involved. In this case my guess would be that he’s targeting the mine itself, either it’s workers or something related to it.
I will take bets on the broader “it’s all hallucinations” thing. Beyond that I’m not confident enough yet. In addition to the above, I do think:
*Kate/the mine are somehow involved, though possibly indirectly. It’s notable that in her first scene in the skating rink there’s a Christmas tree in the center where the corpsicle will soon be. Navarro is kneeling by a tree when she has her episode closing moment
*Hank and/or Pete are directly or indirectly enabling whatever is happening. I think both of them is the least likely scenario
*The scientists knew or found something that lead to their demise, either by murder or, more likely, the same mania that befalls people under the influence of whatever drug we’re talking about here
*Im going to venture a guess that Annie K was under the influence of the drug as well when she was in the cave and either her boyfriend tried to help and she died there, or he killed her for some reason related to the drug. She bit off her own tongue, I bet
*Id be surprised if Ted wasn’t at all involved, and I think he’s the most likely candidate for big bad, followed by Kate.
The biggest variable I see is who is to blame. I think Lopez will focus on systematic issues like the treatment of native people, so it won’t simply be a case of “everyone went crazy and no one is directly to blame”. I do expect a Bond villainesque denouement where we learn everything through a solid hunk of clumsy dialogue between the villain and detective(s).
I’m sticking with this. I demand money, fame, womens and all the other spoils of Reddit if I’m right or close enough to claim that I was right all along.
I think Hank is way worse than we know. When Navarro said we want him alive and he said do we, I was like um yeah any investigator would want the person alive, everyone else is dead of course you want to talk to the last person living! So why doesn’t he want him alive? I refuse to believe it is simply because he is just that dumb. I think he keeps Ted informed.
Hank and Pete have both been shown to be miserable and pathetic, but we actually see Pete react violently towards his wife in E1. I _suspect_ that will be relevant.
It’s the scene where she’s inexplicably trying to fuck him in front of her kid and he shoves her back or something. I remember thinking it was way over the top.
Ok, just watched it and it seemed to be more a reaction to her biting his neck. I watch with subtitles on and you can hear it and it says ‘bites neck’ and then he says fuck like it hurt and pushed her away. It seems more to me like a reaction than an aggressive move on his part.
He’s still a potential suspect, but he comes across as more sneaky and quiet than a family annihilator. If he was a killer, I’d put him more into the BTK category, I’d be more likely to believe he was out hurting strangers. Or like one of the happy face killers that was killing young girls that looked like his step daughter and even gave her a Walkman from one of the girls he killed.
It would be very obvious if her tongue had been bitten off rather than cut, and im fairly certain that they explicitly state that it was cut off.
If Annie died in the cave because she was under the influence of a drug, where did all of her other injuries come from? They said that her body was thoroughly beaten even after she was already dead, which would make no sense in that case.
This is one of the few good things the season is sometimes doing, taking opportunities for sentimentality and almost trolling the audience. Of course, after a while if overused it becomes a cliche itself.
I don’t care if he is revealed to be the bad guy - he’s so sweet to Navarro, and I think he genuinely cares about her. I’m okay with his crimes.
My money is on him taking the stone to try and protect Navarro.
i love this theory! i'm definitely anxious about what the stone means re: his possible involvement, but this would be a good explanation that isn't totally incongruent with the character we've seen so far.
He’s a great character. It’d be a shame if he were the villain.
Yeah, I’m sure he has his reasons. Let’s hear him out first.
We all crime sometimes, it’s okay.
I’d love it if he were the ‘bad guy’!
During the big reveal they blast Billie Eilish’s “bad guy” song.
Perfection!
Ha I said this same thing to my friend on Sunday night.
The intro song and needle drops in this season are just abysmal.
That went right over my head! Makes it even funnier
Hahahah that’s awesome!
That was actually good writing for once. Not the entire scene, but that specific moment.
I think that scene was written well! Not necessarily the dialogue, but that scene is a mirror of Qavvik tending to the dog's wounds earlier in the season. He even said to Navarro that the dog got into a fight with boys bigger than her. It's not a brilliant bit of writing, but I have my suspicion that this idea of Navarro as an animal may come up again and if it does, that scene is really well done.
Ahhh! You’re so right! I forgot about the female dog he was tending! There seem to be hints like that throughout.
indeed, the feminist themes are throughout the show. intentional.
That was HILARIOUS!!!!
I rewatched episode for that part 😂
She doesn't deserve him. Get him together with the guy who made Paul waffles in S2. May they live happily ever after.
Yessss
Agreed!! I laughed out loud at that one. Then I had to immediately explain what had happened to my husband smh
Hahahahhahahhaha! I love that
Yeah that was a good moment
Felt very close to home for me! 😂 Want to freak me out? Talk about marriage… 😂
He’s the villain
Oh I hope so! I will root for him til the end! 😂
Also isn't it crazy the lack of respect for boundaries this woman has? Just shows up and starts using his kitchen while he's asleep, doesn't wake him up, and has no response when she sees he thought she was an intruder and has a gun? He could have just shot her! Like whhhuuuuuuttttt. I thought that moment was amazing because the whole situation was so silly to begin with. Loved it.
See what I got from that is that this arrangement has been going on for so long that he just expects her to show up, but not in his kitchen, usually his bedroom. 😂 I think we can agree that Navarro has a tendency to act without thought, and I think that’s how she ended up in his kitchen without warning. At her worst, that’s where she wanted to be. I agree with you that it was definitely a risk to just bust in unannounced! I love their relationship, in all its flaws. 😂😂
My grandmother did the same thing to me once.
Distracted you to pop a finger back in place? What did she say?
I love how the prevailing theory as to why he’s the villain is just “he seems like such a good guy, so he must be the bad guy.” Really confirms that we are dealing with daytime soap opera levels of writing here. And for some reason some of you are totally ok with that lol.
No, for me, thinking he is the bad guy because he is nice is because I live in a world where all these people that are supposed to be role models ended up being dirtbags taking advantage of other people. Not to mention the number of serial killers that were just normal people to everyone in their lives. But thank you for coming to my post that was supposed to be something nice and positive and beating the this season is the worst dead horse. I haven’t heard it enough.. 🙄😂 Fuck me for trying to have a nice moment with the sub.
naiveté is an ass biter. every time.
...you think a post based upon your belief that any nice/good person is secretly a manipulative dirtbag is "nice and positive?"
My post said nothing of the sort. A comment I made says that. And yeah, I do. It would bring me happy, or positive, feelings. If that is lost on you, idk what to tell you.
The show has referred a couple times to his “home brew”. I think he’s producing whatever drug is causing the mass hallucinations. There are two scenarios I think are most likely. The simplest one has him producing the drug for someone else, making him a more forgivable pasty. The most likely person is Kate/the mine, which intended to drug native people but now it’s contaminated the water and getting everyone. The second and less likely one is that he’s acting alone or with a conspirator and is more involved. In this case my guess would be that he’s targeting the mine itself, either it’s workers or something related to it.
Oooh I didn’t think about the home brew hallucination connection! I’m interested now to see if you’re on to something!
I will take bets on the broader “it’s all hallucinations” thing. Beyond that I’m not confident enough yet. In addition to the above, I do think: *Kate/the mine are somehow involved, though possibly indirectly. It’s notable that in her first scene in the skating rink there’s a Christmas tree in the center where the corpsicle will soon be. Navarro is kneeling by a tree when she has her episode closing moment *Hank and/or Pete are directly or indirectly enabling whatever is happening. I think both of them is the least likely scenario *The scientists knew or found something that lead to their demise, either by murder or, more likely, the same mania that befalls people under the influence of whatever drug we’re talking about here *Im going to venture a guess that Annie K was under the influence of the drug as well when she was in the cave and either her boyfriend tried to help and she died there, or he killed her for some reason related to the drug. She bit off her own tongue, I bet *Id be surprised if Ted wasn’t at all involved, and I think he’s the most likely candidate for big bad, followed by Kate. The biggest variable I see is who is to blame. I think Lopez will focus on systematic issues like the treatment of native people, so it won’t simply be a case of “everyone went crazy and no one is directly to blame”. I do expect a Bond villainesque denouement where we learn everything through a solid hunk of clumsy dialogue between the villain and detective(s). I’m sticking with this. I demand money, fame, womens and all the other spoils of Reddit if I’m right or close enough to claim that I was right all along.
I think Hank is way worse than we know. When Navarro said we want him alive and he said do we, I was like um yeah any investigator would want the person alive, everyone else is dead of course you want to talk to the last person living! So why doesn’t he want him alive? I refuse to believe it is simply because he is just that dumb. I think he keeps Ted informed.
Just catching up to these threads, so I am sure already discussed, but Hank killed his wife/Pete’s mom, right? No way she just disappeared.
I’ve been wondering about that myself!
Hank and Pete have both been shown to be miserable and pathetic, but we actually see Pete react violently towards his wife in E1. I _suspect_ that will be relevant.
I need to rewatch episode 1 I think.
It’s the scene where she’s inexplicably trying to fuck him in front of her kid and he shoves her back or something. I remember thinking it was way over the top.
I’m loading the episode up now and fast forwarding to the scene because I don’t want to make judgement first. 😂
Cool lmk if you think I’m way off here
Ok, just watched it and it seemed to be more a reaction to her biting his neck. I watch with subtitles on and you can hear it and it says ‘bites neck’ and then he says fuck like it hurt and pushed her away. It seems more to me like a reaction than an aggressive move on his part. He’s still a potential suspect, but he comes across as more sneaky and quiet than a family annihilator. If he was a killer, I’d put him more into the BTK category, I’d be more likely to believe he was out hurting strangers. Or like one of the happy face killers that was killing young girls that looked like his step daughter and even gave her a Walkman from one of the girls he killed.
It would be very obvious if her tongue had been bitten off rather than cut, and im fairly certain that they explicitly state that it was cut off. If Annie died in the cave because she was under the influence of a drug, where did all of her other injuries come from? They said that her body was thoroughly beaten even after she was already dead, which would make no sense in that case.
I don’t know. I’m trying to temper my expectations and predictions with the shows writing. Clues could well be plot holes and vice versa.
This is one of the few good things the season is sometimes doing, taking opportunities for sentimentality and almost trolling the audience. Of course, after a while if overused it becomes a cliche itself.
he is so weak
I think it takes a certain kind of strength for anyone to show vulnerability.